GAME SINS | Everything Wrong With Until Dawn In A Whole Bunch Of Minutes

[@sepiasmith5065]

this game is one of the few "your choices will matter" games that seem to do their best to make it happen. you can kill every main character, you can miss large portions of the map, etc. It's probably as good as you can do without rewriting an entire game fourty times.

[@FneXie]

I agree with the above, this game only makes your choices relevant in life/death situations and not too much more, while DBH has so many different dialogue lines, situations and endings

[@FneXie]

And don't get me wrong, I quite like this game as well

[@samr4831]

Bwa Bwa Yoshi yup and not only does Witcher 3 have just as much choices AND is a fully playable game with many mechanics and player engagements and not just some glorified cinematic

[@eitangrinboju5400]

@Shabre' both games are great, however Detroit is the best without a doubt

[@deathnote9957]

Shabre' i agree

[@TheMurrmursonbottle]

the one sin that makes the most sense - why the the hell did josh focus so much on torturing Sam and Chris soooo much, when they were the LEAST to blame? Chris was completely uninvolved and Sam LITERALLY TRIED TO STOP IT. Mike was the most at fault, followed by Jess since they both orchestrated it, and Josh literally sent them AWAY FROM ALL THE SHIT HE SET UP. The only things he did to Matt and Emily was lock a door and inadvertently send them up into a fire tower. It's so confusing

[@Charizarzar]

I agree. I guess you could say that Josh was planning to get to Mike/Jess and the others later on that night, but it still doesn't make sense that he'd go after Chris at all. The only explanation would be because Josh is mentally ill and wasn't thinking properly, or just because the writers were trying to throw people off.

[@FioraSlayer]

he made chris the person to decide the choices and Sam idk. but because of the Wendigos Jess suffered alot, Mike did, Emily did, Matt, and Ashley.

[@SHADOMEGA7569]

TheMurrmursonbottle because movie... i mean plot

[@profoundpro]

He had that line about needing a traumatic experience (Chris and Ashley) to bring them together. He wanted them to bond over it- but in the end, if Chris shoots Ash... her relationship meter plummets to zero and she gets him killed in the end lol. Good effort, Josh!

[@Kuwassu]

Chris and Sam are his closest friends, and Chris got effected the most because he wanted to see if he cared about him more than Ash. Also for the 2 to bond over, like Paul said

[@MiruJaca]

You should have sinned one of the most stupid moments in the game, which is when Sam and co. leave Ashley behind because they can't wait 5 seconds for her to close the sewer hole, leading to her potential death. Also, Matt leaving his axe at the bottom of the radio tower when they think they're being chased by a psycho killer.

[@idkkk8987]

@J. Lee ha. loll. Yeap.

[@saragood7943]

Or the fact that none of them get frostbite or hypothermia even though the are literally wading through water during a snowstorm

[@notaseat5934]

Yeah and the biggest sin in my opinion is the whole not moving thing because the wendigos can only see movement, the characters are moving *so* much in those don't move sequences

[@madison_isabella18]

THESE. TWO. Moments annoyed me so much ohmygoshhhhh

[@surreal5864]

I got an even more stupid one right... HOW ON EARTH DID JOSH TURN INTO A WENDIGO IF HES DEAD, WE LITERALLY SAW HIM GET KILLED IT MAKES NO SENSE

[@ChazMcGutter]

One major problem with this game is how Josh focuses his revenge prank on Chris, Ash, and Sam when the major factors in the prank were Mike, Matt(who was recording), Emily, and Jess. Not to mention Chris was PASSED OUT with Josh during the prank and Sam had nothing to do with the prank and actually disapproved of what they were doing.

[@profoundpro]

He had that line about needing a traumatic experience (Chris and Ashley) to bring them together. He wanted them to bond over it- but in the end, if Chris shoots Ash... her relationship meter plummets to zero and she gets him killed in the end lol. Good effort, Josh!

[@cat.1876]

Chaz Chris, Ash, and Sam were literally the only ones with almost no part of the prank lol, he's prank in the wrong people

[@joshuaseagondollar2495]

Even more fucked up in regards to Ashley is that she lets Chris die if he shoots at her, even when in the cutscene before that choice she BEGS him to shoot her instead! Not to mention her idiocy over the wendigo bite when the Flamethrower Guy specifically says about five minutes ago that the only way to become a wendigo is to eat human flesh! I get that she was scared and freaking out, but goddammit she needs some common sense and a lot less hypocrisy. Also, Ashley was in on the prank. She was the one hiding in the closet while giggling like a five-year-old.

[@MajkaSrajka]

Just for your information - blanks still have explosion and pressured gases, which means that if you put it next to your head and pull the trigger, you may die anyway.

[@FoxyChariot]

Sidedpower 09688 Nah Ashley was in on it heavily. She apologizes for it when one of the characters confronts her about it. I forget who.

[@NoTime2Explain676]

Jess telling Emily that she has all the natural advantages is actually proving Emily's point of Jess having to sleep her way into a job

[@NoTime2Explain676]

Also the fact that Jess thinks that they would WILLINGLY BREAK A WINDOW AND HER PHONE (which didn't break) AFTER BEING CHASED BE A BEAR (which probably wasn't a bear) for a prank

[@undeadhound3402]

(Ding)

[@blueandyyb]

Because the anti-intellectualistic kids nowadays are actually proud of utilizing these "natural advantages" than having good grades, so Jess did not bother denying it.

[@jd-hx2zx]

Andy Gong "nowadays" lmfao

[@MajkaSrajka]

Wow Andy! Thats a very... (Ding) of you.

[@BlissfulEDM]

"No guns in the Lodge" Yeah, no shit. Josh made sure there were none because that would get him killed. Wat.

[@darcyyxx]

very good point, didn’t actually think of that

[@AuTTiE_bEE]

Lmao, imagine "Oh, god! Shoot him!" .... "Oh, f*ck we just killed Josh!"

[@leonpaelinck]

Good point.

[@strelitziamystery21]

@@AuTTiE_bEE That would of been amazing!

[@notspigot]

i dont think you can call the cliches in this game "sins" since the game is literally based on horror movie cliches. thats the point of the game.

[@Daisy-ge1ig]

It makes Dartigans job easier.😊

[@JaysPlace20]

I kept saying that throughout this list. This game's whole story was built on horror cliches. That was the point. It's SATIRE!

[@codycantfocus]

@@JaysPlace20 There's a difference between satire and bad dialogue writing. You can see how in Man of Medan without the supervision of Sony.

[@muffylittlemoon]

I loved the cliches, made the game so much more entertaining given the great plot in my opinion. But it's not for everyone.

[@JaysPlace20]

@@codycantfocus Haven't played Man of Medan. Was considering it at one point, but haven't thought about it recently

[@eddthehead123]

I like how the Wendigo have really jerky, sudden movements. That kind of moving terrifies me, and is really good for making me hate the bloody things, in whatever form of media.

[@LLLadySSS]

Yuno Gasai I remembered being terrified after I watched the game lmao and went onto watch actual horror stories of wendigos and couldn't sleep

[@wd3185]

I thought the same thing, and then I realized why- their movement reminds me of spiders.

[@eddthehead123]

@@wd3185 I dunno. Spiders seem to have rather a fluid and precise movement from how I see them.

[@theemeraldepiphone644]

@@eddthehead123 I think he’s talking about when a spider is jumping all over the place. When it’s doing that, it’s a really sudden jerky movement.

[@okami9484]

Are we going to ignore how all the characters specifically Mike walk around like it's not cold at all

[@artisticfoxva]

Adrenaline. Makes you numb to the harsh weather. That’s why Mike was walking around no problem in a tank top😜

[@perfumeridentityv603]

@@artisticfoxva yeah but adrenaline does last for 7 hours

[@artisticfoxva]

@@perfumeridentityv603 Yeah, it lasts for 1 hour at the most, HOWEVER, when exposed to an unhealhty amount of stress, The adrenaline peaks and lowers until the stress is at a maintainable level. So he was most likely getting cold and numb over and over again.

[@perfumeridentityv603]

@@artisticfoxva oh lol I meant to say doesn't

[@artisticfoxva]

@@perfumeridentityv603 ik lol

[@Thezaza400]

Spoiler alert: The reason dropping the phone was so important is because Hannah survived the fall, it's just to make it more realistic why she couldn't call anyone for help. It doesn't seem important at the time but it's just to get rid of people saying "But she could've done this what an idiot"

[@hizzarke]

+Thezaza400 It was Beth's phone, not Hannah's

[@Thezaza400]

KittyMaster 78 I know that.

[@aaron75fy]

+Thezaza400 plus dropping the phone is another cliché that is done just to be a cliché and thus it's not important

[@Thezaza400]

Aaron Page It happens to fill plot holes not to be some random cliche.

[@aaron75fy]

Thezaza400 but it is a cliché "*insert teen name* runs from a possible killer and drops the only way to call for help" you find it used a lot

[@Lady_Ginnie]

"Your girlfriend is calling for help, saunter faster!" Hahaha! Love that.

[@Ch50304]

+MegaShinyObject me too. its funny.

[@MrDevil-pk9ur]

MegaShinyObject that player right after I saw this comment

[@DerNiko]

Also the "fourth phone this year" thing makes Jessica look even worse, when you consider the fact that it is only February... the year began two months ago... HOW!??

[@SilverBlO0d]

she probably means since school started, lmao

[@Starry800]

@@SilverBlO0d Nah, Jessica doesn't know how to probably take care of her phone. Her parents must be super-rich to get her four phones in just a short time frame.

[@kb-ey2vc]

ikr if i lose one phone I won't get another one till I'm like 19 or 20 (I'm 13)

[@jimthar17]

Or maybe she meant more like "in the last year". Not everyone refers to a year starting on exactly January 1st. June 6th to June 6th is still a year. Kinda like your birthday.

[@maxblack9419]

@@jimthar17 four phones within a year is still too much

[@ribby9069]

I think the fact that Ashley kills Chris if he chooses to save himself rather than her should've been a sin. Especially since she was begging him to shoot her.

[@theguyfromwalgreens]

Ribby Agreed.

[@mrsplays9817]

Except that she didn't think that he would actually do it. There's a difference to telling someone to kill you to keep themselves alive and actually seeing someone aim a gun at you and pull the trigger.

[@scm4942]

The developers said Ashley is traumatized and unstable later in the game. Go watch the Chris death scene when he shot her and died before he made it to the lodge. She still gets emotional and only snaps if he made it to the door. It is not something she would normally do. Chris would never shoot Ashley. He would be very hypocritical to do so. It's a way to punish players for making an out of character and immoral choice, and I guess it's also there for the sake of having another important butterfly effect. "Except that she didn't think that he would actually do it. There's a difference to telling someone to kill you to keep themselves alive and actually seeing someone aim a gun at you and pull the trigger." I am more confused as to why people think that makes it the right thing to do. You should never be willing to hurt or kill someone you really care about for selfish reasons in my opinion, and as I said I don't think Chris would consider shooting her no matter what she said. It makes him seem insincere to shoot her after everything he's said to her.

[@subistar05]

@@mrsplays9817 are you fucking nuts? if i say that "SHOOT ME!" i fucking mean it, it's not like you will say shoot me and then hope that they will shoot themselves.

[@scm4942]

@Guck Foogle When Chris tells her "I'll get you out of this! I won't let you die! he also means it. We could debate on the sincerity of Ashley's words (I think she was sincere in that moment. She was expecting to die, and Chris shooting her is her breaking point), but the simple solution here is to not play Chris out of character as a selfish hypocrite. The double standard over hypocrisy annoys me.

[@LiarraSniffles_X3]

"This isn't the internet Jess, this is real life". Mike 2015. My sides.

[@Mike-mt4ln]

I found his entire character funny. Not counting the fact that he's a much better looking version of me

[@Komodo97]

Jesus Hot Sauce Christmas Cake -Mike 2015

[@CraftBattleAxe]

27:02 “THEN WHY DID YOU COME TO THE SAME PLACE WHERE THEY DIED LAST YEAR?!” Thank God I wasn’t the only one who is pissed off at that

[@despop2342]

I don't think it was good either,but Josh says in the game he wants to do it to honor his dead sisters/closure

[@arachnesakura9375]

@@despop2342 what i love is when he says that he follows it up with "party like porn stars" ya know like the video they tried to make of Hannah as a prank. Like a small foreshadow that hes actually totally pissed at them all.

[@БорисДимов-р7п]

Probably cuz she thought Chris would be there too

[@EnvyMizuhashi]

There's enough starwipes to create a whole new constellation.

[@gnarkillguch]

+EnvyMizuhashi Orion, Big Dipper, Scorpio, and the Jumpscare Nebula. Seems legit.

[@Bllssxfull]

OMG when he said Hannah was a bitch I never really thought that until he explained it lol.

[@gullusgvhy5736]

Royal PBJ true.

[@gullusgvhy5736]

Royal PBJ As he said she did try to cheat with her friend's boyfriend.

[@i.oshunsar7930]

I did^^

[@victoriasharpe1661]

I feel a bit better about her death now. 😅

[@notaseat5934]

@@victoriasharpe1661 I was always fine with her death, she was the idiot that ran out into the freezing woods in the middle of the night. I don't care how embarrassed you are, no one does that *especially* with all the warning signs (jump scares) that should have warned her to go back

[@DarkGunn22]

33:46 This death actually makes complete sense, the guy may be an expert in dealing with these things but in this situation he was out of his element. Up until this point he dealt with the wendigos by himself, difference is this time around he had someone with him. Rewatch the scene, basically Chris inadvertently caused his death by being in the way of his flamethrower blast preventing what could've been an effective hit that routed the wendigo. The stranger had both himself and someone else to look out for which split his attention and focus, barking orders at Chris while simultaneously trying to contend with the wendigo. The stranger lasted as long as he did because he only had himself, and his survival/methods were solely catered to that. I guess you can consider it an uncontrollable butterfly effect the likes of which wrote the guy's death in stone by Chris making the choice to go look for Josh, had the stranger gone by himself he likely would've survived.

[@smaragdchaos]

What do you mean? Handigo literally killed him from an angle where Chris wasn't in the way. Also Jack Fiddler was raising wolves. For him to not be able to adapt his fighting style would be a pretty bad oversight. His death is forced by the fact that in the event that you save everyone and Josh doesn't get killed by Hannah, he needs a human sustenance that would transform him into a wendigo and sequel bait. In the beta version of the game, Jack Fiddler suffers a more pathetic death without Chris putting him in any jeopardy, so his death is pretty much a confirmed plot induced stupidity.

[@minersheep8285]

@@smaragdchaos Flamethrower Guy™️ wasn’t able to see the wendigo from the side because he was too busy barking orders at Chris to keep him safe 😩 The point still stands

[@smaragdchaos]

@@minersheep8285 That's still a sorry excuse for his death. Scripted death is a scripted death. Saying Chris was at fault because Wendigo assaulted Jack Fiddler from a blind angle doesn't change anything and is a poor attempt at damage control. If nothing else, it's sinful as hell the game gives you a don't move segment here when it makes no damn difference to begin with whether you fail it or succeed it

[@tmm4195]

@@smaragdchaos His death made plenty of sense. The guy was not used to working with other people and survived on his own for so long which works better for some people. This channel just sins dumb stuff to sin it most of the time lol

[@smaragdchaos]

@@tmm4195 Again, his death made no sense, the claim that he's not used to working with other people or that Chris caused his death is so overrated and stupid. It's pretty obvious from the death scene that Chris wasn't even remotely responsible for his death, the death was just stupid to begin with because it was scripted

[@Mruck_Trop]

*This isn't Internet Jess. This is Real life - Mike 2015* lmao

[@Mruck_Trop]

***** I guess normal quotes are written this way. Mike says this in 2015 - kinda thing. That's not the joke.

[@karabartley]

Hashtag there's a freaking ghost after us

[@Emisop]

Seems like they went for the "Everyone lives" ending. Unlike telltale, your choices really do matter.

[@adamgibson3011]

Yup. Everyone could die if your picked the wrong choices

[@kevinmalone27]

Except that's the only real game-changing choices you make. Who lives or dies. Literally everything else is the exact same.

[@az386]

Grammar Nazi no there were some changes

[@Vigilante8841]

The only decisions that have any consequences whatsoever are the life-and-death ones. Beyond that, other things are just tiny details that don't matter on the long run.

[@zayda.youngan5804]

Brianna Chiavetta I think Sam died I can tell because the ending

[@noodledogs]

ya know i never realized how weird it was that even though Jess was already part of the friend group from the opening, for some reason they switch to acting like she's a new addition.

[@karabartley]

Matt is the only new comer, it took me 4 times to realize this 😂😂😂 so yeah Jessica's entire demeanor is odd

[@abbyhens5374]

Kara Bartley Matt isn’t new, he’s the one recording the prank at the beginning

[@karabartley]

@@abbyhens5374 you're right I just noticed the last time I played that they are all there, I was in denial because of their weird interactions

[@daryljosephsajulga4912]

​@@karabartleythe new comer is actually Chris.

[@karabartley]

@@daryljosephsajulga4912 Chris was passed out with Josh when the prank happened, they'd been drinking. There's a brief scene that shows this

[@aaronkorthout]

21:31 Emily is LITERALLY saying what the player has to do. I love games that reference the player.

[@SplendidXShot]

Don't understand why people like Hannah so much. She didn't deserve to die, sure. But she wanted to get it on with a friend who was her other friend's boyfriend. If that isn't a breach of confidence that deserves total humilation, I don't know what is. I just can't bring myself to like her. Emily though at least is honest in her egotism and one hell of a tough woman. Ashley is the most human, tries to stay strong but succumbs to her weakness now and then. Sure, I also like Sam, but she's practically superhuman in terms of abilities and psyche. That's reassuring, but not very entertaining.

[@matiidesign]

SplendidXShot wish Chris would also show humanity, he isn’t really human either, while running / fighting the wendigo he seemed like a soldier, he isn’t scared until it grabs him, although this could be explained by adrenaline, afterwards he should be heavily panting, or severely scared.

[@24medine]

Why do you say hannah the one who's bitching? What about mike manipulating her to have a crush on him? So you know it's not our fault to have a crush on someone

[@allenkozlowski]

sam is a superhuman?? the 17 year old mike cutted his own fingers and then he went wolf hunting with a gun and a machete in a bloody wife-beater shirt, and he stays calm even when he finds a dead body in the sanatorium's morgue... sam is the only girl in this game who actually tries to do something, all the other girls are super annoying. they doing nothing but crying and yelling, wich woluld be the most realistic thing to do in this situation in real life both for tenaage girls and teenage boys, but then again: only the girls are like that in this game, this is the big problem.

[@vamp_bat_chomp]

@@24medine there is a difference between having an inclination and acting on it, Hannah decided to act on her crush, yeah Mike was definitely doing a bad thing, but that doesn't make Hannah innocent either.

[@smaragdchaos]

@@24medine How did Mike manipulate her? Elaborate pls

[@shorpilakarshimanto224]

Characters don't see anything in the totem. Only players do.

[@avery5769]

Which is why they never seem to question what’s going on in the totem.

[@jessicalorc9028]

well, i mean, i get that the main point about totem’s is to help the player out, but it just doesn’t add up when the characters are the ones supposed to see trough the totem, it just makes it super unrealistic. why would they mind grabbing a totem just to contemplate it when they’re not even seeing anything of what we as players do see?

[@Chaos0310]

@@jessicalorc9028 two things 1. It’s a video game. And 2. These are very stupid cliche horror movie kids. Of course they’re going to pick up some dope looking totem and wonder why it’s there in the first place.

[@Halucygeno]

You missed "Clearly experienced survivor with years of history fighting the Wendigo dies five minutes after hes introduced." Great vid dude, better than the competing gaming sins channels.

[@TemptativeTaqo]

33:37 it's not directly said. He does however conveyed the message.

[@xwoods16x27]

If im not mistaken he dies because Mike tries to run and then he notices them both standing there. if it was just him he would have survived.

[@johnsonl82]

Halucygeno he had Chris to protect and when Chris ran the stranger had one choice sacrifice yourself so Chris can (potentially) survive.

[@strangedude9077]

@@johnsonl82 He didn't exactly sacrifice himself, he just died because of Chris, that's all.

[@SkyeStormChamp]

Honestly, I think that was a really good twist. The wendigo are ruthless and even having decades of experience, one small opening can lead to death. Goes to show how powerful and scary they are. It also makes the situation even scarier, even flamethrower guy couldn't win in the end, what chances do a bunch of teens have?

[@HonorWillow]

I lose all respect for Until Dawn videos when they say your choices don't matter. I've seen a lot of different outcomes. They matter. Also the fact that they die whether or not you drop Hannah or let go is important. That's the past. You can't change the past.

[@skaetor6654]

256 different outcomes btw

[@johnheneghan5743]

HonBon96 at least this ones better cough CGN

[@nolanc9432]

John Heneghan CGN literally just copies the sins from Dartigan

[@JazzyUnderscoreTrumpeter]

I think it's the illusion of choice despite it being a fixed event that is annoying

[@mainavenger1765]

ya what u said is true. but when the game is like 'ur choices affect the ending', people expect something more than this. as @elias lowe said, its just an illusion of choice. At the start of the game itself, no matter which choice u make, both hannah and beth will fall and beth will die... which contradicts the whole point of the game.

[@Freelancer837]

If you choose for Matt to try to save Emily, Matt will die, and in the ending police interrogation, Emily says she doesn't care about Matt because he left her there to die. But, if you choose to leave Emily to fall, resulting in Matt gets to live (depending on if you don't die later while playing as Matt), and then Emily is all concerned about if Matt is alright or not. Did they accidentally switch those to scenes in the credits for Emily? Either way, what a bitch. *Sin*

[@MTay02]

Or, Matt can survive if he has the flare gun and depending on which choice you make in the lodge when she’s arguing with Jess, then you control him again in chapter 9 or 10 and he’s with Jess

[@Soveny1HaHaHammyx]

He only dies if you try to save Em twice, you don’t have the flare gun, or you have it but agreed to to go with Em thus Matt fires the flare gun rendering it useless. Em will always be concerned for Matt as long as you sided with her during the argument with Jess and maintained their (Matt and Em’s) relationship high.

[@0subsWith0vidsChallenge]

@@Soveny1HaHaHammyx bruh I tried to help her in every single prompt and both of them still lived. But yeah emily was a bitch just like jessica and ashley.

[@Soveny1HaHaHammyx]

@@0subsWith0vidsChallenge That means you had the flare gun and had disagreeed with her. She may have been a bitch but she wasn't a whiny little shit like Ashley and didn't get traumatized thus had to be saved like Jessica. She knew where she was standing and had to undergone just as much as everybody else. Ashley was a hypocrite and Jessica was a sex maniac until this happened to her whereas Emily had always been smart and she was the only one who suggested going to check if Josh WAS actually dead. Had the player the option to do that with her, there would have been no Until Dawn.

[@0subsWith0vidsChallenge]

@@Soveny1HaHaHammyx wtf did you even say. Emily was a bitch. She complained about every single thing. I tried saving her every single time and at the end she hated matt for leaving her to die when it was all bs.

[@Fanimati0n]

I feel so sorry for Josh :'( He was obviously sick and needed help beyond that asshole doctor. Not to mention that even his "friends" are completely apathetic to his obvious Paranoid Schizophrenia. The meds he was on were for depression, not PS. There is no happy ending for him. He doesn't get to go home. He doesn't get to get any help. Just death from a harsh, uncaring world.

[@rovidecena5351]

Some of that information is from theories. Theories aren't true. They're POSSIBLE, but not true.

[@galaxygamerbroficial]

+Vince Shadell so you like matpat huh

[@strahinjagov]

Dr hill was actually very kind, if you find Josh's phone you can see that they were on a first name basis with each other. He only appeared crazy through Josh's hallucinations.

[@Fanimati0n]

strahinjagov He wasn't even given the right meds. He was given meds for depression, not Paranoid Schizophrenia, which is what he should have been treated for. And the "good" doctor seemed more interested in staring out windows spouting cryptic bullshit than actually helping Josh.

[@strahinjagov]

+Vince Shadell like I said, he wasn't really like that, that was just josh's hallucination. if you read the texts on josh's phone (if you find it) you'll know that. it also says it on the wiki.

[@genniedillen]

There's a "gaming sins" on another channel that's very clearly sponsored and scripted with very unfunny jokes and sins that aren't really sins, just stupid nitpicks. I've seen a couple of them, and I have to say, You actually put a ton of love and effort into it that surpasses what people paid to do it do with a writing staff and sponsorship could ever do. You have more than earned a subscriber, a view on every video from me, and a couple handful of thumbs ups. Very well done.

[@Dartigan]

+hrrassed usr Thanks for your support hrrassed usr. I put a lot of time and work into each episode so I'm happy that people really appreciate that aspect of my vids.

[@pemmicanboy9225]

+MichaelKlump GCN are awful, all of their sins are just bullshit and unfunny.

[@moc10100]

+hrrassed usr I saw that channel after seeing this one. I checked out their Last of Us video and never went back. There wasn't anything clever and the guy was just nitpicking.

[@rohanlp6403]

just subscribe you don't need to brag about it

[@pemmicanboy9225]

+MichaelKlump Yeah, I understand what you mean, I just feel Dartigan actually comes up with reasonable sins whereas GCN don't even know the true facts about games and have been incorrect on numerous occasions.

[@helpfulhandgrenade1472]

*chooses to shoot the squirrel* “Chris is a bad person to squirrels”

[@alex-rs6ts]

Fails at quick time event "Quick time events are too hard"

[@nolanc9432]

red when did he say that?

[@karabartley]

Jessica is mean to birds

[@pleasewakeupkyodai869]

Duh. He just doesn't like animal cruelty.

[@rebecca537]

@@pleasewakeupkyodai869 who, op? This is a choice game, and theres options through out it to kill/hurt animals. Which usually results in the characters being worse off. When chris has the option to kill the bird, the game says 'sometimes its better to do nothing'. And to go back to op not liking animal cruelty, hes the one that shot the bird /nm

[@EmmieHunny]

Actually at 16:40, in the basement scene while Sam and Josh are talking, there’s a few seconds where you can see Chris sneaking around behind the shelves to get past them. It’s very subtle, but that’s how he gets down into the basement past them.

[@EmmieHunny]

Also Emily got the guy’s bag in the mines. He threw it to her because it had the road flares in it, and the journal was in there as well.

[@pbllomas]

How did josh know where everyone was in the prank if he was passed out at the time?

[@icalarmati]

marshma llowsxoxo He got the video that they were recording.

[@djrocksgaming6255]

I Calarmati That still doesn't explain him getting it EXACTLY correct.

[@gullusgvhy5736]

Djrocks Gaming It does the video showed where everyone was

[@FoxyChariot]

So wouldn't he conclude that Sam wasn't involved and not jam a needle into her neck?

[@raiiishaaa]

maybe there were cameras? they are rich and letting their high school kids stay at a snow lodge by themselves, its realistic

[@jack.m017]

This game was great but I just never got over the fact that sam and mike never froze to death. They were terribly underclothed and they even waded in water, which would surely result in hypothermia. Also Sam packed rock climbing clothes as if she knew she was going to climb

[@noraenora6735]

"this game is already too much like supernatural" OOHHH SHIIIITTT

[@ophelia8019]

So you're not gonna point out that Jessica was standing still when the Wendigo grabbed her? Sure, she was moving and shouting outside before But the moment the Wendigo actually attacked her she was leaning against the door

[@USMCSniperWolf]

"Dawn, at the earliest. Not until dawn, over." "Role credits." This bothers me so much but holy shit it is such great wordplay.

[@codo820]

The Starwipe shall be the response for all future lame jumpscares. So say we all.

[@AmrothEldarion]

+Codo So say we all

[@gnarkillguch]

+Mort Onmaz (Mortlestiltskin) Such a shame that show got royally fucked by the writers strike. The first couple seasons were really good.

[@AmrothEldarion]

gnarkillguch I think it was absolutely perfect to the very end ;-; Shame it ended.

[@gnarkillguch]

Mort Onmaz I'm glad you enjoyed it. The last season completely lost me.

[@VisualGourmet]

+Codo Are there any _other_ types of jumpscares?

[@DANISEVIL]

Even with the flaws I liked untill dawn it could have been better and for sure could have been worse

[@danielm.595]

This is the only game where the sins don't matter, because it was made to be a "bad" game, based on the cheesy horror comedies, like Friday the 13, Nightmare On Elm Street and others.

[@Mannibal_Lector]

@@danielm.595 Is Nightmare Street anything like Nightmare On Elm Street?

[@danielm.595]

@@Mannibal_Lector Oof, sorry 'bout that, I'm not from US, my mind fecked it a little, gonna change it now.

[@trinitikorneli2750]

"Even with the flaws i like Until Down..." lol.

[@leonpaelinck]

Same, I would have forgiven this game's lie that every choice will completely change the plot if there was an option to save Josh.

[@Chocobobob]

Can’t believe this game has been out for 5 years already

[@eliasvilla5879]

"Mike should have shot him, he's heavily armed" Said the guy who just sinned someone for thinking the gun would actually shoot.

[@emaadee]

Only chris and Ashley knew that the gun had fake bullets yet they didn't bother warning mike about it. Strange that he was able to threaten josh since he knew too. The writers missed an opportunity not letting mike shoot the flamethrower guy.

[@Matt_0716]

He wasn't holding the same gun.

[@strahinjagov]

Elias Villa Different guns

[@macho10101]

That was obviously a another gun... The gun Chris had was some regular pistol And Mike had a Revolver or Pyton in his hand.. (Dunno what the guns names are not a expert of guns..) Gun looked way more bigger and looked like it would blow your head off

[@MrBean8100]

Different guns. Can't you tell the difference between a revolver and a pistol?

[@aerithroses2683]

Pause at 17:43 and look at the background

[@migueloliveira2130]

Who is that, is that the hologram?

[@CataciousAmogusevic]

Damn son you got sharp eyes

[@blueblueberry9842]

@@migueloliveira2130 My guess would be whoever's spirit their talking to, Hannah or Beth, even later when Ash sees a spirit of one of the 2.

[@Illum.Unathi]

Oh shit

[@Vigilante8841]

Why is this not counted as a sin?

[@tavyboo8763]

I love how ALLL the girls have perfectly manicured nails that stay perfect until the end of the game. Check it if you don't believe me.That's almost impossible.

[@leonpaelinck]

Just as unrealistic as that super-glued towel

[@BrokenSet]

This game is very creepy. Not because it's trying to be, but because the faces give me the uncanny valley effect.

[@JohnSmith32643]

Lol ikr

[@gesshokux3317]

That and it leaves a few unanswered questions. Like is the guy with the machete supposed to be flamethrower dude? Or Josh? Or your everyday resident serial killer?

[@howiesmovingcastle]

+Gesshoku X not if you play the whole game. The machete guy is the flamethrower guy.

[@aaron75fy]

the machete guy is Josh, there is no killer. everything was made up by Josh +Sadorian Robertson no it's Josh do you EVER see flamethrower guy with a dumb mask with a long hair back to it? no, the answer is no

[@AppleOfThineEye]

Aaron Page Actually yeah, we do see Flamethrower Guy with a mask and long hair. We also grab his machete when we're playing as Mike.

[@agirlwholovestooeasily7400]

well, Hannah and Beth both HAD to fall of the cliff, otherwise the story wouldn't have worked... who played through the whole game, knows what I mean Oh and the other choices effect your story and the end for real.

[@blacknoodles1103]

they will always both fall

[@leonpaelinck]

Okay but why give us that choice then? Why not just have them die in a cinematic like the flamethrower guy?

[@smaragdchaos]

@@leonpaelinck The Flamethrower guy also had a pointless don't move segment. Why give that option if succeeding or failing doesn't matter and he dies to Handigo anyways?

[@leonpaelinck]

@@smaragdchaos my bad. Then it's even worse than I remember.

[@yigitdemir6361]

5th time watching this and I still don't get why they didn't bring any snacks and drinks with them...

[@nolanc9432]

Or any meals, for that matter

[@PassTheMarmalade1957]

Emily also claimed that that shirt she ripped to light her torch cost $600. It was a grey turtle neck. Where the hell do you find a grey turtle neck worth $600?!

[@bigmaster493]

+PassTheMarmalade1957 Probably one from Kanye West's band.

[@Beery1962]

+PassTheMarmalade1957 It wasn't her turtleneck - she used the belt from her jacket.

[@pizzawashere8940]

+Ian Cooper Soooooo her belt was $600???

[@ZaLewdWarudo]

+PassTheMarmalade1957 Go to Rodeo Drive in LA and see some of the ridiculous prices. You'll see this was actually quite believable.

[@yunglimby]

+Ian Cooper "I looked really good in that *top*"

[@mediocredew]

How did they lie about Emily's character bio? It's completely accurate lol. Intelligent - yes. Resourceful - yes Persuasive - yes + the fact that Matt is a total pushover which makes it easier too.

[@cat.1876]

Savoni Yes, some of this guy's points are bullshit

[@djrocksgaming6255]

Savoni She's not at all intelligent, exceptionally resourceful, or persuasive.

[@ihcv7vw]

Djrocks Gaming How? Where’s the proof/examples? That’s what this comment is saying

[@microwars1670]

Savoni Intelligence... She makes a stupid decision to head BACK into the forest, to call for help, and also thinks the Black Guy can jump to the Cart.

[@microwars1670]

Why rely to a comment that's a year old, I do not know!

[@andresfgp13]

until dawn is a game about how a prank goes wrong and freddy mercury wants revenge.

[@christophergraham6571]

the reason it took sam “so long” to draw the bath was because all most the events are all happening at the same time. as mike and jess go up to the cabin is right when sam goes to start her bath so the scene where she says “hardy-hard” is happening as jess and mike are going to the cabin. its all happening at the same time

[@thwomp1542]

I want to see a playthrough of this game where everyone makes the choices that the characters would genuinely make, given their personalities

[@gabbynique]

that was how i played cause i thought it would give me the good ending if i kept their personality traits at their original level, it did not go well LMAO

[@paigestubbs9718]

@@gabbyniquehow many characters did you manage to save, out of curiosity?

[@jamescarr1265]

That was how I played LOL but for some it was challenging - for example Matt barely has a personality so making his choices was difficult

[@jamescarr1265]

@@paigestubbs9718for me I saved Sam Matt and Emily

[@MartaTarasiuk]

Actually, sanatoriums build on mountains were a real thing. People used to believe that mountain air was good for tuberculosis. Their logic was: "Well, the air on this mountain seems to be pretty dry... It totally will dry the moisture from my patient's lungs"!

[@esppupsnkits4560]

Marta Tarasiuk well, it DID help tuberculosis a little bit

[@MartaTarasiuk]

@@esppupsnkits4560 I would say that it depends on each eventual case. Some tuberculosis patients can even get worse when overexposed to dry air.

[@toasega]

How does the ENN stay on the air when their only listeners are protagonists, you ask? Because EVERYONE is a protagonist. In that world, every individual is the star of his or her own specific storyline, and the ENN takes care of the exposition for ALL OF IT. They are an extremely powerful and thorough network.

[@AnonYMooseBoG]

Hey! Protagonist's syndrome! That's an actual psychological condition!

[@AnonYMooseBoG]

***** Not quite. protagonist's syndrome is just thinking in terms of: "I'm the most important person/thing in the universe! Everything is centered around me!"

[@AnonYMooseBoG]

***** It's less severe than narcissism.

[@Ch50304]

+AnonYMoose I have that..

[@joaquinsandoval5370]

I loved this game when I bought it. I still think it's great. But the story sure relies on a lot of stupid events to work. The biggest one being the twins never being found. They were literally down in the most likely place, very close to the house, easily accessible by anyone, specially a rescue team...

[@vandecasa3795]

Yes, probably a plothole, however there is a sinister explanation for this. Look up "Until Dawn Totem Movie Flashback". Flamethrower dude was hunting the Makkapitew, basically the main wendigo, which can't be killed for good because by killing its body, the spirit is released. So his goal was to trap the Makkapitew, but he had to abandon his plan when he tried to help the girls. In doing so the Makkapitew had him backed into a corner, where the girls fell, so he was forced to kill it to survive. Which means the spirit was freed and his life goal of trapping it was shattered. But there was an unexpected opportunity: Hannah had survived and would soon be starving near her dead sister ... The Flamethrower dude barricaded the entrances to the mines, so that Hannah could not escape and he misled the search and rescue parties. Then ... all he had to do, was to wait ... until his hunt could continue ...

[@stars4809]

@@vandecasa3795 I think up to the main wendigo possessing Hannah is right, but I figure the burial prevented them from finding Beth and Hannah wasn't caught because she was moving about.

[@Ксюша-ь5ш4ш]

@@vandecasa3795 the thing is, it’s not very common for humans to eat other humans so makkapitew could have easily never come back 🤷‍♀️ but that still is the only somewhat reasonable theory i’ve seen on why the stranger didn’t check on the twins.

[@JaysPlace20]

I have a sin: How did Josh know the exact position to set up those dolls in when he was passed out during that entire incident? I suppose he might have been able to guess based on the video Matt took, but that's a stretch.

[@fallenwarlock2418]

Maybe he knew because of the investigation? Like, Beth and Hannah “disappeared” on that night. There was police involved to look for them. So it’s not impossible they tried to reconstruct the moments before Hannah and Beth run out of the house

[@JaysPlace20]

@@fallenwarlock2418 I suppose that's somewhat plausible. Still kind of a stretch, but hey, it's a video game. Sometimes suspension of disbelief is needed.

[@shaungarrett5291]

Josh, video taped everything. Remember?

[@JaysPlace20]

@@shaungarrett5291 How would Josh know to do that? He was passed out downstairs with Chris when that whole initial incident went down

[@shaungarrett5291]

@@JaysPlace20 yes, but through the whole game, hidden cameras were everywhere, so why wouldn't he have them there in the beginning?

[@dimibrije7302]

Chris is a dick to squirrels. Crows are dicks to Sam I died laughing XD

[@thehackette7590]

haha yes You don't have to kill the squirrel. I chose not to when I played through the game.

[@cat.1876]

Michelle T. Same. Alot of his points are bullshit

[@christopherhartley1186]

haha yes I'm going to kill all the squirels in the world 😈

[@102-d2c]

He forgot to mention that the wolf made no sound as the Wendigo approached it. Mike is calling for the wolf to jump down with him and as the Wendigo came up on the wolf Not Once did the wolf growl nor did it at least whimper out of fear. It didn't even yelp before it died. The fuuuck.

[@ET-xv5sn]

18:51 "they were all iPhones, meaning nothing of real value was lost." hahahhahahahahhahah, couldn't agree more!

[@kyleecopter1160]

" take off your shirttt " " it offends the spiritsss " " I'm defiantly not Hannah/Bethhhh "

[@_spt-warwolf_4575]

18:50, the game takes place on February 2nd-3rd, what the hell has she been doing to break three other phones

[@Canadian_Zac]

Her dropping the phone in the beginning is shown to you, because, otherwise, why wouldn't she call someone after she fell, that dropping the phone is their 'Look, she dropped the phone, she can't call for help now'.

[@DecoyBlackMage]

I loved this game, it should be noted that I am a pretty big fan of B-horror movies though, but they did a great job with using the cliches in this game, and if you want to have every character live you actually should know how horror movie tropes go.

[@theunexplainablecrumbs4387]

Why is it that in anything horror, everyone loses the ability to flick a goddamn light switch?

[@blacknoodles1103]

probably cuz the killer might know where they are if the lights are on thats how burglars know if someones home too most of the time

[@tigertempertantrum6573]

Dartigan is amazing, but he DID have *one* error. At 26:46, he said that it was a dollhouse diorama of the prank they pulled on Beth, but HANNAH was the one being pranked, not Beth. She just chased after her when Hannah stupidly ran outside without any warm clothes or jacket.

[@blacknoodles1103]

also when he told about the blanks it wasnt chris's gun but the one mike found in the sanatorium and also chris prank if u look very good you can see him walk behind the shelves from sam and josh but its only a couple of seconds so he didnt set up there but walked there before he pranked them

[@smaragdchaos]

@@blacknoodles1103 You've got it wrong. What Mike had found in the sanatorium was a revolver, whereas Josh's handgun was a semi-automatic pistol. Mike was carrying Josh's handgun when he took Josh to the shed, not the revolver that he had found in the sanatorium. They're both fundamentally different.

[@sawaxv7136]

Add ANOTHER sin because in that Saferoom sin, if Emily is left alive and Ashley reads that book, Ash says "Oh no, no,no,no" It's a sin because she reacts so fucking inappropriate for the scene at hand!

[@Kuwassu]

The tone doesn't tho

[@Shmlalex]

I know this comment is old but Ashley’s response makes sense because Emily sucks

[@ashtonrogers750]

Your actions actually do effect the outcome in this game

[@lolschrauber]

But in a lazy way. He clearly showed some decisions that did not change what the characters would Do next. All they did was alter a "relationship-score" that may or may not affect something in the future.

[@Hazehyuga88]

@@lolschraubernot really is also effects how the characters view each other

[@kristal1154]

The "Mike - 2015" quotes were cracking me up. I actually laughed out loud instead of breathing heavily through my nose with humor!

[@ScorpioTheScorpion1503]

17:04 Ashley broke the #1 rule when it comes to ouija boards: NEVER ask if there's anyone there. You risk summoning demons and allowing them to hijack your body. Damn Ashley, do you not watch cliché horror movies?!

[@theguyfromwalgreens]

Scorpio The Scorpion Learn something new everyday. I’ve never heard of that rule.

[@nola1439]

You forgot that they all had the most boring cliche names that make it difficult to remember who they are: Ashley Samantha Jessica Emily Chris Michael Matt Josh Literally the most boring names ever. And almost everyone who played through it struggled to remember whos who bc their names are so not unique or can be even possibly tied in w their personality or appearance to help memory

[@freezerounds]

That's because they're in the top 10 most popular names of 1980, I believe.

[@craftymasterproductions4218]

Aunt Jemima The game doesn’t even take place in the 1980s, nor does it ever even mention the 1980s though.

[@Arri__]

@@craftymasterproductions4218 syrup lady never said the game takes place in 1980 she only said that those were popular names in 1980

[@craftymasterproductions4218]

Arrio Abundez Oh, okay

[@TakeTheLanternWR]

Instead, let’s call them: Chadwick Richie Jr. KuKlus The Fighter Portable Charger The One That Is A Woman IV Pertaining Geography of Vulvas Ophelia

[@orishar9598]

THEN WHY DID YOU COME TO THE SAME PLACE WHERE THEY DIED LAST YEAR... This, this alone made me finish this video, sub and watch 8 others at 6 am.

[@travisharris4351]

27:02, LMAO, One of my favorite sin line.

[@NXTHNU.]

Same

[@dandeleon2764]

Very true, but it's only been 1 year, and I think what Ashely means is that she wants to feel forgiven for her part in Beth and Hannah's deaths. And it probably feels like doing Josh a favor is the only way to make amends, since he's their brother.

[@marvelsomething1952]

Orisha R closure???

[@KayosKing]

That line had me creasing!😂

[@infernoreviews2529]

these actors are in their mid twentys and they are supposed to be playing teens ? no dude, the actors are in their mid twentys and they are playing characters that are in their twentys

[@Dark_Voice]

They are all teens apart from Josh :)

[@yoshifan33]

@@Dark_Voice They're all in college/out of highschool.

[@Dark_Voice]

@@yoshifan33 What I said is true though. Ashley, Jess, Matt are 18; Chris, Sam, Emily and Mike are 19; Josh is 20

[@yoshifan33]

@@Dark_Voice Oh - my bad.

[@jedininja3016]

@@yoshifan33 Brett Dalton who played Mike was in his 30s when he did this game thats way too old Also Jordan Fisher who plays Matt was actually the right age he was only 20 roughly when he did this game

[@erichleverance1643]

This was a new gaming experience I enjoyed immensely, cliche on purpose had it's faults but overall pretty awesome

[@pjshaw4797]

no subtitles on the game? literally unwatchable edit: lmao i've never seen people so outraged over such a minor complaint. i'm sorry for my crimes, i've been tried and i'm currently doing time in the youtube prison for disliking the lack of subtitles

[@pjshaw4797]

Neon Murray no, I'm not deaf, but it's harder to hear the game when he's talking over it. every other let's player I've ever seen uses subtitles. It's so that if people can't hear what the characters are saying (for example if the player is talking over it), everyone still knows exactly what they're saying..

[@Djcue98]

Its not a "let's play" dumb ass.

[@Zalwalloo]

@@pjshaw4797 if you want to hear it then watch a let's play or play the game 😂😂

[@Vigilante8841]

When the narrator is talking, the game subtitles are going to clash with the sin subtitles. My only complaint regarding the in-game dialogue is I wish it were louder when Dartigan isn't talking, so that when he isn't speaking over them, they can be heard more clearly.

[@xxjadynx]

You can put subtitles on in the settings idiot

[@romc7754]

See, when I say "I'm just getting into the bath!" I mean that the water has filled the tub, I'm probably half way naked at least, and I've already got one foot in the tub. When Sam says she can't help Josh set up the fire because she's "just about to get into the bath", she's fully clothed and hasn't drawn any water at all. This was honestly something that ticked me off so damn much

[@JohnPerry27]

Out of all the sins, that's the one that got you upset? What if some people do that in real life?

[@lonewolf3138]

@@JohnPerry27 why you taking it seriously tho

[@n1sugarbaby69]

or or she said that cuz she didn't want to do it and didn't want to go and help him

[@leonpaelinck]

"See, when I say "I'm just getting into the bath!" I mean that the water has filled the tub, I'm probably half way naked at least, and I've already got one foot in the tub." she filled the bath without checking and then realized there was no hot water. so she got dressed again. still stupid

[@tylersprouse6861]

@@lonewolf3138 Ironic comment considering the original comment was about taking something dumb seriously

[@dirtyfighters7751]

Until Dawn is one of the best games I have ever played!

[@nolanc9432]

My parents walked in when Jess yelled “Mike and I are going to f***! That’s right! We are going to have s**, and it’s going to be hot!” And it was really awkward

[@dirtyfighters7751]

nolanc94 LOL.

[@AppleOfThineEye]

@@nolanc9432 You don't need to censor sex. You don't need to censor f*ck either, but KZbin may very well shadow-delete a comment with that.

[@whenthe4402]

@@AppleOfThineEye “you don’t need to censor f*ck” you say while censoring fuck

[@lazoali9555]

@@whenthe4402 +1 *ding*

[@cyberayne]

I loved this game when I first played it..so scary and a good story..and the fact that ur actions can save or kill somebody makes it replayable..now I wanna play it again after see this

[@karawithgun8148]

Am I the only one who thought Matt was way hotter than Mike? Matt is probably the only likable character (in my opinion anyway) in the whole game besides Sam. Mike just reminds me of Nathan Drake who's kind of a douche. He also looks like the kind of guy who'd enjoy a Jersey Shore episode. Again just my opinion.

[@CreditR01]

+Isabella Regaldo Poor Matt. Dragged all over a cursed mountain by his bitch girlfriend and then nearly eaten alive by Wendigos, only for his motion capture actor to never be listed in the credits. Talk about screwing over the black guy.

[@karawithgun8148]

CreditR01 Lmao that sucks. I wonder if the motion capture actor is aware of this.

[@devonmunn5728]

+CreditR01 um that was an accident

[@Neuviletteiudexofmemes]

+Isabella Regaldo Who is this "Mike" you're talking about? That's clearly Agent Grant Ward deep under cover. How else would explain a supposed douchey highschool jock performing all those bad ass stunts.,...? He was probably sent there after the Wendigo so they can make an army of super human cannibals. P.S. Hail Hydra.

[@devonmunn5728]

Sarcasm

[@thepersonwhohasnovideos6052]

8:42 okay but i personally disagree with that, emily was able to survive wendigos by herself, and escaped so many times while being a badass. shes at the very very least resourceful.

[@MegaMrbeta]

U probably know this but I still want to say it, you do know that the game is based on horror cliches right?

[@alexo.6557]

MegaMrbeta not really they wanted to do the opposite of clichés. they want to give players control. that's how they marketed this

[@anneyoder1157]

thunder al no they made it cliche on purpose

[@acerbicgeoff7821]

Jeremy Yoder no, they tried really hard not to do cliche as fuck, fucked up, and really nervously laughed and went "no no no, it's not cliche! Okay, it's cliche, we did that on purpose, right guys?! *nervous confused nodding from entire development staff*

[@anneyoder1157]

Acerbic Geoff bullshit

[@isaac-kq4eh]

Its obviously cliches. The funny guy, the shy girl, the normal one, the hot girl, the hot guy, the athletic guy, the bitch, and ofc the phsyco. All cliches on purpose. Then the twists, the cheesy jokes (that I actually enjoyed tbh) and the cheap jumpscares. All on purpose. If anyone even thinks this was a serious game they arent the brightest.

[@rhettgedies7467]

Obviously you can't control how the prologue turns out. It HAS to happen to set the events for the rest of the game. Why do people always complain about this point?

[@Sad-Lesbian]

Why are you given a choice if it's not going to change anything? That's what annoys me

[@rhettgedies7467]

Huhbuhduh Because the prologue breaks you into how the game works. Obviously including some "choice" parts. Seriously, on first playthrough, was anyone complaining? No. Why? Because they didn't know better or care. The plot itself was enough to keep them hooked.

[@jadelee4404]

+Huhbuhduh towards the very end of the game Hannah is found to have eaten Beth, if I remember correctly, if you make Beth let her go, there will be no note from Hannah apologizing to Beth. So it *does* change something, but not very much. I might be being stupid and remembering wrong though XD

[@strahinjagov]

also, it's supposed to be a tutorial for the game.

[@Kuwassu]

Well, if it didn't happen, there would be no plot/story is a LOT different

[@smaragdchaos]

Here's another sin: If Chris knocks Josh out in the shed, Handigo still manages to find Josh and kidnaps him, even though an unconscious target shouldn't be moving and wendigos are effectively blind to stillness.

[@leonpaelinck]

Good point. Also, do we ever get an explanation why Handigo didn't kill Josh right away? The second time she does kill him.

[@leonpaelinck]

In the game's defense, he could have woken up by that time and started freaking out.

[@smaragdchaos]

@@leonpaelinck If that was the case, the game should've at least addressed it. And like you said, Handigo not killing Josh is a plothole. Handigo had no memories of Josh as confirmed by a later event where Josh has to scream out Hannah's name to save his life, else Handigo crushes his head on the spot and that's it for Josh.

[@MiguelSanchezDelVillar]

@@smaragdchaos It depends on when Josh discovers that Hannah is a Wndigo, if he finds out earlier she doesnt kill him

[@smaragdchaos]

@@MiguelSanchezDelVillar That's what I said

[@carlosrvra]

Jessica fell down multiple stories of an elevator shaft with twisted metal following her down. I don't think Mike was wrong for thinking her dead 😄

[@TylerAavet]

A sin I noticed is that the board game Chris drew out from his robe, is way too small to fit the giant wooden spirit board. And from the looks of it, it doesn't seem to be able to fold either. And watching this video again, I noticed Jess said "That's like my fourth one this year". This game takes place in February. Meaning she managed to lose three other phones within two months. And in The Flamethrower Guy's journal, Sam read about him locking the Wendigos in the sanatorium, which is what she wanted to warn him about. The sin here is that Ashley read it first, so she should have been the one to have noticed.

[@Aloyus_Knight]

"I can't imagine doing anything worse to someone" Have you ever seen a film called Carrie?

[@goldenphantom2259]

Oh my gosh imagine how bad it would’ve bend if they did that instead.

[@malevolentsnow9867]

Real talk, teenagers in that book were crazy.

[@slimegirl4099]

Why do people view Carrie as the villain in that movie?

[@blu42nj]

Shit, has he ever read the NEWS?

[@pixelgirl9423]

"Plus she's rich." "Hannah is a b*tch" Yo that rhymed

[@theblackkat2164]

actually wolverines are REALLY smart! they can open barn doors and eat food from sacks you have hanging on a tree branch!they're common home invaders if wolverines live in your area!oh yeah and they're EXREMELY aggressive! bears are scared of them!

[@adrianramirez4129]

I always find myself coming back to this video 4 years later. i played the hell out of this game and got the platinum trophy. Your humor and how you describe the characters in the game makes me cry laugh at some points. I loved this game and i love this video.

[@Aisha_Gii]

Another sin: I didn't see the characters eat or drink anything so how did they have the energy to run? I would've been starving after the first hour 😭

[@williscockfit1994]

First of all… you prolly fat af… plus it’s only a day, plenty of movies do the same thing

[@sundustfromjupiter64]

adrenaline. they were being chased by wendigos, so I don't think they would have time for snacks anyway. they were just running on pure adrenaline.

[@ijoinedthedarkside333]

Going 10 hours without food is easy

[@Aisha_Gii]

@@sundustfromjupiter64 true, but still, not a single candy bar or anything? I woulda resorted to cannibalism too LMAO

[@kermitscomingtoyourhouse9404]

4:06 dude r u srsly not thinking about what’s revealed later in the game? Hannah and Beth were never found because Hannah survived and buried Beth, but she later dug up the grave, ate Beth and turned into a wendigo, leaving Beth’s head behind. So if you need an answer to that question, there you go

[@scorpiocarnage1055]

Tom Wiggo That still doesn't answer the question. Beth and Hannah were never in an isolated area that they couldn't be found. And the house itself connects to the mines and the sanatorium meaning people should have had knowledge about those places and looked in there. Even if the rescue team couldn't find them, flamethrower guy would have. Now if Hannah and Beth were in an unexplored part of the mine where only a wendigo can climb in and out, that would make more sense.

[@killercat5678]

Nobody has like ever noticed the other windigos have clothes yet Hannah is wearing panties. She was dressed. Two sets of clothes even.

[@Rafael-yd4jj]

I know I'm late... but maybe because she got far bigger than the others, her clothes got ripped

[@Ксюша-ь5ш4ш]

1. she’s bigger than the other wendigos and the others are men so she must have grown more than they have. the wendigo that fought mike in the sanatorium is not even that much bigger than mike. 2. the others’ miner uniforms are probably more stiff than hannah’s blouse and jeans

[@bernardosax]

This guy has a nice voice.

[@JohnSmith32643]

Better than GCN

[@Egalitariat-likesecretariat]

+BG Knocc Out I honestly like GCN's voice better. Dartigan's commentary is better, though. The moment that really defines the difference in their styles, at least to me, is their observations of the term 'sexile' (sin 100 at 13:13 or so). GCN just brushes it off with the old 'is that what kids are sayin' nowadays?', while Dartigan actually makes the effort of pointing out that it was a stupid thing to say in context, which is entertaining AND educational. WALL OF TEXT END.

[@aaron75fy]

Dartigan's commentary is worse based on the simple fact that he can't be bothered to get any facts right

[@Egalitariat-likesecretariat]

Aaron Page Did you *mean* to type Dartigan there?

[@aaron75fy]

HellChuggapri1 yes I did, I meant to type Dartigan there. I meant it because on several videos he just says the first thing to pop into his head regardless of whether he gets the facts right or not. something GCN rarely does

[@bryandavis9671]

Before I say anything, I want say that I am a huge fan and I love your KZbin channel (shout out in particular to the FFXIII sins videos, I have re-watched them countless times). There are a few things I wanted to point out (some in response to some of the sins and others my own interpretations). I am sure others have mentioned them as well, but I haven’t seen them in the comments lol. -For the sin about having barrels of combustible fluids, I believe that the flamethrower guy must have amassed them from somewhere, it may not have anything to do with the sanatorium itself. -The reason Sam reacted the way she did when she saw flamethrower guy’s journal is that she learns that he has several wendigos in captivity in the sanatorium, which is where Mike is headed. -The ghost lady jumpscare was explained in-game. While playing through that scene, you can find a camera, and I THINK a projector of some sort (can’t remember, but I know there were two clues in that one room). It wasn’t the robot that Josh built. -I believe Josh never encountered a Wendigo while setting up the prank because he never left close proximity of the lodge, while flamethrower guy had all of the other wendigos under control. It’s not super clear when Josh set it all up so Hannah may not have become a wendigo at this point, and even then, she seems to retain some of her memories as a human, seeing as she has Josh in her hold in various parts of the game but doesn’t seem to harm him (until that one part close to the end). -Which brings me to another interesting point. It takes a really long time for the Hannah wendigo to actually go after Mike or Sam (there is even a scene where she pulls Mike under water and he escapes unharmed). I believe she still recognizes them and that she stops herself from going after them (which would explain not only how Sam escaped the Wendigo during the running back to the lodge scene, but also why it went after Jessica first and was so sneaky about it). I would remove a few sins for that. -Lastly I have a feeling that Emily is generally disliked, but can we talk about Ashley for a second? Girl is very gullible and dives into Josh’s plan headfirst at several points, panics every two seconds and ends up acting out in really dumb ways that put herself (separating from the group to find “Jessica” after reading herself that the wendigo can imitate its prey) and others (immediately jumping to the conclusion that Emily is becoming a wendigo for being bitten by one) in danger. Emily has an attitude but at least she can handle herself, whereas Ashley in an actual horror movie setting would probably die first. Anyway, I apologize for the long comment, and keep up the good work!! Your videos are hilarious 😊

[@bryandavis9671]

Ohh yeah, and as for the fact that Josh seems to be targeting Chris (and Ashley to an extent) exclusively for his prank, he does have a conversation with Sam at one point in the game where they talk about how Chris and Ashley need a "push" in the right direction. Coupling that with the fact that he is off his meds and possibly even already being under the influence of the wendigo spirit, I believe he had confused intentions between revenge and "helping" his best friend out.

[@heyimlate5656]

This game is actually really good though, literally one of the best choice games out there

[@Ajeeb_Aalu]

This is the first game where your choices actually does matter.

[@mafiablokes]

Actually I would say Heavy Rain was the first real mainstream game with different actions that matter. It's just that the over saturation of Telltale games now days have made everyone assume all choices in games before now were totally meaningless

[@Ajeeb_Aalu]

+Ragsy x Yes,i played heavy rain but i think the choices you make at the end are the only ones that counts.

[@mafiablokes]

+Sajjad Ali Shah Nah, I would say choices pretty much all through the game have a good impact one way or another. There isn't really a false choice that I can remember

[@Ajeeb_Aalu]

+McFlufferTits I heard about beyond two souls but never played it,is it any good?

[@staticshotaop561]

psycho Warlord the story is shitty and the gameplay is shiyyy

[@FarscapeSDC]

This game is what results when someone plays a David Cage game and says "wow, what an amazing, immersive experience, with rich characters!" instead of "wow, what a pretentious piece of shit with boring, unlikable characters, a non-nonsensical plot, and a director with his head so far up his own arse he's approaching Hideo Kojiima levels of having your head up your own arse."

[@thatoneguy1232]

I have no idea if this has been addressed, and I know this video was made years ago, and this doesn’t even matter much, but some sins are just from not paying attention like with Mike’s gun. That is a loaded gun that Mike obtained in the sanatorium. The guns don’t even look the same. The door Chris struggles with is a different door tho that scene is still ridiculous lol. The flamethrower guy drops his bag as he walks into the lodge. The next scene after Chris comes back we see the group in the basement. It’s likely they took it down with them.

[@macwildin99]

"I remember that thing that happened right behind me that I never saw."- Dartigan That had me laughing

[@makokiller13]

This still is my favorite horror game. Plays good, great picture and setting. Classic horror cliques, and an awesome VR spinoff

[@williscockfit1994]

Half of the sins were later explained, but his attention span is 5 seconds ig 💀

[@SalvadorDolbyvsZAWARUDO]

One thing I don't like that they missed about the Windego lore is that it can possess you in your dreams. That chick was out for a good long while, it would've been a nice moment.

[@iceoriental123]

Really, you're complaining about the lack of a lesser-known Wendigo power, rather than the fact that the 'Wendigo' in the game is a spider zombie and not a large, deer-skulled, super hungry, teleporting, hatchet-using monster. I genuinely thought it was a Skinwalker that appeared in Alberta since it lacked the skull, until Flamethrower Guy says it's a Wendigo.

[@Ксюша-ь5ш4ш]

half of those aren’t sins at all. 0:23 the reason they show the characters’ twitching faces in the menu is probably to make you uncomfortable with the proximity 0:42 that’s just ridiculous. camera angles are obviously meant to show the information that is the most interesting and/or important to the viewer 0:58 first of all, it’s dark in the entire lodge (and the fact that it’s never explained is a sin, but that’s not what we’re talking about rn). second of all, they obviously never meant to hide for long, emily wouldn’t allow hannah and mike to actually make out, so they didn't need good hiding places 1:42 she is being dramatic, but it’s inderstandable. though no sex was filmed, it’s still a giant embarrassment, especially for a “good girl” that hannah’s used to being. everyone saw her willingness to instantly undress for mike the second he offered sex while he was still dating someone else, that’s desperate and humiliating. not to mention, hannah’s quite likely a virgin. it’s very understandable for me that she wanted to physically remove herself from the house. 1:53 what is wrong with quick time events? in a game like this, where a lot realistically depends on how agile characters manage to be, they’re a great feature 2:14 it is important because even though there is no phone connection on the mountain, hannah could’ve used the phone to make sound or light signals to locate herself after the fall. she apparently didn’t have her phone on her so beth’s was the only option 3:33 the therapist is josh’s hallucination and josh’s head is a mess. the therapist was obviously meant to be weird and obnoxious. 4:21 i assume sam’s rewatching the video because she finds the idea of going back strange and is worried for josh so she’s trying to get a better understanding of what he has planned 4:38 why is everyone always so surprises that when josh invites everyone to the mountain with a secret purpose, the excuse he makes to get them to come makes no sense? it makes no sense because it’s not the truth. 5:44 if there was a run button, everyone would run all of the time. and that ruins the immersion, because in real life people walk most of the time. 12:32 why do people always act like a character acting irrationally is a sin? emily overreacts and makes things up because she’s jealous, that’s as easy as that. 13:17 i’m pretty sure emily is supposed to be 100% unlikeable at the beginning and that’s okay 13:40 the house is big enough to fit everyone and they were having a party last year so they were supposed to all hang out together. it’s perfectly possible for jess to not know where the cabin is. 17:34 sinse chris apologises, i assume he knew about the prank before getting drunk and didn’t do anything to stop it. they told sam, hannah’s best friend and the most reasonable person here, about the prank, so why would they hide it from chris? 19:12 they did have to run away from a wendigo that they thought was a bear, that does kind of ruin your mood 19:27 how is that a sin? mike likes jess and he wants to get her to sleep with him so he would obviously say that 19:37 they literally are in high school 20:38 you don’t set wood on fire with a lighter, you need something you can throw in the fireplace and leave it there (i.e. a match) 21:11 probably because josh was drawing inspiration from this movie? 21:22 the first stage is always denyal and that is normal 24:27 the reason she kept the light on is, surprisingly, because you shot the squirrel at the beginning (seriously, why would you do that?). because of that, she had a scratch on her eye from the crow and that distracted her. so it’s you who failed, not sam. 25:37 she doesn’t have a stable ground to make a good enough jump from. the ledge is clearly not “just a few feet away”. moreover, if she tried to jump, she probably would just deform the gate more and possibly end up with nothing to stand on. 27:27 she’s extremely on edge with a lot of adrenaline, she would obviously react strongly to the tiniest things 27:45 this was set up by josh. why can’t he add a tacky jumspscare into his tacky maniac story? 28:53 probably because the killer isn’t actually a killer and wants to create an engaging story? it would be a lot less interesting if sam had spent the rest of the night tied up in a locked room alone. 29:04 while this does look suspicious, mike is athletic and chris is a nerd so mike would obviously be stronger 32:03 how is that a sin? emily and mike still being strongly attached to one another is a part of the plot, regardless of whether you believe that they’re secretly together or not 32:12 didn’t you say that you know the gun is full of blanks like a minute ago? 33:32 chris acts irrational in this scene because he’s caring. exactly the trait that he’s originally described as and that you said he actually didn’t have 34:33 he was shown putting his bag on the floor earlier. obviously they took the bag with them when they went to the basement 36:36 the flamethrower guy lived here. the explosive liquid is probably the fuel for the flamethrower.

[@Shmlalex]

This comment is very underrated. your points make sense

[@flashviper2835]

This is the best comment of this entire comment section, you understand the game better and, even if I don't want to be like a ''hater'' you sounds a lot smarter than the actual creator of the video, most underrated comment, +1

[@jil8091]

The only person here who understood the game. Most of those sins are just useless complaints. Like at the beginning shooting the squirrel and then getting attacked by the crow shows how being cruel to animals can affect the story negatively. Some elements are there to teach the player. I also didn't understand how he complained so much about classic horror clichés? It's still scary and has an amazing atmosphere so this comes down to personal preference.

[@flashviper2835]

@@jil8091 I'm glad I was not the only one thinking that :)

[@Satire_Filmz]

I’m happy for you or I’m sorry that happened