Galatians

In this episode of the Deep Dive, Brad, Terry, and Mike talk about justification and how to understand this passage in light of honor/shame cultures. What was going on when Paul opposed Peter in front of everyone else? How does the way we live impact the truth of what we believe? #GalatiansCC

[@uglybagofmostlywater9565]

Regarding Galatians 2:11ff, Bible teacher Ralph L. Keiper’s paraphrased Paul’s confrontation. “Peter, I smell ham on your breath. You forgot your Certs. There was a time when you wouldn’t eat ham as part of your hope of salvation. Then after you trusted Christ it didn't matter if you ate ham. But now when the no-ham eaters have come from Jerusalem you’ve gone back to your kosher ways. But the smell of ham still lingers on your breath. You’re most inconsistent. You're compelling Gentile believers to observe Jewish law, which can never justify anyone.”

[@jenna2431]

How do you defend a gospel that fosters injustice at its core. What do I mean by that? The Christian premise is that Adam and Eve "sinned". God created these beings and put them in a garden where they could eat, but then puts a dangerous tree there and tells Adam that he will die if he eats of THAT tree. Except that Adam has no concept of what dying is because it doesn't EXIST. He's never seen anything die. And this loving god puts what I agree what Tim Mills says is the equivalent of a bottle of bleach and some cups in front of them. Doesn't protect them from snake that talks, which nobody seems to find strange. And then when they mess up, they're now condemned to die? Except that evidently God takes centuries to exact his pound of flesh because I guess he needs more people to consign to death, too. So every person is somehow held responsible or at least accountable for those people's screw-up. That's the first perversion of justice. Then here comes Christianity which says "We have the fix for that." Some ELSE will take that rap for you. Can you imagine someone walking into the court room and telling the judge "Hey, I'm here to take Charles Manson's sentence. He should go free now"? This is yet another perversion of justice. The world around justice is agreed to be "You do the crime, you do the time." But Christianity promotes this and by some reach of the imagination of a narcissist calls it "Mercy." And in the single most extravagant reach of narcissism, you're told to adore God or his facsimile Jesus OR ELSE you'll be burning in a hot, conscious torment for all eternity. No evidence. Nothing. But if you've already bought into being doomed from the womb, and that god changed sacrifices suddenly to include intentional "sins" then I guess that's not that far to leap. If all of this sounds ridiculous, it's because IT IS.

[@uglybagofmostlywater9565]

Your response is a way to look at it and it is worth considering for debate. I ask the same questions. The Bible is not a novel with character descriptions and intentions that lead up to each part of the story. But looking at it, further (via deeper study than just a cursory summation, as you do here) does put more details of God, humanity, and more "flesh" on a counter argument to yours.

[@jimmyallen9188]

History has proven that man has no hope of a remedy to his own corruption and guaranteed death; the Bible offers the only hope to be washed and rescued from our corruption with the joy of everlasting life. What’s perplexing is man rejects the thought of being washed clean from the pleasures of the darker things of life that leaves consequential social stains that in turn causes mistrust and ‘every man for himself’ that frames the mindset for assuming and accusing, all the while relying on temporal love of others that are subject to the same corrupt thoughts brought on by the same little dark pleasures that continue to corrupt the circle of life.