Game of Thrones Season 7 Episode 4 'The Spoils of War' Part 2 REACTION!!

[@NikkiStevenReact]

We haven’t read your comments but the message has been passed along... We might talk more about this in the next video but probably not. Ok, we get it, Dany listened to Jon and didn’t hurt any innocent people or structures... we missed that, it happens... there’s a lot going on in this show. I watched our reaction back again and we seemed pretty excited that Dany and Drogon were about to light some people up... it’s pretty obvious that dragon destruction is one of our favorite parts of this show. It’s pretty shocking seeing people turn to ash from dragon fire if that’s why you think we were concerned for the Lannister army. Plus, we like Jamie and Bronn. Our fear of Dany’s actions were more about what the people are going to think & her and her dragon’s safety... we want her to succeed. She’s easily one of our favorite characters in this show and it’s unfortunate it doesn’t come across like that. And please don’t misinterpret Nikki’s empathy for the animals as hate for people... She just has a special connection with animals because of her upbringing and had trouble seeing them get hurt or killed. Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts and being on this ride with us... we appreciate all of you and the passion you bring. - Steven

[@Mitsu2040]

Don't worry, many reactors felt the same as you the first time they watched it. Don't take it too hard cause we love you guys. Just know that some may be commenting on what is the general thought when watching it the first time for other reactors.

[@nathan43082]

You should now check out Seth Meyers and Leslie Jones watching “Battle of the Bastards” at kzbin.info/www/bejne/pX6chqmEpNKajJI and them both again watching “The Spoils of War” at kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqfGo6qKmKZon9k. Both videos are quite funny. No need to record... unless you really want to.

[@MrNefczi]

Don't worry, guys! This episode always brings a lot of extreme emotions and opinions. Most reactors got a lot of heat from wievers one way or the other. The GoT fanbase can is very passionate (and a bit crazy) ;)

[@saradojcinovic6146]

Hey guys, just wanted to say that it's completely okay when you don't catch something or when something goes over your head or you don't form your opinion straight away. The majority of people here did have similar reactions, but the thing is, people had a year to discuss every aspect of every bit of every second of every episode (and they forget that you didn't). That means that people will want to point out to you their analyzes and thoughts, and not necessarily as an attack to you, but only as their interpretation of the episodes. People looove to explain stuff they are passionate about, and they love pointing out small details and different points of view for you guys to notice it too. It can get quite overwhelming when hundreds of people are telling you the same thing, but that's only because they probably want to explain it themselves and offer their thoughts. We were all very much frustrated with Dany in season 7, and it's really unfair for some people to attack you for feeling the same way majority of fanbase felt last summer. The only difference is that we had time to reflect and think about different perspectives when you guys only watched the episode, what, yesterday? So you have every right to feel this or that, and anyone who tells you something condescending or rude is a huge hypocrite and probably should be ignored. Majority of people here only have the best intentions when they explain or point out things. By the way, there are various discussions in comments that don't necessary have you guys in focuse, at least from what I've read, so try to separate them from the ones aimed at your reaction. And about those people complaining about Nikki's love for animals? There isn't a nice way to say this, but fuck them. Nikki, continue to be such a wonderful human with a heart of gold and never stop caring for animals, because too many people don't. We need more people like you, not less. Sending love to you both!!!!💕💕💕

[@MrKrzykol]

Take it easy, some of the fans are fanatics who want everyone react like they did ;) But I reacted with respect for Dany that she found a middleground, attack but not in a city but army on the field. (With Dothraki hehe).

[@LETSPLAYmarkus1]

Only a fool would meet The Dothraki in an open field - Robert Baratheon

[@daynejoseph2366]

Robert Baratheon didn't say that fam. Fookin King Bob The Great said that!

[@nicklasdorrschuck7106]

Hey was machst du hier :D

[@daynejoseph2366]

@MrCaptain knows what's up. Gone but not forgotten...King Bob forever.

[@Djinnk042]

Only a fool would meet a dragon (.)

[@Anetron1]

I mean, if there were even twice as many Dothaki as there were Lannisters and Tarlys on that field, they would've been annihilated. They only won because of their sheer numbers and a dragon. Lannisters counteracted every tactic the Dothraki used: shields to deflect arrows and pikes to hold the line against cavalry.

[@ilows_gaming2525]

Daenerys didn't go against Jon's wishes. She faced them in battle on an open field, with no castles or civilians being burnt. She is showing strength and this is the only way that she could do that.

[@lukasmesaros9431]

she just burned 10000 lannisters xD dafuq... could´ve just burned some of them and then let dothraki to fuck em up

[@marycalvert7963]

This is the only way she can show her power. She burned armies, not the whole city with innocents. This is the only way she can fight armies.

[@TaeasPetrik]

@@lukasmesaros9431 He meant civilians. No people as people. She just burned soldiers. It is war, that is how it is. And what is difference between been burned in a second and been killed by a sword.

[@ericsantucci6934]

No civilians being burnt* But yeah, I get what you mean.

[@gnomesaiyan1680]

Maybe more importantly, she torched their supply wagon line.

[@saraurrutia6950]

Daenerys actually did listen to Jon and Tyrion, she didn't attack King's Landing killing millions of innocents she just atacked the Lannister army in their way back to King's Landing..

[@marcuskurze9759]

And she has used only one of the Dragons.If the other 2 would been there there would have been Nothing left for the Dothraki to kill.

[@JoviLevi]

"She didn't kill innocent people in a city, instead she killed innocent people on an open field." The only difference is the location of the slaughter, and the amount. She still killed people who didn't deserve death.

[@saraurrutia6950]

@@JoviLevi as happens in any other battle or any other war. She killed the men who were trying to kill her and defeat her army.

[@JoviLevi]

Sara Urrutia - And it's bad in those other cases, too. What's your point?

[@saraurrutia6950]

@@JoviLevi my point is that sadly people always die in any war. Of course it would be better if there was a way to solve the conflict whithout battles and people dying, but at this point that isn't possible. Plus, I don't think people who just slaughtered the Tyrrel army are considered innocent.

[@noniLaus]

First the thunder of the hooves, then the horde of Dothraki gallopping across the field like nothing could stop them, and finally Drogon emerging from behind them... this scene always gives me goosebumbs

[@anentireamazon2829]

Daenerys is so smart. She listens to her advisors when she has to do it and she ignores them when she has to do it. What she’s done in this episode, it’s the smartest decision: showing her power without killing innocent people.

[@benji5529]

oof, that didn't age well

[@benedictusowenwijaya9702]

Guess she got hit by something and instantly became dumb af.

[@chickenmcnuggets9669]

@@benedictusowenwijaya9702 she got with hit with the writers dumbass writing😂

[@Jacaerys1]

@@benji5529 you must kill all the Lannisters and their followers, let one survive and the flock is never safe.

[@crashhd5227]

@@chickenmcnuggets9669 there’s many times they foreshadowed her going to end up like that so not really bad writing u just got sucked into the writing to believe she wouldn’t be the same

[@adejohhojeda2982]

A drunk king once said: "Only a fool will face a dothraki horde on an open field."

[@mikeortiz410]

GODS I WAS STRONG THEN!!!

[@tomw4955]

it was roberts greatest nightmare to meet them in the open field.

[@vinzi1787]

R.i.p Robert baratheon aka funny fat old man

[@daynejoseph2366]

King Bob The Great.

[@santiagomunez3633]

Bend your knees before your king you shits! King Bob

[@josephthemighty2772]

Guys, she's not attacking a city and civilians, which was Jon's point. He didn't wan't her to attack innocents. She's attacking an enemy army, which she's supposed to do. She did nothing wrong. It's war.

[@marcuskurze9759]

She did something wrong:Landing at Dragonstone in the first place.Would have been better to move all her Forces in the reach and use Highgarden as Base.Dragonstone is a bloody island.It was foolish to think that the Lannisters would not try to attack her allys.

[@wesbeuning8927]

i think another reason she went to Dragonstone instead of landing at Dorne or the Reach was so that her dragons could fly around and not be a danger to anyone around

[@davidjones5333]

@@marcuskurze9759 Dragonstone is one of the few places in Westeros designed to house dragons, it's also within striking distance of King's Landing and from there she can land troops anywhere in the Crownlands, the Eastern Coast of the North, the Vale or even the Stormlands.

[@mutalstar]

No. She brought a nuclear weapon and decimated her enemies. On top of that she burnt the food supplies that would have fed the people of westeros cause winter is approaching. The people of westeros are going to starve now. If she heeded her council she would have just taken the dothraki and not her dragons. She also burnt the tarlys and all those who didn't bend the knee. And don't tell me she gave them a choice. Telling some one to bend the knee or die is not a choice. She should have listened to tyrion about sending them to the wall. Her not listening to her advisors should be concerning. As lady olenna said to daenerys "be a dragon" and that's what's she's doing now. The rest of westeros are sheep Dragons plant no trees

[@durchhalter]

Tyrion and Jon discouraged Dani from using her Dragons against civilian targets and innocent people, which is why instead she is going against military targets (an army) that has just come from wiping out her strongest ally so far, laden with massive resources to fuel her enemy. THAT is not cruel at all, but a wise move in war.

[@marcuskurze9759]

Actually it would have been whise to burn the enemy soldiers and loot all the supplys instead of Burning it all.Now all the Harvest is turned into ashes and the winter is here.Looks Pretty bad in terms of Food now.

[@ms_scribbles]

@@marcuskurze9759 Except that wasn't the whole pack train, just the last part of it. The rest was already at King's Landing.

[@deathofecho3931]

StormWolf only the gold had made it to kings landing so they are buggered for food when it comes to winter

[@marcuskurze9759]

@@ms_scribbles In my understanding only the Gold made it to Kings Landing.

[@Dak1624]

@@deathofecho3931 We don't know how many carts are out there, we only saw that she burned couple of them. Fifteen or twenty at max. Do you think that would provide enough food for her army?

[@soularbeing6942]

Olena knows how savage cersi can be. She told dany to be a dragon because she didnt want her to meet the same fate as margaery, who had a great mental long game (like tyrian) but wasnt ruthless enough to save herself and the ones around her.

[@AliBaba-iy5to]

OK. Do you think that she shouldn’t use the dragons in battle? How many lives does she save by using the dragon in battle? Honestly I didn’t get why she didn’t take all three

[@shanehughes3511]

Agreed

[@tytybaby06]

Right & I don’t get why she didn’t just continue to king’s landing & take the red keep that’s when Cersei was at her most vulnerable & she was right there on the blackwater rush

[@yourevilhalf1413]

They wouldn't have a show if they did that. But considering what happened in season 8 I much rather the scenario you just mentioned then that trash heap of an ending we got

[@jamiesalley604]

It’s dangerous without a dragon rider for the other two and the Lannister army wasn’t that big so so really only needed one

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

@@jamiesalley604 yea also she just wanted to make a statement. Three dragons would have been more that a statement. Even Aegon would pick his battles.

[@BIGxBOSSxx1]

This episode is why Game of Thrones is so special. They depict a war between two sides, and make you care and love characters on both - so when they fight each other it's so damn heartbreaking and intense.

[@BobPantsSpongeSquare97]

Sorta but the tone feels very different in season 7 as it feels like everyone has plot armor. There's no reason why bronn should still be alive for example

[@docyukiohattori]

@@BobPantsSpongeSquare97 I agree, but when I first watched this, I was convinced either Jaime or Dany would die. I was disappointed, but nonetheless, I wasn't rolling my eyes at the matchup, I was insanely tense.

[@EncryptedBear8]

Why don't you care about Jaime, but only about Tyrion? Jaime is a better person. Tyrion did murder his love and his father on purpose. Jaime did try to kill Bran, but that was atleast to protect his family.

[@iloveyourunclebob]

@@EncryptedBear8 because they aren't you and they see characters differently than you and they like different characters than you. That's why.

[@jimjimcherie]

MrColler123 I just don't like him. He does and says a lot of things I disagree with. And to start, he did push a child from the window of a tower, I mean, uhm, even to "protect" his family, that was attempted child murder, like y'all despise Stannis but Jaime is an alright dude, just pushed a child from a window, it's fine? Lmao. He changed, yes, and though I find him more agreeable now, I don't like him, nor care for him. Tyrion is kind, and fearfully smart, and I like that. Tyrion did kill his father and his lover, but then again, both of them wanted him dead basically. He was the only one to try to put Joffrey in his place, always called out his family's wrongs, etc. Tyrion is great, the rest of his family? Can go choke.

[@mikalero]

She's not attacking a city full of innocent civilians - she's attacking an army that just destroyed an ally in a field of war. That's the difference.

[@davidastete6673]

Mika Lero yeah, you're right. She attacked people which attacked innocent people in High Garden

[@richardscales9560]

Either way it gives Cersei the propaganda of ,it's another mad Targareyan.

[@sasapesic7988]

Further more, she avoided burning people most of the time. Her main target were goods, spoils of war. She did burn some people, mostly to break the lines for the Dothraki and those who were to close to the cars.

[@joshuawilliams4695]

Dr.feelalright sorry she should have killed them nicer...come on dude

[@snowign7]

it was the perfect strategic move. and it avoided unnecessary civilian casualties. jon snow probably heard her plan this, and said "yeah thats a great plan".

[@Yaxez]

Strange that so many people don't understand why Tyrion looked torn. He was upset because the bloodrider said "Your people can't fight" >Your people< Tyrion grew up with them, he knew them, they probably ate and laughed together, they protected him and his family. His mind was fighting his heart, trying to justify what he was doing. Great acting from Peter Dinklage.

[@shatteredabby964]

Absolutely agree. He knows that many down there were just good guys. He has been left with few choices and no matter what he chooses people he cares for die.

[@gregweatherup3649]

And it echoes what Dickon said earlier in the episode- he knew some of those he fought against and killed. That’s the added anguish of a _civil_ war.

[@lydiaquinn2892]

Yes exactly.

[@gingerlemon865]

thank you for this lovely comment

[@snapgab]

Tyrion also just doesn't like war and death, he understands the need for it sometimes, but he doesn't like it and he realizes that most of those soldiers are just normal people who don't deserve to die. (As Arya's scene last episode reminded us.)

[@lewystyles]

“Is Dany going to be happy about this?” ITS WAR.. why does she have to be the one to feel bad?

[@marinesinspace6253]

Because she killed a shit ton of people. Anyone who doesn't feel anything after killing other people is not someone who you want in charge.

[@marinesinspace6253]

But he expresses regret for it, and never seeks it out unnecessarily.

[@Rackhark]

+M L totally agree. Its war. Now what she does to the Tarlys in the next episode is horrible. Its absolutely disgusting & its considered a war crime(am not kidden, it really is a war crime, even in medieval times, it was over the line). She does not show much remorse for what she did there.

[@mordirit8727]

@@Rackhark awful and considered War Crime? Definitely; in their time? *Maybe* . Should they be spared it? Why, exactly? People seem to forget exactly what the Tarlys were doing a few weeks before this happened, did nobody see them executing the Tyrell? Even freaking Lady Orleanna, who was like this 90 years old woman who couldn't lift a finger, let alone a sword, was executed upon capture with no chance for pardoning. Danaerys offered them two choices: keep titles and land and serve me; don't wanna? Stay alive and go to the wall? Well you don't want *that* either? Okay, sure... But no, the oh-so-innocent Tarlys who were executing elderly people without even giving them once chance are so tragic...

[@Rackhark]

​@@mordirit8727 umm yes. Its a war-crime. Not "maybe". Are you just trying some weak defence? its a war-crime, but nobody in this show is "innocent". Nobody. She should have put him in a dungeon(just like Robb should done with Karstark) & prove to him, she is different, then what he claimed she was. Nope. Not gonna happen. Just burn one of the most respected soldiers in the entire realm & his son, is not gonna help anything for her, except boosting her already bad rumour she has in Westeros. Umm Olenna? okay so, taking a sip of poison, is the same as being burned alive. Yeah okay. Totally the same. Got it. When did the Tarlys execute elderly people?

[@jmo10111]

War is war, she didn’t kill civilians and invade Kings landing which is what Jon and Tyrion meant. So she didn’t go against their wishes. She effectively listened to them.

>.>

[@debasegrog5153]

And then she did it

[@constantinosg1033]

😓

[@mnomadvfx]

@@debasegrog5153 Exactemundo - talk about screwing up the landing.

[@purplegorilla9592]

lmao like 90% of the comments on this video have aged about the worst I may have ever seen in a comment section. It's like an endless parade of wrong conclusions.

[@ericsantucci6934]

6:00 - Nope, technically Dany DID listen to Jon. She isn't melting castles and burning cities, she's burning the Lannister ARMY :P

[@tarun7539]

well it looks like jon did tell to torch the lannisters afterall ....and you all call dany mad queen

[@narimanalnsiri1779]

Goonie Gaga literally the soul reason of any army is to kill.

[@Goomyx1492]

@Goonie Gaga It is bad for her reputation but Jon never said "you can't kill anyone, even enemy soldiers" otherwise he would have broke his own advice by attacking the Boltons. She's not attacking innocents. Yes she burned them and that is awful, but killing them in battle isn't necessarily any more or less humane.

[@Crimson_Tango]

@Goonie Gaga What would you do?

[@dansmart3182]

@Goonie Gaga I don't think it is bad for her rep. It is a show of strength that uses an before unknown war beast.... next episode though....

[@ArtisticGymnastic91]

Please take a note, she DID AGREE with Jon. Jon said DO NOT ATTACK KING'S LANDING because there are a million INOCENT commom people. In this scene is A WAR, HER ENEMIES ON THE FIELD, THIS IS W-A-R-.

[@BossAttack]

Yep, the disagreement was whether to just storm King's Landing with her dragons and burn all opposition to the ground. She chose to compromise, intercepting Jamie's forces in the field in a battle. The only small gripe I have with the battle was her burning the supply train. Her forces could have really used those, especially with Winter here. But, it looks cool so they had to burn it.

[@shockwave1126]

Agree, unlike Cersei burning innocent people at the Sept. Tyrion burned people at Blackwater and no one seemed to care then because it was war. WTH?

[@elzachavira4743]

Artistics Gymnastics Hundred percent agree with this they will see it later on.

[@PNTTVReacts]

@@shockwave1126 But those won't innocents, they were soldiers!

[@rollotamasi13]

You are 100% correct, AG

[@SnowTheJamMan]

2:44 "Fewer" The spirit of Stannis lives on in Davos

[@hxcvocalist]

Ha! didn't catch that at first. Subtle references.

[@libby8090]

One of my favorite throwbacks Stannis the grammar nazi. "fewer"

[@iloveyourunclebob]

Stannis the Grammaris

[@s.kusmeti]

Haha! I love that running grammar joke.

[@equinsuocha5397]

I only caught that watching this reaction video. Gave me a chuckle.

[@bronwync375]

They were talking about how Dany is asking Jon to bend the knee like it’s a crazy request, but she doesn’t know how big the threat of white walkers is and at the moment she can’t wast any of her soldiers lives on this other war that she knows very little about. Also the fact that when Jon was talking to Manse about bending the knee, it made total sense to them because in doing so he’d be saving his peoples lives, it’s the exact same situation with Dany and Jon, but now they can’t understand why Dany would ask it.

[@maia2837]

you don’t have to agree with everything Daenerys says and does. I certainly don’t, I agree with Jon far more often, but for people who normally react with a lot of empathy and trying to see all sides, I’ve got to say I think you’re being kind of hypocritical here. Dany could end this war and be queen ANY DAY if she wanted to, if she was willing to compromise her morals and take her dragons to kings landing. But she won’t because she doesn’t want thousands of innocent civilians to die. But this is war, and soldiers on both sides are going to die, unless you want Cersei to rule forever. Dany is risking losing this war and the one thing she has always wanted in order to spare as much innocent life as she can. Sure, a lot of those soldiers were probably good people who had nothing to do with this, but if you feel like it’s wrong for them to die that’s an anti-war sentiment not an anti-dany one. You guys cheered when she destroyed the slavers army in Meereen. You cheered when Arya killed the entire house fray. Do you think all of those people were bad people? Dany is following her advisors advice. She followed their advice last episode (Tyrion did not advise her to go north and fight the white walkers, he advised her to summon Jon snow to get him to bend the knee and be her ally). She followed their advice this time and took out a chunk of the Lannister army in a way that did not harm a single civilian. If you don’t approve of her doing that, then how exactly do you propose she takes the throne? Tyrion is conflicted because war is hard, and he doesn’t like seeing the Lannister army dying. It’s okay to be conflicted about war and to debate what the right thing to do is. But I’m just finding it really frustrating that you’re being so judgmental of Dany when you haven’t been of any other war in this show. My frustrations aside though, this is a fictional show and you guys are of course welcome to react however you want. I’ve been following you guys for ages, love your videos, and am looking forward to the next one :)

[@Adam-xg1ch]

guys guys really? Dany took Jon's advice and didn't take her dragons to burn cities. She took them to the enemy in open field that had just wiped out one of her allies.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

yea but he didn't say "Go Burn people alive" lol

[@hominem3731]

"Only a fool will face the Dothraki in open field"-Robert Baratheon

[@theblossom9907]

Jon told her not to burn cities and castles and she didn’t she went to an open field were only the army who literally just coming back from taking over the high garden and killing lady Olenna ... so its a fair fight to an extent.... yes she has dragons but what will she do with them make them dance they’re for fighting....

[@philmar44]

attacking the Lannister supply chain. Next best thing to attacking Kings Landing. No civilian casualties. Glad you guys enjoyed this episode. I look forward to watching the remainder of this epic season with you. :) Prepare for a lot of surprises both good and bad.

[@VColossalV]

No civilian casualties. Yeah.

[@Velnias8]

You may disagree, but Jaime was true hero. He saw opportunity to end war in one moment (from his perspective) and he took it, even if it was suicide for him.

[@shatteredabby964]

I agree with you. Did not want him to succeed but if you look at most of his large actions they are normally heroic. Like killing the Mad King. Even threatening Caitlyns brother with his son saved lives. Horrible thing to do but it worked and a lot fewer died.

[@sohainhere]

EXACTLY

[@shatteredabby964]

@@sohainhere it's an unpopular opinion, GOT like life is rarely black and white. We live in shades of grey.

[@MARYWTHER]

Lol yeah because his crazy sister wouldn't lay war upon everyone before seeing any chance at peace. She would have attacked the North then, and then probably Dorne because of what Ellaria did. Cersei wants to destroy "everyone who isn't us" (Lannisters), she'll never stop laying war on everyone she sees as an enemy. Daenerys is not responsible for the state the 7 Kingdoms are in.

[@EncryptedBear8]

Also at Whispering Wood he tried to fight his way through to kill Robb, instead of trying to escape when he saw that they would totally loose the fight. If he had succeeded with that, he would obviously be killed, but he tried it anyways. He does a lot of self sacrificial things trying to save his family and end the war

[@perpride]

She intentionally went out of her way not to burn the Lannister army any more than she needed to. If you look back, she only pierces their line once or twice to give her men the advantage. She’s primarily burning their crops to lay siege on Kings Landing after. She completely listened to Jon or this would have been a million people dead in the capital. Such an amazing scene!!!!

[@sealofapproval637]

But why burn the food when you could take it? Winter is coming they won't get another harvest for however long it lasts, she's just hastening starvation for both sides for no good reason. Now even when Danny wins the million people (well done for remember the population count by the way, credit where its due) in king's landing will just starve instead of burn. Awesome shot though.

[@arnoldarteaga69]

Totally agree with your observation here. Even with a dragon, Danny utilized him as a weapon to wipe out valuable resources (even if she could have totally saved some for herself lol). She torched quite a bit of Lannisters, but she could have done SO MUCH MORE damage. She IS listening to Tyrion, but she's also sticking to her gut. She's the rightful queen in her eyes and making decisions accordingly. If she agreed with every piece of advise she was given, she wouldn't be where she is right now.

[@davidjones5333]

@@sealofapproval637 She didn't know at the start that she would be able to rout the Lannisters and take the food. If she couldn't guarantee that, better to ensure that the enemy can't get it, particularly when you are planning to besiege the city and control the country yourself.

[@sealofapproval637]

@@davidjones5333 With the numbers she was bringing to that fight, not to mention the dragon, she should have been pretty confident she was going to win. I'd also argue that given that she'd have to feed Kings landing citizens once she takes the city it probably would be better to let the enemy have it short term so Danny could retake the supplies later. Foods going to be worth more than gold once winter starts stretching on. But hey I'm not looking to fight about it I question the logic of the scene, you're fine with it, lets just agree to disagree. Still a great show.

[@LS13.]

True but also there was only a few hundred left because she had the Dothraki finish them off.... so at this point whatever. what I find dumb is she burned the food and didn’t actually take it - with winter coming that was such a dumb decision. Like Ramsey destroyed stannis’ food supply but that was just his for the army- this supply could have fed kings landing, and she was targeting the supplies from the beginning that was the plan because they knew why lannisters took high garden and were making the journey, for the food supply.

[@entenciastafford]

You guys, she lost her allies, on sea and land. She did not go to kings landing and burn castle, so why are you guys against her. Do you really think she should do nothing, the lannisters destroyed her allies, so went to the fields to destroy them, not castles and cities, just the armies. Give her a break!

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

Because it wasn't a fair fight. Sending the Dotrakis is not doing nothing. Just send them.

[@adrieladson1725]

Daenerys have to die next season.

[@gringopablo]

@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Wasn't fair also Euron attacking a smaller fleet with 1000 new ships and more soldiers, wasn't also fair Lannister+Tarly+other armies against one castle with the only Tyrell left (an old lady).

[@JonCombo]

She scorched the supplies that both sides needed. :/

[@Naldo2001]

@@johnnyskinwalker4095 If you're fighting fair, you'll never win.

[@darksaint0124]

Why does Steve seem to think that if you ask an advisor for an opinion that you MUST take that advice? Dany generally listens to what all of her advisors say, and then she makes a decision on what SHE wants to do. Most leaders in this series do the same. If you do everything your advisors say then who is actually ruling, and advice is just advice, it doesn't mean it will be taken.

[@gringopablo]

Right. Since season 1, Dany acts like that: she listens to her advisors, friends, commanders, also enemies, and she always makes her own plans and decisions. Season 7, and they haven't get it yet? It's disappointing.

[@charlinethom1624]

Exactly that's what advisors are there for you listen and take all their opinions into account and than as a leader make you're decision on how you want to proceed, and just for the info since these two clearly didn't seem to pick it up Dany did listen to Jon and took his advice to heart her plan at first was to burn the Red Keep and potently kill innocent civilian in process she chose too comprise and took a different path in attacking the Lannister army instead after all she had to do something she couldn't just sit there anymore and watch her armies get destroyed.

[@vaclavskopal5143]

Jaime charging onto Daenerys and i just hear the "dont touch the dragon". Come on dude, jesus :D

[@martasousa1833]

Ok you guys are so unfair to daenerys... About her conversation in the cave with Jon, I don't get how you don't see her point of view. She is giving up everything she fought to have (armies, dragons, her claim to the throne) to go fight for the north and Jon gives nothing in return. She is being more than generous and diplomatic. She had to go through the most horrible things to get everything she has and managed not to get killed doing that an somehow people just want her to just forget about everything and go fight a war she never even heard about. She didn't ignore Jon's advice. She didn't burn any inocent people she went to war agains Lannisters. People LOVED the bttle of bastards but get really shocked watching this battle when is exatly the same thing. The lannisters killed lady Olenna took her castle and her gold. Daenerys is fighting back as anybody else would. The only difference is that she is a lot stronger in the battlefield. She didn't even burn the whole army. She surrounded the army with fire and destroyed those carriages and the dothraki did the rest.

[@marinesinspace6253]

It's still like watching a linebacker beat the crap out of an 8 year old. Those poor schmucks had absolutely no chance against EITHER the dragon, or the Dothraki, and still took both barrels.

[@jolie8971]

"if daenerys proves to act like her father" "she can't be the mad queen." sorry what? the mad king burned innocent people alive. the lannister army is not innocent. they murdered daenerys' ally. not to mention that dany liked lady olenna. i'm sorry, but she's in no way acting like a mad queen, steven.

[@ullysee]

I personaly dont believe her father was "so mad". After Hodors death, i believe her father is or was in some sort of same position... burn them all... burn them all, so the cannt raised by the night king :P

[@identity5196]

Who is innocent is simply semantics. The mad king deemed the north rebellious and therefore burned them, therefore they weren't innocent. Burning people once makes it easier to do it again, for a new reason or the same old, doesn't matter. That is how a path of evil is created, you bend the rules a little, do something not quite justified. Next time you do it again, go a little bit further. Next thing you know you're burning people for not doing as you command on a seconds notice.

[@JoviLevi]

Jaime is responsible for Olenna's death. The Lannister army, on the whole, is almost undoubtedly forced into service and don't do this because of some burning patriotic passion. And even if they did, THEY WOULD NOT DESERVE DEATH. In indiscriminately killing those who happen to be on the wrong side of the line, she's acting exactly like her father.

[@Mofriese]

@@JoviLevi You do realize they killed the Highgarden soldiers too? Not just Lady Olenna? So if the Dothraki take orders killing Lannisters after the Lannisters took orders killing Tyrells it seems to even out.

[@JoviLevi]

Mofriese - Highgarden soldiers placed there on Dany her orders, yes. Something she didn't have to do. She made the first move here.

[@mten10th67]

You guys completely missed the fact that Dany attacked the army instead of attacking King's Landing. That means she DID follow Jon's advice. This is a war that is being fought. You can't blame her for fighting back.

[@JoviLevi]

You can blame her for engaging in the war to begin with, though. Nobody forced her to cross the sea, nobody forced her to aim for the iron throne. She made these choices herself, and you can definitely give her shit for it.

[@mten10th67]

@@JoviLevi Welcome to the dumbest comment on youtube.

[@JoviLevi]

Mten10th - Wow, good point. Impressive argumentative skills.

[@mten10th67]

@@JoviLevi Thank you.

[@TheBishopconrad]

Boy this aged well.

[@kevin1233803]

Aegon the Conqueror and his sisters did way more damage with their dragons and it was proven to be a right decision. He forged the Iron Throne and no one said he was the "mad kind" like lot's of people are saying about Daenerys. How can her good deeds be forgotten so fast. Maybe they changed her a bit in the writting, so she won't be the "disney princess from Essos with her dragons to save the world". I kinda like her acting like that, becauses he's so different from the first season when you meet her with her abusing brother.

[@chrisbrooker7260]

How was it ‘proven to be the right decision’? Reading Martin’s histories of the Targaryen’s it’s pretty obvious that most accepted them with sullen resentment -at best, for most of the time. I mean I’m sure the trading class and the peasantry probably enjoyed the reduction in endemic warfare, that was a definite plus. But they weren’t a loved dynasty at all on religious or social grounds, and their tendency to madness and pyrotechnics would’ve left many in a constant state of fear

[@user-dr3cw1lb2c]

I'l never understand why people were fine with Jon Snow attacking the Boltons, but think Daenerys was wrong for attacking the Lannisters. These aren't innocent Civilians, these are your ENEMIES in a war. JUSTICE FOR TYRELLS!

[@MegaxError]

Or Robb attacking the Lannisters, or Tyrion using wildfire to obliterate Stannis' army during Blackwater... Like, Steven even wanted her to burn down Meereen ffs just because she had been there too long and he wanted her to get herself to Westeros already. Now when she is there she is not allowed to do anything? She listened to the advice, she didn't burn down the Red Keep or King's Landing, she fought the army that had just destroyed one of her allies and stolen their food and gold.

[@Sarephen]

Wait wait wait! Are you comparing Jon and Sansa retaking their HOME from traitors - and kinda be forced to, after the lovely letter that Ramsay sent to Castle Black - to Daenerys INVADING a country??! (she never grew up in Westeros, and she has no claim, she lost that claim when Robert won the civil war and Jamie killed the Mad King.) Go home, you're drunk.

[@odin6667]

Sarephen did you forget that the Lannisters were coming back from slaughtering the Tyrells in their home just cause they needed their food and resources... not much of a difference

[@Sarephen]

@@odin6667 The was not the content of my comment. Anyway about what you said: so you are saying that Daenerys is better then Cercei? Yes, but Tyrells were against the crown (Cersei) so technically Cersei can punish the Tyrells... And you know that Cersei does what she wants, instead Daenerys keeps saying that she's better than everyone... But decides to wage war with dragons (not only Dohtraki) burning supplies and food that will starve King's Landing people. And if you are pay attention there is a clear scene in which you see Drogon burning wagons. So yes Daenerys is really good at conquering with dragons but at ruling as a queen? I doubt it very much.

[@odin6667]

Sarephen Yeah but if you want to say technically, Cersi has no rightful claim to the throne. Dany does since no one knows about Jon

[@emmax9852]

The Lannisters have burnt their fleets, tortured some of their allies, and conquered High Garden I say it's fair game for Dany to attack their army too.

[@JoviLevi]

Maria Jay - There is no such thing as a collective "the Lannisters".

[@captainkrabz7206]

She was planning on going straight to the red keep. Which she did not, thanks to her advisers. This is the lannister army, not some civilians. They also just butchered all of the Highgarden soldiers, keep that in mind!

[@undrielgrenger53]

@@musspuss Exactly!

[@jcompton8507]

@lo l You hit the nail on the head there. That's exactly the reason the showrunners *don't* have her go straight to the Kings Landing. Sparing innocents is just a pretense.

[@MsKimifer]

You guys came to the exact opposite conclusion of what happened. Lol. Dany did exactly as advised, she didn't burn the cities with the women and children. Instead she attacked a single army out in the middle of a field as they were walking away from murdering and robbing her allies. Go Dany. Also, of course she needs Jon to bend that damn knee! She's new in Westeros. Without allies she can't be Queen, even if her army could win her the title.

[@anentireamazon2829]

Thank god someone knows what Dany is and why she behaves how she does

[@rosiesims4180]

She did half of what John suggested and destroyed the army and supplies, if you remember Jon was still not happy with what she did do in the end

[@gese74]

I'm not surprised by their reactions to Danys attitude & decisions because l remember many fans being frustrated with Dany during these past few episodes on the Game of Thrones fan page in fact their were very few fans defending her or trying to understand her at the time of the original airing. I was unphased not saying l was the only viewer/fan who didn't become irritated with the character but there were very few people who felt supportive of her because the page was flooded with fan frustration. It's okay everyone interprets the situation & the character's differently thats part of the fun of watching reactions.

[@gringopablo]

@@rosiesims4180 Jon killed brothers of the Night's Watch (the mutineers), not only for punishment, it was also a move to get a greater good for the future battle against the wildlings.

[@Nandrall18-25]

rosie sims please edit, that last part is nearing spoiler territory.

[@alliesally1277]

The real mad queen is clearly Cersei. I mean what is Dany supposed to do? Talk her way through the iron throne? She is at war, and everyone is waiting for her since season 1 to come to Westeros to kill the Lannisters but now when she does it it’s suddenly wrong? I mean obviously, killing is bad. But it’s a war and in this world only the strong can survive. You can clearly see she is a good person but also very conflicted. She wants to help the people but she also nows that she could have already been queen if she simply used her dragons to burn kings landing. But she didn’t. And that‘s what is making her a good queen. (Also later in the season she does a lot of things were you can clearly see she cares more for the people than the iron throne, don’t want to spoil but everyone who has seen the season knows what I mean. With that in mind I really don‘t know why people still think she will become mad.)

[@imapigeonyoupeasant1489]

@@AhmedMohammed-zl6nk lol indeed.

[@avichanda4641]

I am going to laugh at your face now...Hahahahahahahahaha

[@epiphany5546]

I really, really love your reactions, I always did, but in this case it somehow angers me a bit that you just don't understand Daenerys. She understood Jon, he opened her eyes that were already open in the first place, but he remembered her what makes her different from all the other horrible rulers like Cersei or her father or some of her ancestors before. Why didn't you guys react like that when Cersei went full Mad Queen and burned the sept? Daenerys is still the one who wants to make this world a better place than when she found it. That is why she didn't attack King's Landing, where thousands of INNOCENT people live, thus listening to Jon in a minute of rage, she went straight to the Lannister ARMY, a place of WAR. That is the actual difference, and it is an important one. We have seen a lot of war scenes in this show before with lots of people dying. Many caused it, bad and good characters. Why is it so wrong of Daenerys to do the same? The same that Tyrion, HER ADVISER, did before on the Blackwater? Jon has fought in battles, Stannis did, so many have. Daenerys is loved among her own people, rightfully so, she is the Breaker of Chains. But she also needs to be feared, especially by the Lannisters and their supporters, she needs to let them know that she is still the blood of the dragon and that she takes what is hers with fire and blood. But she did not hurt the citizens of King's Landing. This, however, is war. That's the significant difference. She is still the Queen they chose, they believe in. And she still has a good heart.

[@airtonmendonca7748]

Exactly. If Daenerys attacking an army makes them call her the "mad queen", I don't even imagine what they'll say in episode 5 in THAT SCENE. I love them both, but that reaction was really disappointing. Fuck, this is war!

[@vikingjedi573]

But wait a second. If Jon hadn't talked her out of it that's exactly what she was going to do. She was ready to take her army and destroy everybody. She even accused Tyrion of conspiring against her. How long can Jon keep her on the right path before she loses it? I think it's only a matter of time

[@vikingjedi573]

Jon Snow told her that if she used her dragons to burn them she was no different than any of those others that claimed to be good but are really evil. He talked her out of it. This wasn't the first time either. Tyrion had to talk her out of burning everything before when she was about to kill everybody in Kings Landing.

[@thedifferent14]

It's absolutely astounding how people expect Dany to just roll over after losing 3 allies. Equally incredible is how they expect her to not be angry. But that's what it's always going to be like for Dany. Because of her father's memory, people will always view her as a problem to solve instead of a person to understand. They will always hold her a standard that is too high and unfair for any person, both because of her power and heritage. Dany has suffered humiliation and embarrassment on account of Tyrion's plans, not just military loses. And as a person who's trying to be taken seriously, that's NOT GOOD. She needs to show these people that she means business, that she is a force to be reckoned with. She succeeded.

[@Garnichgutt]

to be fair: she claims to be better than all the rulers before her which is why she is held to those standards... However she proved several times, that the world is much harder than "free the slaves- be happy" and slowly decends into the great game, just like everybody else. She kills those who oppose her, threatens people into doing her bidding and for some reason still thinks that she has a claim on the iron throne- as Jon said: based on her name. Also since she basically is the only person with access to weapons of mass destruction, she loses her moral high ground the second she decides to use these weapons. At that point she is not "evil" but she is just the same as anyone before and anyone after her. Nothing special. Maybe she will be a good ruler, better than Cersei for sure- but the common folk sees a woman using monsters and savages to destroy their lives. Its pretty bad PR.

[@laylacreativeworks9304]

@@Garnichgutt And why the hell is it different burning the soldiers rather than stabbing or hacking them to death?? Do you think soldiers died peacefully in these situations?? Most got wounded and died a slow and painful death while lying in shit and blood and watching their fellow soldiers die. Using "weapons of mass destruction", as you so eloquently call her dragons, makes no difference whatsoever in her "moral high ground" except for the fact that she is MUCH stronger and has a much better advantage! She would have lost her moral high ground if she used her "weapons of mass destruction" to kill and maim civilians and burn down cities, not because she destroyed trained soldiers who chose to carry a sword and committed mass murder just the day before! Except for the Starks, any other ruler in this show would have used those dragons to burn Kings Landing to the ground the second they stepped onto Westerosian soil. And then they would have just kept on going. Dany is making the hard choices, she's trying to do the right thing, and keep her humanity. Soldiers die in war! They chose the sword, they killed with the sword, and they died by the sword. I for one do not feel sorry for them!

[@Garnichgutt]

@lo l it does not. Sure if this was a war of annihilation, go ahead use the dragons all the time, nobody will be left to care. But Dany has the delusion of ruling the very people she attacked with "monsters". This is not about strategy this is about politics. In fact I agree with her decision to use the dragon BUT I do not claim to "break the wheel" or be "different" than other rulers. Thats my point. She isnt different. Like I stated earlier- she uses mostly the same means of supressing resistance as anyone else. She kills those she deems "wrong"/ "evil" just like any other ruler. I dont mind her. But maybe she should stop pretending to be something different than Aegon the conquerer with tits. Its her ambition that is responsible for every single death in this war for westeros. Because she feels some weird desire to rule it all. So on a moral standpoint: there is no difference in killing soldiers through soldiers or fire true. However: todays foe might be tomorrows friend and vice versa. But if your means of winning include firebreathing giant lizards fighting against people who are armed with spears and a shield you sure look like the bully to any observer... it doesnt matter what happened before. The very second she attack westeros she became the "bad guy" by default in the eyes of the average westerosi (even amongst her allies, many vassals broke faith cause they rather take a horrible ruler from westeros, than a pillaging, Dothraki and Dragon supported foreigner. And making use of these assets will alienate westeros more every time she uses them, until she has laid waste to any opposing power- just like Aegon did.

[@aaronkaczmarek5032]

Yeah I feel the same. Yet they seem to be cool with the things Cersei does I.e making a mother watch her daughter die and rot whilest being right beside her that is just sick if you ask me. Anyone dany kills is quick bot drawn out to be torture. In my opinion the Lannister army deserved it they have had it coming for a long time, they rape burn and pillage villages,they were literally on their way back from murdering an entire house along with all their gaurds just o their ruler could steal all of their gold and food. You know coz that's a reasonable reason to wipe a family and every servant they had out ✌ lol

[@rightwhereyouleftme__]

It's amazing to me that Dany always gets criticized for being a fearless, strong and ruthless leader when Jon and Robb were praised for acting the same way. Robb was cutting down Lannister men left and right and was beloved. Tyrion has done tonnes of questionable things and still loved. Jon murdered thousands of wildlings in the battle against the Night's Watch and he is everyone's golden boy. I love Jon too because he in an honorable, good man and inspiring leader but I must admit I take up for Dany in particular due to her getting judged more harshly. I see so many Dany haters and people comparing her to a psychotic tyrant and it baffles me.

[@ninah1903]

This is by far the best episode in GOT

[@sammyk123-n5n]

Uhh by far? HELL no. It's a great episode, but nowhere near Winds of Winter, BOTB, Red Wedding, Hardhome or The Door.

[@No_one795]

@Nina TOTALLY AGREE

[@withxoutxlife]

Just wanted to mention that she didn't burn the gold, it was already in King's Landing. So the Lannisters were still able to pay their debt to the Iron Bank. Agree with the rest of what you said. :)

[@ltrain4479]

The gold made it through to Kings Landing. So they were still able to pay off the debt. She burned all the supporting stuff like food, supplies and equipment.

[@DutchDread]

Dude, it's not even top 10, you're honestly putting this above winds of winter?

[@theabradford8813]

Don’t forget, Jamie doesn’t know Danaerys - he DID know her father, and murdered him to stop an entire city from being burned alive (ironic considering Cercei...) but I always felt like watching his men burning into literal ashes, with a Targaryen behind it, triggered him, which is what spurred him to try to kill her

[@Orapac4142]

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[@davidjones5333]

Well if he kills Danerys they win the war, the dragons are no longer under control, the Dothraki fragment, the Westerosi allies turn against each other. It would be incredibly stupid not to target her.

[@muriloninja]

You are totally overthinking it. If you read ASOIAF you will know that Jaimie is daring and doesn't always use rational thought, him gunning for Dany was his "I can end the war right here with a single stroke" moment. It's the only realistic thing from this episode considering how off the rails the writing and plot armor has gotten since D&D lost word for word source material.

[@tandyp9256]

That battle was so hard for me. I realized how much I loved Bronn and Jaime. I freaked out at possibly losing them.

[@obsidian4005]

Daenerys's advisers mainly Tyrion have been letting her down big time. She has been losing on every front, it was only a matter of time before she completely disregarded their advice.

[@TheBongReyes]

Haha... imagine we had to wait a whole week for the next episode. Daenerys didn’t attack civilians. She attacked an army. She did what she didn’t plan to do. Cersi has plenty of wildfire still. There is enough to destroy all of King’s Landing. When Daenerys asked Jon to bend the knee to save his people. Jon asked the same to Mance. Jon & Mance answered the same way. What wasn’t discussed was that Highgarden’s good was successfully delivered to Cersi.

[@melissavukelic4138]

Highgarden's goods were NOT successfully delivered to Cersei. The Lanister army was attacked be Daenerys on their way back to king's landing with the loot. It was all destroyed! And Cersei used all that was left of the wildfire caches left by the mad king to blow up the sept along with much of the area surrounding it.

[@sealofapproval637]

Thank you! Everyone forgets the lesson Jon is supposed to have learned from Mance "we do not kneel"

[@alexnicole89]

This isn't about Nikki or Steven, but I don't get how GoT fans stop understanding nuance by the time this season comes around. Were y'all heated about Robb Stark catching Lannister armies off guard in seasons 1 and 2? Did you get angry about Tyrion blowing up Stannis' fleet at the Blackwater? No. Because it's war, and soldiers die during battles. Jfc

[@tyronesmith4598]

I think its because its under diffidence circumstances, Robb had to kill those Lannister soldiers because the Lannister's chopped of his fathers head and demanded he bend the knee, Tyroin had to blow up Stannis' fleet because he had no other choice, Stannis was the aggressor. This isn't my stance but I think a lot of people were 'heated' because unlike Robb or Tyroin, Dany is the aggressor in this situation, she didn't need to come to westros, she could of lived nicely in essos but she decided to come and wage war, knowing many people will die because of it. got isn't really black and white, its about different perspectives and that what makes it great imo.

[@alexnicole89]

@@tyronesmith4598 Am I missing something lmao did the Lannisters not just slaughter the Tyrell army/house? I get what you're saying about how she didn't need to come to Westeros but that implies that Westeros is better off under Cersei's rule if no one comes to challenge her, as if Cersei isn't both an aggressor and a tyrant, selfish, etc

[@tyronesmith4598]

​@@alexnicole89 you're right about the Lannister's slaughtering the Tyrells but think about this, if Tommen didn't commit suicide or Westros actually had a decent ruler, do u think Dany would just say "oh im going to pack up and head back to Essos now", No, she would still want to take over and wage war because she wants the throne (this is mostly due to Viserys influencing her in her childhood about the Targaryens resulting in her becoming very entitled ).

[@alexnicole89]

Tyrone Smith sure, I get what you mean. Dany has always been entitled but that still doesn’t negate the fact that she always wants to do good by the people she rules, and she’s by far the best chance the people have at a decent life under a ruler than Cersei. That’s how the circumstances have played out so it’s difficult to talk about it in another context, but I understand what you mean.

[@aeternavictrix7861]

Alex Nicole haha this aged well

[@isaiahbutler]

When Daenerys puts Drogon to bed at night he makes her check under the bed for Bronn.

[@LeChaunce]

I actually laughed out loud at that one.

[@natelyless469]

I don’t think this comment got saved so I’m writing it again. Steven I think you’re being too hard on Daenerys this season. First you always wanted her to “burn Meereen down” and go to Westeros to get the iron throne but now that she’s there trying to do it you don’t like it and you’re critizing/judging her unfairly . You’re seeing the whole thing too much from Jon’s point of view, do you think that she poured blood, sweat & tears for 6 seasons just to be like : hey ok I don’t care about the iron throne anymore I’m gonna join your cause , even if I don’t know you, just because you say so... That doesn’t make any sense. Of course the white walkers are the first thing to care about but firstly she doesn’t know him and what we all know about it all, and secondly the whole Westeros doesn’t believe in white walkers and the night king (except for some in the north maybe) cause they NEVER SAW them ( but they did see dragons and Targaryens, even if centuries before) , so you’re argument that she “has” to believe Jon because of the magical things happened to her doesn’t make any sense too. Dragons & the Targaryens relation with them is well known and documented in history books (like the ones Sheeren was reading ) . About her attitude is pretty understandable why she’s “acting” like that considering what she’s been through all this past seasons. Her defensiveness is due obviously to the fact that people have been sent to kill her since the moment she was born, Jorah betraying her (even if he was forgiven) and all the other bad things happened to her. Regarding her authoritative behavior that too is understandable if you consider that what she did in Spoils of WAr is exactly what she had to do in Meereen to defeat the masters and free slavers bay once and for all . That’s the way she knows, people are never gonna respect her and take her seriously if she uses her dragons just as pets when they have so much potential. So try to look it less from Jon’s point of view and see what Dany is coming from too. Love you both so much btw 😄♥️ But I always defend my Dany when people come for her unfairly. Can’t wait for you guys to watch the next episodes 🔥🔥

[@ignitetheballoon9054]

Here! here!

[@hushedBitch]

Preach it sis

[@BreakingBatman187]

You shouldn't feel bad about the horses. They knew what they were signing up for when they joined the Horse Army.

[@jmillzoryan9763]

I know you all will read comments a bit. But she did listen to Jon after all. Fought an army in a field of War. Not innocent civilians in KL.

[@libby8090]

This battle had me as conflicted as the Brienn/Hound fight. I spent the whole time just panicking no matter what side was in danger. Oh and I BELIEVE Dany did this because it was a compromise of advice. (as she is prone to do, unsullied Barriston/Jorah being the best example) She DIDN'T go burn cities, she met the army on the battlefield instead. IS this how others interpreted it? Cause I didn't think she was just like "fuck it, burn them all" I don't think Dany was disregarding her advisors at all.

[@damionrichter5366]

Exactly, she didn't go to King's Landing and 'burn them all'😎!! She has been on the losing side so far, so she needed to send a message that she's not one to be f***ed with.

[@shatteredabby964]

That is exactly how I interpreted it. Now sure if it has been said or not but Misandae pointed out she would listen and sometimes ignore the advice because she saw another way.

[@albertocruzado2899]

The problem is that part of the battle is from Jaime point of view, with all the horror and terror he is feeling, an his valor in his trying to stop something that cant be stop. Of course, because of that, some people think that Daenerys is doing something wrong. Is not wrong from Daenerys perspective. We know that. But of course it is in Jaime point of view. I will say that the concept of one of the main protagonist of the serie is almost a villain in this battle, all because of the point of view they choose to represent the battle, say a lot. To Jaime, Daenerys is a crazy Targaryen with foreign invaders who is burning his entire army. Not very difficult to think that, if I were in his shoes.

[@LETSPLAYmarkus1]

I love the end scene of this episode. Waiting for this since you react to season one!

[@jimjimcherie]

Same!! Since I've found them I've been waiting for this episode.

[@JinxFromArcaneShow]

Yes, I'm waiting for it too

[@fedemona1]

This whole battle was amazing! I just wish it changed something... the gold is gone already, Bronn lives, Jamie lives, Drogon is fine... i would've kill Bronn and made Jamie prisoner, that would've also fix the terrible pacing in episode 5 since Tyrion didn't have to speak with him, and would've also be interesting to force Cersei to talk if they had Jamie... i dunno,,,

[@Mama-Dee1969]

ME to because omg when it aired we all sat freaking out slapping each other going OMG OMG OMG aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh

[@demmyglubber2496]

What a crap take this is. Season 7 is an absolute gem through and through.@@fedemona1

[@abarton1978]

One reason I love this battle sequence so much (even though the Battle of the Bastards is visually better) is because it does what most movies / shows can't do : it makes you really feel the cost of war because you love characters on both sides. I think the audience probably felt a lot like Tyrion as he watched. He loves his brother Jamie and his friend Bronn, and he loves his chosen queen, Danaerys. None of those characters are perfect, but we love them (especially Drogon), and the thought of losing any of them is heart-wrenching. You don't always have someone like Ramsey Bolton to fight, who was soooo beyond redemption and easy to hate. It's like the whole battle becomes a metaphor for how difficult it's going to be for humans to work together against the night king. (Still pretty sure I hate Ramsey more than I hate the night king.)

[@mten10th67]

You guys have to do a better job at paying attention. Also, do you guys think its ok for Dany's troops to be killed in battle, but think she's wrong for attacking her enemy's army? This is a war. NOBODY advised against Dany attacking the army. They only advised that she not burn down King's Landing, which she clearly didn't.

[@shinlanten]

*_"Why even ask people their opinion???"_* She *_attacked the enemy combatant ARMIES_* of the Lannisters and the Tarly's, *_she DID NOT attack Kings Landing (the Red Keep specifically)_* which is what she wanted to do until Jon and Tyrion (mainly Jon) convinced her not to. She basically did the same thing her ancestor, Aegon The Conqueror did when he took the 7 Kingdoms. Found it ironic being that Steve said he would have been ok with her torching Meereen.

[@purplegorilla9592]

Welp....

[@saradojcinovic6146]

Also, about bending the knee, remember Mance Ryder and the Freefolk. Mance, too, didn't want to submit to southern ruler, kinda for the similar reasons because Jon now doesn't want to. And remember what Jon told him, the exactly same thing Daenerys told Jon here. ' Isn't their survival more important then your pride?' And tbh I didn't like Daenerys and how was she handling the situation, but then I realised that she was a woman in a men's world, and the only men she was mostly acquaintaned with were generally savage men, men without strong moral principles or honor, men who didn't respect women and only showed Dany respect when she showed her power. So she is acting accordingly to her experience. She feels like she has to flaunt her power, titles, bloodline, because she expects Jon, and anyone else in Westeros to be the same as the men she knew all her life.

[@anentireamazon2829]

Sara Dojcinovic There you go! I totally agree

[@laylacreativeworks9304]

Also, Jon never really wanted to be king. He said so himself before he left to meet Dany. The Northeners kind of just chose him and forced him into it. I understand that Jon is very honorable and when he swears an oath he sticks to it, but Jon is basically fighting to keep something he really doesn't want, while Dany is fighting for something she has fought very hard for. She has spent her whole life wanting to go back home, and then half her life amassing an army to take back the throne. She has sacrificed everything for this, and now she's just supposed to roll over and trust complete strangers?? I love them both, but I always understood Danys side more in this situation. Jon's ultimate goal is to defeat the Night King, he doesn't care about the Iron Throne or any other throne, so why didn't he just bend the knee from the start and get Dany to focus on the North!? She says she will help him if he bends the knee, so why not just do it?

[@shady0810]

​@@laylacreativeworks9304 Because that would divide the North again. Its not about pride.

[@jcompton8507]

@@laylacreativeworks9304 Yes! I agree with almost all you say here. However, if you really think about it, both Dany's and Jon's sides are understandable. As Sara Dojcinovic said, Jon can't bend the knee for the same reason Mance couldn't: the people he united for a common cause would fall back into factions if he kneeled. I think the writers drew a parallel here to show that Jon is only now beginning to understand the situation Mance was in: both of their holds on their people is too tentative to assume their people would accept it if their leader kneeled to someone else. (Remember, Jon doesn't just have the North (who allegiances, if we're honest, are not at all as dependable as advertised); through Littlefinger and Sansa, he technically has the Vale as well, as long as the two of them stay committed to him...and would they if he kneeled?) That being said, I definitely wouldn't expect Dany to understand or accept Jon's refusal to kneel straight away. To me, their initial interactions seem way more natural than if they were immediately BFFs, and Dany dropped her quest for the throne to move her whole force North. That's a huge commitment from her for someone she only just met. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I personally love the development of their alliance, watching, episode by episode, as each comes to understand and identify a little more with the other. In the end, I think the problem is just that many people - and I totally get it! - forget the fact that the viewer's omniscience allows us to know all of the characters and make our own conclusions on where the most pressing matters lie. And it doesn't help that we're all a bit blinded by how badly many of us want our favorite characters to be on the same team.

[@laylacreativeworks9304]

@@jcompton8507 I completely agree, and I get it! It's not that I don't understand Jon, I do, but ultimately Jon has never followed rules. That's why he always got in trouble in the first few seasons. He sticks to what he considers is right and important, and rolls with it until the end even if it will get him killed. He wouldn't have united the Northeners and the Wildlings if he didn't. Every single move he has taken has always been about some greater good, and bending the knee to get Dany on his side and then convicing his people of his decision later just seemed like something Jon would to me. It seemed in character. I wouldn't have expected Jon to meet Dany and just bend the knee straight away, but considering the Night King is his primary concern and everything he has done to focus all efforts on defeating him, I also didn't expect Jon to hold out with bending the knee for so long. I get them both, but in these first episodes I just understood that Danys request of fealty meant much more to her, than Jons need to hold out did to him. I just understood her stubbornness more than I did Jons. But I also loved the development as it was done. Although this last season was rushed, their relationship felt very natural, so I'm happy for that. They both sacrificed and lost something, and grew a bond and trust through it. Now I'm just super nervous for the last season, because I feel like this season was just a setup for all the shit they're gonna do to all our favorite characters in the end. For some reason I fear Jon and Dany are gonna take the hardest hits in the finale! :(

[@joshuawilliams4695]

This is war and she is defeating the army that just killed her allies. I agreed with how stupid she was being with Jon last episode but this episode she is completely justified.

[@ingeloakastimizilian9078]

Doesn't last long tho.

[@aimeemarie5462]

I'm literally screaming at my computer "ITS A MOTHER F-ING WARRRRRR COME ON!!" lol

[@LordPiggy42]

Hundreds of people get killed “oh wow” One horse gets a spear “NOOOO”

[@yourrollerbladesaregay4527]

It’s to the point where she forces herself to have a crying moment every time a gucking squirrel dies. Super obvious and super Annoying

[@sabre3632]

Great reaction you two. As others have said, she didn't ignore Jon as she didn't attack a city with innocent people. She attacked an army on the field, and those Lannister soldiers are just casualties of war. Aside the group she turned to ash, she focused most of her attack on destroying the wagons of food and resources (The Spoils of War). You guys are awesome and have the best reactions!

[@snake0911]

I'm sorry but dragons weapons of destruction. They're not pets.

[@mattwoodson6427]

Dany DID listen to Jon and Tyrion. She didn’t go burn the city and it’s civilians. She targeted the army in an open field and won a pivotal victory in a war she was clearly losing.

[@benedictusowenwijaya9702]

Guess the writer did her dirty

[@mc_penguinkilla1522]

I see that everybody in the comments have already said mostly what i came here to say so ill leave that be, however there is one thing id like to bring to your attention. In the 'Battle of the Whispering Wood' where Rob Stark initially captured Jamie Lannister it was mentioned that when it was clear that the Starks were winning, Jamie broke ranks and attacked Rob head on. They said Jamie cut through half a dozen men or something like that in order to get to Rob before he was finally captured. He knew that killing Rob would end the war and all the fighting, even if it meant his certain death. Hes always been willing to sacrifice himself to save everybody else. He sacrificed his honor to slay the Mad King, he risked his life to kill Rob Stark to end the war and save all the people who would have died had it continued, he again risked his life to save Brienne from a bear, and now he essentially sacrificed his life to charge at Dany and her dragon knowing that if he could strike the blow it would end the war even though he knew Drogon would kill him. Its always been his M.O.. The fact of the matter is that whether you love him or hate him Jamie is one of the bravest men in Westeros and one of the most selfless heroes in this story. I think he deserves more respect than people like to give him.

[@huney8cocoa]

In a way Danaerys wasn't really disregarding the advice people gave her. She basically took what they said and took what she felt she had to do, and came up with what she believed to be a suitable compromise for her. Instead of taking all her dragons and her entire army and laying seige to Westeros, she took just the Dothraki and Drogon, and attacked the only Lannister army on the open road.

[@sararowe8358]

We do not know that Tyrion did not agree to this attack plan. It may have been part of his idea. That conversation was left out for the sake of surprising us. She did not burn cities and castles as she wanted. She listened. She attacked an army in the field that had just wiped out one of her armies and who was bringing supplies back that would support her enemy. She is at war and had to fight and she made a good choice. She did not melt buildings and kill civilians, she killed enemy soldiers.

[@ma-px1nb]

but what do you think she has to do tho? she can't attack cities, she got it, but she can't attack her enemies on an open field too? haha, I feel like u guys are tripping over Daenerys these past episodes because she is strict with JON but u have to understand her too. she is losing at this point and has to show strength so Cersei doesn't think she is weak. I think that is why the episode is called spoil of war after all.

[@nostalgicbliss5547]

She was strict with Tyrion too. Scolded the shit outta the imp.

[@Chilicat1]

She DID listen to the advice, come on, guys. She wanted to burn the Red Keep, instead she went into battle, she attacked the army. You cheered her when she burned the ship in Meereen. Steven, do you remember how you wanted Dany to burn the whole city of Meereen? You didn't care then, that's hypocrisy. Jon fanboying clouds your thoughts. And yes I'm still on team Dany. To be precise I'm on team Dany/Jon. They're both amazing and they both make mistakes.

[@chanon81]

Exactly

[@ciao_abhi]

damn how did Nikki get this far into the show

[@adriellenewberry9505]

I love Jon and Dany the same. But if you recall Jon told Mance the same thing about bending the knee to save his people. Mance didn't bend the knee and as a result thousands upon thousands died at hardhome! Now Jon is in the same boat and after knowing how much it cost the wildlings when Mance didn't bend he shouldn't be stubborn, it's not like he wants to rule anyway!! Not to mention his army stands no chance against Night King without Dany`s dragons. Also Tyrion`s battle strategy was horrible, Dany should've listened to Olenna at first and she still would have her allies and lady Olenna would still be alive

[@toadstream6309]

Writers wanted this

[@SuperrDee03]

Did yall expect the dragons to be just a decoration for her castle??

[@SuperrDee03]

Big Boss nah, its better to see them die in the great war.

[@stevem2323]

@Big Boss To die in this battle, how exactly, that fucking huge spear only tickled Drogon.

[@UKMessi1]

@@stevem2323 i think he made a joke, meaning the dragon's armour when he gets hit

[@renatofabbro5263]

@Big Boss Only a douchebag would want the dragons to die. Fuck off.

[@austinschwartz61]

Renato Fabbro he doesn’t want the dragons to die, he’s saying with such a powerful and hyped up army coming, how can the dragons not die and a ton of people. If the dragons and a whole bunch of people die it would be a let down for me and a lot of people. If only a couple of main characters die and armies not devastated it would be a let down. The night king has a dragon, dragon killing spears, hundred of thousands of dead warriors, and a lot of dead giants, and a dragon, why would there not be much death.

[@Vtones25]

Hahaha lots of the comments are saying what I was about to say- Dany listened to Jon and Tyrion by not taking the city. She just attacked the crops and helped her men get an advantage on the Lannister army.

[@tomw4955]

as others said: Dany did listen. She didnt burn cities. She burned her enemies army. Though I also felt bad for the soldiers cause damn that dragon fire is a horrible way to go. And Dany put her foot down. She needed a win. She got it decisively. As to the Ballista? There are more. Like many more. Qyburn said the Smiths of Kingslanding worked day and night. Likely there are ballistas on every tower and battlement.

[@kidgforce1]

Jamie had one of his most heroic knight moments

[@morganBH]

minority opinion but he's probably my favorite character in the series.

[@dionnehyman]

First I gotta say that I thoroughly enjoy your channel and your honest reactions to these shows. But I also want to add that these reactions are an indication that y'all are genuinely good and decent people.

[@spiritwolf5539]

People are quick to forget that it's war. Jon told her she shouldn't burn castles or cities. She listened to him. She mostly burned supplies and put holes in their lines to make it easy for the dothraki. But she didn't go overboard like she wanted to. If she did she would've brought all 3 of them and burned everyone. Plus she has had the same strategy throughout only difference is you know the people on the other side

[@Kat-jk7zq]

This didnt age well

[@briwilliams1891]

Jon advised that she not go to Kings Landing and burn it down. Not that she not use her dragons to fight her enemies armies. She fought them in an open field (the Dothraki in an open field, Ned!!!) away from and civilians or innocent people who could be harmed. No one advised her not to do that, and the only time they’ve advised not to use her dragons against an army was only because she could be harmed, not because it’s wrong to burn armies or whatever.

[@StanleyMabonga]

I am team Dany all the way.😎😍

[@jolie8971]

same the lannisters just came back from a fun day trip murdering dany's ally. they got what they deserved lol

[@tyroneloki5131]

Cersei for the win!!!

[@Ladysali-ob1ey]

My least favourite character

[@rugr82day]

Team Jon!

[@roro_thatsme]

YESSS!!! Team Dany!!!

[@KateDenthimamai]

The scene @7:29 is THE masterpiece, I almost cried the first time I saw it at how good the visuals and the way the dragon appeared in the frame.

[@Darkwolfie33]

I really appreciate how Arya looks like her father as far as attire and hair style. And I love the reaction guys, we getting towards the end and everyone can't make it so buckle up for a rough ride.

[@SashaRicky]

Wait Steven, so Jon can't bend the knee to Daenerys because of his people, but Daenerys is supposed to give Jon her armies and dragons, abandon her war for his and offer all of it for nothing in return? Doesn't seem fair you're blaming Daenerys for that.

[@airtonmendonca7748]

Thank you!

[@tunderdiamant8651]

Abandon her war for his ? Hum .. It's the same war ...

[@mickys333]

I mean, him bending the knee might cause discord among his camp and that's the last thing he needs. And I understand Dany not wanting to fight in some other war without anything in return but this is not just some other war, this is THE war. If the north should fall and the night king comes through with all of the defeated northmen (roughly 1million) plus all the people that have died and been buried there for thousands of years and the army he already has, it won't matter if she has taken the throne or has 3 large dragons, The night king would be unstoppable by then. She has to fight in this war whether she has something to gain in return or not. That being said if I was Jon i would've said i'd bend the knee once the war was won and even help her take the Iron Throne. There are too many variables, unknown factors and entirely too much at risk to risk fracturing the newly formed alliance in the North.

[@aimeemarie5462]

@@mickys333 you keep ignoring that she really didnt believe it though. Not until she saw. Once she saw she immediately told him she would help and that was WITHOUT him bending the knee. He does that AFTER she says they will defeat the Night King together.

[@Axel-ll2jp]

True

[@Wolf1354]

Guys how do you think she's gonna take King's Landing if she doesn't destroy the Lannister army? This is a war and people are going to die on the battlefield. It's not like she killed hundreds of civilians with her dragons. You two come across as completely clueless sometimes.

[@JoviLevi]

BadWolf - It's only a war because she insists that it is. She doesn't have to fight and conquer, you know.

[@jcompton8507]

@@JoviLevi So we just let Cersei the Benevolent rule Westeros?

[@JoviLevi]

C Hosey - Did you purposefully miss my point? Of course Cersei isn't gonna just give it up. I'm not saying she should. But Dany fighting to *get that power* is the problem here, not that Cersei has it.

[@johnpedler2892]

I think the problem with dany is unlike everyone else she has an unfair advantage cos of the dragons, previous episodes showed that without the dragons dany would lose the war right away

[@sandraberglund807]

It's important to note the difference between Dany going to King's Landing and burning it and all the innocent people there to the ground vs her meeting the Lannister ARMY in an open field. That's fair game and well within her rights. They're in a war after all and she can't just sit back and let the Lannister army murder all her allies. She did listen to her advisers, she didn't attack King's Landing. Instead, she took her army and went to war in the only way she should: army vs army battle.

[@arlanseabra1306]

oh ffs. You know what's going on and what Daenerys did. You just decided to question every move she does. She has advisors so she can have options and think about what she is going to do.

[@gluuuuue]

"So why even ask people their opinion?" 1) There's a difference between listening to the counsel of your advisors saying you should do A and then still deciding B is the better course vs. never having the counsel and just deciding B. (There was some discussion of this between Dani and Jorah, I believe it was, during earlier seasons.) There are distinctions that have ethical repercussions concerning the process and wisdom of how the end decision is arrived at, despite the immediate outcomes appearing identical in the short-term. 2) Notice that Tyrion favors strategy, diplomacy, subterfuge, and manipulation: policies that favor intelligence over physical strength. That's consistent with his entire life experience of being a dwarf, and those we've seen in the show. Dani, despite having similar origins, also has very specific powers as well as strength fitting the "dragon" side of her character. She's more effective when at times she unabashedly displays that power and strength, but particularly at specific times because it both commands respect and alters the perceptions of the other players around her (as seen through the show). Their mutual abilities can complement each other or conflict, resulting in better or worse results. 3) Also notice, Jon and Tyrion advised against Dani using her dragons to lay waste and destruction to *King's Landing*. So she went for the Lannister army that took out the Reach and House Tyrell. (Although House Tyrell was effectively ended (unfortunately) when Cersei killed off the last Tyrells who might ever continue their line.)

[@subculturenz]

Well actually Jon said to her not to burn down cities of innocents, what Dany did was cut down an army that had been terrorizing many other areas of Westeros and burned down the supply carts that would be needed to feed that army.

[@SashaRicky]

Just want to point out that the men Daenerys and Drogon are burning are the men that slaughtered all of Highgarden. Also Jon advised that Dany not burn Kings Landing, and she didn't.

[@bundescoach3528]

RIP that comment

[@joesubel]

Yeahhhh about that last part

[@fyreflye100]

As many others have pointed out, Dany didn't ignore Jon's advice. He didn't want her to burn down castles and kill innocent civilians. She went to battle against an army who had just slaughtered her ally, on an open field. No innocent civilians were hurt. Also, Dany's line to Jon about isn't their survival more important than your pride was a direct callback, word for word, to what Jon said to Mance a few seasons back. Without realizing it, she was using Jon's own logic against him. Jon is a fantastic character and I get that he's your favorite. But he's not the be-all-end-all of the show, and if you view every single thing that happens in terms of Jon and whether or not everybody agrees with him, you're going to miss some things.

[@skizz0phrenia270]

I was raised around horses, dogs, chickens, etc. my entire life. Know what I don't do? Freak the fuck out any time one gets hurt in a show that's literally pretend.

[@nileyfan1998]

"Is Daenerys happy about killing lodes of people" erm....these same men killed LODES of Tyrell soilders a few hours ago but yet people forget that and diss daenerys for doing this 😂😂😂😂 I honestly can't

[@extra6839]

chill tf out its not that serious, people have opinions, DUH and read the pinned comment 😷

[@sboyd8312]

You guys misunderstand the debate Dany was having with Tyrion and Jon. It was originally suggested she just go to King’s Landing, burn everything and take over the city, killing Cersei, hundreds of lords, and thousands of civilians. John says her “burning castles and cities” would make her all the same. The Mad King wanted to blow up the King’s Landing and burned innocent people for fun. Her ancestors used the dragons to destroy cities and burn houses into submission. So instead of taking the easy, horrific way out, she went and stopped the Lannister’s from getting High Garden’s money. If you look closely she doesn’t actually pierce the line of soldiers very much, she mostly burns the crops and provisions they had. All she did was go and fight a battle, the difference is she just used a dragon. She actually did take the advice of Tyrion and Jon, I think you guys just got it a bit confused😅.

[@shatteredabby964]

Just a little correction. Lord Tarley told Jaime that the money had already made it to Kings Landing. They lost all the supplies an army needs. With winter here those were desperately needed and arguably more precious than gold. Ideally Dany would have captured those supplies for her people but that was not really doable so destroying it was the next best thing.

[@mike777ok]

I agree. She did not destroy cities and castles, she destroyed an army in the open field. She came to Westeros to conquer it which means she going to fight somebody. This was a compromise. Dany keeps saying bend the knee because she's come to Conquer Westeros. I also was a little uncomfortable with the way Dany spoke with John when he first arrived but I understood. The meeting was a little tough but it could have gone much worse. Think about all the Kings you have met in this series. If John was in conflict (and yes not bending the knee is a conflict to that kings authority like it or not) with any other Kings and then showed up and did not bend the knee, how would most of them have treated him. Robert Baratheon would not have been very nice and forget about how Cersei would have treated him. Tywin would not have been any better and Stannis killed his own brother for not bending the knee.

[@myrtle05]

Daenerys did actually heed the advice of Jon & Tyrion. She did not take all three dragons and she did not attack the city. She needed to make a move & display a show of strength (and be the dragon that Lady Olenna told her to be). She attacked only the army who just defeated an ally, and quite frankly Cersei needed to suffer a defeat. It was brutal, but necessary. The fact that she even asked Jon for his opinion, suggests that she is softening towards him a little bit. Great battle, the CGI was amazing. I too gasped for breath when Drogon got hit. Not sure how Bronn survived that blast of dragon fire; no way he could have jumped that far out of the way. I don't like Bronn at all (wish he got toasted), but he was an MVP in this episode. Of course, Drogon was MVP #1. RIP those horses at the end.Thanks for posting the vids - you're both doing a great job.

[@Naldo2001]

She attacked just enough troops at the tail end of the army as well. maybe a thousand or so troops, not the entire Lannister army. Just enough to display her strength.

[@Ari33sa]

But I think despite her not attacking cities it's still pretty shocking to see the result of that. Of course it was predictable that it would be so effective. But this is one of the first times we actually se her riding a dragon into actual battle and the result is just horrific in terms of how destructive just this one dragon is. Doesn'T really change whether the soldiers are civilian or not ^^ That said ... I think she shouldn't have burned all the food :D she was just complaining about not having enoug food for her dothraki and winter is coming ... would have been better to try and keep it not destroy it purposefully.

[@revanruler6404]

Actually attacking and burning the red keep would have saved many lives, à lot of servants would have died but cersei and qyburn would be dead and the war would be over, the lannister soldiers were mostly conscripted commoners who didn't want to fight for cersei but were forced. Although burning the red keep could start a chain réaction with the wildfire that destroys the whole city but Jon didn't know that.

[@Ari33sa]

@@revanruler6404 no it would have likely been a disaster. Kings Landing is a 1 Million people City. The Red Keep is the greatst bildung in king's Landing. Believe me when I say that fire hazard precautions in cities of the Middle ages were ... maybe better than one would expect But still Bad. So First loads of people work in and around the Red Keep. Nor just a few Servants. Secondly there's no guarantee that Dany's dragon could actually Focus the attack solely on the Red Keep. Even while doing that they would be shot at from the Walls so it would be likely (for Dany to save her own life during the attack) to also burn the Walls. Thirdly cersei used the people of kings Landing essentially as hostage. So if Dany Attacked kings Landing she could have (under the pretense of offering protection) invited the people into the Red Keep. After all a Keep is essentially There for precisely that. And lastly even if everything else went well There is no way to prevent a flash-over. That Would be completely up to luck. But i'm pretty certain that an area like flee bottom would Light up like nothing else if only a Sizeable peace of burning Red Keep Fell down to it. So There would absolutely be a risks of burning down the entire City. Eben if not There would be thousands if not ten of thousands of people living in and around the Red Keep. So the death count would be very High. It might easily get higher than there are people in the entire north. Even more so if there's umrest and panic during and afrer the attack. On the other side so far cersei's betrayal has not cost any lives actually. That will likely change But I still think that estimation is a bit premature. Especially since - if she sits out the war with the dead entirely than very likely this will cost far less lives.

[@SusanPepper]

In Dany's defense, she did not attack Kings Landing or any other populated areas and burn down cities and kill innocent men, women and children. She attacked the enemy army with her army and one dragon. I'll bet she got their attention

[@joecargile302]

Daenerys was using Jon's own words against him in the cave when she told him not to let his pride get in the way of saving his people. The same thing that Jon said to Tormund before they went to Hardhome, which in my opinion make them both equally great rulers who value the lives of all men, women and children.

[@AlayneLucia]

See, you misunderstood here! The Lannisters destroyed 3 of her allies and killed them brutally. This was Dany’s self defence and show of power. They deserved it (as bad as that is to say) after starting the war on her allies. And also, she went straight for the loot in the battle and burned only the soldiers in proximity of that loot, avoiding as much slaughter as possible, this is very FAAAAR from mad queen. You need to rewatch this, because she really didn’t do what you thought she did, but listened to Jon. Most of the Lannister soldiers were killed by the Dothraki. Just as Lannisters killed Dany’s army - on ground in fair battle (but Euron also ambushed them on sea). Also, I think she is allowed to expect back something from Jon for giving her entire army to his cause. She has worked very hard to be where she is and to have the allies she does. You can’t expect her to just hand it all over in a heartbeat. Bending the knee is the least Jon could do. Dany is FAR from mad queen, she only used her dragons to open the enemy line and destroy the loot, that is it. She can’t aim perfectly at 0 soldiers. I am 100% team Dany, because she did listen, but you guys just misunderstood the scenes. PS! I still love your reactions, you just gotta rewatch this from her perspective and pay close attention to what happens in the battle, it might have been quite overwhelming at first so you missed it. When you go into next episode, try to remember this is war, it is very important to understand Dany beyond this, otherwise you will get everything mixed up. In war there is no easy choice, most of the time there is no choice. Dany is one of the few people that gives people some choice and tries to do the least harm to everyone as possible, whilst defending against her enemies still.

[@benji5529]

That comment didn't age well..

[@sofieturesson]

What do you mean sandy didn't listen to Jon?! Her plan was to burn down the red keep aka cerceis bedroom. He said burning down castles wouldn't make a better world so she listened. She went to battle instead the way everyone does in war. The way Jon did.

[@tommikoistinen2321]

She did listened to Jon Snow, she did not attack the city full of innocent people. She only attacked Lannister's army. This is war after all.

[@jordivanderzwart1889]

I wonder what you guys think Daenerys should do, how is she going to win a war if she can't kill people? And what's the point of her having dragons if you aren't using them? I really wonder what you guys would do in her position ;) Btw, if you want people to follow you, they need to fear you.. this definetly helps with that :P

[@aimeemarie5462]

That's the problem. I think in their mind she should just drop the whole reason shes in Westeros and go up North with Jon. They are blinded by that.

[@JeepersCreepers2013]

That's how someone like Stalin or Mao get people to follow them. Either that or you can be someone like Reagan who inspired people to do good and kept the military in his back pocket in case he needed it. Daneryous, through the entire show, used force to get her way and move her agenda forward. Not to mention that she's a sociopath.

[@BananaCake26]

They are soooo biased against Dany and blind fanboys of Jon, and they don't get the simplest ideas like R+L=J or that attacking the army instead of the city is actually taking Jon's advise. They were fun to watch before but now it's annoying tbh.

[@bluehope42]

If it wasn't for Nikki, I wouldn't notice how many horses actually die in this show :D