Game of Thrones: Board Game - Mother of Dragons Expansion

Game of Thrones the board game second edition with 7 players and using the Mother of Dragons expansion.
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[@terryfuller2808]

Dude, big props to you for getting a seven-player game on film!

[@FCCrewgar]

Targarian Loyalty Tokens can only be placed in Westeros so you couldn't have placed in in Norvos. Just in case others are trying to learn.

[@cukorkacukorka]

That's an issue we also had last time playing it. The rulebook itself does not say Loyalty tokens can't be placed in Essos via Deck IV cards (Pentos got one already for example), but I understand the philosophy behind it, you ought to reveal and rally the remaining supporters IN westeros... :/

[@lelandcheng7390]

@@cukorkacukorka Also, didn't they forget to put the other 2 Westeros loyalty tokens down when that Deck IV card was revealed? They put down the 1 on Norvos, but forgot to put the other 2 down in the two Westeros territories that were indicated on the top of the card.

[@shapeshifter7676]

@@cukorkacukorka Rule book doesn't say it, but the deck IV cards say where you can put them and it's never a place in essos

[@joniniskanen1268]

They are called Westeros cards for a reason. They can only be placed in westeros and essos is not part of Westeros. dah.

[@jeremiefuller7312]

Great expansion!! Thanks for the video! I have notice that during round 7, the Baratheon player forgot to take 3 power token (from King's Landing) at the phase II. She only take 2 power token (from Dragonstone and Kingswood).. This could have been a complete different ending! Especially with the Wildling attack during the phase III of that round and with the Clash of Kings happen in round 8. Good game though!

[@guidoquintela2314]

Comming here a little late, about one and a half year after this video was posted. I´m watching from Uruguay, me and my board game friends been playing to the regular game monthly for almost two and a half years. We just bought the expansion and yesterday we made our first try, with 8 players. It´s amazing how tense it gets; almost 10 hours of pure fun.

[@benjamin6206]

lannister still getting railed by greyjoy spreadsheets i see

[@zorkon008]

should try get cam to be top down instead of side view

[@RobsGamingTable]

Noted for next time. I just thought it might be hard to tell which units they are from above.

[@keinzasta8399]

Awesome production, would love an 8 player-game!

[@RobsGamingTable]

One day we can I hope, but it was hard to get 7 together. :)

[@runehomme6082]

@@RobsGamingTable we have been playing 8 player games now 2 times in the last 60 days and its EPIC! our total group is around 10-12 potential players and there is a waiting list to get in! It is so intense and hard! We are almost all of us experienced players so that keeps the playing time at a accetable level...hehe. We have 1 win by Lanister (we got NO clash of Kings then so he kept 3-star order all game and also got the Sword due to effect of Wildling card victory) and the last time Targaryan won. We love this game!

[@ThunderstruckElectronix]

@@runehomme6082 how long does it take in 8 players?

[@runehomme6082]

@@ThunderstruckElectronix It depends, we have played even more games now, also with novise people to the game. I would say from 4-8 hours depending on the group and setup. If for example an expert gets Greyjoys and run over Lanisters the game can end within 4 hours. But for example in my group we love to make deals, negotiate and so on, then we easy can spend up to 8 hours (and longer if we enjoy some beers as well:) so as you see, very hard to day depending on your group and how you play.

[@xshadowscreamx]

The absolute madlad having that many friends.

[@bendster1]

Awesome video, been interested in the expansion but have a hard time getting the game on the table because it's quite long. Should come to Hamilton and join you guys! I'm in KW but would make the wee drive over haha

[@Lamartine111]

Lannister is not the best training wheels faction. Particularly when Greyjoy clearly knows what they are doing. But credit to this Greyjoy player - he was a such snake in the grass and really played all the others!

[@MrPeterKJ]

Was shouting use the damn raven at the Lannister player quite a few rounds

[@TeZaar]

53:30 This isn't a neutral garrison but a faction one, Battle would occur as normal and you can support it

[@MrZlatanlav]

True

[@ZukusScaenicus]

Thanks for uploading a full playthrough! How do you feel the balance of the game was affected by Stark being the Vassal? Do you think it gave too much of an advantage to already-quite-powerful Greyjoy and, to a lesser extent, Arryn, allowing them to potentially ignore their northern neighbor and put all their effort southward? Is there a House you feel would have been better suited for the role? Planning to give this expansion a try soon myself!

[@TeZaar]

It's funny because greyjoy did so many suboptimal moves and didn't even tried to attack on the greyjoy. The Bara player also did a poor job at using Stark in 3:36:00 straight inted not attacking 2 dragons and killing them permanently.

[@maksimtroshkov173]

Targarian looks too strong. Even in your game a weak player (no offense) almost won. What would be if there is a strong player? We played yesterday. Targarian was in alliance with Bara. Stark lost his sea, and after that there was no chance for come back. We played 6 vs 2 and lost anyway on 9th turn. To my mind there are conditions, which must be done for not giving an easy win for Targarien: 1) No one makes an allience with Targarien 2) Next to every sea border, connected with Targarian there are 3 ships (so their sea card and Khal Drogo have no bonus) and these ships don't fight with each other. 3) Every player understands how important an opportunity to kill a dragon is.

[@hobbyganster]

You are right. A other way i see to stop the dragons is, once the were landed in westeros, someone has tp burn their token each round and block them there.

[@brendangloyn7514]

that first move Martel made attacking bara was that legal move? I thought the boat starting area is outside the port area so you cant drop troops of as if boat was in the same area it would of needed to battle both the bara ships first?

[@Dimmez]

How do you place "negotiate with the iron bank" (I forgot the name) order token in port? I thought you could only do that in sea areas?

[@MRdaBakkle]

On page 10 of the rules under the Sea Order Tokens heading the rules state "These blue-hued tokens function identically to standard order tokens except they are only resolvable in sea areas or ports that have a ship." You can place them on land but before orders are resolved and (after the Messenger Raven would be used) all sea orders on land are removed without effect.

[@cukorkacukorka]

Do you know what happens, if the Targaryen player at the and of round 10 has the same number of loyalty tokens as the number of castles hold by an another player? Wich is worth more? I didn't find answer for that in the rule book.

[@andremcmanrique]

They worth the same as the number of castles+Strongholds of the other players, so in that case, you have to follow the tie-breaking rules, which are: 1) the number of strongholds (even for the targaryen player), 2) Higher position in the supply track and 3) Higher position in the Iron Throne track

[@pdv457]

Great game! Congrats! Bara was too easily influenced by cheeky Greyjoy. It seems way too easy for GJ to play if Lanni is new to the game and Stark via Bara does not harrass

[@RobsGamingTable]

Agreed! Thanks for watching.

[@lelandcheng7390]

Has anyone ever considered putting a time limit on how long it takes to execute a march order? To me that particular order takes some people an inordinate amount of time to decide. If there was a 2 minute time limit on that, I would think it would be enough to assess where you are, where you want to go, and even look at potential opponents' house cards before executing the march order. After all, everyone should be assessing what their next move would be while others are doing there's. The game length would be much faster with a march order execution time limit.

[@thatoneenglishman536]

I act as the game master in my games shutning people along. 5 player games takes us 3 hours or under.

[@lelandcheng7390]

@@thatoneenglishman536 I'm impressed! How do you "shunt" people along without pissing everyone off so they don't want to play with you again?

[@thatoneenglishman536]

We all just understand without me doing it we will play for five hours or more. Which happened once and makes the game slow and boring. So my group luckily excepts. If you can't think ahead tough. In war there is no idle time. you must react always otherwise you die.

[@lelandcheng7390]

@@thatoneenglishman536 That's great! So do you set a time limit or do you give the slow-pokes a 30 second warning to get their march done, or what? I just want to know how you specifically keep things moving.

[@santiagodionisio7994]

Good video! Would be cool if tou upload another gameplay, maybe with fewer players.

[@RobStJohn-hi6xd]

Thanks for the feedback. Sounds like a great idea! :)

[@fabiorusso2134]

Hey, nice game! How can you find yourself? 7 different people playing this game, so hard for me to find 3 other people to reach 4 and use targaryen! =) I tried to follow your gameplay in order to clarify some doubts, but without success =( so I ask everyone around: 1) if a vassal fights against another vassal... how it works with cards? there are only 7 and if one player takes 3 in order to play one during battle, the other one has only 4 among to chose... pretty unfair... 2) I didn't understand how vassal's defense/muster order works: you can recruit a new unit with 2 cost or less where you put it (or upgrade two 1-cost units)? it seems it basically give you benefits as it were a stronghold (except that doesn't count in the victory scale of course), isn't it?

[@pablokevin8995]

i wonder if it is posible change some rules to do the game faster ( thinks like short turns or something else ) i dont know so much about the game i will buy the all game

[@Vossenator]

They are playing with seven Players so it's naturally going to be long resolving so many orders. I recommend 5-6 players, it's a lot easier.

[@joniniskanen1268]

For every pro-player out there, or aspiring future pro-player: Remember that each house has 1 ace general, that is crucially important to keep in hand. Myself I'm professional at playing Baratheon, and their house has a #1 general named Salazar, which is the ace of baratheon house. If you find yourself playing game of thrones as Baratheon, you need to get at least 2 stars, low placement on iron throne track, due to Stannis ability makes him a 5 if lower on throne track than opponent. He is a 4 but can get +1. Baratheon wants to be considered underdogs, in order to come-back strike win. Hoping that martell uses their 0 Martell himself to lower Baratheon to lowest on either track, and that you get them to lower you on throne track, and after that you fight back, with higher power.

[@1029mjb]

If you buy the mother of dragons version does this come with all the regular game pieces and game board too or does buying the mother of dragons edition only give you the new stuff and you have to own the original game?

[@RobsGamingTable]

I don't know if they sell a bundle now, but the Mother of Dragons I have is an expansion to the base game. You must have the base game to play it.

[@Onemanhasnoname]

Hey, where did you get container you keep your tokens in?? My fiance and I just got the expansion and we're hosting some games, trying to streamline the process. 😀

[@RobsGamingTable]

I use various clear plastic containers I find at my local Wal-Mart, Dollar Store, etc. in the fishing or tools sections. In some cases, I cut off the lid so they can be used like token trays and take up less table space for filming.

[@Onemanhasnoname]

Thank you

[@fenixTKO]

Kriston Jeffrey www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RB3XOM?tag=article-boardgamegeek-20

[@KaiservonDeutschesKaiserreich]

What kind of table is that?

[@joaquinmdelascarrera]

Hi everyone! i have 2 questions regarding the Mother of Dragons Expansion: 1- Can Dragons move to sea areas or attack sea units? My common sense tells me yes because dragons can fly wherever they want. 2- I noticed the Targaryen Deck of cards A has a Khal Drogo Card that says that if you use it you must remove it from the game. Does that mean that TARG loses a card for the whole game or for just one battle? Is that fair? i think the Viserys Card has the same text. Also the Robyn Arryn card with the Arryns.

[@sarooku]

1. The Dragons are stated as land units in the rulebook, so they can not attack boats or move to sea areas. 2. It means that when the card is used in battle, it will be removed from the deck for the rest of the game. With Khal Drogo, you can play around this using the Viserys card (playing Viserys and putting Drogo in your discard pile to add his strength to Viserys: in this case you haven't played Drogo, so he will not be removed from the game, but simply be part of your discard pile). It is considered fair because the effects of these cards are very powerful, so using them once at a critical moment is part of the strategy,

[@joaquinmdelascarrera]

@@sarooku Thanks!!

[@sarooku]

@@joaquinmdelascarrera You're welcome!

[@hobbyganster]

Do you know why house arryn has a garnision with strengh 4? Everyone else has only 2. Cool repport by the way!! 😁

[@maksimtroshkov173]

Maybe coz they have 5 potential enemies? :D

[@hobbyganster]

@@maksimtroshkov173 baratheon has also 5 possible enemies... And the Arryn has a very good starting army.

[@rhaening]

the eyrie is surrounded by mountains and is located on top of one

[@joniniskanen1268]

"Greyjoy is not talking from his egoistic point of view" Bullshit, he knows for sure that strategic view, Targaryen is always moving last, so if Targaryen ever moves his dragons into "closed area" without any escpate, they all die. So smart that newbies does not know about this strategy.

[@The80sWolf_]

Barely any places to move. They need to release a new version of this game IMO. With more areas, decrease the tracks while having a large map. Give players like 5 battle coins to use once, with +1-3 strenght, 1 with sword, 1 with tower. Add the others as a extra threat. Integrate event cards based on things that happens in the novels.

[@barteksieczka]

1:37:04 Martell moved on the sea but using wrong token.

[@RobsGamingTable]

Why is the wrong token? It appears to be a March +0 token.

[@barteksieczka]

Rob's Gaming Table it was played on the sea, and only gray tokens can be played on sea, right? ;)

[@RobsGamingTable]

No. March tokens are used to move land and sea units, just like in the base game. The new Sea Order tokens are just limited to the sea and must be removed if place on land. See page #10 in the expansion rulebook. images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/3d/92/3d92cef0-91d7-4d25-abdd-5e9e555d9f7c/va103_rulebook-compressed.pdf

[@erickmedinavillanueva7600]

Can ships go back to ports?

[@RobsGamingTable]

As long as you control the port.

[@halosbadboyz]

Good game :)

[@clintburford6568]

Can you attack your own vasal?

[@josephodonnell195]

No

[@lelandcheng7390]

Okay, the Lannister player clearly has no clue what he is doing. Why he didn't take Harrenhal (with support offered by Arryn) when he had the chance is beyond me. He needs a castle to muster more forces, and not taking one pretty much kills what little hope he had to get back in the game. He also needed to do whatever necessary to either re-take Lannisport or else move down and take Highgarden. Instead, he just sat there and let everyone gradually eat his forces up. The Targaryen player is only marginally better than the Lannister player. He should never have sent his dragons in to Westeros so early on when they were unable to defend themselves and had no way to get support. He needed to keep them sheltered back on Essos surrounded by friendly forces and build a network of ships and regular troops to cross into Westeros with conventional forces to take a castle or two there so that he could muster more directly on Westeros. Then by the time that is done, his dragons would be around a 4 strength each and would be able to swoop in with friendly forces supporting them to begin taking loyalty tokens. Instead he let his dragons get wiped out and still had no way to get to Westeros to take loyalty tokens with conventional forces, which would be his only hope without dragons. He also never bothered to take Braavos, which would not have been difficult even with weaker dragons, and this would have given him more mustering capabilities as well as the more favorable loan costs. This was inexplicable. The other 5 players do have generally sound strategies, however I would have liked to see a bit more deception and deceit in dealing with each other to spice things up and add some intrigue. Like, pretending to offer supporting troops to one side, and once the march order was executed and units moved in, offer to the defending player support instead in exchange for power tokens, etc.

[@josephtheisii9891]

Leland Cheng I know you can offer to support to whom ever you decide, but can you really charge power tokens? I’ve never seen that done.

[@lelandcheng7390]

Joseph Theis II in the Mother of Dragons expansion rules, you are allowed to give power tokens to other players at will. Obviously you turn in yours into the power pool and the person receiving them takes a corresponding amount of theirs. This was a new rule in the expansion. So if you take that further, it implies that you can use them as a bargaining asset.

[@josephtheisii9891]

I just bought that expansion Friday. I’ve got to study the rules since I’m hosting a game night soon. That’s awesome! Thanks.

[@danarmstrong1025]

Wait. Lannister are the red pieces?! I've always used the gold pieces for them and red for Martell!

[@MRdaBakkle]

I guess I am not sure why you would need to make a rule for power. The rules do say gift, but I still read that as player A asks player B "I will give you 2 power now if you move out of this space so I can move in."

[@cukorkacukorka]

2:57:57 What is that siren?

[@RobsGamingTable]

It was the sound effect of an air raid siren. Like the ones used during World War 2 to warn of bombing planes. In this case it was used to warn the people of Westeros about Dragons. 😉 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_defense_siren

[@cukorkacukorka]

@@RobsGamingTable :D Thanks for the answer. I kinda knew it was civil defense siren, I just wondered whether it was a test or a real threat was imminent :D

[@manzell]

Port Support

[@joniniskanen1268]

Routed troops cannot fight anymore, if anyone attacks their area they just die. No combat.

[@akicar95]

Any people who play this in Serbia?

[@markobabic9392]

Ja igram, hahaha

[@markobabic9392]

kasnim cak tri meseca, nemam novca za igru pa igram preko interneta, THRONEMASTER i Agot2 Online

[@talmizrahi8994]

Are you sure you can choose not to play an order? Please correct me if im wrong about this, but, if you have a unit, you have to give an order to that unit. that rule created to add the risk of potentially choose a loss-making order (like a consolidate power next to a potential raid) so i dont think you have the option of choosing not to play an order you placed after seeing all the order placed on the board, its like cheating....

[@theatreofbeasts]

You have to place an order for every area with at least one unit in that area. But the rules state that you are allowed to a) not raid with one of your raid tokens even if possible, but remove it from the board without any effect and b) move zero units as part of a march order. Were you referring to anything else?

[@joniniskanen1268]

The women were awesome at strategic talking about others and such, but terrible at playing for themselves.

[@Mateking92]

Lannister is just incredibly week, the worst house you can get. 1. Central position, so almost everyone can attack you. 2. Very weak house cards, with conditions like ,,if you win", buy you never win. 3. Hard to get any help from other players, only the Starks can help you in the early game. 4. Weirdly designed sea borders, good for the grayjoys bad for you. 5. Most importantly, the closest house that can attack you, the Greyjoys, is just plain OP with very useful and strong housecards, and also starting with the sword giving them even more advantage in battle., since they can get +1 army power, and they win every tie. 6. Since you are always fighting with the grayjoys for survival, you cant really get power tokens, giving you even more disadvantage. 7. In the case you are not killed right away, you are still fucked cause you cant get enough supply, only from blackwater, which will be highly contested from every side. Ps.: I really love this game, but having such a weak house is definitaly the most frustrating thing for me in this game, seems like they didnt think this through at all. I would highly recommend giving the lannisters some plus starting power as a house rule, like +3 power tokens, or +2 footman, otherwise, they will get annihilated every single game.

[@Vossenator]

They should start with King's Landing in my opinion. My recommendation; do a house rule where Lannister in addition to Lannisport and Stoney Sept gets 1 FM and 1 Power token at Kings Landing plus the neutral garrison token (acting as the City Watch for immersion) It gives Lannister more map presence and good potential power tokens from the 2 crowns.

[@markobabic9392]

Well Lannister is only good in 3 player classic and maybe 4 player classic, however it is really good if Lannister is allied to Greyjoy, as you can push into Stark territories with ships, and easily destroy Stark

[@Nakraal]

1. Half the houses are in "central position". Tyrells have Lanni, Bara, Martells, Baratheons border with everyone but Greyjoy. 2. Lannister hand is the best in the game. They have 3 indifferent cards, Tywin, Jaime and the Hound, but the rest are cards that when played right they are game changers. 3. Hard to get help? Why? Is it that all players auto dislike the player playing the Lannisters? 4. Yes, but thats the field of the Greyjoys. 5. Yes, GJ are OP but only until the next Clash of Kings. The first priority for a Lannister player is to persuade GJ player to turn on Stark. If he can't, its easy to broker help from Tyrells and or starks, as exactly the fact that GJs are OP will force players to help you as to contain them. Don't forget that the GJs can pull the "Balon + Sword" trick only once in the first couple of turns. 6+7). Start with muster in Lannisport, march footman to Riverrun. If gj attacks Riverrun play the Hound and retreat to Harrenhal. Baratheon will give you all ties vs Greyjoy in clash of kings in exchange to not contest Blackwater. Stark will easily raid Seaguard support for you to balance the things out.

[@sarooku]

Lannister wins regularly in our games. The key is placing one or two Knights in Stoney Sept, which can serve as a "support circle" for the five very valuable areas around it. Simply by keeping this circle, you already have 3 victory points, 6 supply, and 3 crowns. All your forces can then be used to break out of this circle: who cares if Greyjoy takes the sea if they can't claim any of your homelands? I do agree that Lannister's starting position is difficult and it's definitely the player who needs to utilize diplomacy the most, but it's definitely not incredibly weak if played correctly.

[@workthroway283]

Bara is definitely in a weaker spot than Lani now. The only player not a neighbor is Greyjoy and losing the navy means losing access to their capital. Lani can turtle with several strongholds and has the only 3 sword card. GJ will have a hard time keeping up with Lani troops and holding the sword so time quickly turns against GJ. Lani just needs to march to RR expecting to retreat to HH and muster at Lanisport ready to either build a SEs to retake RR or build ships. full Lani army with SEs and those 3 swords will put GJ practically out of the game by round 3

[@elyastoohey6621]

Good watch, but as someone who loves this game, man were those opening moves and fight trash. Lannister gave up riverrun to greyjoy. Didn't appreciate you picking on your noob friend taking storms end and killing their knight. Targaryen consolidating (smfh)

[@joniniskanen1268]

Painful to see that both Tyrell and Baratheon played shit-bad. No expansion at all.