Game of Tones #4 - Should I Go Direct, or Mic an Amp?

The Quest for Tone continues! Why would you want to go Direct? Why would you want to mic up a cab? Should you do both? I'll share with you my experiences with this top in today's episode of Game of Tones.
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[@ThePeisithanatos]

[COMPARISONS] 4:26 DI 6:44 Cabinet 11:00 DI & Cab No Processed 11:27 All Mixes

[@pollaran22]

You're doing the lords work, thank you.

[@Texturas75]

Thanks. Interesting how much Cabinet (6:45) and Cabinet & DI (Phase-corrected, 11:28) sound alike.

[@JoeNo310]

This was perfectI I had this idea to mix a guitar direct-in with a mic'd amp and realized there was a slight phase issue, and hearing you explain it so clearly was very helpful.

[@paulitofm6420]

Awesome video mate, very informative and easy to understand. Thank you, will for sure check out some other videos of yours now 👌

[@BibleBeltBlues]

Well done. The voice of experience. Thanks for this vid.

[@KCarubia]

Phase effect in the audio was cool. I caught it!

[@deadbeatstudios]

;)

[@allendestine3406]

I noticed that too

[@julian.borisov]

yeah, me too. Too none emphasis on that cool feature of the video :D

[@johnsguitarmusicanddemos]

*Thanks very much! This is the best tutorial about putting a mic to your cab. 🎥🏆🎶🎵 I’m always trying to get the sound as good as possible in my own videos so this really helps! 🐇🇺🇸⭐️🎶 Have a happy Easter! Again, thank you!*

[@zarcero21]

Excellent video. Very well explained.

[@artboysf]

That was really easy to understand but also detailed! I would be interested to hear a compariison of a mic-ed amp and a virtual amp.

[@KCdurt]

That intro is life bro.

[@rafbass]

Oooooo!!! I just saw your Patreon. I will support! What you have to say has HUGE value to me, and you seen to be a nice guy :))

[@rafbass]

The phase effect on the audio is very helpful

[@Dancingisforbidden86]

This was the video I was looking for!!

[@A.A1995]

There's tube amps like the Ampeg PF50T and Fender Bassman 100T, that use post power amp signal. So you can get tube power distortion through the DI and make the stage PA system the tube amplifier itself

[@dxzebeats]

Great info, thanks!

[@kingpriapatius5832]

Great video. I do the same combination: DI for lows and a reamped channel for mids/highs. Super clean lows and more character and ear-friendly mids/highs at the same time!

[@Bradenpaul]

super helpful video! thanks mate!!

[@deadbeatstudios]

You're very welcome Braden!

[@420scene]

I used to just go direct but now I record my guitars through an SM57 mic’d to my amps. (BOSS Katana MK2 & Orange CR60C)

[@hokral7915]

Do you have the boss katana mk2 50? I am looking to buy that now and I'm wondering if it sounds good.

[@chazzmccloud36]

"When will Then be Now", damn that was a good line. Dark Helmet couldn't have said it better!

[@deadbeatstudios]

haha thanks!

[@MFCbass65]

First, that bass sounded amazing. I preferred the D.I sound the best. I have an Gk plex that I have to level things down cause it wants add to much to my mix. I also bought a ampeg scr that give me option to play direct without the preamp. Overall they both have their uses. Love them both. Great video

[@santiagolmateos]

Great video! Congrats! You really know your craft. Im planning on getting an Aguilar Toner Hammer DI pedal for on stage settings. This way I would use my amp as a monitor and send the DI into de mixer. Would you agree this a good setting (on a budget)?

[@amdenis]

GREAT album name!

[@PhattStaxxTraxx]

Your a Phat Bass player dude! Thanks for the help!

[@deadbeatstudios]

Thank you Kerry, I'm honored!

[@ThePhoton6]

awesome info !

[@deadbeatstudios]

Thanks! I'm glad you found it helpful :)

[@Urbina930]

Yes mannn cool video and examples

[@deadbeatstudios]

Thank you!

[@ErixSamson]

Great, useful video

[@deadbeatstudios]

Thanks!

[@SeanLaMontagne]

Wow this video was informative

[@AJbassist]

i love my pre/di Aguiar blending that wit mic my 12live n studio mic 12 n 10 and having a clean clean di then have dirty mildly overdriven amp, what do u like about reddi vs u5, bae1073

[@Texturas75]

It's interesting how much Cabinet (6:45) and Cabinet & DI (Phase-corrected, 11:28) sound alike. Cabinet sound rules!

[@ajdsp]

Thank You !!!

[@doublebass101]

Hello , thank you so much for great video , I currently own an acoustic image amp head and want to record something, there is a direct out XLR out put, my question is can I plug in from amp’s direct out to my audio interface without a D.I box ? Or do I need a D.I box in between? Thank you

[@guyfox113]

Thanks! I'm wondering if you will explain the signal flow from the bass? You thump a string, it goes out your bass' cable to the DI? Same jacks as the bass? The signal is in the DI and you XLR that to a soundboard? How does the sound get to the amp? or is the DI cabled to the amp and the soundboard? thanks in advance.

[@woodyoulove-reynaldguibone6890]

Amp sim and cab sim with balanced output is my go to.

[@rafbass]

I got that using 2 tracks is awesome, one with the DI and another with the Mic. What do you think about using only the DI with UAD Plug-ins like Neve1073, Hitsville EQ and Teletronix L2-A2? Do you think that chain would be able to color the DI sound as it was mic’ed? Thanks. Excellent video by the way. You are very good!!!

[@ironxmike83]

you're an excellent teacher!

[@deadbeatstudios]

Thank you so much Mike! I'm honored! If it's not too much to ask, would you mind sharing this video for me? I'd really appreciate the help!

[@ironxmike83]

of course! very relevant and useful information! I enjoy your work and get inspired by you to be a better bass player/musician. amazing how I've survived all these years .

[@deadbeatstudios]

Thank you so much, I'm really gad you're digging the channel! There's plenty more at TheBassist.net if you're interested!

[@rlin2648]

Use a DI output which sends the processed signal through the out if available then you get the signal the way the amp processed it instead of a dry pre-amp signal. On Some amps you can choose the mixed or processed signal and others might only offer the processed signal while some may only allow you to get a dry signal.

[@SeverinoSE]

Is there some coloration or other effect on the tones when you phase correct? If so, I think I would just pass the phase correcting step and just go with either DI for pristine tones or mic'd cab for vintage / organic tones, not both together. Preferably DI since the guitar, the vocals, and the drums are already recorded mic'd.

[@erichobbs4042]

Great video. Here's what I do. I'm a guitarist, and I have a bunch of pedals and an amp which makes up what I consider to be "my tone". So I always mic up the cab for recording my guitar parts. I have a bass, and I can play really simple bass parts, but I don't have a bass amp, and it sounds like garbage if I play it through the guitar amp. Not enough bottom. So I just DI it and use a VST bass amp plug in to get the sound I am looking for. Best of all worlds as far as I am concerned.

[@ataconazi]

he didn't really talk about pre/post you can go DI before or after your sound gets colored by the Amp as long as your amp has the option. if you go post you still miss the cab/Mic color obviously.

[@Brutuscomedy]

Can also, when recording, zoom in and move the delayed signal to match the direct one No plugin required

[@TRIPPgothic]

ive only been using the ampeg di for live shows i love using n get asked what i use on stage the only problem i have is that some times n bass isnt as loud as id want it to the front of house n hardly having any stafe volume, would it be best to run the pedal thro a cab?

[@CordScott]

Cool video. One thing to touch on might be pre vs post eq on DI out from the amp. As a sound guy and a bass player, a lot of bassists I would mix had been beaten into submission by other engineers and felt like it was a sin to send me a post eq signal. I liked the post eq signal on amps with really nice pre-amp sections because without it you pretty much loose that part of the signal chain.

[@deadbeatstudios]

Ya I try to send it post EQ to them so that they have less work to do (hopefully!).

[@CordScott]

It brings some life and character back to the DI sound too, especially with a nice bass/preamp combo. I always wanted to let people sound like themselves. Your tone is a big part of how you present your playing to the audience.

[@deadbeatstudios]

Absolutely. I think this is especially important in the studio - the "track dry and fix it later" workflow has never worked well for me.

[@luisrosario788]

What do u think about doing a keyboard since my output doesn’t work so I’m running a mic on the amp what do u guys think ?

[@Ozzie9877]

You're an awesome player

[@deadbeatstudios]

Thank you Ozzie!

[@MikeMV]

Thank you for posting this Jayme, very informative. What about the possibility of going direct without an amp? The church I play at has horrific acoustics and our worship director would like to remove amps altogether. We have a poor man's in ear system, the drummer and I share a single feed. She tasked me with researching the options and suggested the Line 6 Helix LT. I know most bass amp manufacturers produce some sort of direct box/effects unit. Do you have any opinion on this? Thanks in advace for your feedback.

[@deadbeatstudios]

Thanks Miguel! Ya I do that all the time. Removing the amps won't fix your horrible acoustics, however. It'll give you less problems to deal with but it'll hardly fix anything. I think that any DI box will work just fine, but some are more cleaner than others. I'm a fan of the Radial JDI myself. Thanks for reaching out Miguel!

[@slavesforging5361]

won't it be easier to put up acoustic panels in your church rather than invest in new gear? i mean, unless everyone in the audience is going to be wearing in-ear monitors the room acoustics are always going to be in effect. it sounds like maybe your music director just wants control of your eq and volume in their hands (or the sound-engineer/mixer) rather than the musicians. (which is probably a very good idea- they can hear the overall mix better than the stage musicians). a helix isn't cheap, and definitely doesn't solve your acoustic problem. All that aside, i've heard very, very good things about the motown di from Acme... yup like roadrunner cartoons. but bear in mind it's just a di, not a pre-amp or eq. The Avalon Di is nice for some tonal presets, but is expensive and geared more toward recording. but it doesn't sound like you want a di at all to me. for what you're talking about it sounds like almost any multi effects processor might work, even older ones like a boss gt-6 or a pod which would be way more affordable than a helix. that being said, one of my former band mates bought a helix and loves it. it's a very flexible piece of gear. but just one line 6 helix, for one instrument is 1,000 USD. i don't know how big your church is, but some corner sound traps would probably help a lot more than ditching your amp and buying a helix. you can build sound panels yourself from rockwool insulation bought from home depot or lowes pretty affordably. (that's actually the very best material to make them out of). As Jayme said, the Radial JDI is a really good di. i use a countryman type 10, a little labs IBP, and the di output on my Peterson strobo stomp pedal. all good very basic di's, but it doesn't sound like super-basic is what you're looking for?

[@underpressureman]

When your phase correcting your DI and Cab are you perfectly alligning the waveforms in your Daw or are you just flipping polarity on one of the tracks, or are you using a different phase editing technique? How do you like to do it?

[@deadbeatstudios]

I like to use a plugin by Waves called In Phase. It'll do everything you ever need it to when it comes to fixing phase issues :) Hope that helps James!

[@markbass354]

Jayme that was excellent , to be honest Ive never used DI , had no clue what it is because I'm old school 60 year old dude , Ive always mic'ed my amp. Bet you a lot of old dudes like me wont admit they dont know what DI is or are just poor dudes like me and cant afford any other way.

[@casebass2316]

I’m considering just bringing a DI to shows because I’m tired of lugging around my amp. I want something very simple so I’m not constantly tweaking it. I was leaning towards the Eden DI. What’s your recommendation for a simple DI with an EQ? Great video! Thanks

[@deadbeatstudios]

I'd say the Aguilar ToneHammer is my favorite. It's the same pre/eq section from the ToneHammer amp minus the amplifier itself. Easy to dial in and sounds great. Hope that helps!

[@martinheath5947]

Very good demonstration. You didn't explain how the phase correction actually operated to fix your blended sounds. Is it simply computer automated, are you using straightforward phase reversal, or did you delay (ie shift) the D.I. input by micro amounts by ear, to fix the audio discrepancy?

[@deadbeatstudios]

I use Waves In Phase plugin - it's the best phase tool I've ever encountered. Definitely worth checking out!

[@kangaroofoot]

Can I go from DI Out directly into a speaker or do I need to go into a mixer first?

[@abheekkumardas]

Great info! Please advise which is more punchier? DI or mic’d?The thump. I use a focusrite interface, no effects pedal for my bass guitar.

[@deadbeatstudios]

Sure thing! Swing by my Twitch stream any day this week and I'll let you know. I stream M-F at 5pm PSt www.twitch.tv/jaymelewisthebassist see ya there!

[@bruhdamartinasty3636]

How is possible to do both direct and micing at the same time? Guitars/basses don't have two outputs where you can plug one cable into an audio interface and a second cable that plugs into the amp. So is the solution to use an amp that has an output jack that can send a clean signal?

[@nelsoncamdyn2767]

Instablaster.

[@jacobfurman6500]

Is it me or you put the phaser on your voice at 9:25 while talking about phasers? Cheers mate!

[@deadbeatstudios]

;) yes indeed

[@ignacioxaviergallardo8425]

man! great explained! with all examples and carefull descripcion, i don't undertand why you've only 471 likes

[@spaceorbison]

what if you're going into an audio interface and using amp software vst's? Does a DI Box matter in that situation?

[@deadbeatstudios]

Not if the interface has a HiZ input - the DI box converts unbalanced low- to medium-level, high-impedance signal from a bass to a mic-level, balanced and low-impedance signal. If your interface has the HiZ input then that is being done for you, unless you have a DI with color to it (like the Noble Preamp or A-Designs REDDI or something). Hope that helps!

[@adamgoodell123]

I'm sorry to bother you again for your convenience and I have been the best. The first is a great

[@JosephSmith-lm4ri]

What about blending direct and doing the normal method?

[@dxzebeats]

Question: can I use a di box together with an amp head? I imagine the amp head would “beautify” the clean tone of the di box, before going into my MPC Live?

[@lonbluster]

If the sound comes from the amp where is the speaker of the mic? A separate di?

[@regularjoe2994]

It's good for clean sounds, but as soon as you put distortion or overdrive, the crossover in the speaker of the cabinet wants to send it to the horn.

[@Flux799]

Once I went SansAmp I never went back to a amp. I just run everything into a mixer and then monitors. Best sound I ever had.

[@runningwithdemons7361]

Where could I get that?? Please let me know...

[@Flux799]

The Big Blue !! If you have a local music shop I’d suggest going there or musiciansfriend.com sometimes amazon has them in stock. Just search for the Sansamp Bass Driver it’s made by the company Tech21

[@runningwithdemons7361]

@@Flux799 thank you.

[@popitn2nd]

Do you ever use the XLR out behind the amp? If not why

[@HelloKittyFanMan.]

To you, the mic. only is the one with the "rawness"? Interesting that you'd say that, because it's actually direct that would be the raw one, since you just said that the mic and cab color the sound, and coloring sound _removes_ rawness.

[@nathanrampersaud5383]

I have a question. So I want to use a line out on the back of my amp. However, what I am asking is when we plug the bass wire from the amp to the audio interface function, does the sound from the amp cut off because it is connected to the audio interface system or will you hear sound both in the Bass Amp and the audio interface system at the same time? Sorry if the question is a little confusing. Thank you in advance for your answer.

[@deadbeatstudios]

Hi Nathan - I'm actually not quite sure what you're asking, but if you'd like you can join me in a live stream today around 1pm PST at www.twitch.tv/jaymelewisthebassist and elaborate your question there - I'm sure I can help!

[@deadbeatstudios]

I actually go live for about 4 hours every Monday Wednesday and Friday from noon-4 PST, so swing by anytime and ask!

[@Drummerman02]

How did you correct the phase issue?

[@playerofgames8280]

can you so how get the audio from your pc to get in to game chat

[@SeanLaMontagne]

You mean like plugging a mic into your pc then wanting that audio into your game chat on your pc? Or literally send audio from something like youtube on your computer directly into game chat?

[@stefannoster6441]

Hi Jayme... when you put LPF on the DI-Track and HPF on the Mic-Track... at which frequency (round about) do you set this X-over? Thx

[@deadbeatstudios]

I think I try to find the sweetspot around 200-250.

[@stefannoster6441]

thx a lot

[@HumbertoSilvaPT]

But, wouldn't that colour of the mic be lost in the mix and simply not be noted by the audience? Or does that help cutting the mix? And cannot that be emulated by processing the signal, thus being easier than finding the mic sweet spot and then processing that with phase correcting?

[@cammarc]

Humberto Silva It really helps. A lot of people think highs are what's gonna get them to cut through the mix, but it's really the mids that do the job and mids are a lot of that colour from the amp. Technically it should be possible to emulate it without actually having the signal from the cab, but in reality it's not really gonna get quite there. I guess you just have to try out what you like best.

[@gauthierbrunelli]

Hi! I have a stupid question but I can't find the answer anywhere... I've been playing through my effects and amp for some years. But I am starting to use a DI to FOH and I am wondering how to carve my own sound... I mean, with the amp, I hear what my bass sounds like. Through the DI, only the sound engineer receives the signal and pushes it to FOH or my in-ear monitors. But how should I know how to set my preamp to get a killer sound???

[@Thisbaconisalive]

When you all DI, are ya'll running it through your amp balanced out?

[@robbievalentine8239]

Dang that phase is almost desirable lol.

[@Jugokazooie]

But are you using flatwounds for di? Any thoughts?

[@mcfek7575]

Direct out and Miking Cab is the way to go

[@Steevo-rj4hv]

Hi J. How did you correct that phase issue please?, what tweaks did you make to the DI signal, and your miked up amp?.

[@deadbeatstudios]

Check this out, it may help thebassist.net/blending-dis-with-miced-amps-the-bassists-guide-to-recording-12/

[@Steevo-rj4hv]

@@deadbeatstudios Spot on, thank you. Good sound on that bass man.

[@muchammadnurwibowo8255]

Is the cab aguilar SL112?

[@who_cares848]

I record direct but only because my amp has a built in cab simulator so it actually sounds good. Fender g-dec from the late 2000s.

[@vladimirlem1104]

I have a question If I am recording using this connection : Guitar --> Amp --> Amp Line Out --> Instrument Input of the audio interface --> computer (while recording) Can i hear the guitar sound from the amp while recording ?

[@deadbeatstudios]

Great question! Come by my Twitch stream and I'll answer for you there. I stream M-F at 5pm PST www.twitch.tv/jaymelewisthebassist

[@brnartg]

I see what you did there while explaining the weird effect 😏

[@davidlocke2664]

What kind of strings are you using? Rounds, flats? And what brand are they? Ghs boomers, Drs etc.. Are they steels, nickel or what?

[@deadbeatstudios]

I play D'Addario Nickelwounds, typically 45-105 gauges on my 4 strings :)

[@AndyBassist]

For me the problem with di's is when you are using a effected sound, so for me 90% of the time i have fuzz or distortion this into a di sounds harsh and abrasive, to then have to eq the di isnt something a lot of sound guys will do for you, they will think oh he wants to sound like that lets get levels.......this is why i have chose to go down the cab emulation route with my two notes stuff, i can emulate my 810 with a mic, and they have all the positives of a di, no bleed etc but you have a signal that works for me. i get you are dealling with clean bass here but just my two cents

[@elasticmusicofficial5445]

Di no processing sounds the best lol

[@brrosskiee]

yeah but then if you are playing live then the speakers where you are playing will add the speaker cabinet sound to your di input

[@tmbrwn]

ngl, the DI sound was the best sound. I see why people mostly go direct. :)

[@shiningcut7]

hey where do you get that shirt man?

[@deadbeatstudios]

shop.thebassist.net/collections/apparel/products/funk-wars-t-shirt

[@bochafish]

When playing live, the sound guy usually just plugs into my amp. Are they bypassing the eq, and then coloring it themselves, or is it an eq'd signal?

[@deadbeatstudios]

Depends on if your amp has a Pre/Post switch for the DI. I like to send it dry if the room is big enough.

[@bochafish]

@@deadbeatstudios Thanks for taking the time to reply, very cool. I didn't think about a lot of this stuff before, I love your channel. I just tell the sound guys "whatever you want," every time, haha.

[@deadbeatstudios]

@@bochafish You're very welcome!

[@kongandbasses8732]

Don't overcomplicate things, do it as simple as possible. I use to talk to the tech before soundcheck and ask if he is willing to try my post EQ DI - tone. All I have heard about this option is "OK, I'll get you out of FOH just as you go in". If there is enough time I ask for an additional miked up channel, and choose then, what to use in the mix.

[@wcvalentine5996]

Where can I get that shirt?

[@jonathandagcutan5700]

hello, i am currently having this dilemma, i was thinking of buying a higher watts bass amp, or should i get a powered speaker? i have an Aguilar Tone Hammer DI, and i was planning to bypass the amp head even if i buy one. please i need some input on this regard.

[@deadbeatstudios]

If its for smaller gigs you might be able to get away with a small powered wedge. I wouldn't try to carry the room with it though :)

[@jonathandagcutan5700]

but regarding the tone? do you think it would somehow be similar? coz logically, if i by-pass the preamp/eq of the amplifier, i was just using it as a power amp for the cab right? or will it produce a different tone coz the cab was using a more bass specific speakers?

[@jonathandagcutan5700]

another follow up question, if i go amp-less and go directly to powered speaker, should i use the line out or the XLR output?

[@deadbeatstudios]

Yes, line out. As far as tone - you'll just need to try it out to see if it makes that much of a difference for you. Who knows? Could sound awesome! Or terrible haha

[@schoolfield27]

seems i like the process CAB than process DI

[@jme92685]

Is there a way to record the organic/raw sound from the amp directly to the computer without a mic?

[@deadbeatstudios]

That's what going direct is.

[@jme92685]

@@deadbeatstudios But do I get the sound with all the in amp effects on it?

[@deadbeatstudios]

@@jme92685 If it's being sent POST then yes, if PRE then no. Of course, the effects of the speaker are completely bypassed because there's no microphone picking it up.

[@chrissnyder5818]

What is "later"

[@badfish41969]

Okay but is there any way to play slap bass through direct input? Because no matter how much compression I put on it it still sounds like crap

[@deadbeatstudios]

This is an old video that you might want to check out thebassist.net/game-of-tones-how-to-get-a-good-slap-tone-week-78/ otherwise come ask this question LIVE during my next live stream on twitch! www.twitch.tv/jaymelewisthebassist

[@badfish41969]

@@deadbeatstudios Duuuuuude this was actually very helpful thank you so much. Love the channel btw

[@RabbaDooDabba]

"[...] boost up the low-end [...]" How about this Meatbox then ?

[@sallopiccolo7336]

I ALWAYS MIC MY AMP. I WANT TO "COLOR" MY SOUND.THATS WHY I BOUGHT THE AMP I BOUGHT. I DON'T WANT A CLEAN SOUND. I WANT TO HEAR THE AMP 'STRESS OUT' A BIT.

[@hlokomani]

Some DI boxes BUZZ a lot. Keep that in mind.

[@Texturas75]

You can also use the Instrument input of an audio interface which does the same job of a DI.

[@ciel777_]

am i the only one that prefers the straight d.i. signal’s top end ? cz i always think mics and cabs roll off way too much highs

[@christopherliotta5008]

I'm a novice. But, still enjoyed your video. Well done.

[@Apprentice_of_the_Leonine]

I *only* mic my 8x10 with a huge tube head on it, even for recording. There's just no other way to perfectly capture THAT sound, which was in my head for over 10 years before I got the gear in question. A good D.I. rig with VST's comes *damn* close, but no cigar. There's just a certain warmth, feel, and liveliness to tube amp-powered passive basses that active ones into D.I. rigs simply don't have, and even in a full mix, yes, my ears can tell a difference, because I don't just mix in bottom end and low-mid frequencies from the bass. I also mix in some upper midrange and treble to give the bass a more expressive sound.

[@doolapew]

is any musician in your records that plays more than one instrument?

[@deadbeatstudios]

I'm sorry Aldo, are you asking if any of the players that I work with are also multi-instrumentalists?

[@doolapew]

Yes, you or any of the other players in the music you have published in spotify..

[@deadbeatstudios]

Yes, most of them are multi-instrumentalists. I'd highly recommend it!

[@kevinschindele4829]

For my home studio I'll do direct when I take scratch tracks to a real studio everything gets mic'd

[@jamesmolloy5350]

My reasoning for using DI is honestly just so I don't have to take an amp anywhere with me

[@ibrajimenez2098]

I'm interested in an ampless rig. I'm curious about your rig . What do you use?

[@Flux799]

Ibra Jimenez it’s simple. Just buy a SansAmp bass driver and your good lol. Run that into a mixer or interface and then speakers.

[@rafbass]

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