Game Changing New 2024 Laptop Design - Framework 16 - Teardown And Repair Assessment

Frameworks second laptop is even better than their last.
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[@Vedant9710]

5:50 Just a clarification, that is the Radeon RX7700S which is the dedicated GPU. Radeon 780M is the Integrated GPU that comes with the base model

[@HughJeffreys]

Yes you're correct, I was reading what Windows reports in the "System" page. It doesn't show the dedicated GPU in the list of specs.

[@Vedant9710]

​@@HughJeffreysI'm pretty sure it never shows the dedicated GPU there for some reason, the only place it shows them is the Performance Tab of Task Manager and Device Manager

[@stealth1428]

@@Vedant9710you can also check it in display settings

[@mohammadrifqisatriamas7311]

@@Vedant9710 or using win+R and type dxdiag

[@siyzerix]

@@HughJeffreys Will you cover modern gaming laptops like the acer nitro 5 which pack upgradable ram, storage. And replaceable battery and wifi card? With a 2.5' bay. Its also pretty repairable too. Like most gaming laptops.

[@samtheruby]

I love how even the battery has a notice "this battery is replaceable" instead of all thew warnings on most batteries, I'll definitely buy a Framework as my new laptop next time I need a new one.

[@araigumakiruno]

really pushing the emphasis that, this is your device, it is your right to fix and customize it. Framework really outdid themselves at this point

[@SlartiMarvinbartfast]

Just imagine if Apple and some other laptop manufacturers weren't so incredibly greedy and controlling, they could easily do this. But they won't because they have this insatiable desire to milk people for every last cent (and then some).

[@user-uu9kk1yp5w]

you still can use a screwdriver to replace battery in any modern laptop. Just another shit comment of a person who doesn't used framework shit any single day @@SlartiMarvinbartfast. Milking people is more about releasing new mobo and gpu extention that fits only new chassie. Or 50 bucks ports. Framework is a cool thing for geek review videos, but not for daily usage. It's just mediocre quality, overpriced laptop

[@mysticaxolotl8215]

@@wingit7335 You obviously missed the "it's open source, anyone can make and sell a module" point that was brought up multiple times in this video

[@SlartiMarvinbartfast]

@@wingit7335 Hugh mentioned at least twice that it's open source. Try paying attention next time.

[@Keaten88]

Yep. Definitely my next laptop. I was afraid they'd fall through, go bankrupt, whatever. But here they are with a second fantastic product.

[@bradhaines3142]

they've been on backorder more than a few times. as a business it appears they're doing great, hopefully they keep the momentum going

[@William_Nowin]

Hopefully they will still be around when my current laptop breaks or wears out

[@leonro]

Technically their second product was the 12th gen Intel model, which already was good enough to increase my confidence in them for the long term... But this one pretty much seals the deal.

[@leonro]

​@@bradhaines3142It's still a bit unclear whether Framework are producing enough to be profitable, but it's definitely a good sign for their popularity, and a bad sign for anyone who wants them to expand to other markets. No way they'll dip their toes into other countries if they can't even satisfy demand for their existing markets. It'll only make the waiting list worse, and usually people actually need a laptop when they are buying one.

[@bradhaines3142]

@@leonro theyve already said theyre trying to get into other countries, its just not easy to get all the paperwork straight. plus waiting on goverments to do their part im sure eats most of the time

[@thorium9190]

5:50 the Radeon 780M is an integrated gpu with the cpu. The Radeon RX 7700S is the dedicated GPU

[@roby2336]

YES, that was a huge mistake!

[@HughJeffreys]

Yes you're correct, I was reading what Windows reports in the "System" page. It doesn't show the dedicated GPU in the list of specs.

[@20NBA01]

@@roby2336 You could say it was a Hugh mistake

[@PieMK6R]

Got a 780m in my legion go and that things a beast for 30watts

[@t7a9]

i've never heard of that account skip method ever. nice job hugh

[@Ebalosus]

Same. Usually it's alt-F10 and a few lines in cmd to get around it.

[@Wazzaps]

​@@TechBitesArDoesn't work in the newest versions, it requires you to go online

[@adrian_galatic]

taskkill /F /IM oobenetworkconnectionflow.exe multiple times 6-7, until Next button is enabled

[@DeteCT0R]

@@Wazzaps Nah you can just type anything in the email field and password you get error and an option for Offline account.

[@darjanator]

Alex on Short Circuit found that if you put a thick thermal pad below the stamped steel plate where the keyboard sits to brace it more, it improves the feel of the keyboard substantially. Removes most of the flex that makes the keyboard feel mushy. Hopefully Framework will include one pre-applied to the bottom of the plate with retail models.

[@noone-ld7pt]

God I love framework. 100% my next laptop!

[@BillAnt]

This is a Right2Repair guy's dream laptop (Hello Louis Rossmann ;), with everything modular and easily fixable/upgradable. Wow! :)

[@billklatsch5058]

@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf I had one of those, there is no comparison between these. Alienware`s were supposed to be customisable not upgradable for a steep markup (insane power tho) . Times have changed and the target group is a different one.

[@patrickcardon1643]

I don't mind a lot of screws as long as I don't have to look around for hidden screws on top or bottom. This is how all equipment, not only computers, should be made. Just use the code to get the spare part from the manufacturer and move on. Be able to mod it, clean it, repair it. The 16 is on my list as a company purchase and later a personal one

[@trk1b28varianrhesa4]

There is a not evil reason why this kind of thing left out by Computer manufacturing companies. It's expensive and heavy

[@kiattim2100]

​@@trk1b28varianrhesa4 but many more evil reaaon.

[@JustAPersonWhoComments]

The DIY options and the variety of customizable components and the inclusion of a modular top case and LED Matrix displays is a brilliant move. It's great to see a company prioritizing repairability and sustainability. Great review Hugh!

[@bluephreakr]

Funny thing about the DIY edition is they build it first before disassembly, packaging and shipment to the end-user. Framework needs to invest in a test rig for component validation or just _send it_ and resolve problems as they occur if they wish to further cut costs. But the end-user can also cut costs their own way - they can purchase the components separately themselves, and the Framework forum likely has a component checklist for people who take this approach so after a few months of investing into individual components, they can build the laptop themselves _just like_ the DIY edition, but more hardcore.

[@manitoba-op4jx]

i wish a standard for USB displays existed, i'd totally want a screen or touchscreen that can go in place of the numpad, keyboard, or trackpad

[@drayke8886]

@@manitoba-op4jx I was so disappointed seeing useless (and imo ugly) matrix leds instead a screen or touchscreen. Hopefully next time.

[@drayke8886]

@@bluephreakr lol that's so stupid I hope it's false. DIY is cheaper to buy but costs more to manufacture xD

[@bluephreakr]

@@drayke8886 Nah, Framework investor Linus Sebastian of Linus Tech TIps fame has been at the factory, displayed some video of it, and that _is_ what they were doing. Not sure if they _still_ do it, but it wwas brought up recently, _yet again_ in LTT's 16-inch review.

[@evextechreviews]

They‘ve done it. THEY‘VE ACTUALLY DONE IT!!!! Alright! They convinced me! Im gettin‘ a framework! Edit: Ya might be overdoin it with the likes… (Thank you)

[@amanfrom2034]

Yes, this is the ultimate laptop!

[@evextechreviews]

@@amanfrom2034 Y‘know what?! Originally i wanted to buy a new mac. But Now?! After seeing this?! NO CHANCE. Im gettin‘ a framework! And im gonna do it on linux! THIS is a MAC KILLER. THIS. Is a laptop! And that‘s worth 2 Grand to me!

[@soupdrinker72]

time to change your name to thedudewithdaframework lol

[@evextechreviews]

@@soupdrinker72 Yes. That‘ll be rebrand number five then. 😂

[@charleskadletc2431]

This is really a WOW MOMENT.

[@Basil_left]

There's a quick keyboard mod that can fix the typing, put a thermal pad on top of the exposed cooler, it provides support to the metal midframe and massively helps

[@ChrisTian-sd5yq]

yeah by ltt, similar to keyboard mod

[@sihamhamda47]

Or a piece of folded paper if you don't want to feel hot while typing (as thermal pad transfers heat directly from the cooler to midframe)

[@robonator2945]

​@@sihamhamda47 if you're cold they're cold, give your cat a warm keyboard to sit on.

[@willm5032]

100% they'll update the keyboard in the next revision though

[@leonro]

​@@sihamhamda47It shouldn't really transfer much heat if you don't place it on heat-producing components.

[@vguy488]

This looks like an amazing piece of hardware. From this point forward, on my radar for my next laptop purchase. Cheers!

[@LatvianVideo]

5:49 "This module contains the Radeon 780M graphics card" Thats the iGPU, the module has a RX 7700S. Could even see it on the packaging when unboxing

[@harryroesser3916]

If I had enough money to buy this. I would definitely. Holy cow, this is an amazing laptop. And I love your videos. Why am I always getting so many likes?

[@MrWolf-em6ke]

i would recommend looking for a used one as extra parts for them are everywhere with time prices will fall

[@BillAnt]

At 8:52 "It's kilometers ahead of the competition" While I dislike "miles", in this case "It's miles ahead of the competition" has a nicer ring to it. lol

[@harryroesser3916]

@@MrWolf-em6ke Well yes

[@mrgrumpy888]

Probably my next laptop in 2025 when it's time to retire my macbook. I just wish that the battery would slide in and out like the GPU does. Besides this small-ish complaint, this laptop is 99% perfection.

[@maxdemian6312]

Mad respect for making the framework open to third parties

[@JackyWHC01]

I love how modular the laptop is and you can customize with your need, instead of just use the preset from the manufacturer. I wish I can buy this laptop in my country.

[@Ebalosus]

Ditto. They're available in Hugh's country, but not mine, even though we're just across the ditch.

[@AndrewTSq]

My Powerbook 540c back in the 90ies was the same. You could remove the diskdrive, put a extra battery instead there,, or a pcmcia port etc. The cpu was on a replaceable pcb. you could upgrade the 68040 to a PowerPC cpu (which is a completely different cpu architecture!).... but this was back in the 90ies ofcourse.

[@1993MAZDAMIATA]

I think its quite funny how alot of these things used to be common in laptops but people forgot.

[@curtisj2165]

True

[@drayke8886]

@@curtisj2165 even PCU on standalone PCV. But everything has to be small and pretty now, with life of 4 years for high end machines.

[@siyzerix]

They still are. Now almost exclusively found on gaming laptops. People always had the choice and still do. Except people chose to go for shitty thin and light laptops. Heck even gaming laptops have had replaceable gpu's, cpu's, etc.

[@1993MAZDAMIATA]

@@siyzerix yeah my dad has a legion laptop with a replaceable battery and stuff. It’s pretty slick

[@siyzerix]

@@1993MAZDAMIATA And what's weird is people pretend framework is the first and only laptop that lets you upgrade them. Current and past gaming laptops let you upgrade almost the same if not greater amount.

[@TheUltimateRecycler]

Thanks for the walk-through Hugh! What a great product! They'll be making a sale to me soon!😃👍

[@Zx7o.]

I just upgraded my laptop a couple months ago but I'll definitely be keeping an eye on framework laptops in the future. Definitely love the idea of an upgradable laptop 🔥🔥

[@blakecasimir]

Wonderful. This is the tech design example to follow in the 2020s. I only wish that Framework were more readily available and affordable in the UK.

[@drayke8886]

If they are not affordable in the UK I wonder who buys them... But yeah, I bought better laptop (spec) for $750 where weaker Framework is $1522 before taxes (so +21% for me). But I will have to upgrade soon enough... ;/ Also my laptop (Lenovo) won't charge with other than shipped charger, even with slightly weaker lenovo charger from previous model and I don't know how to disable it.

[@TheSpotify95]

This HAS to be the next laptop I purchase, should I need one in the future. Thanks for the insight into this, it looks even better than the Framework 13.

[@drayke8886]

Just so you can buy wisely there are others who do this like Clevo. Google modular laptop

[@navorski7660]

I love this idea. Only thing thats keeping me away from this is its price sadly :(

[@adredy]

only 1700£ base model :)

[@Emiichoco]

​@@adredyyea only

[@Rmm1722]

Awesome work guys 👍👏

[@jhonatanfernandez70]

Hello Hugh, i'm a big fan of yor channel, i rarely miss your new videos. i just want to say that your videos are amazing and made me gain more confidence in my work as a technician, i work with computers and cellphones, mostly in hardware repairs. i just want to suggest you to make a video talking about the now-dead ARA Project, developed originally by Google and which was supposed to make modular phones like the Framework 16. I send you greetings form my country in South america, Bolivia.

[@brandonsquest6440]

Taking apart a laptop like that is just so beautiful with how simple it is and i love it

[@Sirruthford]

So glad I got this videovin my feed

[@858Markus]

Always built my pc´s on my own, and the prospect of a laptop this upgradable is just fantastic. Not cheap, but in the long run, where you can change the individual parts you want, is cheaper. I have a bad feeling the next Christmas I will grant my self a nice Framework 16.

[@fkwtal]

This is an amazing laptop with great concepts and I wish this would become industry standard! It all looks very stable and sturdy. The only thing I wonder is whether the pins connecting the components to the mainboard are that stable without additional pressure from screws or clips? But we'll see in the long run.

[@Tofupancho]

“..as all these screws are LABELED and CAPTIVE..” I want to blast this clip over and over at every other laptop OEM’s booth at every trade show. I’ll learn to DJ and make special LABELED and CAPTIVE remixes of popular music. It’s unlikely I’d actually do it, but the thought of a LABELED and CAPTIVE tattoo crossed my mind.

[@sharuku_zero]

I absolutely love what Framework is doing. Hope to see a convertible with a touchscreen and pen support in the future. I would buy immediately one if they manage to develop a Framework convertible like a Surface Laptop Studio. Maybe Microsoft could partner with Framework to make the next Surface Laptop Studio as modular as the Framework. But that is wishful thinking ...

[@drayke8886]

Microsoft would buy them just to shut them down

[@Leonsimages]

Love the review, but casually sliding in that Win 11 login bypass is also really helpful!

[@IntelliPocalypse]

"But if you can replace the GPU, thats a huge security risk 😢" -Apple probably

[@BozQ]

Bravo! Extremely impressive! 👏

[@berrywin]

Absolutely brilliant!

[@TiberiuLupescu]

The dedicated GPU is not the 780M, but Radeon 7700S. 780M is the integrated GPU.

[@jaymueze]

Nice video👍 Your content is very interesting, keep it up. Best regards from Germany

[@imamalox]

The entire time while watching the disassembly of this laptop I kept seeing something and going "OH FFS OF COURSE THAT'S REPLACABLE TOO??". This laptop is a fascinating machine. Might get a Framework next time I need a laptop :)

[@gsharpshooter80]

I’m in batch 5, can’t wait to get mine!!

[@clarkesuperman]

I love watching Huge Effries

[@luisteloarriaga]

Absolutely awesome!!!👏

[@aerodigital]

I had an ASUS ROG laptop that had a 1070 in it, which was removable. I will buy my next laptop from them for sure, I want to see it for myself. Thanks for the in-depth look.

[@jinnzoln9063]

This is so cool. I’ve never been interested in buying a laptop but after seeing this I’m really interested to see how far they go with it.

[@JoseLgamer05]

Damn, if I was looking for a laptop I would most definitely get this one, although mine is still doing quite well, and it's decently modular for a more normal gaming laptop. Maybe in a few years, even tho price to specs isn't all that great, but gpu come out

[@aurelf3158]

Wow ,Cool concept !

[@Will-rl8rs]

Thanks for the tip re: Windows 11 local account. Didn't realize we could do that!

[@FakeJeep]

FINALLY... I've been waiting on this since the first release. Since MXM seems to be dead there's finally another option for when your GPU dies....

[@Danspy501st]

I had been leaning more and more into getting a Framework Laptop as my work laptop if I need it for school and such. The only problem is they arent able yet in where I live. But when they are I for sure will get one

[@otakukj]

This is honestly fucking awesome! I hope this catches on!!!

[@pawel7196]

I bought Clevo design laptop with removable battery, ram, easy access to cooling, replaceable screen (just the screen not the entire assembly), keyboard and touchpad. Little plastic as well due to magnesium alloy frame but if I ever need an upgrade, this will definitely be a consideration. I'm based in UK so hopefully they do ship here. They do require recognition for this achievement and level of support.

[@NoobsDeSroobs]

I wish they could ship to Norway already! I really wanted a Framework laptop.

[@05Matz]

Nice! Definitely all the features (upgradability, open ecosystem, easily exchangeable parts, good repair aids, good Linux driver support, etc.) I'd look for in a laptop if I was currently in the market for one. A bit pricey for me though, but that's to be expected with new, envelope-pushing stuff from a smaller company.

[@craiglortie8483]

also remember that you can upgrade at your pace. not come up with a lump sum at one time. that and going from intel to amd at any point. i know my life isn't so friendly that i can fork over $500+ at anytime, this would let you do mb, ram, screen, or gpu without having to upgrade anything else. kinda reminds me of how i upgrade my pc at home.

[@kittytrail]

now if only they offered a _TarckPoint™_ equipped keyboard... 😏

[@bethhentges]

Love it!

[@Pro720HyperMaster720]

5:49 You misspelled there, it contains the RX 7700S graphics card, the 780M is the integrated one that mentioned later

[@TheLegitAlpha]

I got the top of the line specs for my preorder. Also got LED matrix to use as a battery indicator.

[@wokzhongson]

correction: the integrated graphics are the Radeon 780M, and the dedicated GPU module is a Radeon RX 7700S

[@ichhabahnung]

the framework 16 looks awesome!

[@nancyoffenhiser4916]

I can just see the stock market tickers one side for New York stock exchange. The other one for Nasdaq going on those LEDs on the side! 💯💯❤️❤️

[@CiberBago]

Amazing!

[@buixote]

So great!

[@ddvantandar-kw7kl]

Great configuration.

[@ultraviolettp3446]

Fantastic laptop. This is how it should be done!

[@motherofallemails]

Good idea. Hate the gimmicky number pad that comes with most PC's, nice to see this!

[@thewunderhase]

Thats awesome.

[@Kevin_geekgineering]

that's just amazing

[@oscarleite7109]

On the way to 1M subscribers! 💪

[@floeki-jekker]

My Acer 9920G from 2006 has removable batteries, removable GPU, CPU, Bluetooth, WiFi, DDR2, 2 HDD, keyboard and DVD, everything is interchangeable and up-datable.... and because of that still in use 30-jan 2024.

[@XLessThanZ]

This laptop (and company) is so awesome🤙🏽

[@CYPH3RsD0M41N]

Right-To-Repair done right.

[@emmanuelolukareh]

Honestly, i could see myself using this laptop. i love it

[@vales8534]

Crazy, just today I considered changing my 13 inch framework to this machine.

[@drayke8886]

Isn't the point of keeping old and upgrading what you need?

[@miguelcanais]

​​@@drayke8886at some point the technology will simply not support the newer generations of components and become obsolete, so its better to buy a new laptop from time to time

[@heyfarhanirfan]

I love their packaging

[@subaruhawkeyeimpreza]

I see community projects bringing actual graphics cards mods to the framework laptops, another W to framework

[@ph12tech]

Incredible piece of tech... We need to talk about this company more often

[@deadpain2483]

Wow, i am amazed. In 2014, i used to think laptop sucks because if the gpu fails then the entire product become useless. But these allows you to remove the faulty gpu. Even if you can't find anything to replace you can still use the laptop without worrying about paying another 1000 pounds. Just marvelous. Bravo.

[@eadweard.]

Look how _nice_ it all is.

[@Neon20301]

Correction: The graphics card module it is a Radeon RX 7700S. The Radeon 780m is the integrated Graphics.

[@Ice_2192]

One thing i learnt in this review is the screw numbers on the metal plate under the keyboard.

[@rodentartmouse]

Good matrix!!!

[@petemedrano9970]

Hi like the video s thanks for the intertanment

[@xp0079]

Finally they have my ideal Laptop, been quiet a few years now.

[@DisasterxUs]

this is super cool

[@Monochrome_eteled]

best alternative for building a desktop pc

[@user-bp8yg3ko1r]

I really want to have a Framework smartphone, we really need a Fairphone alternative. Surely Fairphone does a lot of things right, but I'd really prefer a much more compact device with a headphone jack and a better chipset (I know the reason for the current chipset)... For me, the ideal phone would have: - A screen under 6 inches - No notch, punch hole or any other kind of screen interruption (optional screen with selfie cam for those who really need it) - Ultrasonic fingerprint scanner - Expandable storage, headphone jack, IR blaster - Physical privacy switches (like on the Librem 5) - 2 Notification LEDs on the frame (top and bottom) - User replaceable battery - Repairable and upgradable I love Frameworks mission, compared to Apple, they ACTUALLY care about the environment and the consumer, brilliant video, Hugh!

[@trayner]

It's harder with a phone as it has to be dust resistant and to a degree water resistant.

[@progenitor_amborella]

They day Framework makes a printer I will do a triple double backflip. And they’ve acknowledged it a few times already, especially in the past few days given HP’s recent statements!

[@turbyoulance]

Brilliant

[@valeropixels317]

i'm so amazed by the great job this company did

[@PaulSpades]

Removable PCIE graphics accelerators for laptops have been available with the MXM standard since 2010 but mostly abandoned by 2017. Laptop makers decided to implement thinner and lighter machines to compete with apple macbooks and nvidia quit making the modules even for desktop replacement (now called "GAMING") laptops. I'm glad they're coming back. This laptop looks like a marvel of modularity.

[@Blind_Hawk]

As soon as my current laptop dies, I will definitely switch to Framework machine. This is exactly what modern "prestigious" companies lack. Innovation.

[@dmnddog7417]

The geek tinkerer in me really loves this.

[@DanielBrotherston]

LTT's review has tips on how to improve the keyboard...maybe you could give some feedback on whether you feel it improves the keyboard much?

[@thejdmguru621]

When you have to go back to a concept from the early 2000s because that’s when things were actually user friendly and not made purely for the companies desperation in earning a profit.

[@user-fs8rn4cb6c]

Agreed - we had user replaceable CPUs in laptops back then, for God's sake.

[@domjrl]

Amazing

[@MegaHorrorLP]

I'm really in love with this new Laptop.. Sadly I dont have that kind of money laying around to buy one

[@andrew9558]

Im crazy to buy one of these. I really hope they do a smartphone like this.

[@nikitazaycev8636]

No hot swappable battery tho, framework definitely should take a look at such feature. Not necessarily a bulky 18650-based, there are planar modular batteries too. Its soo convenient, just think about it: each battery gives you 7 hour screen on time (pretty decent by todays standards) but what if you carry 3 additional batteries (

[@cameronbosch1213]

Mine is coming soon (batch 1)! I can't wait!

[@rickkarrer8370]

The side spacers, I would just want better speakers there.Otherwise, I would install the number pad. Love me a number pad.

[@insanecoolaid7299]

It would make perfect sense to have the left and right modules to be speakers :P

[@NecroFlex]

If you look outside of the mainstream laptop manufacturers, some still have modular GPUs and even desktop CPUs in a laptop. A few examples: Clevo, XMG, Schenker etc. Most are Clevo clones, but you have options regardless. They usually use MXM GPUs, so it is upgradable, tho for a big price most of the time.

[@drayke8886]

Shows how much better Framework Ad department is (or how much more are they willing to bet). I never even heard about them and shame on google for not giving them as a result when googling Framework especially when Framework is available like in 5 countries and for example I can buy Clevo in Poland (for my kidney unfortunately).

[@Chris-onyt]

my next laptop will be this one the large palm rests are good for using a mouse on it