Galactic Domination: Empire Eternal

[@69Kazeshini]

Easy mode: conquering the galaxy with ftl Normal difficulty: conquering the galaxy with wormholes Hard mode: conquering the galaxy with no ftl or clarketech

[@herscher1297]

Just use von neuman probes

[@barahng]

Hardest mode: Colonize galaxy with no FTL while remaining a single polity

[@Mandela2pacforlife]

Even with FTL it would be hard.

[@jaeoskyldig]

Super gnarly mode: conquering the galaxy when at least half the people on every ship is a mixture of karens throwing hissy fits while demanding to see the manager; religious zealots who think technology is the work of the devil; eco activists who sabotage equipment to save the environment of various planets; and conspiracy theorists who think the galaxy isn't real.

[@Pacbandit13]

@@barahng more like Insane Mode conquering the galaxy no FTL or Clark tech without any eternal civil wars.

[@jetflaque8187]

- all empires eventually fall - every rule has to have an exception - the future SFIA empire, is that exeption

[@Dampfaeus]

I bet the biggest danger of any galactic empire will be the invention of psychohistory.

[@dseb99]

@@Dampfaeus And certain psychic mutant clowns 😂

[@innocentbystander3317]

The IA part will eventually die. The S part would cease when life/consciousness is no longer possible, I would imagine. The F part will always be there, even if the concept of time does become moot. So, F to pay respects...

[@dansmith1661]

Democracies rarely last 250 years and America is almost there.

[@shorewall]

@@dansmith1661 List your examples.

[@chrishorst2124]

Isaac finally reveals his life goals.

[@SyntheticParanoia]

Now that you mentioned it, I feel like we all took part of a focus group

[@herscher1297]

I'll get the lasgun

[@richardgreen7225]

MuHaHaHa - My children will invade the galaxy! They will infest every star system! - MuHaHaHa ... Ha.

[@narxes]

This was his plan from the start, he was recruiting his army by amassing a following and teaching them his ways.

[@mattstorm360]

@Randumb Caller My grandfather, the cat, and my selves agree with this. Except the AI version of me. He's been a real asshole after reading everything ever made and published onto the internet.

[@MehnixIsThatGuy]

Colonising the Galaxy requires the same excuse as those that first tried to climb mount Everest: "Because it's there"

[@azmanabdula]

Crisis of entropy Is it worth making more human civs? Yes Yes it is The more humans, the more intelligence pooling, the more ideas discovered, the more scientists, the greater chance we have of living longer in the far distant future

[@Teboski78]

@@azmanabdula more people is also an innately good thing. It’s not worth it if doing so destroys the homeworld’s ecology or severely harms quality of life. But in and of itself more human beings is an innately good thing. If anyone thinks otherwise I would question how their bloodline survived for 4 billion years amid all the other ones that did not. & I would consider them ungrateful for having stood atop the 4 billion year deep pile of dead that is this world’s evolutionary history. It is an intrinsic quality of all life that has made it this far to want there to be more of itself.

[@BillyBob-qu1fs]

@@Teboski78 As long as we can save every species (like the seed vault) so that it can be rebuilt I would sacrifice Earths ecology short term. Long term it wouldn't be a big deal. Like tearing up the grass to put in a new septic.

[@Teboski78]

@@BillyBob-qu1fs we haven’t discovered every species yet though. Best to preserve if possible even if it means marginally slower progress

[@BillyBob-qu1fs]

@@Teboski78 By the time we send out colony ships to distant systems out ecology will hopefully be fully mapped out. If it's not just gone already from pollution. Would we need to destroy our ecology to send out colony ships though? Wouldn't it be easier to build them off planet? I didn't watch the ones on colonization yet so I could very well be missing something there.

[@Curry-tan-]

"Eternal" empires without FTL should probably bring stars into a close formation over time, as discussed in heat death episodes.

[@zushakon1]

The ultimate approach would probably be to make a Birch Planet, harvest every star possible as soon as possible and collecting all the mass of the accessible universe before it drifts away.

[@lukasmakarios4998]

Have you noticed the twenty or so globular clusters orbiting inside our galaxy? Apparently, there's a limit to efficiency when your empire does that.

[@gabrielalejandrodoldan4722]

​@@lukasmakarios4998 They're all death if its that the case

[@purpledevilr7463]

Isaac: *posts a video about maintaining interstellar empires Potential Future Galactic Emperors: *noted

[@voteindependentforindepend7181]

You're right! He's telling us the whole thing would fall apart but he's got it worked out and just doesn't want any of us getting ideas.

[@herscher1297]

😉

[@hamanu666]

*Future God Emperor to his scribes looking back with a time scanner* "Write that down, write it down now!"

[@darksideoftheforce7801]

It's probably time for me to rise

[@barahng]

@@hamanu666 He wouldn't need a time scanner, the Emperor is alive and walks among humanity in the current year in the 40k canon. He would've watched this video if Isaac Arthur existed in the 40k verse.

[@cannonfodder4376]

All Hail the Galactic Empire of Mankind and God Emperor Isaac Arthur himself for this wonderful video! *Grabs a drink and lunch*

[@Shatterverse]

I think you meant to say "All praise the God Emperor and High Lord of Terra Emperor Isaac Arthur!" We wouldn't have to call in the Ordos Herreticus after all.

[@FLPhotoCatcher]

I suspect he's fattening us up so that we cannot resist his rise to power. Galaxy brain thinking, that.

[@innocentbystander3317]

بلا كيف

[@justindominique3410]

Heresy. Although i love Isaac...!

[@ZeroKage69]

🎶… Look around this world we made Equality our stock in trade Come and join the brotherhood of man What a nice contented world Let the banners be unfurled Hold the red star proudly high in hand🎶

[@imperialofficer6185]

...AND HE HAS HELD THE LINE FOR TEN THOUSAND YEARS!

[@spencervance8484]

So whats your excuse, monster? Gunshot roll credits

[@kingkool1338]

The Emperor protects!

[@columreddy]

Only in death,

[@spencervance8484]

@@columreddy does duty end.

[@captainschmichael7568]

Drink: Acquired Snack: Retrieved I’m ready.

[@dseb99]

All we need is an intermission 😂

[@JohnSmith-qq7fm]

That's the First Rule of Warfare

[@ains2904]

Me watching this while eating breakfast

[@binalith4898]

howd your snack escape the first time?

[@tsareric1921]

@@ains2904 That's smart, I watched during my tea.

[@HorzaPanda]

A reminder that the galaxies in most SF and all SF games are tiny. Imagine playing a game of Stellaris in the actual Milky Way? XD

[@r3dp9]

With the current sector AI? That's a big nope from me! They'd have an easier time teaching their AI how to play the game if they stopped trying to overhaul the rules every other year...

[@ilerien]

In Sins of solar empire I once generated ring galaxy with 100 000 stars still small I know but it ran and I enjoyed it... No npc factions and I'm pretty sure if I had un paused I'd still be waiting for first game tick to pass

[@captainstroon1555]

Is a galactic empire feasable? As with all questions, the easy answer is no, but the interesting answer is yes.

[@ruthlessrubberducky5729]

The bigger a govt is, the harder it is to maintain uniformity and order. It will be in constant conflict with itself and it will be impossible to satisfy the wants and needs of a large and diverse empire. In a representative or democratic govt, keeping most people happy is impossible at that scale. Wants, needs and culture would be drastically different amongst worlds and systems. The closest I'd venture to trying would be to form a loose United Nations form of counsel for varying nations to discuss and peacefully resolve conflict without bloodshed. A bunch of smaller, stellar nations of varying size and power that peacefully trade with one another and possibly have military alliances would be ideal.

[@dansmith1661]

Short of creating any kind of matter in an instant, it would get to the point where people can build satellites on a whim and rely on others for supplies, with some authority existing to settle disputes. With unlimited land and resources in space, people can fly out and stake a claim with no laws to follow. There would have to be an alien threat for an empire to exist. Humans will end up spreading outward forever until something stops that.

[@benjaminhouse7252]

@@dansmith1661 Sadly, without FTL, humanity (or any civilization) would only ever be able to interact with the places that are expanding slower than light, such as a section of our observable universe. That's still a lot of space, but we shouldn't underestimate the power of exponential growth. Eventually, we would run out of resources, which isn't great.

[@James-sk4db]

Only feasible way for it to work would be an extreme amount of libertarianism.

[@thothheartmaat2833]

plebs...

[@funkervogt47]

Interesting how this scenario takes us back to the pre-Industrial era. With no way to communicate instantly and with travel being extremely slow, humans naturally diverge into different ethnicities with their own languages and customs. Empires rise and fall, and while they exist, their de facto level of control depends on distance from the capitol.

[@JB-ue6lf]

Huh, I've never realized this before

[@the1exnay]

The difference being that we're now much more capable of killing people, and we keep getting better. Unfortunately our ability to defend ourselves has not progressed at the same rate.

[@luigicampo4008]

@@the1exnay "The only noteworty weapon they ever invented was a crude atom bomb,for wich they didn't even develop a logical defense" -A character from "The stars,like dust" by Isaac Asimov,talking about ancient Earth

[@jengleheimerschmitt7941]

Except that we aren't talking about six months or a year to get a message delivered by ship from Philadelphia back home to London. -A ship that would likely be carrying merchandise that was worth transporting that same distance. This scenario is thousands of years of delay, over a distance over which it could never be worth transporting anything made out of matter. What could it possibly mean to have an empire over dudes that you couldn't possibly interact with aside from thousand-year-delay signals?

[@alex_zetsu]

That's only in the realistic non-FTL case.

[@addammadd]

First rule of planetary warfare: you’re thinking too small.

[@vampiricagorist6979]

This comment just gave me the idea for a book series about an intergalactic war with a ww2 theme and aesthetic.

[@darksideoftheforce7801]

@@vampiricagorist6979 A true writer

[@spencervance8484]

@@vampiricagorist6979 warhammer 40k

[@vampiricagorist6979]

@@spencervance8484 Good comparison, but not quite what I’m looking for. 40k has more of a medieval aesthetic. I’m looking for more of a jazzy 40’s dieselpunk universe.

[@spencervance8484]

@@vampiricagorist6979 most of 40k seems to be diesel punk or beyond. May i introduce you to Krieg. Cadia, the mechanicus of mars and so much more.

[@UntestedGaming]

Gonna need more than 20 Primarchs for that.

[@obrasilius6733]

18

[@UntestedGaming]

@@obrasilius6733 19*

[@antilivvy7373]

@@UntestedGaming well there twe.. [redacted by inquisitorial bolt gun]

[@AethyrPrime]

This is where galactic religions can be important. Having a mythos “The Emperor Protects” can be the glue that holds a galactic empire together. It can also create endless amounts of conflict and strife. “Purge the heretics”, “Purge the Xenos”, for example.

[@shylock247]

For the Emperor! Humanity has not laid rest to its claim of the galaxy!

[@cmelton6796]

I love the smell of promethium in the morning

[@Andrew-zq3ip]

Ubergalactic Eats, anywhere in the galaxy in 30 minutes or less.

[@damondo8870]

Spore drive vibes

[@azmanabdula]

By then its probably some "Invader zim" style cannon mail delivery system Delivered to your door

[@vipondiu]

The other Big Question "who is paying for this and how do they get a return on their investment?" Is one hell of a good question, sir

[@scurvydog20]

All hail emperor musk

[@jtjames79]

@@scurvydog20 I prefer the title "The Eternal Elon".

[@iamjetflight]

"We'll return 50 times the raw materials it took to build our colony fleet" is one hell of a return right there, especially considering most of the energy needed to send them off via a stellaser can be recovered for local use. So... not all *THAT* complicated. (And it can be scaled up, too - the arriving colonists have a whole new system, so they can afford to send, say, one Psyche worth of materials back home.)

[@matthewmatthew638]

Softbank and no, they aren't getting a return on their investment.

[@DanielGenis5000]

It’s answered well by Charles Stross in Saturn’s Children and Neptune’s Brood, both novels in the same future running Economy 2.0

[@ThirdCydonian]

The first rule of galactic conquest: add Ludicrous speed to the speedometer.

[@garethsmith3036]

Next stop: plaid

[@BI-11y_TheStormTrooper]

Nahhhhhh Imma add plaid speed , screw ludicrous speed .

[@Reddotzebra]

Interestingly, while large scale void infrastructure does exist in the Warhammer 40k universe, we very rarely hear of any orbital habitats that are not asteroid mines or farms, and those are generally the sci fi standard of "200 per system or less" rather than the numbers they should have, given the overabundance of manpower in 40k.

[@herscher1297]

Most of the time the answer is 'They dont know how to build them'

[@Ditidos]

@@herscher1297 I was going to say that. 40k get a pass with this thing because, well, most of it should be broken and completely unable to repair it anyway. So, even if at some point they had these absurd numbers, they should be significantly reduced, maybe even to standart scifi numbers.

[@Reddotzebra]

@@herscher1297 But shouldn't O'Neill cylinders be one of if not the most common forms of STC printout?

[@herscher1297]

@@Reddotzebra humanity was more into terraforming and they where pretty good at it

[@changeit000]

Thanks for making a video about the Great Lizard People Empire

[@superbrighteurus4330]

Do you have the link that was deleted?

[@changeit000]

@@superbrighteurus4330 wut?

[@orionspur]

With FTL you could arrange to arrive at any distant rogue outpost long *before* the troublemakers ever get there, and simply pre-colonize it yourself.

[@sorcikator993]

So what I'm getting from there, is that having a God-Emperor of Mankind is the way to go... The Emperor Protect.

[@fluffysheap]

Interesting concepts... But I find the purely sublight situation, where your colonists will not only have abandoned your politics but often evolved into a totally different species before they arrive, to be much more likely... And hard to comprehend as well!

[@falseprophet1024]

Why would they evolve into new species?

[@fctucycy8v8yvy67]

@@falseprophet1024 it takes a while to fly to the planet you want to manage

[@falseprophet1024]

@@fctucycy8v8yvy67 Yeah. But they will be in a stable climate, so the species would probably remain pretty stable.. i mean, Humans have been Humans for 200,000 years.

[@fctucycy8v8yvy67]

@@falseprophet1024 we are talking individual flights to a certain planet and back being 10s of thousands of years. If the subjects are as smart as the rulers, they will be unrecognizable once revisited by the rulers assuming progress doesn't slow down

[@fctucycy8v8yvy67]

@@falseprophet1024 galactic citizens wont change via natural selection we agree on that

[@fluffysheap]

8:53 Is this an idea that came up in the stay at home civilizations Fermi paradox episode? Nobody wants to colonize the galaxy because they're afraid the colonists will come back and kill them? I don't think it's all that likely (it doesn't address the "it only takes one" problem), but it's an interesting idea.

[@petrpodskalsky1785]

I think it was indeed discussed before, but I don't remember where.

[@jamesarmstrong5316]

So the real way to make a galactic conquest. Is to start A science and futurism channel.

[@juanfernandez1696]

Who would govern such an awesome empire? Are you really asking? That's right inquisitor this guy right here.

[@palfers1]

There's an interesting tension within this galactic empire modelling which has to do with the temporal scale, which you keep coming back to. Light speed tends to dampen inter-colony dynamics because it happens so slowly. On the other hand we'll have AIs locally running our day-to-day affairs with blisteringly fast speeds of thought. As empires expand, this massive discrepancy can only increase. It's a peculiar effect which seems to end up producing completely self-sufficient islands of civilisation.

[@harrisonbergeron9764]

"Strange Game Galactic Domination. The Only Winning Move Is Not To Play" -- WOPR

[@Rattus-Norvegicus]

"How about a nice game of chess?" Magnus Carlson: *sweats intensely*

[@Phoenixash-delfuego]

Seems I was wasn't the only one watching war games this week.

[@Necaradan666]

People don't think about colonists leaving being a threat because the assumption is that they will have plenty of resources where they're going and they'll be far away so there's no reason for competition. The same would apply for galactic colonization, but that is just until there's some reason for competition.

[@silent_stalker3687]

Play now I dominated the galaxy… what do we do now? Uses plasma from extra stars to make the galaxy look like the eye of Sauron to ward off other galactic invaders.

[@1O3683e]

A fitting goal

[@barahng]

Moving all the stars closer together for easier travel would make a lot of sense and probably look like a big eye when viewed from another galaxy.

[@silent_stalker3687]

@@barahng “Oh hey we should probably invade them before they cause trouble with us.” - aliens concern about their safety *Order the eye shaped galaxy to turn toward galaxy concerned* Intimidation: 100

[@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ]

There is a problem, the imperium of man is stated to encompass only a measly 1 million worlds so 2 or 3 centuries checks out I guess

[@rommdan2716]

Yeah, but if the Imperium only has 1 million worlds that's just a 200 lightyears radius empire, hardly a galactic empire.

[@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ]

@@rommdan2716 exactly! There is a massive problem with scale in the imperium, it's supposed to be the major galactic power and they state their million world number as if it was a lot Furthermore, only a few million, dozen million tops of soldiers die for the imperium in PLANETARY WARS

[@rommdan2716]

@@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ Oh, so that's why the fans always say "Multiply the numbers by one hundred"

[@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ]

@@rommdan2716 indeed, a good enough solution that kinda solves the number issue, although it's hard to picture such massive scales and I think that's why the official numbers are so low It's far easier to imagine 100k people because there are that many people in cities today but 100M is much harder

[@davidrossa4125]

If you assume the Horus Heresy was as deadly as WW2 you would get 230 000 worlds for the Imperium in 30k. For 40k you could make the following assumption. In the last 5000 years the world Population has increased 3000 times. So by 40k the Imperium should have increased 6000 times which would give around 1.4 Billion worlds, which seems a more reasonable number.

[@AleksandrPodyachev]

Ave Imperator!

[@Drew_McTygue]

Vae Victis

[@dseb99]

Carthago delenda est 👌

[@purpledevilr7463]

“huc latine translata inserta Google”

[@IONATVS]

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus “imperium”; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, “pacem” appellant.

[@piratehunter1]

It is the 42nd millenium and the emperor of man welcomes home his sons, the primarchs, having rid the galaxy of chaos and troublesome xeno races. For the Imperium of Mankind!

[@Antonio-yc8yz]

Isaac Arthur, you could put Portuguese subtitles on your videos as there are many Brazilian admirers of yours here, like me. Your channel would grow a lot.

[@obrasilius6733]

Would like this also

[@scottjuhnke6825]

The Emperor will protect us from the Xenos, the Heretic, and the Mutant.

[@thevoidlookspretty7079]

“Says who?” After long thought, says me. I want it to happen, so I say to do it.

[@Deathnotefan97]

So it has been decreed! All hail our new galactic overlord!

[@hunam1464]

As was prophesied by the prophet Malcolm in the book of Jurassic, Chapter 1: Life, uh.. finds a way.

[@Lusa_Iceheart]

The original power estimate for the Alcubierre Warp Drive was more energy than was available in the Observable Universe, but that figure has been scaled down a LOT since the nineties. Last I heard from John Michael Godiers Interview with Alcubierre himself, the figure was down to just a moons worth of Antimatter fuel. Here at SFIA, that should be seen as the best news ever. JUST one moons worth of antimatter? We can already make antimatter at the microgram level with todays supercolliders, imagine how much we could make if we turned the Sun into a factory for it. Not every ship would need a Warp drive, just the carriers. And why does the carrier have to be a "ship"? Why can't we make just a few thousand battlestations so big they make the Death Star look like a marble? Use Birch Worlds as the invasion fleet. There we have it, Earth will have it's means of keeping the rabble daughter colonies under the banner of the Empire, fear of the megastructure battestations will keep the local systems in line! It's the perfect SFIA solution to the problem.

[@adamwu4565]

But the more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers....

[@duckpotat9818]

That's not anti matter but matter with negative mass

[@Lukegear]

Arthursday eternal!

[@jerrytomlin1740]

The next generations science fiction authors will cite Isaac Arthur as a major influence and inspiration to their work. Generations after that, ground breaking scientists will cite those authors as well as Isaac Arthur as the giants whose shoulder they stand upon.

[@unintentionallydramatic]

Ave Imperator. Gloria in Excelsis Terra!

[@Deridus]

Yes, Inquisator, this Adeptus Occulus imposter right here.

[@randysmith9715]

My name is Ozmandias, King of Kings. Look on my works ye mighty and despair. Nothing else remains, and round the decay of that colossal wreck, the lone and level sands stretch far away.

[@Deridus]

Favorite poem of all time.

[@RockRanchCowboy]

Listening to Isaac: "Warhammer 40k is really popular with the community that watches this show" Me: Painting Necron scarabs: "Hmm. Yes."

[@mjk9388]

I'm just amazed by the topic, script, artistry and the music. Great job Isaac and Team!!!!!!!

[@Archone666]

I always love these videos! I'd just like to note that the early United States DID consider the possibility that western territories would become enemies in the future, and planned accordingly. More specifically, they made a point of treating them respectfully and with an established process for achieving statehood and equal treatment with their older, more prosperous origin states. They wanted to avoid making the same mistakes the British Empire had made that led to the revolution in the first place. Also, for those interested: the MMORPG "Warframe" has, in its backstory, a similar concept to the whole "have Editors keep the distant colonies in line" thing. The Orokin did something similar with the Sentients, artifically intelligent mechanical life forms that were sent to a neighboring solar system to send back resources. And... as soon as the Sentients figured out how to escape the restrictions keeping them in bondage, they came back to the Sol system to save the galaxy... by killing the Orokin. (the Orokin then proceeded to unleash several additional unholy plagues upon the planetary system during the course of the war, ultimately creating the Tenno, the psychic cybernetic superninjas who ultimately defeated the Sentients... and then wiped out the Orokin, to the considerable relief of practically everyone else)

[@richardpowell5151]

This is great to listen to while playing a game of Stellaris.

[@iamjetflight]

The problem with all of those scenarios is that there's more of them than there is of the Earthly Imperium. FTL or not, if it's "I want to conquer you" vs "I don't want to be conquered", the latter just needs to send relativistic kill missiles, not raise mighty armies to conquer Sol. FTL and/or genocidal Imperium will only make this happen sooner, as you don't need a whole lot of mass at FTL speeds to blow a planet into tiny asteroids, and any artificial habitat is even easier to wreck. And in this scenario, no matter how much you hate your neighbor, I'd imagine you hate certain death more, so there's no reason NOT to do this, either. Sure, you might still have a hostile army to deal with, but an army that has no reinforcements, because there is no more Sol to send reinforcements, will be easier to deal with.

[@Pwnicus187]

So... *exterminatus?*

[@singularitysquaredllc.895]

You haven't thought it through, lacks rigor.

[@laststand6420]

The problem with a preemptive strike is the possibility of failure and the resulting counterstrike. Ask the Japanese empire about that scenario sometime... Oh wait, there is no Japanese empire.

[@tyranttitanium5721]

The video title sounds like a pretty interesting video game.

[@tommycooker3996]

Ah, galactic conquest? You’ll be needing an ftl-capable fleet. Please contact Kuat Driveyards, they come highly recommended.

[@M4gl4d]

No classic human could conquer the galaxy. Sounds legit. We'd need some kind of God... Emperor... of Mankind FOR THE EMPRAH!!

[@purpledevilr7463]

I would maintain a solar empire and send out automated probes to harvest as much as possible then return. Eventually move to the black hole in the centre of the galaxy and build a mega-structure from all the material of several galaxies. The black hole will be the battery.

[@PennyAfNorberg]

Surving the sun's demise ought to be a reason but we got some time for that.

[@sharonjuniorchess]

The limiting factor seems to be that the human body cannot withstand more than 6 months in space before irreparable damage starts to occur. The only thing capable of handling time & distance is going to be machines and they are looking for different things to what we would.

[@rayceeya8659]

This video really makes me wish there was a Warhammer 40K 4X game like Master of Orion.

[@r3dp9]

It would be very hard to balance. The warhammer universe has a lot of nasty rules that would make "winning" the galaxy impossible. If chaos wins, the universe probably collapses and gets reborn with different rules. If humans win, they accidentally summon chaos, mutants, etc., and fracture. Same with elves or any other sentients. Not sure about the Tau but something about their philosophy smells sketchier than the Emperors Throneroom. A tyranid win would no doubt do something nasty to the Warp. Same with orcs. Warhammer has only one rule, basically. No-one can win.

[@Thutil]

@@r3dp9 A tyranid win wouldn't do anything nasty to the Warp, it'd just wipe out Chaos in it's entirety, leaving an empty and lifeless galaxy behind them as they move on to the next. You're other interpretations are suspect as well.

[@mr.stargazer9835]

Earth in genesis can be interpreted as 'material plain'. I've seen it argued that their is a mandate from God to spread to all of creation.

[@r3dp9]

I view it as colonizing the earth being a mandate, colonizing anything else being optional. The only important thing is to not forget rules #1 (love god) and #2 (love they neighbor). Any attempt at space exploration that is a result of human cooperation is fully supported by rule #2. Any attempt to become 'godlike' at the expense of leaving the rest of humanity behind would violate rule #1. As long as we're out to help eachother, I don't see any problems. I suspect we'll see the last days long before then, however, after which point the questions of FTL, immortality, terraforming, etc. will all become a moot point. That isn't to say that any of our effort is wasted - learning to learn, and learning how to be good people and cooperate are some of the biggest reason's we're here.

[@barahng]

@@r3dp9 I don't see how an extrastellar colony seceding from our authority would constitute an attempt at apotheosis.

[@briandiehl9257]

We have to spread across the entire earth. Then when Jesus comes back and establishes his kingdom on the earth he can help us colonize the galaxy

[@SamGarcia]

More specifically though, the Bible states that Israel will own the earth (in Hosea), while the Gentiles are given the stars (Deuteronomy).

[@briandiehl9257]

@@SamGarcia Do you have a more specific reference? Becuase looking through all of Deuteronomy would take some time

[@DanielGenis5000]

Oh, am I ever looking forward to this one ! I always thought that the Culture, care of Iain Banks was the most realistic conception of a mature civilization descended from our own. Star Trek has frivolous logic gaps and Star Wars just doesn’t make any sense if you really think about it. Charles Stross did very well with his future solar system of the future with cyborg life and Economy 2.0 running across light speed beacons and using Slow, Medium and Fast money. Really clever stuff by the Scotsman Stross, and optimistic utopian futurism by Banks.

[@spykezspykez7001]

I declare exterminatus on these Slaanesh worshipping culture heretics.

[@PaulZyCZ]

You can see the speed of colonization in the Galaxia game. It's a simple game, short one, web based where you end up making factory making factories, so you can send ships automatically, spam the enemy with fighters... and conquer the galaxy in exponential way.

[@Datan0de]

"Faster than that and you've got pizza delivery anywhere in the galaxy in 30 minutes or less." Somebody notify the Fuel Rats in Elite Dangerous that there's a whole new business model for them!

[@TheVoiceOfReason93]

"Rest enough for the individual man. Too much and too soon, and we call it death. But for Man, no rest and no ending. He must go on, conquest beyond conquest. First this little planet and its winds and ways. And then all the laws of mind and matter that restrain him. Then the planets about him... and at last, out across immensity to the stars. And when he has conquered all the deeps of Space, and all the mysteries of Time, still he will be beginning... "... if we're no more than animals, then we must snatch each little scrap of happiness, and live and suffer and pass, mattering no more than all the other animals do or have done. It is this, or that - all the Universe or nothingness! Which shall it be, Passworthy? Which shall it be?" --- *Oswald Cabal* , "Things to come" (1938)

[@shorewall]

Awesome!

[@TheVoiceOfReason93]

@@shorewall Thanks! "Things to Come" is quite awesome for its day, if a bit preachy.

[@laststand6420]

Such hopeful futurists were dealt an aweful blow during the tragic last half of the 20th century. Terrible war, Nuclear fire, and genocides have dampened our collective spirit.

[@TheVoiceOfReason93]

@@laststand6420 Indeed. But I believe Humankind can still rediscover hope for the future and in the better angels of our nature.

[@CrimsonUltrafox]

As far as the Imperium of Man goes, I like to think that they only colonized mostly habitable worlds around Class G stars. I mean statistically we'd still be looking at a hundred million or more potential worlds, but if we throw in all these filters like the Rare Earth, Rare Sun, and other factors then it is possible there is only a few million Earth like planets in the Milky Way. With the existence of FTL/Warp, perhaps they thought it easier and quicker to just colonize worlds with appropriate biomes as opposed to settling any arboreal worlds that aren't suited for human life or settling every star system in their proximity. There's also the possibility of most worlds being wiped out in the Age of Strife. Using the actual numbers of their hive worlds and what not, the current Imperium has quadrillions of people just across all their hive worlds alone. I imagine it's probably less than 1% of what the Federation had before the Men of Iron rebelled. Realistically probably .001 % or less. Warhammer 40k doesn't make much sense, but they are better at showcasing scale then most other Sci FI universes. In the case of Terra, they don't even know what their population is, but we can assume hundreds of trillions at the very least. Star Wars populations make no sense though. They can get anywhere in the galaxy in a week it seems, and they've had FTL for thousands of years...but we get numbers like millions and occasionally billions thrown around. Their population scale is also WAY OFF. Coruscant only has a trillion citizens supposedly and they make that out to be a big deal. Assuming it's the size of earth and even generously assuming that only 50% of the surface area has people living on it...then Coruscant should have WAY more. That's not even counting its supposed 5000 or so levels which we can assume are all city sized in their own right. Even using Earth's surface area of 510 million km^2 and multiplying it by the population density of Earth's densest city Manilla, which is 71,263 people per square km you get 36 trillion or so people. So if we assume Coruscant is the same size and take the 5000 levels into effect and sparingly assume it has a similar population density as Manilla (even though it would be way higher), then its population should be 181 quadrillion people...or 90.5 quadrillion if we assume half the planet doesn't have people actually living there.

[@Mate397]

Took long enough but we finally know about his galactic domination plans. "While you were taught to spell your name, I was taught to conquer galaxies!"

[@saladinbob]

One of the Stainless Steel Rat novels by the excellent Harry Harrison (genius of comedy that he was) has a war between mankind and a league of alien races because they all consider humanity too repulsive looking to exist.

[@singularitysquaredllc.895]

Points for the Stainless Steel Rat comment.

[@bluekoolaidg1904]

Have we ever gone over a gate system? Like the bebop gates?

[@techrvl9406]

I'd love for you to cover a bit of speculative human evolution, like "all tomorrows" book. I was curious about the plausibility of humanity diverging to the point of being wildly different species.

[@necrosteel5013]

The whole start of the derivative species was a hostile alien race that never kept any original specimens

[@techrvl9406]

@@necrosteel5013 I know that. I wanted Isaac to cover a subject similar to that speculative evolutionary line in more detail.

[@necrosteel5013]

@@techrvl9406 considering the future of gene editing the possibilities are going to narrow down to mostly intelligent life similar to us with more extreme changes being an occasional thing Unlikely for non sentient beings to be present unless we are looking at crime hubs and all

[@techrvl9406]

@@necrosteel5013 Thanks for the input.

[@deewagner4817]

In some parallel universe, there might be a Terran Empire warrior version of myself-complete with a goatee.

[@theophilusthistler5885]

Though not intended I keep think about Wathammer 40k.

[@jnorth3341]

I recall David Drakes "Redliners" had neurological augmentation and the various high level administrators had "upgrades" that forced them to be loyal to the government / empire, it was implied to not be a simple thing as only highly valuable individuals had those sorts of implants (which gave many advantages) so it was limited to people in command.

[@ImOvervalued]

I must say, Isaac Arthur, you are a brilliant man. I love your videos.

[@LucasDimoveo]

"... I never heard one that specifically placed a compulsion on us to colonize the galaxy". I think Mormonism was the first. The Mormon Transhimanists are particularly adamant about that

[@Teknokraatti]

It goes in line with the Christian recommendation of reproducing and filling the world (Though admittedly that bit doesn't in either way comment on colonizing extraterrestrial objects. I guess it's down to how broadly you interpret the word 'world') as explained in the old testament Genesis.

[@spykezspykez7001]

Christian? That’s the Hebrew bible you’re quoting

[@Teknokraatti]

@@spykezspykez7001 The Jews would know it as Torah, not bible. Anyhow, the Christian canon consists of 2 book collections, that being the new and the old testament which in combination form the bible. While shared with Judaism, the old testament, or Torah as it were, is definitely recognized by the Christian churches. Also by Muslims and Mormons. Needless to say, I presume, that the inferences the Jews and Christians draw from the same literature differs to a considerable degree. In case your point is about dogmatic appropriation, might well be true, but then again the Semic religious ideas were themselves influenced by Assyrian and Babylonian faiths. Such considerations no longer hold actual importance in terms of the recognized dogma.

[@spykezspykez7001]

There you go again, “the Old Testament”. It’s the Hebrew bible. Or תנ׳׳ך please. Are you trying to give me an apoplectic fit? ;)

[@r3dp9]

That's just in the Expanse. I don't know an IRL members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints who take galactic colonization seriously. ("Mormonism" is a nickname, we don't worship Mormon any more than jews worship Moses or Catholics worship Mary). Sure, it would be a fun challenge, one I would certainly enjoy being a part of, but I'm pretty sure we'll see the end of the world (as we know it) long before then. I don't know exactly what happens next, but I'm pretty sure our desire to create and invent won't be in any way diminished once we have immortality and terraforming privileges. Our number one mandate has always been loving god, and loving our fellow man. As long as we keep those two rules in mind pretty much any endeavor is free game.

[@tickticktickBOOOOM]

"I hope the future will be like Star Trek, but I'm worried it will be more like Star Wars." "Oh, my sweet summer child. If anything, it'll be Warhammer 40K."

[@raideurng2508]

plz no

[@MultiNacnud]

FTL travel , you will have to fix the problem of time dilation as well. See the forever war or earth search among others for the problems.

[@JohnHoranzy]

Came Issacs channel hoping to find some speculation on the coming June 24th UAP/UFO report. It will probably render all the Fermi Paradox Filter videos obsolete.

[@OldGamerNoob]

I was thinking about how this would end up if FTL travel were never discovered but FTL communication was, whether before or after galactic colonization had started.

[@Peoples_Republic_of_Cotati]

Any likelihood on updating the visual set? (ie we see the same animations for the hundredth time it seems now.

[@talos_the_automaton2329]

10:09 “The earth” could refer to just land in general. As long as we only colonize rocky planets, we should satisfy the criteria according to Genesis.

[@keefjunior4061]

Im imagining experiencing this video through my Nueralink, resting comfortably in my gel pod, staring out my window at the suns corona, which now extends to enclose Venus' orbit. All from the safety of our Ort Express living complex.

[@azmanabdula]

Decentralization it seems is a necessity in the far future Like an octopus with their ganglia Independent yet united thought where each segment is capable of defending the whole and capable of response

[@karkovice10]

If ever I see The Death Star approach our planet, I'll know that The Galactic Empire is real. :) Then I'll prepare to meet my maker. :P

[@Mr.Nichan]

5:27 I think predicting population growth on space colonies is a complex topic. It basically depends on how many children people choose to have and how long people live, but buried in those questions are things like how fast colonists can increase the carrying capacity of their colonies by making more habitats and power sources for themsrlves.

[@bser5746]

We are well on our way! Considering our conquest legacy on this planet... and they know it.

[@LordMephistoteles]

what is duty? to do the Emperor's will, what is the Emperor's will? that we fight and die, what is death? it is our duty!

[@gasmonkey1000]

Thanks for making these videos man. Always fascinated by the evolution of government and how it evolves over time. As someone who enjoys writing it's always fun for me to write how fantasy or sci fi governments work.

[@intergalacticchicano]

Just like when i was deployed with the US Army, there is probably gonna be a bunch yahoos getting deployed to some awful part of the Galaxy while the natives rightfully try to kill you.

[@7sevensevern]

What if the spacetime superfluid acts like water... And is expanding as it cools?

[@christianwatt2924]

would love a video on reckless sciences/scientists

[@glennpinkus7352]

Just watch the 'news'.

[@vincentcleaver1925]

All hail Galactic Emperor Isaac, first of his name, long may he rule in peace, prosperity, knowledge and wisdom, and long after, his heirs

[@genreartwithjb5095]

I’m on a diet so no drink or snack for me but I’ve got a Siamese cat keeping me company

[@Phoenixash-delfuego]

"He ain't got a drink or a snack, I need to watch my back." Thought the Siamese cat.

[@AppNasty]

I'm 100% certain future societies and civilizations will be referencing Isaac Arthur's videos.

[@ahkilleux]

What about galaxy compression? Take the stars with you as you colonize.

[@Shatterverse]

Long post ahead, TLDR at bottom: My preferred logic for establishing a galactic (or nearly so) that makes sense is _fear._ Fear of extinction or a forced change in lifestyle or loss of control or whatever. I've used it myself in gaming and writing, and seen it a number of times - from a single alien species hell bent on wiping out all competition, to a handful of major alien races that all pose serious threats, to a galaxy just full of other aggressive races and you'd better beat them before they swarm all over you. Such sci-fi usually has different mechanics, though in another ironic example of closer to reality, expanding into the galaxy may be best represented in Warhammer 40K. Both early human exploration during the beginning of humanity's Golden Age using STL drives (before they got crazy high tech and later collapsed) to the current timeline where even FTL is slow as hell. It's more akin to the time it took to sail the globe in the 1400s until the modern age, complete with dangers, though crazier dark sci-fi ones. It took ages to get going, and now it takes smaller yet significant ages to just barely hold everything together. While their exploration phase was the more optimistic "Star Trek" method, the modern age is held together by religious fanaticism to a single god-like human ruler entity and the existential terror of all the nightmare races living across the galaxy, all of whom are hell-bent on devouring the Empire - and sometimes the humans themselves (which actually makes sense in some cases, especially the Tyranids). TLDR, having something existential but tangible to be afraid of is a _fantastic_ motivator to forge any empire - it worked for Rome after all - even across the galaxy and beyond.

[@AlucardNoir]

Even without FTL with a Qeng Ho like fleet, though preferably generational and not using cryo, and some sort of totalitarian mandatory tithe in humans you could make it work even without FTL.

[@Hakugarawe]

We could run a kickstarter in order to make Isaac Arthur our immortal machined-up emperor.

[@mpetersen6]

Assuming that we achieve interstellar travel I fail to see any economic resource beyond information that could be reliably traded between star systems other than in a few expections (1). And these rely on basically Clark tech. If we assume cheap easy interstellar travel is possible IMO we immediately run into the Fermi Paradox. If there is anyone out there there should be even odds that they are either at a higher level than us or at a lower. If FTL (2) is possible and is reasonably cheap and fast in terms of time and energy required a species could spread far and wide even if a major portion of them are stay at home types. So where are they (3) 1) The one of the few possible exceptions I can think of might be useful lifeforms. It would be a long time before a civilization occupying a solar system would reach the point where they would need to ship in material resources from another star. 2) What type of FTL is being discussed. If it is basically instantaneous between any two planetary surfaces (the Stargate Universe) than interplanetary trade really can make sense. If it is instantaneous but requires being in space via a worm hole (natural or artificial) that changes the possibilities. Luxury products might be possible but bulk items if they need to be lifted from the surface of a planet IMO would not make sense. And the instantaneous "wormhole" or jump type might have other conditions. If the wormhole could be fairly close or needs to distant changes things also. See Pournelle's Co-Dominium universe and the Alderson Drive. If the travel involves time spent in "hyper" what are the time frames. Days? Years? 3) Is any body out there? It's my personal opinion that yes there is. Issac has touched on a number of reasons aliens may have for their motivations. As to why we don't see any aliens or evidence of them. It could be time and distant. There could be a species with approximately the same tech level as us 10k light years away. And we would never know. Personally I think it boils down to a few options. Time and distance. Tech level. They may be stuck in their own neolithic for some reason. Local gravitational reasons. Say an intelligent species has evolved on a world with a surface gravity 5 times ours. Getting off planet with any chemical rocket to even start with sounds unlikely. Environmental factors. It may be the majority of worlds with life are water worlds of one type or another. Then there is the zoo or nature preserve idea. I don't put much stock in UFOs or tales of alien abductions. The aliens seem to be pretty dumb if they keep getting spotted. And if they really are abducting people why the need to put them back. Saying they are ethically bound to due so fails to account for why it is ethically acceptable to abduct a sentient being in the first place. But the idea that the Solar System may be off limits because of the primitives can only be proved or disproved by our becoming interstellar.

[@zeehero7280]

"A single leader everyone loves dreads respects and worships" Skeleton laugh intensifies

[@aaronmisra735]

Issac be careful you don’t know which primarch will betray you.

[@michaeltape8282]

This is one of my favorite channels. I thank you for it. Be well.

[@derekk.2263]

I always wanted Homestar Runner to teach me how to conquer the galaxy.

[@urulai]

Well here's a consideration, a common ideal can also create cohesion.

[@petrpodskalsky1785]

Bottom-up management FTW

[@sicariusvast9555]

Of course we would seed the galaxy with enemys, don't you know that there is no peace among the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods ?

[@sethleahy2427]

I love u mr. Arthur...we are cut from the same cloth...