Game Awards 2023 was a disgrace for gaming.

[@Shmilia]

Best part about Game Awards was when Larian won the GOTY and Swen was talking about the employees that dying during covid while the prompter showed "Please, wrap it up", truly one of the momments of all time

[@plebisMaximus]

Please tell me that's an exaggeration

[@Raffze]

​@@plebisMaximusit's not lol

[@aimeeinkling]

I honestly think that the higher-ups were kind of resentful of the fact that they had to give BG3 the award.

[@Ecthelion3918]

Good lord, what a disgrace

[@_JPkun]

@@aimeeinkling Some people got mad because a turn based RPG won the GOTY.

[@calvinwilson3617]

Agreed. Calling it "the game awards" is disingenuous. They treated it as a marketing/promotion show with short award sections

[@Juel92]

Like bro......... that's LITERALLY the VGAs from day one.

[@janogabor7697]

@@Juel92 Yeah you are right and I wish they just dropp the pretense and just embrace it. Make it winter E3

[@Shinyolo]

The Game ADS ! BOW DOWN TO KOJIMA !!!

[@francistein8409]

​@@Juel92nah back then the devs have more time for their speech.

[@robertlaidlaw4592]

also how people watch it is beyond me, i watched it fully for the first time this year, and it is so dull, bill clintion twat was the only entertaning thing ive seen at these events.

[@TajinQ]

I thought the game awards was supposed to present video games as a legitimate medium, equivalent to movies. And yet they showed way more respect to movie celebrities than people of the game industry when it was supposed to be their moment. Not even a word about how terrible this year has been for the industry. Treating game devs like an inconvenience. This was downright insulting.

[@webbedshadow2601]

Well said

[@RichardPhillips1066]

Hollywood is failing for various reasons, so Thier celebs are trying to creep into the gaming , it's annoying cause it will cause game costs to explode

[@breezy3176]

​@@RichardPhillips1066and add shitty voice actors to more games

[@LuizAlexPhoenix]

Games already make more money and have a bigger audience than movies. But singular movies still have more cultural impact. Gaming figures often get stuck with labels due console wars. Regardless, it truly feels pathetic that these old dudes in charge wanna be accepted by movie stars. Be it the ones running or the ones hosting the show, they want to use and acknowledged by big celebrities. These people are not promoting gaming, they are treating gaming as a subservient art form and entertainment industry. I would pity them, if they didn't actively kick down on actually passionate developers. I just despise the sort to use the hardwork of developers to gather ads and some slight praise from celebrities.

[@PsypherWolf]

It's always been corporate gobbledygook, you're just finally starting to realize it.

[@ouroboros6125]

Larian: We want to dedicate this award in memory of our dead friends and collea- Geoff: Wrap it up you're standing in the way of my AD revenue $$$

[@vault29a]

nobody cared for that shit. all you wanted was that BLADE reveal

[@brainshack9077]

Thats not what happened at all.

[@crypticcryptid4702]

@@brainshack9077 It literally was though. He got flashed by the "Wrap it up" sign while he was mentioning the team members that passed away.

[@darkpyro786]

​@@brainshack9077There are no brains in your shack buddy

[@llamachai]

The fact that they didn't even acknowledge Charles Martinet, the literal voice of MARIO, officially retiring this year is also wild to me. Idk if he's been in any controversy that I'm not aware of, but to me that's a real celebrity related to the video game world.

[@Robertward111]

I'm still pissed universal didn't have him do the voice for, you know, MARIO!

[@PsypherWolf]

@@Robertward111 I love Charles's work and he seems like a great guy, but an entire movie with his high-pitched Mario voice would grate me something fierce. I would agree, however, with casting choices for Mario (and similar media) comprised of dedicated voice actors and not movie actors.

[@Robertward111]

@@PsypherWolf My brother said the same thing and while that's probably true it has to be better than Pratt's I believe.

[@PsypherWolf]

​@@Robertward111 Pratt was rather bland, but when I imagine Charles' performance in my head as nothing less than beyond annoying, so no, hard disagree. He was okay for the games because he barely spoke. I think it's just nostalgia speaking.

[@Phyrrax]

​​@@PsypherWolf Thats not an argument, first of all some countries dubbed it with Charles voice as inspiration and nobody was annoyed. Secondly you can always tell him to tone it down a bit, good VAs are aware that things that work for games not necessarily work for animation. Pratt took me out of the movie, most of the cast seemed to have passion for the characters they voice and somewhat kept the spirit of rhe characters...only the most important one came in with a bland voice. Thirdly if people can handle something like a spobgebob voice for 90 minutes I dont get why it would be a big problem for Mario.

[@enderkatze6129]

If memory serves, of the 48 minutes dedicated to the Game awards, only around 10 minutes were actual award speeches. And the fact that they turned on the "Please Wrap it Up" sign *while* someone was talking about someone who DIED, that tells you everything you need to know. Especially when the "Please Wrap it Up" sign was ONLY EVER turned on during the acceptance speeches.

[@GeoGyf]

The wrap it up shows because only at the acceptance speeches people dont stick to the script. The awards aint kidding about time, they even made the Holywood apologize for last year's mishap, thats how serious they are.

[@damienrichards9743]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it was Judge who made Geoff go, "well damn, that was a long @$$ speech you just gave us. Next year, let's not have that. This is a new game trailer showcase first and foremost, giving an award to someone is just the side piece". Like I said, I could be wrong so correct me with that one. It's long enough as it is with all the trailers and other stuff i missed, but yeah. Much love and respect.

[@MrProthall]

Yea, but Dumbass Maccanaoughy or whatever could talk and ramble like the parasite he is. Fucking hollywood assholes. Nobody watches the Oscars anymore. Wonder why? Because THOSE people handle it. It's shameful that Gaming Awards want irrelevant people like that on their shows for.. clout? Gaming is bigger than Hollywood ever was. Time to flip it around on them. Have THEM invite Devs or Voice Actors from games to promote their shitty oscars.

[@rickkcir2151]

Especially considering it was the acceptance speech for GOTY. You know, the most important award of the night.

[@LukeBeks]

This is the first time I felt actual anger from Josh bubbling under all the sarcasm.

[@Corusame]

Its totally understandable. The Game Awards was terrible and represented the worst of the industry when it should of been celebrating the best.

[@Solanaar]

@@DisagereetoAgreePath of Exile

[@Outplayedqt]

@@DisagereetoAgreeDiablo 4, amazing game with new seasons always coming

[@youareacoward8459]

@@Outplayedqt D4 is horrible.

[@Exel3nce]

​@@Corusameit was far from terrible, sry

[@LiliaArmoury]

the massive "WRAP IT UP" sign in the show to tell people who weren't sprooking spoke for more then 30 seconds was disgraceful

[@Jurgir09]

U don’t say…

[@12ealDealOfficial]

People accepting awards got thirty seconds, and yet Kojima displaying his newest hack slop with a known racist got more than double that.

[@theremix54]

Honestly, its fine. I'm sick of mediocre devs sucking themselves off on stage for 20mins over winning some nonsense award. The only reason anybody watches is for Trailers.

[@NotRealJustSchizo]

@@theremix54 There are shit takes and then there is this... Like what the fuck? Did your mom increase your lead intake during your childhood for that amount of brainrot to develop? Just wow.

[@vfvs11a]

@@12ealDealOfficial Yup, no way I'm buying a game associated with Jordan Peele. I watched him destroy his version of The Twilight Zone, every episode was a blatant leftwing talking point.had the "all cops are racist episode", the "the president is literally a ten year old boy" episode, etc.

[@CasualReaper]

Imagine working on a game for 6 years, losing people during Covid who been working on the game with you only to be told “Please, wrap it up” after you win game of the year. My blood would be boiling trying to not lose my composure. Such a awful disgrace to gaming

[@Sizzlik]

Imagine to win an award for the crap that studios currently deliver. It should be dated back 3 years..give awards after they delivered a bugfest and really fixed it.

[@vault29a]

the truth is, nobody cares about games as movies, everyone is there for the trailers, if you wnt to watch the awards that celebrates the creators, go watch DICE awards in february, but they have like 50k views when TGA has millions, bc nobody cares about a bunch of socially ankward people talking on the stage.

[@IHMyself]

Not just gaming, that's just disrespectful in general.

[@cheekibreeki4638]

Does dying "during covid" make it special somehow?

[@AdamOwenBrowning]

@@cheekibreeki4638 god you must be autistic to get frowny like a baby at the very words "during covid" but lack the sensitivity to realize you're talking about dead people. Yes, someone dying is often special because the dead had people who care about them, who lost them. Dying in general to a specific illness, yes, people will mention that illness. If someone has a long fight with cancer, then we say "they had cancer" not "they had an illness." Yes, during covid, it was harder for any business to operate - how can they legally, quickly and safely develop video games in an office if the Govt has told them they have to stand several feet apart? If the cops can shut their office down and send em all home if they don't comply? If anyone got sick with smth that isn't covid, and they go to a hospital... half the staff of the hospital can't even be at work because of "social distancing". Hospitals were the number 1 place that covid spread, and if you needed serious care, it was less likely you'd be okay because hospitals completely mismanaged themselves, and the Govt rules were obstructive. Yes, dying during covid does make it "special" if you're going to be that boneheaded with your wording, but dying in general is a special event to at least one person who cared about the deceased. Jesus Christ man

[@mainmarco123]

The part I was most excited for was Neil's speech if he won (so glad he did, he earned it!) He was so excited, he was so emotional, he went through so much. And after 20 seconds, the middle of his thanks, they rushed him off. It's just fucked

[@jack90054]

@@DeagleGamesTV And being the chad that he is, Swen proceeded to post his entire speech on Twitter just so he could properly express his gratitude to everyone who contributed to BG3

[@samf.s.7731]

Yes I too have heard he was considering quitting. He delivered an amazing performance, truly for the ages... 😊 And of course became the internet's favorite meme and boyfriend 😂 And he was rushed off stage like that, and so was Sven 😞

[@HarumiYu]

TGA is just a reflection of what the game industry became, extremely commercial and cynical, to the point it killed E3.

[@dylanherron3963]

What a surprise that the largest corps wanted to cut out the middle man and fund their own showcases. Some of my fondest memories, man, was waiting for E3, talking about it with friends at school. E3 '04 the Halo 2 gameplay trailer... shattered our brains. E3 was always guaranteed (so it seem at the time) to be fire.

[@SRFAA]

Isn't what killed E3 the fact that most of the companies who went there years ago no longer need to? Sony has their own stuff and Nintendo has their own stuff. Of the big three it was only Xbox who still used it. Even game developers are able to just do their own thing to advertise their products (like Capcom).

[@viziontrex]

You can't honestly believe TGA killed E3, do you?

[@dylanherron3963]

@@viziontrex I don't think that's what they were implying at all. The writing has been on the wall for E3 for 5 years.

[@SRFAA]

@@viziontrex They're saying the industry becoming extremely cynical and commercial is what killed it.

[@Kaotiqua]

I was stunned how many awards they just read, without actually letting anyone from the games that won actually set foot on stage, or say anything at all. I was also glad that I watched them in post, and was able to fast-forward to skip the vast quantities of pfaff.

[@Hoenir]

Yea, i watched post as well and from the amount of skipping, i probably saved myself 1:30 hours of Ads and hollywood stuff.

[@webbedshadow2601]

Feels like I wasted 3 hours of my life watching the whole thing and yeah 100% agree you saved yourself some time, I was so mad how much they dragged out the show just so they could maximize the amount of advertisements ffs and The Baldurs gate 3 devs didnt even get to speak for a FEW MINUTES! WTF. I will not be watching next year, TGA is literally just as bad as E3 was, ridiculous.@@Hoenir

[@twinzzlers]

​@@webbedshadow2601I was playing Zelda at the time and was getting so bored, just hours upon hours of ads.

[@theMaxTero]

Something that is worth to point is that it's VERY clear/apparent that The Game Awards is very, VERY ashamed of being a gamer award. Instead of being a celebration of videogames, it's trying really hard to appease to everyone, inviting hollywood celebrities that have NOTHING to do with gaming. Timothee, Simu, Anthony and Matthew were really out of place, specially Simu/Anthony who apparently are way more important than Larian because they were allowed to do whatever they wanted to and they took all the time to do their cringy bits (which besides of being cringy it's was really bad. They were trying REALLY hard to create a Keanu moment and now, no matter what, they are gonna be known as the cringy pointy scream dude and the cringy "backstory" broken feet dude). I have nothing against them but it was really disrespectful that Geoff allowed them to do whatever but they rushed and shamed all the winners of the award, including GOTY

[@darianstarfrog]

Exactly! It was sooo out of touch.. not by gamers..but celebrity veneraters

[@necro926]

Mathew is the only one that actually made sense to be there, because he was announcing a game he is starring in. It's like Keanu showing up to announce Cyberpunk. That's fine. Anthony, Simu, and Timothy had no business being there.

[@the_makers_ruin]

​@@necro926 I think using that logic, Simu was also there because he was starring in Stormgate? He was promoting the game on stage and they showed a trailer and everything.

[@headkicked]

​@@the_makers_ruin Neither should have been there. These guys were given more stage time than actual award winners. They were just rapid firing categories and winners without even as much as giving camera time to show the winners in the crowd. They read it out like a to-do list that they are reluctant to get around to.

[@necro926]

@@the_makers_ruin ah my b, yeah thats fine too then.

[@jarvy251]

The nepotism is always something that doesn't seem real until you experience it. A local brewery had a contest for local artists to design labels for a can, and I made a submission. Out of curiosity, I scrolled through the social media post to see who else might be entering. I found out that the contest got city funding after it was announced, and so a city councilor was made a judge, who was very openly close friends with one of the contestants. I don't think I need to tell you who ended up winning. It's a small thing, but it is disheartening to piece it together before a winner is even announced and realize "oh, I wasted my time, didn't I?"

[@RealityDysfunction85]

Seeing Todd sitting there absolutely S.E.E.T.H.I.N.G was the highlight of the show. You can tell he really believes he made an 11/10 game with Starfield. Its a rock solid 6/10 game.

[@unsaltedskies]

Starfield is a rock solid 6....out of 100.

[@quangtuantran7181]

rock solid, because it s 6 feet under

[@axle1717]

6 out of 10 is generous as hell

[@pyro5159]

6/10? You’re being really nice there

[@threatmaker]

todd howard isn't stupid. he knows full well what starfield is.

[@THExDUFFxBOMBx42777]

Neil not even getting more than 30 seconds for his acceptance speech was infuriating.

[@Phantazmay]

He had over a minute to talk. Did we watch the same show?

[@nathanmarden3754]

​@@Phantazmayone minute speech and 2 hours of ads, yeah we all came to watch the ads

[@Phantazmay]

@@nathanmarden3754 How else do you find out about games? With ads. It's a pretty good idea to promote your games when there's an award show going on and everyone is looking. I do agree they should've shown a bit more awards like Best Indie game, but it doesn't deserve this much hate.

[@Phantazmay]

@@nathanmarden3754 and don't pretend we came for speeches. Last year the God of War guy talked for 8mins and everyone criticized him. So clearly people don't care THAT much.

[@nathanmarden3754]

@@Phantazmay you're right the best part about the game awards is reading the live chat complain about everything. Besides they didn't announce titanfall three so no one cared

[@leadpaintchips9461]

The funniest thing to me is that this is just breaking news to some people. The Game Awards was _always_ about ads first.

[@theonegunslinger21]

yep, and there is award shows for video games with out the ads, and they dont get watched anywhere near as much

[@101lwx]

Yeah I don't know a single person who would watch it if there wasn't a whole bunch of new trailers shown off

[@Th3BadThing]

Not wrong, but this year felt more like it than usual, especially after Judges 8min speech from last year and people having less than 30 seconds this time

[@kirkkork]

I get tired of either being a larger portion. The trailers blended together this time I couldn't differentiate between most. I usually like to watch awards shows to see if I missed out on a game, watch some clips during nomination, get some idea about it.

[@sharlockshacolmes9381]

This year felt particularly bad, mainly due to most award winners having less time to do their speeches than the celebrity announcing the award.

[@Langenbacher]

Having a muppet and actors that have no relation with the gaming industry take up more time than Larian and Neil Newbon was a disgrace. Also having them rattling off winners without having them on stage was plain stupid. Especially the indie winner. We watch for the winners and we as players root for them! For famous actors they could have gone with someone like Henry Cavill or the wonderful Felicia Day. They are both famous for their love of gaming. I would have lost my shit if any one of them had shown up!

[@marystone860]

They actually a f-ing Muppet there? What the actual HELL! I'm just found out about this s%#@! I cannot believe they did that to Neil Newbon! Having Cavill there would have been cool as hell, but, that would required Creativity, Forethought, and just generally giving a s%#@! OH! IF Cavill was there, he would have called them out on ALL their BS, probably in front of everyone, lol! I think it's really ironic, that the "Game Awards", a glorified Ad DLC, didn't say S%#@ about Shadow of the Erdtree, or hardly anything people actually cared about! Calling the VGA' s a disgrace was just the start!

[@Outplayedqt]

Felicia Day is such a great suggestion! Oh, how time flies.

[@RichardPhillips1066]

Talking on celebs into gaming is one of my pet hats , I go to great lengths to avoid any thing to do, with celebs. Yes some are ok , but most are just annoying air heads

[@BrotherSham]

Apparently too the whole critical role cast was there for Matthew Mercer's game announcement, any of them i feel would've been a good choice too, especially since Laura Bailey has been in a tonne of games

[@hitofuuki]

It was weird as fuck to see Matthew McConaughey talk about games. It had some real "how do you do, fellow gamers?" vibes. I mean I kinda get Timothy being at the awards (considering his yt channel from the past etc.), but most of the rest was a mistake. And god forbid you tell Kojima to wrap it up.

[@Everfrost9]

My favorite part was when they would speedrun a half dozen awards off stage without anyone accepting them a few times during the show.

[@metalbobted]

I loved how they just swept sea of stars under the rug with a simple "good job guys" 😂, must have been so fulfilling for the Devs if they were even there

[@TastyScotch]

Work real hard for 6 years, dodge bankruptcy several times, create the best game in a decade, and we will allow you 30sec to talk about it. Job well done.

[@clumsyturtle8544]

And then half the gaming community hates you because your game is turn based. This is why we can't have nice things.

[@TheDapperDragon]

@@clumsyturtle8544 Don't forget the bunch of kids who've only played the newest Ubisoft presents: Zelda 'game' whining that it's not as good as their DLC.

[@sauwensvk7589]

tbf it's the same song and dance as last year w Ragnarok and Elden Ring... battle of tard rage​@@TheDapperDragon

[@TheDapperDragon]

@sauwensvk7589 not really. At c least gow was a quality made game. Not a dlc of Far Cry Zelda editiob

[@based-ys9um]

Bg3 wasn't the best game in a decade surely? Better crpgs like pillars of eternity 2 exist you know?

[@ShinPG]

Neil actually did give the fastest heartfelt speech I’ve ever seen. He should be a speedrunner

[@OilFreeFeathers]

Did you just assume his heckin pronouns? Tumblr studio- I mean Larian won't like that very much.

[@ricky3698]

⁠@@OilFreeFeathersreally thought you did something with that comment didn’t you?

[@choccy_bagel]

​@@OilFreeFeathers what is little bro yapping about?

[@Tiporax]

@@choccy_bagel dude's just fighting ghosts, let's just leave him be

[@theduck2970]

@@OilFreeFeathers You mad, little bro?

[@MrMordethrhedan]

worst part for me appart from the ads was the guy who talked having lot of time for cringe show with a muppet, but when the GOTY get announced they don't even have enough time to thanks someone who died and were told to "wrap it up" during that :/

[@MrDrelnar]

At least, if you want superstars on stage, invite the actual supergamer : Henry Cavill. 😄

[@axelolord]

It's weird they still haven't, huh?

[@darianstarfrog]

Hes too based, hollyweird only gives jobs to those with no morals and follow orders to spread propaganda.. ​@axelolord

[@OilFreeFeathers]

@@Shin-71Why would they stop tuning in? BG3 is a perfect example of why. It's a product full of corporate slop decisions written by corporate slop writers, and gaming consumers still embraced it and cheered it on. Gamers get what they deserve.

[@Vulgarth1]

@@OilFreeFeathers The first thing someone should do if they invite a time machine, is to go back and stop your mother from dropping you on your head.

[@RecliningWhale]

@@OilFreeFeathers bro what? You a spider-man 2 fan?

[@desolation1821]

Last year they had Christopher Judge just sit on stage for 8 minutes. This year they made a 180 and rushed people off the stage after 30 seconds. They were overcompensating and in the context of how many adds where shown at the awards compared to the awards being handed out and talked about, it really left a foul taste in people's mouths.

[@SephonDK]

I have never seen The Game Awards before, but after knowing BG3 won a lot I tuned in to clips to see them win, and wanted to see Neil's speech too. Both clip watches were incredibly confusing. I didn't understand why the hell the speeches were so short, why music started pumping as Neil expressed that "we were seen". So this made me watch some of the rest of it, and... Holy shit, that is a farce. It's a travesty. The Oscars, for their many shitty faults, don't do this; there's enough filler, and a lot of awards have been cut the recent years, but also delegated time to the speeches in question.

[@samf.s.7731]

Yeah they don't know why we watch it, it's for the nominees, winners, and Orchestra lol 😂

[@shinysparce3708]

It’s really a shame, because there have been some really great years for the game awards. 2022’s was one of my favorites of all time. This year… this year was rough.

[@tine1012]

It's because last year someone took 8 minutes for their speech. They timeslotted the speeches this year to prevent it from happening and they overcorrected. I'm sure next year it will be ~1 minute. It's shitty what happened, but they have a show to run. Similarly there are a shit ton of game announcements instead of just awards, because realistically they would have no viewers if they just did the awards.

[@tioraidh-tux]

@@tine1012i don’t know. it seems more like they want to pick and choose who gets the stage

[@ekki1993]

I can understand the commercial breaks. I hate them, but I get it. You get money off of them and they are often related to videogames and gamers. What makes me angry is the obsession with importing Hollywood prestige by wasting money on star power. It's a sad reminder of the inferiority complex many people in gaming have (even though the industry makes more money than Hollywood).

[@MrKamillordo]

This, 100%. I felt like this as well with Cyberpunk 2077 for example. First Keanu Reeves, then Idris Elba.

[@axelolord]

At least Keanu and Idris were impactful and directly participated in the acting of the game. Matthew McCoughcoughey was just paid to advertise trash.

[@MrKamillordo]

@@axelolord That's fair.

[@ekki1993]

I think Keanu was fine. He was IN the videogame. It's still emblematic of the inferiority complex but the problem is mainly that we should do the same with other mocap and voice actors. Don't remember hearing about the Idris Elba case, but I'm guessing it's probably the same. What happened in this award ceremony was unapologetically disgusting.

[@yangtsur]

I thought people were mostly excited when Keanu Reeves enter the stage last time. And there were Hollywood stars on stage almost every year for past years' events. The game industry is very large now, yes. It is said larger than Movies and other entertainment combined but most of the game revenue, comes from mobile games, microtransections... which are what people hate

[@dominicball6395]

As usual, this is top tier second monitor content; Josh.

[@borebos4831]

Lucky for Josh my runescape plays are so intense i cant put him on my 3rd monitor :(

[@merx3guy]

I think he deserves a raise to porcelain throne entertainment with this one

[@dylanherron3963]

@@borebos4831 I'm in your Mother's Lode as we speak, or whatever that place is called

[@zeriah]

Let me make it main monitor content real quick: Jiggle.

[@borebos4831]

@@zeriah I did too! Hate writing comments on 2nd monitor. Josh had the main screen for 15 seconds. It's pretty good retention

[@KPX01]

The saddest part to me is people defending we need more advertisement because they need the "fund" to run it...

[@swordzanderson5352]

now, if only they made a product that people would be willing to pay and not just want to see numbers keep going up. Keep expanding and continuously griefing their foundations, what could go wrong?

[@kyosokutai]

Only people who say that work in marketing.

[@enderkatze6129]

They had enough funds. See *literally every previous game awards show*

[@ProxyDoug]

I wouldn't call tha defending, but more like justifying it. Which is just saying the obvious really, but I do think the show would be cheaper if we got less famous actors reading bits and more time for the speeches, but that's far from a hot take.

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

Yes, what Gamers want is more talking and not showing..you know like when you go watch and Playstation and Xbox and Nintendo direct showcase and everyone in chat is COMPLAINING about how much "talking" and not showing more Games fast enough ..@@ProxyDoug Most peopel could Give a sh#T about the Devs or even the Actors they just want to consume the game..that the real world not the Ideal fantasy world you seem to live in.

[@tominatorxx]

You know, Game Informer did an E3 roundtable a couple of years ago where they had Sam Lake, Swen Vincke, Megan Starks (Obsidian) and Ru Weerasuriya (Ready At Dawn) to talk about game development, writing stories etc. That whole roundtable conversation was about an hour long, and it was extremely fascinating and fun to hear them talk about their passion, what inspires them, and the projects they are working on. Honestly, I wish that video was way longer. I guess the point I want to make is that it is infinitely more interesting to hear developers talk than watching another flashy trailer or a celebrity walking on stage to announce a TV-show. Having seen that roundtable conversation made it even more frustrating to watch TGA, because I know how extremely interesting and insightful Sam and Swen are. And then basically seeing them getting shoved off the stage kind of broke my heart.

[@Dead8Head]

I'm the not the type who gets emotional about passion and other stuff like that. I don't like my time being wasted for long tangents that could of been be said in two sentences. Not two pages about a bush. What I'm trying to say, I'm open minded to hearing the stories about game development and writing, when they get very emotional about it (Which leads to long paragraphs about something that could of been said in five minutes. Not 10. I don't mind the the personal flavor) . I just black out not that I lack empathy cause it is that I heard the same story about passion and drive from a gamut of people just with a template. Not defending the 'please wrap it up' at the game awards cause that was rude and insulting.

[@UlshaRS]

This is why second wind is doing so well for the entire team. There are staff we never heard before, and enjoy, because they were squeezed through the filter of seo marketing strangling their voices and love of the craft.

[@dunstonlion1342]

Watching them announce award winners like a list-acle, just shuffling right through dozens of awards while VERY CLEARLY looking agitated that they weren't currently running ads, was absolutely infuriating.

[@Spike2276]

Best indie? Who cares, indies don't even make that much money Best action game? Screw you Fromsoft, you already got on stage last year Best RPG? Don't worry Larian, you'll get your 30 seconds when you win GOTY

[@mrcteddy20]

Imagine if award ceremonies like the Oscars did something similar and only gave the actors less than 30 seconds to do their acceptance speech but spent the rest of the time on movie trailers and adverts.

[@AlbertoMartinez765]

More people would watch..believe it or not..the Oscars has had less and less people every year for like 20 years now..WHY they take too long and there not enough "Excitement" for the under 40 crowd.

[@MCC17011]

I'll be honest that would probably be an improvement.

[@Kralysk]

the sad thing is there's a lot of people who would see that as a good thing.

[@kurtmueller2089]

thats enough for Will Smith to get at least 10 slaps in

[@Spike2276]

​@@kurtmueller2089 if the Oscars were an all-star slap fest i'd watch the hell out of it

[@101lwx]

Geoff Keighley has been trying to make the game awards into the oscars for years now almost likes he's embarrassed by the nerdiness of gaming culture and wants to be as far removed from it as he can be

[@mchonkler7225]

Geoff needs to gtfo the gaming industry. He's exactly the type of person that should have been gatekept.

[@darianstarfrog]

All the more insulting , when we fund their lavish lifestyles

[@webbedshadow2601]

Geoff Keighley is definitely a part of the problem and hes no better than the videogame industry itself, the game awards is literally his show there is no excuse for this, Geoff is not on the side of gamers or game developers at all.

[@Nickulator]

@@mchonkler7225 Which is ironic because he has been there from the start, ever since he was young. I do think he's a bit ashamed of the video games industry and want to try to appeal to a higher authority (like Hollywood) when in reality, gaming IS the higher authority now (more popular and profitable than both the film and music industry) and that Hollywood should try to appeal to US. Geoff just needs to accept who we are and step up to the task! It worked out fine for the TGA in the past, but it has just collapsed these past years with this year being especially bad.

[@manictiger]

Which is ironic, because I'm pretty sure I could split him in half. In their attempts to avoid being cringe, they are the cringest of all. Physically and mentally weak normies trying to play lumberjack. Sad.

[@gtabro1337]

Gotta love how even the GOTY winners didn't get more time. Like... the medley was longer than the acceptance. _Unacceptable._

[@vault29a]

the truth is, nobody cares about games as art, or their creator, so everyone is there for the trailers, if you want to watch the awards that celebrates the creators, go watch DICE awards in february, but they have like 50k views when TGA has millions, bc nobody cares about a bunch of socially ankward people talking on the stage.

[@Zlyde007]

@@vault29a the truth is, nobody cares about your copypasta

[@vault29a]

@@Zlyde007 suuuure, mate

[@Zlyde007]

@@vault29acope and seethe

[@nethalar]

My favorite part about the Game Awards is when they rushed all these award winners but dedicated a solid 10-15 minutes to Kojima's mess that is written solely with the idea that its more then you can comprehend, your little minds can't handle this level of storytelling. It was cool with MGS, but now its just being overly complex and vague for the sake of it, and not because its actually a good story. 15 minutes to hype up something that isn't even ready for public because its Kojima.

[@ryanroche2442]

ikr it was literally just a mocapped woman screaming

[@umphreak9999]

@@ryanroche2442 don't forget the mocapped old man screaming too.....what does it mean?!?!?!

[@ssvineman]

I’ll be honest, I’m genuinely pissed that the developers behind Sea of Stars didn’t get to talk about winning best indie, yet Kojima got to spend 10 minutes essentially bragging about all the new Hollywood buddies he’s got in whatever the hell his next project is.

[@novurdim]

Honestly, I also don't understand why they gave a "best debut indie" some time on stage while an actual "best indie" didn't get any. Wtf? Are Cocoon devs like friends of Keighley?

[@Dusty_Inkwell]

Cutting Neil and Larian short on stage made me FUME... it was a shitshow from the producers. I'm just so happy for Neil and Larian for this well deserved love. Seeing them cry happy tears just made me bawl so hard myself. Neil's speech was awesome. You're not alone in this. None of us are

[@abnnizzy]

Larian had nothing to say.

[@bernardoheusi6146]

Of course not. They got an award. You will never have.

[@vault29a]

the audience didnt care for them either. the second day BG3 was released on xbox everyone was buying it from egypt xbox store for 15.99$

[@joemama-zm4de]

@@bernardoheusi6146 Actually, the proper grammar here is 'you never will'. If you're going to troll, learn the language you're trolling in.

[@bernardoheusi6146]

Oh a grammar nazi. What a ridiculous post.

[@122josh]

The worst parts were Neil Newbon getting cut off whilst talking about really serious subjects and how his performance impacted people so much they reached out to him or when Sam Lake an industry vet got cut off for an ad whilst accepting a big award for a game he and his team have been planning to make for 13 years or when Swen Vincke was talking about the devs who had passed away whilst making Baldurs Gate 3 and he had a big sign in front of him telling him to wrap it up this years Game Awards fucking sucked big time.

[@raonair]

I got angry at how much time was wasted on Anthony Mackie joking and telling people to shut up

[@webbedshadow2601]

THAT PART WAS CRINGEWORTHY AS *HELL,* THE WHOLE TIME I WAS LIKE GO AWAY ANTHONY MACKIE YOU ARE NOT FUNNY, HOLY CRAP.

[@nozzlium]

I was shocked when most of the awards weren't even properly presented. It was just Geoff naming the nominees and announcing the winner shortly after without any buildup or anything.

[@princessincognita13]

I actually flew out to LA to attend in person to support Larian and Neil, and while I'm so glad I was there to see their big wins, it was honestly gutting to see how poorly they were treated.

[@webbedshadow2601]

Wow awesome but also I bet it must be a shame knowing what the videogame industry has turned into, its not even about the videogames anymore its all about the advertisements just like why E3 died.

[@TaroAshina]

@@webbedshadow2601 This statement is weird to me. "People don't care about the video games anymore, it's all about the advertisements" The ads are literally video games. I almost feel the people that come for those almost care more about the video games.

[@prismriot4910]

@@TaroAshinathat’s an extremely disingenuous statement. People who are there for the ads don’t “care about video games” they care about entertainment. Obviously video games are a form of entertainment, but caring about the two are not the same thing. Finding games that you love, learning about the world, the lore, and all of the love and effort put into it, and showing appreciation to the people who created it. That is CARING about a game. What you’re saying is the same as if you loved learning to cook, so you watch shows about different recipes, ways to cook things, different things to try out, except your 30 minutes of run time for the show is 8 minutes of show and 22 minutes of KFC ads. And here you are going “This is so wild to me, the people who watch for the KFC ads are the ones who actually love cooking.” Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

[@TaroAshina]

​@@prismriot4910 I guess that just boils down to what YOU feel "caring" about a video game means. In my mind, if you like video games and keep up to date with them and want to play them, you CARE about video games, at least as opposed to the speeches. I guess you can take it to some fake-deep, flowery interpretation of the word care, that is NOT how I am using it. And I don't think that's how the person I replied to is using it. Cause if that's the highbrow, high bar, then most people do NOT go to that extent, and have NEVER gone to that extent. Most the people complaining here don't. If any of these people actually "cared" about these video games, they'd find articles online with WAY more in depth, personal interviews and storytelling about creation and hardships of these games. They wouldn't just wait till some pointless game awards ceremony for a dev to cram word salad down their throat. And then they wouldn't be on here complaining because they would be smart enough to know that this ain't the place to find that shit. Bunch a hot air in my opinion. And your cooking example, would that not label us as the devs? We aren't the cooks, we are the enjoyers.

[@bevvvy1374]

​@@TaroAshinaIt's hot air to want someone/a team to be recognized for doing a stellar job? What? Us reading an article will not give the devs or voice actors gratification on their hard work. Them winning an award when stacked up against other excellent games will.

[@its_deer]

absolutely abhorrent. it has the same energy as that time when some company gave hurricane victims who lost their house a free umbrella after posing for the companies photo op, completely tone deaf.

[@TheFuriousMulatto]

Josh perfectly understands what a "Game Of The Year" should be. All the people mad that Spider-Man 2 or Tears of the Kingdom didn't win fundamentally misunderstand that a game that is basically just a prettier version of the last game in the series should not win GOTY because it didn't fundamentally alter the gaming landscape by existing. It was just a solid sequel. BG3 won GOTY because it not only was the best made game of the year, but it also introduced a LOT of people to a genre of games that are normally very hard to get into AND set a new standard for what quality we should expect from an AAA game(playing Starfield after my first play-through of BG3 really showed how inferior that game really was, in all ways).

[@derigel7662]

But BG3 didnt change anything from any other larians game.....with your metrics they should have lost also lololololol😅 since it was just a "prettier" version of the old stuff

[@GeoGyf]

BG3 is AAA game. Larian Studios is AA/AAA quality (around 450 employees) and they used the Early Access to polish BG3 bringing it from AA to AAA quality. It wouldnt surprise me if BG3 had more people involved than Starfield. That said BG3 vs Starfield, they are different games. Starfield should be compared with other Open-World Exploration RPGs like Fallout, Elder Scrolls etc as it is very different than BG3. Just like BG3 should be compared with other CRPGs. However Starfield isnt that great in its respective sub-genre. For my part i think Divinity Original Sin is better crafted than BG3. However the superior 5 edition D&D system elevates BG3. The system has less optionsfor spell/effects-combining, but far better balance than Divinity's system, even if 5 edition is not that great). In the end BG3 won because of the romance options & scenes that are great for streamer material (plus many people long for those Bioware loosely inspired games, after all even a porn studio wanted to get on the Bioware-related sex scenes bandwagon a couple of years ago. This even reached the mainstream news, thats how i learned about it). IMO Solasta does a few things better than BG3 on the gameplay mechanics.

[@TheFuriousMulatto]

@@derigel7662 BG3 took a genre that was considered niche and made it mainstream. Not only that, but it is considered by many a person to set a new standard for quality in presentation, storytelling, player freedom, mechanical depth, etc. You're either a moron or being purposely obtuse if you think it's just a "prettier version" of previous Larian games.

[@TheFuriousMulatto]

@@GeoGyf >BG3 won because of the romance options & scenes that are great for streamer material Tell me you don't understand why the game is a masterpiece without telling me you don't understand why the game is a masterpiece.

[@MadDoodles]

@@derigel7662The only CRPG that came close to inspiring as many people as BG3 in the last 5 years, longer even, was Disco Elysium, and even that didn’t hit as big an audience as BG3. For the vast majority of the gaming audience, BG3 IS new and innovative game design, and we should be celebrating such an effort for putting that in people’s minds. As great games as they are, Spider-Man 2 and Tears of the Kingdom are nowhere near as fresh, SM2 literally started as a DLC and ToTK was rumoured to be too, and it shows. (And for the record I thought it was ridiculous a DLC, Cyberpunk’s in this case, was up for any awards, except MAYBE ongoing game but even that was a stretch).

[@herrquh]

It was super weird how half the categories were literally "X won Y" and they didn't even show the winner in any way. Not even a picture.

[@MallyMcAlli]

Someone did the math and out of the nearly 3 hour show, less than 12 minutes was dedicated to the award speeches. The people presenting the awards got more time to speak than the people accepting them.

[@JohnSmith-ef2rn]

The Game Awards are a purely commercial show masquerading as an awards show. It’s always been that away, and that’s the way the creators will always run it. It’s designed to make money. You need a industry wide representative body with due-paying members in order to fund an awards show that treats the awards as the actual important bit.

[@dew_b_dew]

Larian should have received at least 5 minutes for their acceptance speech. Same goes for any other dev who received a big award, like best RPG and best action/adventure game. It's insulting what it's become. Larian deserved better. They are so passionate about the games they make and a force for good in the industry. Imagine getting cut off while you're trying to honor a fellow colleague who passed away and didn't make it to that moment. It's shameful. The game awards should be boycotted if they continue this kind of behavior.

[@trxe420]

Every conference I have had to go to, every "golf event", every award show has been nothing but a giant circle jerking networking event. Nobody even remembers the awards or who won them, it's more about the open bar afterword's.

[@hunterjobrien]

the latter could be the exact reason for the former, but i dont think so with the internet basically keeping track of all these things. and the bragging rights. truly though it seems like honest people just fall behind the people willing to lie and cheat, so a lot will fall into the "Game" as Josh puts it. Do you hate the player or the game?

[@thechugg4372]

Oh but I definitely remember when the last of us part 2 won almost every award that one year, this was the moment I knew the game awards were all a show first and foremost and have no actual value.

[@NerevarineKing]

The Game Awards have the same energy as the Oscars treating all the technical categories like shit

[@webbedshadow2601]

Does technical categories mean like the makeup and costuming crew who work the hardest not getting enough recognition?

[@NerevarineKing]

@@webbedshadow2601 Yes and sound/visual effects

[@chaoschris8194]

Imagine if at the Oscars or something, most of it was trailers for movies that may never even come out.

[@Alorand]

I was expecting a giant hook to be used to drag people off of the stage like you used to see in cartoons.

[@AhamkaraMommy]

I might just be reading too much into it but it felt ironic to me, with how monetized the industry has become in general that they should interrupt a heartfelt speech to monetize was tragically accurate.

[@brook_angel]

I like learning about new games that are on the horizon, but a show called "The Game Awards" just isn't the right place for that. Especially if it means the speakers only get like 10 seconds before they are escorted off stage. It felt so odd watching it happen because we were like " what's going on? why are they all in such a hurry? Is there another event they have to get to?" turns out the event the producers had to get to was the next advertizement.

[@ceroscentauri7045]

The Game Awards has always been an embarrassment. Glad that fact has caught up to some people with the recent rudeness on display on stage with the winners.

[@ferenc-x7p]

My favorite part was, when they talked about best sports games and racing games and so on and they just ran through the list in 10 seconds who won and nobody was called up to the stage to take the award.

[@umphreak9999]

that was like 90% of all the awards, just list them off hurriedly after some celebrity wankfest on stage before cutting to more ads

[@sakuyaizayoi1945]

- The prompter telling Swen to wrap it up while he was talking about the employees that passed away of Covid during development - Neil being cut off not even half a minute into his heartfelt thanks - Giving minutes for a muppet instead - Pushing various ads about Fortnite or Honkai: Star Rail - Giving debut Indie to Cocoon instead of Pizza Tower (10 times as many positive reviews as Cocoon - But Annapurna (from the cute cat game, yay!) published Cocoon!) - Nominating Dave the Diver for Indie of the Year (not even Indie) - Alan Wake getting a lot of attention, but the devs aren't allowed to talk - 30% of the Award show actually being about awards I love the new announcements, yea. But the show in itself was an ABSOLUTE joke.

[@randomguy6679]

Hey, I get your upset, but Cocoon is a goddamn masterpiece.

[@Workers12]

@@randomguy6679 >clueless >2k total reviews game is a goddamn masterpiece, while pizza have 40k+ reviews >aware now.

[@randomguy6679]

@@Workers12 That only means that more people played it, that doesn’t inherently mean that it’s better. What are you even talking about?

[@firewolfandrewb]

@@Workers12 It's not a popularity contest. It's literally Debut *Indie* Game, popularity shouldn't be the determining factor.

[@ublabaah3908]

This 15 minute clip of Josh hammering in the same point with the same circulating examples I can easily imagine what the awards show was like.

[@fishmonger2978]

Corporate greed ruins all. They wouldn't even have the award show to celebrate achievements if they couldn't make money running ads and eventually someone says "we could make more if we ran more ads" and then here we are

[@Xfushion2]

I find it surprising that only just now folk are complaining in masse about how Geoff Game Awards suck, because they have always been terrible. They have always prioritized ads over awards, the acceptance speeches have always been too short, and some awards like best fighting game or music don't even feature a speech spot at all, which is downright insulting in a supposed award ceremony. Mr. Dorito show has always been an advertisement showcase disguised as an awards ceremony.

[@lesath7883]

The first was much much better. Probably because they did not have so many sponsors to hoard the time.

[@ferinzz]

Bg3 got a lot of people who were not gamers try out games. There was also a massive amount of interaction with the actors, devs, musicians after the release. They were not interested in the game awards before. There was not this interest in the people who created the games. But the game awards aren't for them. They're for the cod, mw, etc players who couldn't tell you 3 names of people that worked on those games. It's the perfect storm.

[@Xfushion2]

@@ferinzz Except from what I can recall a CoD game has never won anything alone game of the year and the previous two winners were Elden Ring and It Takes two, which are not _normie_ games and the former is also known for having a playerbase that's invested with the staff of the game. Maybe folk just started noticing or had enough of this supposed shill of a ceremony.

[@ferinzz]

@@Xfushion2 Like I said, it was a perfect storm. The BG3 fans WANT to hear the artists speaking. But apparently there was a really short timer?! The worst part is the biggest award winners GAME OF THE YEAR were rushed off the stage? I lump in CoD, MW etc with the group that Blizz fans make up. One 3-minute cinematic away forgetting any controversy occurred. The ideal person to tune into the advert show.

[@draw2death421]

Dont forget the woke awards and pandering! Lmao

[@berkclown]

The expectation of the game awards has changed. People now tune in expecting an E3-isk convention. That is what pays. If people and media didn't solely focus on all of the "new releases", "celebrity cameos", and occasionally "on stage fails" we wouldn't have seen the game awards devolve to such a level.

[@ShadowNexis23]

Next year they should have a 2 hour preshow where they have all the game reveals and ads, then an hour long main show where they give out all the awards. That way we can all switch it off once the main show starts.

[@lloydalvarez2819]

Wait... E3 is over right? They essentially just shoehorned E3 into the Game Awards!

[@Jurgir09]

At least E3 had cringe. This is just Fortnite ad simulator

[@Syrzl9231]

@@Jurgir09 there was a 2 minute ad for the Lego content added to Fortnite maybe calm down little bro.

[@clumsyturtle8544]

@@Syrzl9231 Don;'t forget the rocket racing ad for fortnite too.

[@Exel3nce]

​@@clumsyturtle8544and it looked all great

[@loudamir7390]

Best part was Anthony Mackie thinking he is way more popular than he is, taking 5 minutes only to tell the actual developers to shut up and then for them to only have 30 seconds to say anything about it...

[@Ashbrash1998]

I was thinking the same thing, like I was like wanting him to hurry up and do the award already.

[@Rynjinivar]

Case in point, I genuinely have to ask: who the fuck is Anthony Mackie?

[@the_ejj]

@@Rynjinivar captain america sidekick who got his own show to become captain america no one watched, but twisted metal which is what he was promoting got a season 2, not a bad show was fun

[@przemysawbrzeczyszczykiewi1211]

Who?

[@SocksAndPuppets]

You talk about how they "could have gotten someone involved in games to present an award" and I'm reminded they brought Matthew Mercer on stage for 10s to say "please watch this trailer for a metaquest exclusive game"

[@hendrysuawa]

Truly a iconic line of all time "PLEASE WRAP IT UP"

[@funklestiltskin6140]

What annoys me the most is that they could have their cake and eat it too pretty easily. Dedicate one day purely to a convention and announcements and another to the full award show. Since a bunch of company reps are going to be there as potential award recipients anyway they’ll be encouraged to have at least a few E3 style panels, even if they don’t have huge announcements.

[@BelisariusCawl]

Geoff Keighly's Gaming Fun Times is a blight upon gaming.

[@theangriestpigeon4403]

The problem isn't that there's ads or trailers, the problem is that it is a vast majority of what was presented.

[@SocksAndPuppets]

They started showing the "wrap it up" sign after 30s of talking (even for people who needed translation). They started flashing the sign and playing music at 45s.

[@AxisZtv]

0:35 The phone alarm telling Josh to wrap it up was *chef's kiss* peak comedy. I don't know if that was intentional but the comedic effect was immeasurable!

[@user-vg8ox3he1i]

Timothy was basically just doing an undercover audition for the Lies of P live-action movie.

[@fermyonds]

2022 was so memorable. This year's sucked due to how little time the devs got. I really feel bad for Larian especially. That said at least we got a Ben Starr meme out of this

[@Phantazmay]

They won the award and got a minute to talk. Why was this so bad? You wanted 1-2 more minutes of speech? Are we really complaining about 1-2 more minutes?

[@MorterMan]

@@PhantazmayThey made one of the best fucking games of all time. They deserve the chance to get up on stage and dedicate the game to a dead coworker without being told to wrap it up

[@nathanmarden3754]

​@@Phantazmayi'd rather a 3 minute speech than 2 hours of advertisements

[@lucyc776]

@@Phantazmay This isn't about "just 1-2 more minutes" it's about respect. The Game Awards is supposed to showcase the best that year had to offer, giving them a tiny window to talk about the outstanding game they made, or for their outstanding performance, is completely disrespectful and even moreso in the manner they did it in. Not to mention in previous years they would have had more time to talk than what Larian were given.

[@darianstarfrog]

​@@Phantazmaydumb take..ridiculous even.

[@vaercova]

But if we let the developers have more time then we’ll have less of Geoff ego stroking Kojima who had nothing to show of his new game 😢

[@mismismism]

The celebrity obsession in gaming now is so frustrating. Megan Fox on everything even though she's not a gamer and doesn't actually have anything to do with the industry other than being shoehorned into MK11 even though she sucks at voice acting. Pokemon can't make a game that runs but they'll break the bank to have Katy Perry and Ed Sheeran sing while Pikachu stutters and falls through the world. Or these award shows with a bunch of celebrities stealing the spotlight from the people that actually made the games they're supposed to be celebrating. It's so dumb and frustrating how corporate gaming has become. Like it's very clear that at all levels now, so many of the people in charge in the game industry don't actually know anything about, or don't actually like videogames. The awards themselves are basically meaningless, it really is all rigged, the draw really is just celebrating games period, not the awards themselves and def no celebs.

[@R_SENAL]

What was kinda wild was watching this scathing critique of advertising, and having KZbin bombard me with ads during it because my system can't block them anymore.

[@Dr.Strangelewd]

The biggest joke about VGA is that Geoff keeps inviting Hollywood actors and acting like it's a big thing. Look, kids, adults came to see us, they think we're big boys now!

[@Shinnouryu]

It was already dubious when there was an award for e-sport players, coachs, content creators... Which were already present last year. I'd have to play their specific games to know who they are.

[@proto6948]

How have i seen NOBODY talk about that one guy in the orchestra going IN on like three instruments?

[@the_ejj]

hes a classic, he was the star last year aswell

[@bloodshriker4430]

I remember when most major game announcements were done at game conferences like E3 and the Game Awards had just 1-2 trailers in between each award along with some banter between the hosts. The Steam Awards are much more interesting to me anyway since all the nominees are voted on by the players rather than some secret council.

[@levijonathansix]

Funny that you mention you thought Fallout New Vegas was DLC. It actually started out as a DLC to Fallout 3 but the scope of the game became so large that it was decided during development that it would be a standalone game.

[@masterplusmargarita]

I had Josh's opinion on this until yesterday, when I listened to the newest episode of the Windbreaker podcast (that's the podcast Yahtzee of Zero Punctuation and the rest of the Escapist video crew are now running). Marty Sliva made the point that the awards show Josh wants - where it's about the devs, not the ads, where thr awards are more sensible, where there's no random Hollywood celebrities - and that I want already exists. It's called the DICE awards and the GDC awards, and no one - myself and I suspect Josh included - watches them. They're simply not what people want to watch. The Game Awards are the big gaming awards show entirely because we allow them to be. If we want that less corporate, lower-key awards show, it's on us to give it eyes and attention.

[@VernulaUtUmbra]

Not going to lie, this is the first time I'm hearing of either of them

[@Joe-it2dh]

"Dont hate me for not having played New Vegas" I guess you got your next "was it good?" game.

[@hissey5581]

They could easily just do a Winters game fest or somethign equivalent to summer games fest, pure announcements and stuff. I dont mind the game awards having announcements in; but this year kind of was the straw that broke the camels back, with the "wrap it up" when ppl have been talking for like 30 seconds... come on guys

[@Retr0Static]

I love the fact that a massive big name celeb was even nominated for one of the awards, is exactly kind of person TGA would have botted a game director off the stage for... didn't even show up

[@webbedshadow2601]

Idris Elba? yeah that was crazy to me, big name actors are the last people who deserve to be nominated at TGA

[@datzfatz2368]

​@@webbedshadow2601 i mean, he played a kind of big role in one of said games, so I guess it makes some sense, but i agree with you for the most Part. There are loads of other people involved who deserve the spotlight more

[@Torguemada]

@@webbedshadow2601 Why exactly someone deserve less to be nominated for a TGA just because they happen to be a big name actor? Especially when the award in question is for "voice-over acting, motion and/or performance capture"?

[@phoenix0401]

It was the moment of Neil Newbon’s life - one of the greatest gaming performances of all time - and they played him off the stage after 1 minute.

[@phoenix0401]

Although, for my money, Tim Downie doesn’t get enough credit for Gale. It was necessarily a more understated performance but he perfectly captures in his tone a one gregarious and narcissistic man who has thrown his life away and is now surviving, not living.

[@TheDapperDragon]

To be fair, the fact that he INSTANTLY launched into divisive shit like he did didn't help. Not that I think he should've been played off. The man earned his time, let him talk about whatever he wants.

[@phoenix0401]

We are in a minority here, but I agree it is not the road I would have gone down. But he was played off thanking his agents. Let him have some time.

[@TheDapperDragon]

@@phoenix0401 Oh, like I said, I don't care WHAT he was saying. The man EARNED his win, you let him talk about what he wants. I may not agree with what he's saying, but I don't matter, HE does. And even if I was so hair-brained as to care about it that much, it wouldn't excuse their treatment of Larian as a whole at GOTY. I only mention him bringing up divisive topics as a devils advocate. More of a 'I wouldn't have done that' thing.

[@randomguy6679]

@@TheDapperDragonDivisive? How is thanking the gamers who connected with the game divisive?

[@MrBuns-yi2hk]

I absolutely hated the game awards. It's baffling to me that a show called "The Game Awards" was barely about games and gamers.

[@Teauma]

Imagine a Cannes film festival with all the runtime filled with trailers for upcoming marvel movies and classic blockbusters remakes and reboots.

[@sunderark]

Isn't that the MTV Movie awards. Wait is that still going on?

[@richardjones8846]

1:57 andy and leyley is exactly the hypocritical bullshit of gaming "we want women in gaming" >massive indie success completely done by them and them alone "not like that, we meant doing the exact same thing the rest of the men are doing but as a female so we can use you as PR; not producing actual enjoyable content that normies find scary"

[@luminous3558]

Yeah its so disgraceful that goodbye volcano high was nominated while andy and leyley wasnt. One was made by 1 woman alone and blew up out of nowhere while the other was only made to scam the canadian government of inclusivity in gaming support money. I seriously question what people think indie games are at this point.

[@ikeaira8701]

If the timer was set to 3mins for speeches, no one would have an issue. The reason why it's there in the first place is because of Judge Edit: I will add the GOTY Winner alone should at least be allowed 10mins tho because they are the focus

[@I_enjoy_some_things]

I for one would love a Josh Strife Hays horse enthusiast channel named "Josh Strife Neighs"

[@lordkrauser]

Or a donkey channel: "Josh Strife Brays"

[@Jixxor]

I was also very much confused wtf this show was. I watched it for the first time this time and it was really underwhelming. They even joked about it in the beginning how they apparently shooed someone off the stage with the exit music playing too soon. And they basically did this every, single, time now. Shame that all the big names in the industry put up with that treatment. I'd love to see them host the game awards with literally not a single big developer showing up.

[@DLT-po6to]

I never gave a shit about game awards in general. I only trust ratings from fellow gamers. I absolutely agree with you. All the corpo shit in gaming today really makes me sick. I just want to have a fun time but corporate greed destroys gaming right in front of our eyes. And then they have the audacity to stand there on stage and talk about how great they are and how proud and all that crap. I want functioning games with nicely written stories and creativity, made with love and passion and without any kind of micro transactions. You know, like games used to be 15-20 years ago. Everything else is utterly unimportant. I'm aware that it will never be like it used to because there is just to much money to be made with micro transactions. But the Corpos can't expect me to give a shit if they constantly try to fuck us and get more money with their trickery. They can talk all they want - actions speak louder. If the games and business practices are good I like the developer, If not I don't. It's just that simple. If I catch them only once trying to get more money out of me with fishy tricks and tactics they are dead to me. I don't care how popular the game might be. I don't support predatory business practices. And the list of developers I like is constantly shrinking.

[@Fusible_1]

I agree. There are some gems this year but each year it feels like it's dwindling slowly.

[@DLT-po6to]

​@@Fusible_1 Exactly. Baldurs Gate gives me some hope. There still is love, passion and dedication to be found in game development. Well, until EA or Microsoft buy them and start to suffocate all creativity or passion with corporate greed so they can start to shit out mediocre products for the masses on a yearly basis.

[@hungryal]

So far everything Coffee Stain has had a hand in I've felt has been worth my time and money. From Deep Rock Galactic, to their own studio's Satisfactory, Coffee Stain Publishing has my trust.

[@DLT-po6to]

@@hungryal You are right, didn't even think of them. I love Satisfactory. They just deliver good working games without any predatory bullshit.

[@CallMeGatchaJoe]

Every single person involved with games thinks this same thing, unfortunatly once this kind of things begins they will see how much money they brought in and it will only get worse from here on out. I'd like to say all the developers should just stop going, but they have already proven they are perfectly willing to just mention the awards and not care about anything else.

[@sharkx8176]

You can hear josh's anger behind all this talking and sarcasm

[@danieln6700]

BG3 trying to talk about how one of the devs died before release or whatever and get rushed off. Goty should he allowed more time then ppl like Anthony Mackie no one really cares about

[@xd3d034997]

10 mins of Kojima. 30 seconds of award speech.

[@Deqnkata]

I really hate how infested the internet is getting with ads ... One of the main reasons i got off from TV but now this is getting much worse.

[@tranquero]

As Seinfeld very well said: "Awards are stupid."

[@GamersBlogX]

I don't mind the game reveals and all that, but the awards part of the show this year felt like an after thought more so then any year before. I think that was in response to the one guy last year that just had a super long speech. The problem is they went too far by having such an incredibly short time limit on every single person. Especially for the actual GAME OF THE YEAR award. It's honestly ridiculous. I also think the random celebrity shit makes the show worse as well and is an absolute snore to sit through live. Glad I opted to just watch the awards after the fact this year. Hopefully next year they actually bother letting people talk about their games.

[@MixMeister5000]

Just goes to show greed destroys EVERYTHING.

[@cazabrow1967]

Worst part was there wasn't a single game I'm exciting for this year from the 2 Hours and 15 minutes of ads for them....

[@pedroscoponi4905]

I don't even refer to it as "The Game Awards" in my mind anymore, it's "The Geoff Keighley Show". They'll try to course correct, I'm sure, but as far as I'm concerned the damage is done. The TGA award has lost all semblance of importance. I look more to things like publication top 10s, the BAFTA, the games category in literature awards, and ofc the critics I personally care for.