Gaffer & Gear 165 - Forza Projection Attachment

[@sasukekun1416325]

Thanks so much for this. So many details that are missing from any Nanlite documentation or support.

[@TwaynePereira]

TIL how to use a projection head and as a bonus, I got a review. Thanks Andrew!

[@AwesomeShotStudios]

Nicely reviewed, Andrew. I'm glad that more manufacturers are offering projection attachments, although it's a shame that most are proprietary to their own lights. I wonder if they'll address your issues about the ratchet lock mechanism. It's such a shame they didn't give this more consideration, as if they don't have a gaffer working with the product designers.

[@filmhackYT]

I would say adding a aluminum no slip braking pad in between those teeth should solve that negative. I bought some for my grip heads because of that same issue of fine tuning.

[@enrichtwo]

Do you have an example of where to get those?

[@wilderenss24]

Can you show a photo what do u mean by it exactly?

[@Crawling8888]

Can you give an example what to google to find these things?

[@patrickphotos]

Happy new year! Thanks for all your videos in 2021 and that 2022 will be a great working year for you. Stay safe

[@cagf2013]

Great review, thanks Andrew! This combo would be so great for using with the mirror based reflector systems you mentioned. Brightness levels are insane! But yeah, not ideal for product close ups with some of those optical flaws. The ghosting in particular would really bother me.

[@hongjiwu145]

hahaha your neighbours must have been scared seeing you pop out the new leko attachment, thank you for sparing them! ; )

[@MrJayColes]

“Even by Qantas baggage handlers” s a v a g e

Great as always! Waiting the review of the godox projection mount I think that aputure Spotlight still being the Best atachment for bowens mount lights...

[@cobymarcum1442]

Extremely helpful. Thank you! And a happy new year to you sir.

[@andyvan5692]

one point Andrew, if you want this system for that photographic use case at 4:52 , it would be better to get a broncolor picolite, it has this style of projection attachment, but for specific narrow beam illumination of those still life subjects.

[@sebastianciho]

Just a thought.. as I have a few FS Series heads. The 19 degrees lens and projector attached to a FS150 or FS300 could be a good light for conferences and small productions where AC lights are ok.

[@TedHolmwood]

My biggest complaint about my forzas has always been the tilt adjustment. The rosette is annoying and my first 300 also got stripped on one side of the yoke when a friend borrowed it. I'll definitely still buy this though, I can put that stripped 300 to good use again.

[@gaffergear]

That and the controller clamp! Apparently they have changed the metal to one that doesn't grind itself apart.

[@OliverH93]

Absolutely love your channel. Thanks for all the hard work. Any chance you could look into The Lightbridge CRLS reflector system or the dedo Lightstream system. Have seen quite a lot on it but still haven’t got round it’s uses and the light qualities it provides. Hopefully one of them could send you a free set for review. Keep up the hard work, huge thanks.

[@gaffergear]

I too want to see this. I keep forgetting promises of people sending me one for review but it never happens. Unfortunately Melbourne is so far away from the rest of the world. I don't want to purchase one just in case it's a load of hype or another passing fad.

[@OliverH93]

@@gaffergear yeah completely understood - hopefully one of them follows through on getting a set to you. That’s my worry with spending cash and getting into the system before knowing what it’s about and if it’s just a fad - they seem to have a lot of promise in terms of decluttering a set and using fixtures differently - that’s where the appeal for me comes from. you’re breakdowns and reviews are great at getting to the heart of things - so fingers crossed someone gets some to ya. My interest was peaked from this KZbin video; kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHqsin-hrsarl8k But I’ve seen no thorough tests - just marketing materials.

[@darkcarbonproductions8881]

I love this guy!

[@GoatHousePRODUCTION]

Not sure if any already asked this but I gave the LS 600c Pro a try on the nanlite projector mount and it fit. It also illuminated. I ran it for 15 minutes and didn’t see any issue. If you get a chance, can you take a look into both the 600c and the 1200d on these nanlite projector mounts? It seems they both will fit, maybe some optical issues or heat issues I’ve over looked? Thx, I appreciate all your content!

[@donaldkoestel]

Love your videos!

[@sebastiend3547]

Hi Andrew, thank you so much for all of your content. Lots of things to learn here. One question about COB lights, for you wich one is the most versatile/ most compatible with accessories between Aputure, Nanlite, Godox... I mean if you would own only one to be compatible with the best fresnel, best projection mount etc. Wich one would it be ?

[@tonyzecchinelli]

the 153 thumb up is mine

[@PhilHover]

Great review!!

[@cinedorks9331]

Awesome! Had no idea they were making one outside of the one they have for the Forza60! Any idea if this will work with the Nanlite FS-300? Or are those FS designs not capable of working with this unit?

[@gaffergear]

I doubt it because the FS series has multiple emitters.

[@brandontan9308]

@@gaffergear Surprisingly yes it works with FS just like a normal Forza. I also wondered so tried mounting my FS-150 and FS-300 on the Bowens Projection soonest i got mine. It works with the same sharpness and performance you get with a Forza.

[@iamtheotter]

@@brandontan9308 Would love to see a comparison video with your tests.

[@sasukekun1416325]

I also use this with an FS-300b

[@StringerBell2002]

Can you do a review/ comparison of the Nanlux juxtaposed to the Aputure equivalent lights. I think they both have 600 series RGB panels and 1200 series point source lights similar in price??

[@ianblackburn2645]

really hope they release an updated model without the rosette yoke

[@tonyzecchinelli]

very good review - I subscribed to your channel

[@txmexnittro]

AWESOME and very informative video and thanks for sharing!!! One quick question, I have a Nanlite Forza 60, I'm ordering a Nanlite Forza 500B II 2 light kit. If I purchase the Nanlite Projection Attachment with 19 & 36° Lens Kit for Bowens Mount for the FORZA 500, can I also use it on the FORZA 60 with the Bowens adapter? If it does work, and I place the Nanalite Projection Attachment on my Forza 60, will the Forza 60 have enough power to work in conjunction with my 2 Forza 500B II ?? Thank you

[@gaffergear]

I haven't even thought to try that. But just to let you know the Forza 60 projector is awesome. Everyone I know who buys one ends up with more of them. So light weight and so powerful.

[@maxbridge8921]

Hey Andrew. I was just about to buy a forza 500B ii and this projector but after watching this the colour fraying concerns me. I shoot a lot of tabletop and product photogrpahy and need a projector powerful enough to play with 600w and 1200w lights. Is the Spotlight Max better? Any other recommendations? Appreciate any thoughts you have

[@gaffergear]

The max is very sharp and clean, but the blades are in a very different focal plane to the gobo slot. So if you are planning on using blades in conjunction with Gobos they don't work together well. Otherwise it's an awesome unit It may be worth considering the Forza 60/150 projector with a 19⁰ beam. I know it doesn't sound like a lot of firepower but it could be surprising. The 60c with 19⁰ is my go-to for table top fine work.

[@maxbridge8921]

@gaffergear cheers for the reply. I've actually got a 60c + projector and the original Aputure spotlight which I use with the 300d. I was shooting some perfume the other day and needed a tight slash. I found the aputure to be about a stop too dark so was hoping this nanlux combo would work. The spotlight max doesn't seem that great in terms of output...

[@EverythingFilmmaking]

Seems this attachment and the fresnel for nanlite can’t get it right with the front heavyness designs…🤷🏻‍♂️

[@gaffergear]

The priority on the yolk placement seems to be aesthetic with so many lights these days.

[@wilderenss24]

Its hilarious how he just said plainly with juust a little shake of the hand - when telling about not burning in the gobo before shooting and setting off the smoke alarm and several fire trucks came - "very expensive day"

[@Ed-davies]

Excellent review as always. It is a shame that it does not rotate but I think the positives outweigh this. Will Nanlite be sending the 36degree for you to try? Also did you try this on the Forza300, I’m wondering if a less intense light would reduce the CA further?

[@gaffergear]

I don't have a 300 unfortunately. Hopefully I can get a 36 and do a follow up.

[@DP_Daro]

2:40 I would try to put between the rosette teeth some 1-2mm thick rubber circle like the C-stand has and it would be much easier to fine tune I think.

[@gaffergear]

It's got one already

[@DP_Daro]

@@gaffergear So maybe a metal plate?

[@gaffergear]

@@DP_Daro worth a shot

[@JADURCA]

I remember that you mention in one of you're Nanalite Forza reviews about the idea that rosettes could be sanded a little to eliminate teethes. Did you ever try it? Thanks!

[@gaffergear]

That was before the Fresnel came out, I'm glad I didn't I don't think it would hold the weight in spot .

[@JADURCA]

@@gaffergear Makes sense. It would be great to develop a DIY tilt lock lever for Forza heads, like the "Forza Clamp Solution" video by you about a better option that than the factory clamp. It works so great that even Nanlite implemented it in the new Forza 720. Can it be posible to make a practical DIY tilt lock lever for Forza heads knobs? Thanks for your great videos!

[@michaelmiller7928]

I noticed you said it won’t mount to an Aputure System. I work with GVM, do they mount to GVM products with their bowens?

[@sunnymahour1263]

Another good review, just wanted to know if this projection compatible with any of GODOX light will be helpful

[@gaffergear]

I have a godox 600 coming soon so I will test

[@ThirdEyeVisuals]

Thanks for the review Andrew. Does this mount ok on Godox300SL or Aputure 300d ii lights? I'd imagine those standard bowens mount lights shouldnt be an issue?

[@gaffergear]

With optical mounts it's best to stick to the same brand. It's not just the mount, it's the size of the COB and position of the COB that effects the optics. So you could get a miss match optically

[@ADNZ5442]

What alternatives for product photography?

[@gaffergear]

Dedo (very expensive) godox

[@666size666]

The barrel won't rotate? Seriously? Maybe ok for most film work but half my logo projections (corp. staging) need some sort of rotation due to hanging the light in weird places. Next.

[@gaffergear]

That's why I have negatives early in the reviews

[@NYCgaffer]

Yeah it’s a huge oversight… not a deal breaker for my uses, mainly CRLS, but I’d rather pay more money for rotating barrel and smooth non Rosetta style lock down… also annoying I have to use proprietary lenses and won’t have 5, 10, 14 degree option etc

[@666size666]

@@gaffergear That's why I subscribe...you're the best.

[@DrumHead23]

I am selling my second PJ-BM-19º with the IRIS accessory, never got the chance to use it so it is new. If anyone here is interested, shipping from European Union!

[@Farcorner]

Great video and review .. i Have a qyuestion regarding mounting this projection attachment to strobes from Paulcbuff Like the Einstein600 and their new strobes Link800 .. is it possible to attach it to either of those two stoobes or units? thank you

[@gaffergear]

I have no idea, but I doubt it would optically line up if you did. The optics are lined up for the position if this brands LEDs

[@tron1999lee]

Any chance you could test this on the Prolycht Orion 300 fs?? I'm really not impressed by their in house option of projector. Curious if that fixture would share the same flange issues as the aperture did in this video. If you did try it or get a chance to see what is the focus and beam like?

[@gaffergear]

I don't have that light anymore unfortunately.

[@spitefullymy]

Does this come with an Iris? Couldn’t find the Iris online.

[@gaffergear]

Optional extra. Code is PJ-BM (outside American at least)

[@alacazaba]

would it be better with a front mask? with typical lekos + front mask the image will be sharper, less fringing.

[@gaffergear]

Ohhhh! Thanks for the info

[@luisa9628]

What do you find is the most useful degree barrel for these projection mounts if one already owns dedo type lights for the smaller projection needs?

[@gaffergear]

Comes down to the tool. I use the 19 with my Nanlite Forza 60s and 150s to throw light a long way as a backlight. I use the 36 degree of I need to throw a pattern on a wall behind an interview using the 300D.

[@NICKCINEMEDIA]

Good afternoon! Will this work with the FS series?

[@gaffergear]

I actually don't know, I suspect not, but I will try and find out

[@mylesaquino]

sad to see the teeth on the yoke brake :/

[@michaellanghausen4365]

How is the Projector Mount for the Forza 60 for tabletop/product photography? Does that one rotate?

[@gaffergear]

Won't rotate but optically good

[@OppaiDaisukiful]

I wonder if inverse square law still applies in light that uses a projection mount? how do we calculate the fall of ?

[@gaffergear]

Still applies, you just have a higher starting value because the light is all focused down into the 19 degree beam

[@OppaiDaisukiful]

@@gaffergear ah I see I thought the optics in front of light would change the fall off, but instead just affect the output of that light. Thank you Andrew for your answer. Learning new things every time I see your vids :)

[@borjaherran4278]

Great episode! Do you know if it is compatible with Nanlite FS300? Thanks!

[@gaffergear]

I don't know for sure.

[@borjaherran4278]

@@gaffergear thanks!

[@sasukekun1416325]

I use mine with the fs300b

[@samird.o.peoperadordecamer471]

can it be used on nanlite 720 at 100% intensity?

[@gaffergear]

Yes

[@ardancer00]

It can be use with godox sz150r? I have forza 500 and sz150r. I don't know what projection i have to buy. Nanlite or Aputure?

[@gaffergear]

I don't know how it would go on the Godox. But if it's any help the Forza 500 won't mount on the Aputure securely

[@Xx10Angel18xX]

Godox is also releasing a projection attachment, with 3 barells (VSA-19K/26K/36K). They might fit better on Godox lights. The SZ150R though might behave weirdly, due to its frosted glass meant to mix the different emiters. That's worth testing it I believe.

[@Mushu8495]

Andrew do you have the Godox 600d in the queue?

[@gaffergear]

It's on the way to me

[@mortezakhobzi3651]

Hi, how about Forza 150 fm? Which of the two nanlite projectors work with the 150 fm?

[@gaffergear]

JPFZ60 is the projector mount for the 150, it used a smaller mount then the Bowen. It may be having a model number change soon because the 150 didn't exist when they called it the JPFZ60.

[@mortezakhobzi3651]

@@gaffergear thanks, so the 150 doesn't attach to any of the nanlite's projection attachments because of its proprietary mount?!

[@gaffergear]

@@mortezakhobzi3651 it could attach via a Bowen mount to say the Aputure or the bigger Bowen mount Nanlite unit but it won't give you as good optics, we way heavier, and cost heaps more.

[@gaffergear]

@@mortezakhobzi3651 the Forza 60 and 150 lights are physically smaller than a Bowen mount. So they have their own

[@ChrisBucklin]

Can it fit on a godox VL300?

[@gaffergear]

I have no idea if it fits or optically aligns

[@aebonstudio7193]

Does it work with the new Evoke 1200?

[@gaffergear]

Highly doubtful it will mount

[@NYCgaffer]

The evoke is not a Bowen’s mount but the Aputure 1200 is although it’s unlikely it will work for the same reason the 600D/X do not…