Gaining Unlimited Speed in Mario Sunshine

[@NokiDoki]

Yooo, sick find! On the grate, you can also have Mario look upwards in Y cam to charge backward speed faster fwiw 5:20 Sorry to crush your dreams but the weird math that makes PUs a thing in SM64 no longer happens in Sunshine, so there’s nothing to travel to. Even then, true out of bounds kills your speed in Sunshine, so you couldn’t even get close to building up PU speed (hover storage is still the better option in that regard since Mario doesn’t try to go anywhere until you get off the mesh)

[@AverageTreyVG]

Nooooo Rip building speed for 12 hours in the sms A button challenge

[@imaginaryboy2000]

A parallel universe is a parallel universe, you can't say it's only out of bounds

[@ThePurplePeppy]

@@imaginaryboy2000 Well, Jason"""Sky"""Walker, here me out

[@NokiDoki]

@@imaginaryboy2000 It’s funny because the SM64 community used to call PUs “out of bounds” before they figured out what was going on

[@IanZWhite00]

I’m 50 seconds in and I immediately came down to find you and tell you how much I love your name

[@ahbeef]

the new BLJ is blooper long jumping

[@SidedWilliams]

Interesting. The important thing is that Trey found a thing. I'm so proud.

[@DyllonStejGaming]

What's rather interesting is that the Blooper Method of building up speed in Sunshine is nearly identical to what's known as the "C^ Trick" in Super Mario 64, which allows you to build up a large amount of positive or negative horizontal speed by going into Zoomed Camera Mode while running near-parallel onto a slippery slope. As others have mentioned, you can do a similar thing with riding a shell.

[@BlueRiging]

I was reminded of going backwards with a shell on a steep slope myself. Like here, for example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHmQpoeAhsdmjZI

[@Sheerspeechcraft]

Wouldn't it be closer to gaining hyperspeed using a shell?

[@goldenwarrior1186]

Иосиф Сталин yes

[@SuperM789]

dyllon did you really just forget about shell hyperspeed?

[@NotLe0n]

Why dont you just use the rocket horizontally?

[@zecr2aisonyoutube994]

Because if he did this, Morio would ate the sand. The sand is not eatable

[@NotLe0n]

@@zecr2aisonyoutube994 what? My sand is! Hmmm weird

[@Ben-sn4tu]

r/engrish

[@ZacMio]

I love eating sand it tastes like sugarless sugar

[@speedman5461]

@@Ben-sn4tu r/ihavereddit

[@joelbarajas-renteria1379]

What I got from the video is that he is grinding SMS any% again

[@substitoad7069]

Joel Barajas facts

[@AverageTreyVG]

been streamin attempts on my twitch channel the past couple months ;)

[@substitoad7069]

AverageTreyVG trey, just wanna say thanks. You really brought back my love for speedrunning. Watching you stream and the documentaries you made really got me back into running . Thank you.

[@simpson6700]

funny how the shell riding mechanic from SM64 acts in the exact same way.

[@acro9779]

true

[@SeleenShadowpaw]

oh god. i'm so ready for "red coins on the pirate ship in 0.5 A presses"

[@worst-buy7073]

Well, the slope slide mechanic is also present in 64. Hyper-speed-sliding is what occurs when Mario needs to slide off of and object when it is too steep to climb. By positioning Mario almost parallel to the slope and performing an action like sliding (holding the joystick in on direction then the opposite) you can lock Mario in a sliding state so that he moves forward and the slopes fail-safe pushes him into a state with negative speed, his speed will be updated but his state won't (remember, hes already in sliding state so he cant stomach slide or butt slide) thus giving him more negative speed and keeping him in the same place (other than moving backwards along the wall). using other mechanics it is possible to trap Mario under a ceiling to built up (almost) infinite speed. That to too long to write.

[@adamkampen]

Backwards Long Jump Blooper Ledge Jank Checks out

[@silky1725]

This is very similar to sm64 with a koopa shell. Same mechanic. Just instead of a blooper you use a shell and you csn get pretty fast

[@stephybloops]

The World Record History of Super Mario Sunshine infinitespeed% Speedruns

[@komsine]

Parazail got your back

[@masgames3581]

We could also call it infinitespeed%runs

[@rawr51919]

We might be on the cusp of DESTROYING Sunshine thanks to this trick.

[@abandonedsunflowerfield6469]

Thanks for making this so easy to understand. Tas and speedrun explanation videos can get so complex so fast.

[@Jill_Sandwich]

"But first, we need to talk about parallel universes."

[@xeylzo7001]

Always excited to see stuff from you! Nice find! Maybe it'll lead to some cool new tech! Keep up the good work man! :D

[@HobbesandCalvinFan]

Oh wow. It turns out that the background of the Blooper racing sewer is actually one of the "secret stage" backgrounds, specifically the starry sky with trains. That's also pretty strange.

[@ThinkAboutVic]

This is absolutely insane. This probably will change SMS TAS'ing forever. Good job.

[@lombre9149]

Noobish LOL sorry but it most likely wont

[@jpspeedruns688]

This is insanely cool, amazing job Trey!

[@lucrio4088]

I love that people are still finding things in this game. Makes me hopeful for the future of bringing down the any% record even more

[@clashsensei8267]

Im not s speed runner in any sense or know much about SMS aside from what you tsught me in your progression video. Really interesting though, glad to hear you are practicing any%. YOU GOT THIS

[@1sdani]

Backwards long blooping

[@gdash6925]

Blooper long jump

[@davidthecommenter]

BLB

[@Mrkiki0209]

Ooooh this is soo cool! Can't wait to see what other people labbing this will find! This could potentially turn into something big for any %, or really any category one day!

[@rawr51919]

Might turn into destruction of the game.

[@yakobengel1410]

Mark my words: This will evolve into something. The era of SMS glitches and new speedrun strats hasn't come to an end yet.

[@formerlyknownasmousecopp4367]

Of course the method is nearly identical to another speed building method in SM64 (granted its seldom, if ever, used), but this is still a really cool find! (Referring to riding a green shell backward and horizontally on a steep slope)

[@JakeDaSpud]

The blooper thing is like using a shell in sm64, on a slope, actually, the exact same thing

[@domninin]

The fact that this is exactly the same as the koopa shell slide in 64 leads me to believe that maybe they reused parts of the engine from 64 in Sunshine, so PU's could actually be a thing

[@thedudethatneveruploads2617]

This blooper slope mechanic reminds me of when you ride backwards on a slope in SM64 on a Koopa Shell. Some things never change

[@SSM24_]

Given how much of Super Mario Sunshine's code was reused from SM64, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens for the exact same reason as well.

[@BoredLord]

F in the chat for TJ Henry Yoshi

[@takumui3332]

This is just like building up speed with a koopa shell in SM64

[@RikiZ8]

He freaking fell into night void. Awesome

[@swordlock8322]

Damn, neat find Trey.

[@Zyon134]

To have another SM64 speed building comparison, there actually is a method just like this in SM64. First, ride a shell up a slippery slope, then once Mario starts slowing down, turn so that Mario is facing away from where you want to go, and slightly facing uphill. Sadly, you can't use an angle of 0, but an angle of 1 is the next best thing. Mario will build up speed and stay on the shell once he gets off. This is actually possible RTA as well. My favorite and the simplest setup is on the second star of Bom-omb Battlefield. By the cannon, there's a shell and a slippery slope that spans most of the map's width. Here is a video of the glitch in action, as I'm not the greatest at explanations: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXa0c5aYa8SoarM That video is a TAS and in Snowman's Land, but it's the same trick. TL;DR get shell go nyooom

[@sillygoober698]

Average Trey Above average glitch-finding skills

[@BeaverThingify]

Ok, this is insane stuff.

[@sunk6478]

The blooper trick is extremely similar, if not exactly the same, as sm64 shell hyperspeed. It involves practically the same conditions, except with a shell rather than a blooper.

[@MattTOB618]

The noise Mario makes when he BLJ's haunts my nightmares

[@ImpactoJonathan]

Super niche, but interesting implications for possible future use, really cool! Call it the Trey slide 😎

[@sosukeaizen7056]

3:17 that's also a thing in SM64. It's easiest to perform in Whomp's Fortress

[@Cane-Aubright]

You sound like a mix of sethbling and Stryder7x

[@mobgabriel1767]

at this point getting infinite speed is already a canon hability for mario

[@kingsure1745]

Oh cool its the same trick from sm64 where you could build up speed but with a shell on a slope

[@FenoTheFox]

Is it possible to use this in conjunction with the turbo nozzle instead of a blooper? And if so, maybe there's a spot that you could position Mario that would push him through the end gate in Del Fino Plaza?

[@drasticplastic1218]

Local italian plumber achieves heaven

[@PapaMoostafa01]

BLJ when said without context sounds dirty.

[@DatsKipOmANiHaVeAch4nn3l]

Prepare, FOR LUDICROUS SPEED.

[@NBDbingo5]

I wish for a future where a sunshine rom hack takes advantage of this

[@Lugmillord]

Oooh, like SM64's backwards shell slide. As for PUs - I doubt it. It would be a rather random decision to have the ground detection and position in differently sized data structures.

[@Minty_Meeo]

This looks identical to the trick in SM64 with the Koopa Shell going backwards. I've heard Sunshine uses the same code base as SM64, so perhaps Bloopers are reconfigured Koopa Shells? Thinking about it, their behavior is very, very similar.

[@AverageTreyVG]

very likely theory tbh

[@kitmelton5126]

BLJ BLowJo- -Jo’s bizarre adventure

[@jaxoncarter2electricboogal921]

Did you hear what happened to mr. Marowak?

[@kelly44-l5v]

Who?

[@jaxoncarter2electricboogal921]

@@kelly44-l5v he was a streetpass speedrunner, and silvagunner contributor. He recently passed away, which (combined with the fact that its National go fishing Day) is why there's been a lot of streetpass fishing rips recently.

[@kelly44-l5v]

@@jaxoncarter2electricboogal921 ah Jesus, i hadn't heard about that. It's great that the community is showing some respect after his passing

[@jaxoncarter2electricboogal921]

@@kelly44-l5v yeah good thing you're showing some respect *unlike:* kzbin.info/door/TZcBJUgJEfLsWYaLixPuew

[@aetrics]

i was just recently messing around with rocket storage and found if you go into out of bounds oceans it pushes you very quickly back into the level. I dont know if there’d be any way to carry that speed but it reminded me of this video Edit: you need to be pretty far out of bounds to gain substantial speed

[@XUIW]

Sonic- "I'm the fastest in the world!" Flash-"I'm also the fastest in the world!" MARIO- "Hey guys, are we flexing?"

[@thealmanancy9020]

*Players Sonic, Flash have left the chat*

[@silver6380]

What happens if you do this with the weird Noki 3/4/8 hover nozzle?

[@Boo-km7zk]

When is the next world record history? I can’t wait

[@pv9e]

Bro just bind in the console " bind mwheeldown +jump " and bunnyhop, its so ez

[@souzooka7876]

Wouldn't "parallel universes" be demonstrably (dis)provable by standing on a surface, adding UINT_MAX to Mario's X or Z value, and seeing if his height changes as a result of him falling? No need to build up speed using a blooper for 12 hours ;)

[@musicenthusiast2372]

Trey, I'm somewhat new to speedruning this game and using a combination of strats, ive been able to get a 3:40 which isnt that good I know, but I was wondering if using the US version has any noticable differeneces, and if getting all the shadow mario cutscense done as soon as possible saves any time.

[@wizzybizzy4309]

Love these videos. They help me learn stuff about sms

[@lakitu6422]

Is it possible to do hover storage on Rico harbor by glitching under water and changing the water level?

[@lakitu6422]

I checked and it's not possible because none of the climbable surfaces touch the ground

[@urd3adnow]

parallel universes in 64 always confused me. like, are they a developer intended thing? or just a weird side effect of something else?

[@fourteevee]

It's a side effect of how collision is detected! Pannen made several videos on the topic but of particular note: - position is stored as a float (the maximum value of which is very large) - collision is NOT detected directly alligned with the position, instead, it is stored in a short int (a very small number... 16,000ish if I'm not mistaken) - by exceeding that 16000 value for colision checking, it wraps around back to -16000 and eventually back to 0, meaning your position can be very far from the map but you still technically collide with the main map because colision detection loops forever Due to these things, PUs exist! All a PU is is you colliding with that looping main map colision very far from the main map, rather than actual objects out there. Hope that helps!

[@lakitu6422]

This is just like the shell glitch in sm64

[@mr.whimsic6902]

Would it be possible to clip past Pinna Park's invisible wall with Grate Storage?

[@NokiDoki]

There’s no grate on the beach, and even then you probably couldn’t bring Yoshi

[@rawr51919]

@@NokiDoki It could be possible if you went fast enough backwards to speed right through the wall.

[@Jordan-pi4ou]

That was awesome, I love this stuff

[@Elizabeth-by7gz]

Oooooohh a cool thing! I hope this goes somewhere!

[@FonzTech]

Great find, but I don't think parallel universes exist in SMS, or they are way harder to get in. This is due to coordinates be in floating point. They have a range way larger than N64 integer numbers.

[@SSM24_]

If you want to get super pedantic, SM64 also does use a float for Mario's position - it's just that for floor detection specifically, it gets truncated to 16-bit integers for whatever reason.

[@meowmasterer4292]

Now let me explain parallel universes

[@bigbigx2250]

:o accelerated blooper sliding

[@notottomedic]

But what would happen if we built up speed for 12 hours

[@lakitu6422]

So I was thinking if I use the hover nozzle on a bungee cord I could then gain negative speed with it then activate it by being hit by an enemy while on the bungee cord. Sadly unlike the rocket nozzle this just caps my speed instantly not allowing for the speed to used.

[@AverageTreyVG]

dang, that's a good thought tho

[@hobbyboundcat6713]

big bloopers, over the wall racing

[@kattnip500]

I wonder if their is an equivalent in Galaxy. Perhaps with the Manta Ray?

[@ZeroKage69]

Can you use the rocket nozzle on the grate to build speed? It's been a while since I played sms lol.

[@AverageTreyVG]

Pretty sure I messed with that and it doesn't work sadly

[@Zatchwen]

Sick video. What do you mean parallel universes??

[@AverageTreyVG]

It's a reference to a weird quirk with sm64 (check out pannenkoek videos)

[@theonlymann1485]

So do we have to build up speed for 12 hours?

[@hooty8703]

Here we go again.

[@VilRecio]

Mario just achieved heaven, he is infinite fast

[@TeamBazym]

Trey can you do a video explaining Parallel Universes in this game in particular? Alot of people including myself got very intrigued when you mentioned this, would love to hear from you!

[@AverageTreyVG]

Dey ain't in this game

[@TeamBazym]

AverageTreyVG thx you and the guys this gdq got me practicing this game. Keep up the good stuff my guy!

[@Mr_Spaghetti]

i know you’re probably just memeing with the PU comment, but in SM64, PUs exist both horizontally and vertically. So if they exist in Sunshine, they’d be much easier to locate with Rocket Storage, if they exist at all

[@Mr_Spaghetti]

oh nvm Noki Doki beat me to it by a fortnight, and with way more knowledge

[@AverageTreyVG]

I never actually knew they were vertical as well... ye rocket storage would be much better for that

[@General12th]

I thought rocket storage let you build up vertical speed at a linear rate. Double the number of storages, double your speed. Triple your storages, triple your speed.

[@AverageTreyVG]

that's tru - I didn't realize this til after I made the voiceover.

[@SSM24_]

It might feel more than that because a linear increase in speed actually gives you a quadratic increase in maximum height, not just a directly proportional one. Storing 2x, 3x, or 4x the number of rockets will indeed give you 2x, 3x, or 4x the amount of speed, but that speed will give you 4x, 9x, and 16x the total height respectively.

[@Toxoplasmosis679]

Only if corona mountains entrance was always loaded >:(

[@musicenthusiast2372]

Nice find. What are the implications? Could it ever be used to significantly improve Any% or 100% wr's?

[@AverageTreyVG]

atm I don't see it bein useful for anything - just an interesting quirk with the game

[@TehFingergunz]

Great vid thank you Trey

[@Jj-hi7ih]

Holy shit tre is gonna break this game

[@JurgaBurgaFlintines]

Good job dad!

[@CorthosFellrin]

if you want to do this during a normal speed run why not take the blooper with you?

[@TheUltimateRare]

maybe they exist. but idk. the different way it's set up might make it impossible.

[@miku4977]

@game developers CAP NEGATIVE SPEED YOU FOOLS

[@Craykiller223]

pannenTrey2019, its happening

[@ralphmartin225]

It is not negative speed. Speed is your speed, you cannot have negative speed nor time, however, you can have negative velocity. Velocity is your speed over time, and your negative velocity would be you traveling backwards. Your speed will always be positive, but if you travel backwards your velocity would become the negative. And there is not deceleration while we’re at it, you can accelerate negatively, which just means you are changing speeds by slowing down. Acceleration is the change of your velocity, which is your speed over time.

[@AverageTreyVG]

thanks physics man

[@substitoad7069]

WE ARE BACK BOYS WE ARE BACK

[@nikofoundaniphone1109]

BLJ + This Glitch = *_What the heck is Happening?_*

[@zecr2aisonyoutube994]

Sleep again

[@wizard1370]

So sick man

[@Quantris]

This seems like a pretty roundabout way to do things if you're just trying to figure out if large negative speeds would enable something further. As in, instead of using a position hack why not just use a speed hack...

[@0x2480]

cause you cant speedhack on console without mods? They used the position hack to practice speedrun strats and such

[@pv9e]

like always, a nice vid

[@ankarar]

MagicScrumpy, Stryder7x and this guy sound so similar lol.

[@AverageTreyVG]

im tryna check out this guy

[@centdemeern1]

Interesting!

[@slateoffate9812]

Speedrunner Mario

[@dabs4270]

wtf is with these slopes man you can C^ trick on them in SM64 use shell hyperspeed do hyper speed walkink and now build up speed in super mario sunshine? there things are really glichy

[@Jellybean_Prince]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@joshuafreyman7287]

Backwards Grind Blooper or BGB