Gaffer & Gear 183 - Forza 60C

Gaffer & Gear 183 - Forza 60C
In this episode I take a look at the Forza 60C. This remarkable light has Red, Been, Blue, Amber, Lime and Cyan emitters to deliver an expanded color gamut and an extended CCT range with +/- green and surprising good color render scores. The light also has DMX
Index
00:00 Intro
01:05 Pros / Positives
02:12 CCT Mode
03:05 Additional color gamut
04:04 Brightness in color modes
04:49 Optical accessories
05:22 DMX
06:17 Price and what you get
06:41 45 Degree reflector
08:06 How I run this off V-mounts
08:29 XY mode issues
09:22 Projector mount issues
10:26 CCT consistency across beam
12:40 Shadow quality
12:49 60C advantage with projector mounts
13:45 Fresnel
13:52 Brightness results
15:16 2000K
15:38 3200K
16:05 4400K
16:30 5600K
17:05 Closing conclusion

[@meetthegaffer]

Thank you for taking the time. Great first look! The future is not only bright, but colorful🙂

[@LukeCurtis]

I think the team will be in touch to get one of these to you Luke ;-)

[@smalltownsteve4598]

This is an incredible video. So sick of the wanna be influencers who make a 10 minute video and say absolutely nothing helpful at all. It's good to see someone knowledgeable take the time to learn what needs to be learned and not turn it in to complete dribble. Thank you for this video!

Can't wait to see the Review of the aputure 600c and orion 675 rgb point source era has come

[@bbrunorocha]

It will take a while because they are not released yet, but will be awesome to see for sure, especially being two different COB designs !

[@LukeCurtis]

Chuffed hearing your views on RGBLAC this fixture is just the starting point for the future of full spectrum lights from the Nanlite camp

[@gaffergear]

It's a very impressive start

[@NYCgaffer]

Awesome… gonna sell like Hotcakes… I expect this light to be nanlites biggest seller, ordered 3 already. Remarkable value. The first shipment of 200 to hit NY was already sold out.

[@jacobvidios]

Thanks for including a conclusions segment at the end!

[@wildstylephotos6082]

Great review thanks mate I really appreciate the on set image showing them in action

[@NanliteGlobal]

Tks for sharing your opinion with us.😊

[@jamesbridges1107]

Andrew, thank you for this. We’ve got a bit of a wait here in the states, but after this test, I’ll be getting a few and retiring my NILA Varsa’s and Zaila’s. Thanks again.

[@g1981c]

i wanted this type of light for a long time and this seems to be the first one with good performance at a sensible price. thank you for such an exhaustive review as always.

[@PROtogPhotographic]

Hi Andrew, thanks for your invaluable review.

[@gonzalogayoso5555]

at this point , all I have to do is watching the last part. Your are awesome mr.

[@danielllobera]

Yesssss; I’ve been waiting for your review on this. Can’t wait to get a couple of these.

[@lakip1982]

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[@lakip1982]

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[@youthculture523]

Thanks this is super informative

[@curtisc8386]

had to pay extra for the handle and bowen mount adapter for the normal monocolor 60, so pretty nice to see them throw it in this time.

[@gaffergear]

Its surprising good value

[@freednighthawk]

It looks like a few of the Cons you listed could easily be fixed via firmware updates in the future.

[@andrew_maccoll]

So good!!

[@CircuitBoardcokr]

the most affordable RGBACL full spectrum led. I have been searched information about the lighting because RGBACL can generate accurate spectrum which means a camera can get better result with the lighting. thank you for your detailed explanation and useful infos.

[@gaffergear]

I think this is the most incredible light I have received in terms of its cost v what it can do. But the statements of some manufacturers about their RGBALC lights ability to recreate colour render that RGBWW can't is bordering on misleading. (Not Nanlite by the way) Some manufacturers are getting people very confused between colour render and colour gamut. At say 2000K this light would out colour render any current RGBWW light, and by a long way. But at 3200K and 5600K a decent RGBWW light would outperform this in terms of white light colour render. All be it not by enough for me to see it as a big negative for the work I do. Having said that, towards the end of the year I should be reviewing lights that have Deep Red, Red, Amber, Lime, Green, Cyan, Blue and Indigo. So RGBALC v RGBWW isn't the end game.

[@108u9]

@@gaffergear Hi Andrew, would like to hear on take on the different in the tech used for RGB lighting. Perhaps even between brands that use the same tech if there are differences there to take note of. Curtis Judd did a video comparing the Orion 300 and an Aputure 300x a while back. While the Orion fared worse based on metered readings, Curtis found that it did better to his eyes in terms of producing a more flattering result with the human subject he used. I thought it was an interesting result

[@cagf2013]

@@gaffergear that’s a great point of colour render vs. gamut being two very different things. Being able to dial in those rich yellows and 2000k in CCT mode with good results is the main reason I’m buying an RGBACL light. For typical daylight and tungsten balance, existing lights like RGBWW can do that really well already.

[@nshea3286]

​@@gaffergear Any hint on who is producing the 8 color led lights? I know Hive used a 7 color light engine in the Super Hornet.

[@gaffergear]

@@cagf2013 that is my thinking, this is another tool that I can use, I'll probably never key with it but wow it gives me capability.

[@KinoapparaTom]

Hey Andrew, thanks for this review!!!! In the demo shot at the end, which light head were you using inside the lantern on top, at the end of the boom arm? also which lantern was that? thx!!!

[@gaffergear]

It was a Forza 500 (at about 10%) with a Aputure lantern 90

[@viewindertv]

Great review as always, Andrew. Quick Q: how do you think this stacks up against the Godox SZ150R?

[@gaffergear]

Apart from brightness I think it is a better light. The SZ150r is quite a remarkable light for its price too

[@cagf2013]

Thanks for getting this out so quickly. I've been really curious to see what this RGBACL tech can do in a familiar form factor. It's interesting that the SSI scores are a bit lower than other lights you review, but the TM-30 is very good. I'm guessing that's because the spectrum has a bit of a wonky shape compared to traditional LED technology?

[@nshea3286]

Take a look at the spectrum above 650nm. RGBACL lights tend to cut off the spectrum(towards red) earlier than RGBWW and to compensate to maintain CCT scores(Blue-Red balance) have a bit of a red spike. SSI weights every part of the spectrum equally - so the missing spectrum from about 650-680 and the spike, lower the SSI score.

[@cagf2013]

@@nshea3286 very interesting, thanks for the insight on that.

[@Praxiszooms]

wow. now the change to cyan and amber starts

[@rgesualdo]

Great review as always, can you help me with the name of that kind of dmx cable? can't find it anywhere, thank you.

[@gaffergear]

NANLITE CB-DMX-3.5C-1/2 DMX Cable for Forza 150 and Forza 60C

[@JulesFredericNerestant]

Hey all! Question regarding output: Is there a particular property of the color blue or human eyes or perhaps how RGB lights are built that makes it that lights are weakest when outputting blue? It feels in general like most RGB lights (pavos, forza 60c, apurture 600c) aren't fairing well in that regard. Pip pip, cheerio.

[@gaffergear]

In what mode of operation, do you mean as a saturated colour or warm white against cool white

[@rikiwatanabe4342]

For a long time, the reason I had been avoiding non-RGBWW lights was the color rendition, but now the Nanlite has done an amazing job at rendering pure white! Now I'm curious how the newly accounced Orion 765FS performs.

[@aidangriener1043]

Riki!

[@rikiwatanabe4342]

@@aidangriener1043 Aidan!! Such a small world lol I'm happy you're watching the videos!

[@aidangriener1043]

@@rikiwatanabe4342 oh I love Gaffer and Gear - Andrew is the best. Not surprised you watch his stuff too

[@RobbScholarTube]

I still can't decide if I should get the Godox SZ150R or this. Sure the Godox is more powerful at 150w but I'd have to buy a camping generator to go mobile with it. But even if I get the 60c for $700 I'm still gonna end up buying more NPC batteries or another vmount. I already have a Vl150.

[@stokkies2]

Just received my two! Colours are incredible. I was wonder if you could do us a solid? Having trouble getting a hold of the dmx adapters and would like to pair these with my moonlites. Any chance you could give us the wiring diagram for the input to make our own?

[@gaffergear]

If I get time this weekend I'll run a metre over the pins. They haven't released the profile info yet so I'm running the Prolycht Orion 300 CCT/HSI as it is very close.

[@stokkies2]

Thanks! Keen to get these on dmx 😎 could be cool for virtual production running a point on screen to create dmx values to coincide with what is happening in the background colour and intensity wise.

[@StringerBell]

Hey there! Did you test the 36 degree projection mount with the 60c? Will there be a big difference in performance , compared to 19'' given the fact that it cannot cover the whole 19''' projection?

[@gaffergear]

I've ordered 4 36⁰ because I'm finding sometimes I need a wider beam and I'm running the light at 4% with the 19⁰ So I'll let you know how they go.

[@StringerBell]

@@gaffergear thanks! I'm on the verge of buying the light and the projector mount but from where I live I won't have the option to return it. So it will be very helpful If you can confirm me that the 36 is compatible enough.

[@StringerBell]

@@gaffergear Hey there, do you happen to already have teh 36⁰ already? Do you recommend it instead of the 19 . Thank you

[@gaffergear]

@@StringerBell I got the 36⁰. Same performance as the 19⁰ in terms of optics

[@gaffergear]

@@StringerBell it comes to beam angle you require, or distance. Typically I use the 19⁰ to throw light into my distant backgrounds, and the 36 for closer lighting where I need the beam spread

[@Mushu8495]

despite is narrow(ish) beam angle, it seems to still be wider than the orion 300 which has a bad hot spot in soft boxes?

[@cagf2013]

the Orion 300FS is only like 40-50 degrees native... vs this one which is 80-90

[@Mushu8495]

thank you for the response

[@martinc12]

Should we still be buying small bi-colour panels, eg. something like a ~50w 1x1, when we have small bi-color and full-color COBs? You can always soften a hard light as they say...

[@gaffergear]

I still have my 50w TGL Bi-colour panels. They are faster to set up. But often only used as a work light these days

[@benparilis1081]

I’m not a pro gaffer but I want to be. As a pro, what circumstances would you choose low power lights in stead of dimming down a high powered lights other than size difference? It seems to me that if you can afford it you should just have a fleet of high powered LEDs and modifiers for whatever situation comes up.

[@freednighthawk]

Size, weight, and rigging options. As an example, I once rigged a tiny little panel light onto a furni clamp to the top of a dividing wall. There would have been no way to safely mount a skypanel in the same location without building a pretty large rig. I'm not saying don't get some high firepower lights, but do not neglect getting some nice small lights as well.

[@gaffergear]

I will add to what Kyle said by adding dimming range. If I use bigger fixtures they usually end up running at around 5%. Then if I need to fine tune the brightness I have problems. For example if a light dims in 1% increments, the difference between 5% and 4% is 20% in brightness level. That is definitely not a lot of scope for fine tuning. Also colour render and colour accuracy can be hit and miss below 10%.

[@benparilis1081]

@@gaffergear thank you both!

[@anonymissed3611]

Some newer models are allowing gross/fine options to address this.

[@freednighthawk]

@@anonymissed3611 True, but it's kinda like dual ISO on cameras. Sure, it'll get the job done, but it's by no means optimal.

[@rodrigo8269]

Hi Andrew! Is there any barndoor I can use with the reflector that comes with it?

[@gaffergear]

Not sold by Nanlite and I haven't seen anything after market

[@alvincamera]

thank you for the test,somehow this light brighter than sz150R godox?from what i see the 5600kelvin godox 1 meter only 3260lux from your test

[@gaffergear]

I think it's because the godox has a very dense dome over the LEDs

[@MrTrain4autism]

Is there an equivalent in the Aputure / Amaran ? Only because I love the SIDIS app and have all my lights sync'd.

[@gaffergear]

Not at the moment, or any time soon. These do have DMX control, and Aputure are looking at implementation of DMX into Sidus at some point

[@c.s.christopher5801]

Yes there is Amaran 150C/300C now

[@sebastianFZE]

@@c.s.christopher5801yes but they are way bigger and the spotlight SE sucks

[@animationwiz1532]

This question is very late, but to anyone who can answer: is it possible to power a CRMX receiver off the light? And if yes, how? My CRMX receivers have USB-C inputs. The answer makes or breaks the unit for me.

[@gaffergear]

It has a USB A port hidden on bottom of light for firmware updates which has power out.

[@austinscherzberg4569]

Can we use the new reflector on the 60b or regular Forza 60?

[@gaffergear]

I didn't think to try, it would be interesting to see if it gives you a spot

[@austinscherzberg4569]

@@gaffergear my 60c just showed up in the mail so I’ll actually try it today

[@LukeCurtis]

Yes you can ;-)

[@foresterwin1837]

Any rumblings of a 150c?

[@gaffergear]

They only just released the B. But who knows!

[@ralphgeronilla]

Would you choose 3 of these Nanlites vs 1 Orion 675 or 600C?

[@bbrunorocha]

Tough question my friend, will depend a lot on the type of jobs that you do !

[@gaffergear]

Agree with Bruno, depends on the jobs you do.

[@EETSTHECREATOR]

Thanks! Sufficient for say an interview?

[@gaffergear]

Depends how you are using it, as a key maybe not, but as a backlight or background colour definitely