Game Theory: You Have NO Choice! (Octopath Traveler CotC)

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What if a ring could grant you your deepest desires... at the cost of your own freewill? I think that is what may be happening to our character in the new mobile game Octopath Traveler: Champions of the Continent. While the story is still ongoing, I think we can figure out what awaits us on our hero's journey and how this whole thing may just be a trick... Let's go!
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[@VitorCarvalhoeAllenAlien]

Damn, I've never heard of this game so I'm just here nodding like: "Ah, yes Herminia and Auguste, my buddies. I think I saw them at the local barbecue last week."

[@MbitaChizi]

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[@globeonthethread866]

Yep. Same

[@globeonthethread866]

Also, I’m the first non bot comment

[@sunnythesaopycultguy6969]

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[@VitorCarvalhoeAllenAlien]

@@sunnythesaopycultguy6969 They were attracted like flies to honey for some reason 👀

[@s_lizz_e7928]

“What ever your heart desires” Matpat: “Can it solve FNAF’s timeline?”

[@imbetterlol1670]

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[@melancholicechosingstothemoon]

And then ring explode

[@unreachablesecretary]

@@melancholicechosingstothemoon And destroys the universe while it's at it

[@antoinegaming936]

@ᴋʙ No

[@YonkoJ]

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[@durandol]

I'd like Matpat to do a theory or two on some older games. Imagine him dealing with the brain twisting madness that is the Marathon series.

[@dawnyzero0]

Same. Or something that never really got explained like in Tattletail. Or the ending of Darkwood.

[@franxx941]

watching mandalore doing Marathon was so fun, matt would go crazy over that much lore.

[@grimsladeleviathan3958]

We already condemned Mandalore to madness, it was a sad sad sight. Let's try to do that to MatPat too

[@teowaage8032]

I love that with all of MatPat’s videos, even if it’s sponsored, he seems genuinely passionate about the game

[@GuyWithAGreatsword]

Agreed Octopath is a beautiful game with the only downside is that the stories don't connect

[@bumblebeegamerreal]

Can't wait for the rings to become a secret or true final boss, where the rings merge to become a beast and all of the characters team up to destroy the rings

[@Thisissoawesome]

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my god the bots why are there so many

[@watermelongirl142]

@@games4gamernormal-user342 just report them, they'll eventually get banned

[@geraldjoeexploring8595]

alternative ending: after you beat the final boss, the person who gave you the ring appears and uses the rings to kill you over, and over, and over again

[@Czar_Khasm]

There’s a character named Pardis that uses the Wealth, Power, and Fame ones together later on

[@jstar3382]

Octopath had a really interesting story, really. The final boss was stupidly difficult, but it was nice that it required you to actually use every aspect of the super in-depth combat

[@traskth]

I literally found this out a just two weeks ago when i listened to the OST and found Daughter of the Dark God and was like "i dont remember hearing this track". So i looked it up and found that a final boss existed after finishing all 8 stories. It is unbelievebly hard anf you have to be lucky in how the boss attacks in both phases. Its also interesting that Simion, Primroses final boss, has a connection to the ring of Fame in CotC.

[@thenamelessoner]

MATPAT HAS TO DO A THEORY ABOUT MERGE MANOR IT HAS MORE ADS AND PLOT

[@TheRyman230]

I really wished they weren't encased in their own worlds, they kind of mingle with one another, but each character had their own story completely separate for each other despite working with one another and adventuring together.

[@thenamelessoner]

@@TheRyman230 yes

[@EveryThingGirl238]

I love how I have to strategies my characters. I have Cyrus as my Arch Mage/Sorcerer Ophelia Healer/Starseer Primrose Dancer/Healer Therion Theif/Runemaster By having two healers, which I either make Primrose or Tressa, I can tank more hits. And Cyrus is my main guy besides Ophilia that has the most SP to do attacks. Ophelia is my support, and Cyrus can pack quiet the punch as Arch Mage with his special power that targets one guy. Therion is both support and attack, it works great.

[@Stevejake12]

I'm glad Octopath Traveler is finally getting the recognition it should have

[@Crispyinthecutt]

Honestly this could be an anime if someone creative got their hands on this game and watched the theories to make it have a twist like you’re summoned then turns out theyre evil idk

[@GuyWithAGreatsword]

I wish, I wanna see the story of Rinyuu and Velnorte animated

[@TeamAquaLeaderArchy]

This was a very interesting Theory as a fan of the series my only question is does this game have a secret final boss that is ridiculously overpowered and requires precise strategies unlike the rest of the game

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[@tristanbowles7258]

The original game does. This game being a newly released mobile game with a slow rollout of content, not really yet. There’s still super bosses, but nothing BS. But I hear in the Japanese game (which has been out for over two years now) there are plenty of BS difficulty bosses requiring precise strats (and sometimes specific Gatcha characters)

[@ruanedson2250]

it does have more than a couple, and more are getting added as the games goes on

[@connorhamilton5707]

@@tristanbowles7258 The global release is actually at a much accelerated pace for content. We are getting the Tikilen cup very soon, for example. Additionally, while I haven't been able to see them yet, I have heard that once you've beaten a couple BT fights you can attempt some level 100 fights that are basically impossible for now.

[@Aer_333]

Definitely a super interesting theory. The only key point that I think was missed is the ritual to purify the rings; meaning the reason that the rings made Tytos, Herminia, and Auguste go berserk is because the rings are corrupted, or rather become corrupted. The ritual to purify them is successful…but then we see what happened to Pathos and Apathia (the Ring Maidens)… The more interesting thing to perhaps look into is the Tower of Remembrance. If you defeat all of the elite enemies in a particular region, you’ll unlock a boss within that particular “bonfire” inside the tower. If you defeat that extra boss, you unlock some lore about HOW Auguste, Herminia, and Tytos came across the rings… …they were given to them by a shadowed figure. Sound a bit familiar? A “shadowed figure” also gave our character their ring. Maybe they’re the same person. Just my thoughts.

[@switchboxplays]

Actually, I think it’s implied that Simeon gave auguste his ring…

[@collisioncoursegaming4716]

I believe it’s also revealed in the JP version that two of the bosses from the bestower storylines gave Tytos and Herminia their respective rings.

[@basteala525]

"Purified" could also be from a certain point of view...

[@AresSG]

Actually *Spoiler ahead, you've been warned* ................................................................................................................... ................................................................... ................................................................ .................................... You nailed it on the head. Although Simeon did give Auguste his ring, the shadowy figure who gave you the ring actually gave all eight rings to human's. He's actually Finis the father of the gods and he turned eight of them into rings to resurrect his wife Orsa, the only problem is the eight gods he turned into rings were the ones protecting the world so Finis felt conflicted because he also noticed that Humanity wasn't exactly that great. So he bestowed the rings unto them as a way for them to decide for him whether they deserve protection or he should let them rot and revive Orsa. If you played Octopath Traveler that's why only Winnihild, Balogar, Steorra and Dreisang are physically present in the game. Aelfric and the rest of the gods who represent the 8 basic classes are the rings.

[@thefastestlink5637]

6:11 they did lead the town and survive. you said it yourself, a year passed between master of wealth and bestower of wealth. they weren't exactly defenseless without our help, either. in the battle that ensues at the start of the bestower of wealth prologue, there are eleven enemies shown in the cutscene, and all but one of them are dead in the next. you only take out three in the battle. i'm sure they handled themselves pretty well over that year.

[@cccyanide3034]

Hey, I think Cube Escape could be an interesting game to cover. It's an escape room - type game with 9 levels and some pretty deep lore

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THE GAME THEORY IS REAAAALLL!!!!

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[@tortolgawd4481]

And now, the great theorist era

[@winner9033]

Theory Piece

[@jameswest6232]

As someone who played the original Octopath Traveler: Yes, MatPat, the 13th god WAS indeed that bad (not to mention a secret boss you need a strategy guide to beat) Seriously, tho, please look at the original game.

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[@jackjones2454]

Would love to see a theory on the original.

[@theshinypeliper8813]

Agreed, didn’t he literally want to destroy humanity?

[@Chronicler9]

I definitely want to check these games out thanks to Mat though so I'm glad he covered something about it!

[@deadersurvival4716]

We are TOLD he wants to end humanity by a corrupt entity. What, do you think corrupt gods have a "no lying" policy? Before you start bashing Matpat, try using some critical thinking

[@AmongUsStopMotion]

I was waiting for one of your videos, I really love watching them. They are the best, keep it up!!!

[@T_Dev69]

What an honor, a compliment from THE Mr. Among Us Stop Motion🫡🫡

[@ds5426]

3:08 "Any truly traditional RPG deserves itself a traditional Game Theory Episode. So today, I am here to tell you that classic Game Theory thesis we love so well: the hero is..." Me: "Ness?"

[@HatakeMegumi]

Can we actually have a theory on the original Octopath? Between all the grinding and the different stories, it was hard to put everything together and it was a fantastic game.

[@thenamelessoner]

MATPAT HAS TO DO A THEORY ABOUT MERGE MANOR IT HAS MORE ADS AND PLOT

[@raldoman-kfpexecutivekroni2854]

Absolutely love Octopath

[@jackjones2454]

It would be pretty interesting to see a theroy on Gahldera (13th god), as he has a major role in the postgame of the original octopus that and works as the plot device that pulls the right character paths together.

[@Dark139hunter]

Why is mat getting spammed by bots all of a sudden?

[@Snacker6]

@@Dark139hunter 7 replies, and 6 are bots

[@Dark139hunter]

@@Snacker6 it’s so weird

[@GalderaVG]

It would be interesting yeah lol

[@thenamelessoner]

MATPAT HAS TO DO A THEORY ABOUT MERGE MANOR IT HAS MORE ADS AND PLOT

[@GuyWithAGreatsword]

Man I cried when Velnorte died. Velnorte and Rinyuu are my favorite characters I wish I could have them as party members.

[@butterssss]

Emotional damage

[@fadegrim]

I need to suggest a game that has some of the darkest lore I know and I really feel like a theory can be made out of it. The game is called is called Into The Radius. It's a VR game and it's got some really cool features and hidden lore that is found while exploring throughout the game.

[@richardbednarski55]

If you play original Octopath Traveler, you will learn later that "Galdera", the 13th God are the evil one. It has massive spoilers, since the original one story also tied to this prequel game. And some characters appeared or mentioned at original are appeared at CoTC.

[@namikkou]

Ever thought about covering the original Octopath Traveler? It's a great switch game that never got the attention it deserved

[@user-fx4ob2zh3p]

*POAH JUST GIVE ME RECENT HATE ALREADY!!* *MY GOAL IS BECOME THE MOST HATED KZbinR ON EARTH!* 🤬🎥

[@esthiem4388]

honestly, given the surge in RPGs that we've seen in recent years, I'd love to see more videos like these on said RPGs

[@pyroplays575]

I remember buying Octopath traveler on steam and loving it immediately… maybe I’ll finish it someday.

[@DiabloGraves]

15:09 Game Theory Theory: MatPat has the Divine Ring of FNAF and it forces him to keep reading the books and making more videos on the series

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[@gonddog29]

Can you please make a theory for the first OCTOPATH traveller, I loved the first game and after 100% completing the game I was still somewhat co fused on the story.

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Haha bots

[@ramen_kirby]

I love the limited 3d in this game, it’s so charming!

[@whynot8910]

It's great. Isn't it? Also. Those are called 2.5d

[@Hummingb1rd]

I love the limited 3d in this game, it's so charming!

[@CH369]

Tbh square Enix makes game look soo beautiful like every game I play by them looks amazing 👏 they care about how the game looks and the gameplay 👌 perfect

[@squib1651]

mat pat should make a theory about the lore of splatoon. especially since the 3rd game comes out soon

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[@ked49]

So many bots. Also he did find out they are squids

[@Theycallmetomu]

Meta stuff is really big in the team that makes Octopath. Like I said: look into the Bravely Default series. I 100% believe in the "The ring is controlling your choices" theory just because it is very very on brand.

[@Thisissoawesome]

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[@firefliesowlcity12]

Yep, one of my favorite moments ever is in the original Bravely Default when the big bad is explaining his plan. Internally, I'm going "Blah blah blah, conquer the world/Celestial Realm, whatever." Then the screen breaks and I see myself, suddenly I realize who his target in the Celestial Realm is and flip out from both the reveal and how high the stakes become.

[@Theycallmetomu]

@@firefliesowlcity12 I forget the specifics, but there was something I read somewhere where snack of the serpent involved it being implied that the composer's world was the snack? I wish I could find the reference, I thought it was super cool. But yeah, the Bravely series seems like something MattPat would really like.

[@MB-jl7qq]

heres an idea What if the ring the main character gets at the star of the game is supposed to represent greed? it kinda makes sense, given the fact that the goal of the game is to obtain said rings.

[@BrotherTheory]

That's some clever thinking right there, MB :)

[@kayleighhunter5025]

Thank you for introducing me to Octopath Traveler! I am absolutely in love with the game and already put 24 hours into it! Right now I am playing the original but love it all the same. Great story, characters, design, just everything!

[@dungdinh6344]

'Winning was easy. Governing's harder' Thank you for feeding my Hamilton obsession.

[@cylexia]

ive only heard about octopath traveller in passing and my only impression of it was that it looked aesthetically pleasing so to see a theory from you and hear about it, it sounds interesting!

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At 2:23 …. That Markiplier? Lmao

[@deannal.newton9772]

I didn't really play that game since it's a mobile game, but I did play the first Octopath Traveler game which is the sequel of Octopath Traveler: Champions of the Continent. As far as I know, the first Octopath Traveler game has Ophelia the Cleric, Cyrus the Scholar, Tressa the Merchant, Olberic the Knight, Primrose the Dancer, Alfyn the Apothecary, Therion the Thief, and H'aanit the Hunter. In Octopath Traveler 2, you get Ochette the Hunter, Castti the Apothecary, Throne the Thief, Osvald the Scholar, Partitio the Merchant, Temenos the Cleric, and Hikari the Warrior. In Octopath 2, they replaced the Knight job with the Warrior job but they both function the same way.

[@JayMonkey21]

I just finished running 1.8 miles and seeing this makes me happy

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[@Randombookwoorm]

Goodjob

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@@MbitaChizi ok I wont

[@buggywithsoup]

SO MANY BOTS

[@maxoshiro]

Imagine MatPat doing a theory on mobile Octopath without playing the main game

[@placeholdername3818]

It's because he was paid by a sponsor to do it

[@Error_o7]

"The hero is the villain _acually_" Ngl that sounded so fun i had to hear it again and say ir with ya XD

[@polandsocks]

I have big flashback to Lord of the Ring. The longer you have the ring,the more corupted you becoming.

[@GeneralCorruptchu]

I’m surprised Matpat’s heart desire wasn’t solve the entire FNAF lore.

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@ArcadianLyrics 4 bots

[@fandomotaku9921]

The irony of Google Play being the sponsor for a video titled, "You Have NO Choice" just kills me.

[@zacharywong483]

That was a really fun video Matpat! Really like seeing you analyze the lore of jrpg's!

[@scarletrevon522]

I played the og octopaths game and loved it I didn’t know they had a mobile game, definitely going to go play that now! Thank you for making this always enjoy your videos your attention to detail is amazing!

[@_hamhead_3641]

6:39 AH AH THATS A HAMILTON HE DID A HAMILTON

[@2toes2good15]

He did indeed

[@FelineDeskFan13]

1:03 an adventure waiting in my pocket as long as I’m watching on a mobile device? *tries to shove iPad into my pocket I don’t think so :P

[@epicexplo]

I love that mark was in the beginning as the all powerful

[@Kazokashi]

Was pleasantly surprised to see a game theory on this game. And an interesting one too!

[@LoypreX]

Love the editing skills

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the ammount of bots oh my god😭😭

[@viviengemai9796]

Just because a god of absolute justice established a world order of domination and submission, doesn't mean the one they found so abhorrent as to lock away forever isn't an evil chaos god out to destroy all existence. The enemy of one extreme is likely another and should not be your friend, MatPat.

[@Zuldaar]

That final statement on the video is like hearing that Zeus punished Prometheus for giving humanity the gift of fire, and going on to think "Maybe Kronos wasn't such a bad guy after all"

[@hieuhuu3172]

6:58 angi grape

[@Pavelthesnail]

This is an amazing video ! You should do more like this !!!

[@nicolasbarraza9542]

I've been wondering... if all of the ringbearers can transform into a monster with the power of their respective rings... does the main traveller character also has that ability?... as MatPat said, how are we different? The only thing we notice is that all rings except ours glows red instead of blue...

[@bi_luna_games]

Spoilers but they have to activate their ring in order to do so. It's something they have to chose to do. Matpat left that part out. Main character chooses not to do it, hence we ARE different. It's not our abilities, it's our choices. Really feels like he didn't actually read the story imo.

[@Corrupted_Cris]

One last thing the best option would be power because you can be a boxer and win every match to get wealthy and fame would come

[@Corrupted_Cris]

What are those

[@Corrupted_Cris]

Ahh ok

[@Corrupted_Cris]

Just wanna say I made this as like a joke so don't take this seriously

[@Jane-ow7sr]

5:40 since octopath is my recent obsession. No. One was nothing but a playwright who got what he wanted in the end and no one suspected him of decades long murders in the first place. And the other was faught by a band of vigilantes, NOT MAFIA, that brought stability afterwards by not having a central town leader. The story isnt done yet but he's giving the villains wayyy too much credit.

[@thatonehumandend1791]

Wealth, fame, power, gol d Rodger had this and everything else the world had to offer

[@BigDaddySama]

I actually think the "Ring is the true bbeg" is the intended lore. It mirrors the original Octopath Traveler in your actions throughout the game actually makes it possible to summon and fight the secret super-boss.

[@MacCraeToons1214]

Hardcore Theater kids, ARE real life boss fights. We have the cutscenes to prove it.

[@benito23453]

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[@AhmadLad]

MatPat doing a video about this gem of a game is… just… MARVELOUS !

[@Sayll]

No way, I love OCTOPATH Traveller, this is insane that you’re doing a video on it

[@fenne3589]

Finally, Octopath Traveler getting the attention and love it deserves!

[@justsean1060]

BEGONE BEAST!!! *BEGONE*

[@emmadictator4062]

I’m surprised you mage a video on this I got this game recently LOL IMA WATCH LATER BECAUSE IM BUSY THOUGH

[@imbetterlol1670]

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[@Lady_Cereza]

Hermidia is so pretty and such a sad back story I find it cool if the rings were the final secret boss and your team is all the ring owners

[@FBIandre123]

“Wealth, Fame, Power. The man who had acquired everything in this world, the Pirate King, Gold Roger.

[@Werewolf914]

I had no idea Octopath Traveler had a mobile game, I thought this was going to be a theory on the main game, I'm okay with this too, I'm glad to hear it's not a game you can't play without spending 100s of $, that's why I never touch Mobile games, that and it's kind of hard to play games on a phone.

[@The_Shimp]

I remember being addicted to the Switch game a couple years ago, so I got excited when you guys randomly made a video about it. Can’t wait to play this new game.

[@issiefizzy5315]

Ok random and unrelated, but I just got an ad for a app called "adoptive mind" before this video, almost thought that was the theory intro- But that got me thinking, what if it does have some lore? Talking math monsters? Sounds about right to me. I dont actually know if it does but would it be halarious if it did. Also there are apperaintly pets in there, but that elephant sure looks like it's been held hostage and just witnessed its mom die- Edit:- ok well, just watched the ep1 ad, I mean definitely a stretch but what if there life depended on math? Yea.. probably not-

[@issiefizzy5315]

Tbh it might just be bc I want mattpatt to watch ads for a child's math problems.

[@valacius]

I've just thought about the idea of Game Theory doing a video on Hunt: Showdown. Maybe looking into the Corruption and the Sculptor and seeing if any of the legendary hunters are being used by the Sculptor like the Night Seer and his cult or the Sinners cult, or even something to do with the AHA or any of the boss monsters, the gunplay, some of the consumables like hive bomb or concertina bombs, etc. They could even look into the event Serpent's Moon that's going on right now. I'd just really love a video on Hunt: Showdown from one of my favorite channels. I feel like there's possibly something they could find there in that game that would get their theorist minds going.

[@heartlessnobody1143]

Wealth. Fame. Power. One Man attained everything this world had to offer, the king of pirates, *Gold Roger.*

[@nomnom2298]

THE ONE PIECE IS REAL!!!

[@darkionexar7538]

But no one is gonna lie. Octopath has one of the best writting ever since 2002

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[@alexasmith3157]

I know! I love it so much and look forward to continue playing.

[@gabs4726]

I agree with you

[@aboogala4678]

I agree, but I'm sorry for your infestation of bots

[@thephony1651]

God, you shouldn’t even bother looking in replies on MatPat videos anymore. Just overrun with bots.

[@ybfriendlystrawberry]

If a divine ring comes your way, question everything. I wonder if there's a way to avoid the ring or stop its control. I mean there has to be as long as one understands how something functions

[@calinstanciu9385]

A detail that needs to be pointed out. The rings the three big bads owned were given to them by the bigger bad, Galdera's daughter Lyblac. The game makes it clear she gave the rings to them for the express purpose of corrupting them. The theory teased at the end wouldn't be so bad if not for the fact Lyblac is undeniably evil, something Werner, the destroyer of Hornburg, the town where the Gate of Finis, behind which Galdera was sealed, makes it clear in his diary. Quote: "She was beautiful-there can be no doubt of that. But did I desire her, even for a moment? No. For within that attractive trapping was evil-pure evil, intent on bringing humanity to ruin. If a man dared touch any part of it, his own flesh would rot and fall away. She was a lethal poison. She was a witch. And so I cut myself off from her entirely and did not look back." End quote. So there you have it: if a villain claims that the big bad is the big bad, then the big bad is the big bad. And yes, I am aware that the diary said that Lyblac had Olberic, one of the eight protagonists of the forest game and the last Knight of Hornburg to bring him down, but that doesn't make sense because for eight years Olberic thought Werner's scapegoat Erhardt was the destroyer of Hornburg, which, again, was part of Lyblac's plan. What's more likely is that Aelfric was the one who had Olberic strike down Werner by having him meet the other seven main protagonists of the first game, including, won't you know it, a member of the Order of the Sacred Flame. This hints to me that, while Hornburg's fall was masterminded by Lyblac, Werner's fall was masterminded by Aelfric. And if that's not enough proof, keep in mind how Lyblac also tried to corrupt Kit and Lianna, the former a descendant of a champion of Aelfric's, the latter another member of the Order of the Sacred Flame, and succeeded with Mattias, the big bad of Ophilia's story, Ophilia being the Order of the Sacred Flame member Olberic met. And Mattias himself was implied to be yet another member of the Order once, until a cataclysm happened, cataclysm for which Mattias blamed Aelfric. It's exactly the "The Hero Is The Villain" theory that Lyblac used to corrupt Mattias, Lianna and Kit, and Werner knew it. What Aelfric strikes me more as from this theory is a Knight Templar. He knows there's a darkness in this world, and he's willing to do anything to ensure said darkness won't end up releasing Galdera. That's why he established the Order of the Sacred Flame and gave it complete control over the society. That's why he had the order give his ring to the chosen one. That's why he chose Ophilia as the Flamebearer instead of Lianna. He knew Lianna was emotionally unstable due to her father dying and that Ophilia would go to the length of trying to do the kindling, a journey a member of the Order does once every 20 years, in Lianna's place. He knew Mattias, who betrayed Aelfric, was the reason Lianna's father was dying. What he didn't know was that Mattias killed Lianna's father specifically to make Lianna emotionally unstable so Lyblac could corrupt her. Now, Lyblac failed to corrupt Lianna, since Ophilia made Lianna snap out of it and killed Mattias, but if Aelfric didn't set up Ophilia as the Flamebearer, Lianna likely wouldn't have snapped out of it and turned out like Mattias. So there you have it; the reason why you should always take the "The Hero Is The Villain" theory with a grain of salt. Chances are, whoever came up with that theory is an antichrist up to unleash a God of evil on the world. But hey! That's just a theory! A Game Theory! Thanks for reading!

[@Golden12500]

1:51 "Legendary" Ah the limits of a sponsor. I at least hope he's aware of how legendarily... shifty they are

[@MedicEB]

How so?

[@yumickaela3020]

JRPGs are so underrated in today’s generation. I’m so glad it was given a spotlight once more 🙌

[@Jane-ow7sr]

I just started playing it and I absolutely love it. It's a style I've never seen before

[@freddysimon7617]

MatPat, this probably won't be noticed but if it is can you do a theory on the best color in Magic: The Gathering? Mono colored or duel colors vs chromatic deck would be something I would love to see. @The Game Theorists

[@FelineDeskFan13]

2:46 the blonde girl in the red dress represents FNaF theories. Always by his side no matter what

[@sugarflxffs1356]

Funny how MatPat intros have more dedicated art and animation than the actual game they’re theorizing about

[@benito23453]

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[@Lord_Aphid6280]

Btw matpat you should play and make a theory on the game series The Room, it's super fun and SUPER mysterious , just right for you!

[@kuroanimates]

I still think you would like looking into "Game for Anna" / "Darkness under my bed".

[@Danihacs]

*_I've been playing Octopath ever since it's release; and I've had so much fun so far, giving me old RPG vibes... Thanks for reviewing this game MatPat!_*

[@JimiArchive]

can we just appreciate how highly edited each video is

[@MbitaChizi]

Ok dont read my name 😑 😒 ...

[@arct1c980]

Uhh

[@user-fx4ob2zh3p]

*OH JUST GIVE ME RECENT HATE ALREADY!!* *MY WORLD RECORD IS TO BECOME THE MOST HATED KZbinR IN HISTORY!!* 🎥🤬

[@3kz]

lol

[@flameproductions8360]

I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR A GAME THEORY ON OCTOPATH TRAVELER IN GENERAL THIS IS AMAZING

[@thenamesnameless704]

Jetpack joy ride. There has to be some lore there

[@dungeonscrew491]

I also grew up playing JRPGs, and I'm so happy you made a video about this, thank you, I've always been wanting to see these on JRPGs, I'd love to know your favorite games of the genre

[@contra8019]

I mean the game literally states that the rings give you power but what you do with that power is up to you. They don't inherently corrupt. So the basis of your theory doesn't really work.

[@mr.romaro3422]

I think it's also worth mentioning how Octopath's successor game "Triangle Strategy" refered to Aelfric as a devastating weapon that could be crafted Apparently at it's full extent, it could grant someone god-like power

[@Dumb_GachaZ]

The first minute was my favorite of the entire video Lol

[@Blaze4ification]

... our ring looks bigger more powerful and reminds me of... something... "One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them"... not to mention 3 warring factions, seeking power to put them on level or at better odds than the other. Rings that granted wealth, power, and longevity given to each ruler among the 3 factions, given to the leaders, of which... would they not be the most famous of their species? So yeah I'd buy your theory, Octopath Traveler we're basically Sauron from the Hobbit and LOTR books/movies. Edit:... I made this 1/2 way through the video, that the ring is pushing you along controlling your will... yep this is basically Lord of the Rings/Hobbit.

[@kingwolf3044]

2:40 did matpat just admit to being a jrpg bad guy?

[@voiddragon8233]

Game theory idea: The kids in grounded get mutations from the SPAC.R, and more specifically raw science. You have probably heard of the game grounded, where you are a bunch of teens shrunk down in a guys backyard from his new crazy machine called the SPAC.R. The game is going to have its full release on september 27th this year, and its just dying to have a theory done on it. Especially since when the game releases it will either prove or disprove the theory most likely. But in the game there is a weird feature called mutations. Basically the more you do something in grounded, the more you get a mutation of that thing. This can go from being able to run quicker, to having your own cells worked out on a molecular level to have more health. But obviously a normal person can't just experience this sort of mutation, the only way an animal can become a *mutant* that quickly is through radiation. But the scientific idea of mutation is also that when it does change quickly through radiation the change is insignificant or damaging. So there has to be something different going on. And the key is raw science. Through the logs and stuff scattered across the yard it is pretty clear the SPAC.R works off of raw science. A strange substance or material that is scattered across the yard. If this is what Tully is using to power the SPAC.R it could have some unintended, or very intended side effects on living beings. Other than just a strange feeling I have of the connection between raw science and editing genetics, we also see it happen in the game, more specifically the haze lab. The story goes that Tully used raw science to change the genetics of mushrooms. This resulted in many mutations, some of which were very helpful for the mushroom. In its final stage the mushroom spread like wildfire and is able to take over the brains of any creature it comes into contact with. I really hope matpat sees this comment because all of the grounded community really wants a theory on this game.

[@reshmirajeshnair470]

Your theory is mind blowing it is amazing. I have a request: if possible can you make a theory on the lore of warframe.

[@emmadictator4062]

Very great theory! And thinking at the rings, they each have desires in the rings. What is the rings desire? My theory about that is the blue ring is control.

[@ked49]

Wealth and fame go together. Same with power and control. So makes sense

[@rishanochannai5103]

@@ked49 The fact that you thought its an real person

[@chillsis1650]

@@rishanochannai5103 You think bots watch the entire video and then comment on the video with theories? what type of bots have you encountered?

[@jaybrosbarber2751]

@@chillsis1650 bots copy comments

[@ked49]

@@rishanochannai5103 the pic didn’t load

[@Epsilon-01]

While watching this, one thing kept ringing in my head, pounding ever harder like a drum, one thing, the Dark Lord's testament: "Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul."

[@smass8586]

The ring must be destroyed

[@iyqwerty]

For every game I'm interested: "This app isn't available on Google Play in your region" I need that ring

[@shadowkillerqueen3012]

This takes “you don wear it, it wears you” to a whole another lvl

[@Mk-ly9re]

I have never heard a more awesome nod to Tolkien and I might check it out

[@thisrandomdude2846]

Fantastic video! Not only was it extremely interesting and entertaining, I got to know about the game through it! So, thanks a lot.

[@JusticeSoulTuna]

Fascinating. Very cool to see a fantasy story like this that uses the convention of 'magic wish-bringing device that's corrupted'; it's in some of my favourite games.

[@E.S.A.M]

I have already downloaded it even before I watch this video I never imagined you will make a theory about it .