A Motion Capture Suit For Game Dev? - Smart Suit Pro 2: First Impressions

[@brettabraham]

This is genuinely so cool. I'm happy its as expensive as it is tho because I need a reason to not immediately go out and buy it

[@AntonioNoack]

😅 I'd prefer it to be buyable. Like 500$ maybe.

[@FPChris]

5 GHz router is a MUST. Period. The gloves especially.5:06

[@EnriquePage91]

Thank you so much dude! Last time I saw one of these it was running for around 7k and didn’t even include gloves (hint, CodeMiko uses this suit). I had been looking for years for an “affordable” solution. While this is still requiring me to sell my family, at least I don’t have to sell my pets and Computer too. Legit, now I am actually gonna save up for this bundle. Can’t wait😵

[@MegaMiley]

That’s the XSens suit that CodeMiko uses, different company with a better but way more expensive product (has about a 3K annual subscription cost to it as well)

[@EnriquePage91]

@@MegaMiley yeah I know it isn’t the same brand maybe I wasn’t too easy to understand haha but yes. I know it’s a different company. Prices for this Rokoko suit are crazy in comparison

[@MegaMiley]

@@EnriquePage91 yup, but unfortunately the quality scales with the price as well :/ (Rokoko was quite bad when I tried it, ended up returning the suit)

[@EnriquePage91]

@@MegaMiley :/ very valuable advice ty!

[@littlealphapup]

I’ve actually wondered, since part of my content creation process sometimes involves streaming in VR Chat, if this suit would be compatible with full-body tracking in VR Chat

[@billbob7695]

Can you show walking and running cycle? That is a real motion capture test.

[@Zyumane]

Interesting addition to custom made your animations inside the programs or engines that you need a specific set of movements, I’ll consider it in a future projects and other stuff, still green for me for the time being, but better form others. Good gadget, and keep the good spirits. 😀

[@MrOrdinary-mu4zh]

Thanks for the review! I will say that while you said that most captures required no clean up, from all the footage that was shown, to me as an animator, they all looked like they required clean up. The were sliding of the feet, slight jitters etc. but maybe it would still be beneficial. Would you say it's better than an Xsens suit in terms of overall features/functionality/cost?

[@atlanteum]

It's incredible to me that no one producing mocap hardware has YET adopted the "ink-jet printer" business model: Get as many suits out there as affordably as possible and then get the users hooked on a subscription for data interpretation and clean-up - the same way Epson built a huge market with affordable printers, then made a fortune selling replacement ink cartridges. I know many are not fond of subscription services, but for some folks, a $4 - 14 thousand dollar entry point [depending on make and model] is insurmountable - whereas that same cost becomes manageable over a much longer period of time. And while I'm definitely no engineer, I would be genuinely surprised to learn that any of these inertial suits involve much more than $200 worth of hardware and a $25 track suit. I grant you that these companies should make a profit for their R&D and providing the service - NO argument there - but it seems the value [and therefore profit] is really in the software. Would love to know if this is not the case, because right now, it feels like having to pay $12,000 for a flat-screen tv because "Well, we had to develop them, y'know..." From what I've seen, it looks like Move A.I. is going kill 90% of the suits anyway [if not more], so... just be patient, I guess.

[@billalorra890]

Move ai does not have a profitable subscription. You can only use 30 minutes per month, this is nonsense.

[@billbob7695]

xsens does this

[@WallDigital_]

What's a walk cycle like in the v2 of the suit? I know v1 had problems

[@RandomNoise]

I have rokoko suit v2, and walk cycle is still imposible to make

[@ChristopherFranko]

@@RandomNoise could you just use a treadmil?

[@RandomNoise]

@@ChristopherFranko well sometimes I am using it, but only when I need a loop walk cycle.

[@nebula480]

I have the first one and am considering getting the second one. My problem with my current one is that when I try to do a SIMPLE WALK, the feet slide all over the place, forcing me to spend more time in clean up in Blender, and Iclone and such. Can you tell me more or illustrate how it reacts to the walking cycle?

[@Don_Gately]

There is a free rig for motion capture, made by Royal Skies, specifically for blender that is absolutely awesome. Makes clean up so much faster. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2qTh2dqrKhgqJY

[@chillsoft]

Want to know this myself!

[@nebula480]

@@chillsoft i’ve had the new suit for at least three weeks and I can say there’s definitely improvement and even though it’s not perfect the feet are no longer sliding all over the place as before and within Rokoko studio, It’s also easier to clean up the feet leaving the floor. For now I’m pretty happy with it and also, for once I can sit down on a chair and the character actually stays sitting down properly.

[@brandonojalvo9775]

Try importing your model into cascadeur to clean up the feet. It'll apply physics to those key frames that you want to modify.

[@FPChris]

My issue with my v1 suit is I cannot make a legit STRAIGHT arm TPose. I am trying to make archery mocaps. My arms are always bent and sag WELL below my shoulders. Has the V2 fixed this ?

[@MegaMiley]

I used to have a SSP2 and returned it.. It was quite bad honestly and I don't want to give them a second shot. Instead I'm working on my own optical mocap system right now (as commercial optical mocap systems start at $10K which is way outside of my budget). The suit is EXTRTEMELY sensitive to metal and magnetic interference, it was "normal" for me to get 30-50cm of offset within 30 seconds of movement.. Buyer Beware for sure

[@kuichib]

Hi, did you ever find an alternative that was still affordable?

[@MegaMiley]

@@kuichib nope, still working on making my own system but put that on hold because of different priorities

[@billalorra890]

@@MegaMiley Hi, did you ever find an alternative that was still affordable?

[@MegaMiley]

@@billalorra890 Unfortunately not, also haven't really looked into the space itself for a long time but I do still have plans to make my own optical mocap setup with the use of a bunch of Jetson Nano's I bought last year (just super low on my priority list as my current game doesn't need fancy animations at all and I've got no other project that really needs mocap in it)

[@Tech-is1xy]

How would I know if the channel my router runs on is compatible with the suit? I'm using an ee router btw.

[@stonefreak5763]

ok, nice Video, Suit and Stuff but.... What exactly is the problem (except for Price & APIs and so on) for using a Suit like this as a tracker for VR Games? wouldn't this make incredible sense for something like SWAT-Training are some other large thing (that is not you playing Beatsaber in the Livingroom)?

[@AntonioNoack]

I think price is the greatest issue overall. If the price was ok, individuals could buy it, and game devs would integrate it into VR games. Motion tracking is currently only affordable for professionals.

[@GameDevGuide]

I'm pretty sure it can be used for some Steam VR stuff. They have plugins for it as far as I'm aware!

[@TheEtbetween]

Wow! Excellent

[@supremebeme]

How many mah battery do we need to power suit + both gloves?

[@supremebeme]

also is it 3 usb plugs required, 1 + 2 gloves right?

[@Chris-qk8uz]

Appreciate the video, but... in the future could you show how it looks if you lay down, sit with your legs crossed, jump, walk up stairs, run, etc? Every review of Rokoko suit is sadly the same, someone standing in their small bedroom just moving their arms. Cannot see if there is foot sliding, feet falling through the floor, drift over time, etc.

[@chillsoft]

YES! This!!

[@RandomNoise]

the reason for this is in the fact that rokoko suit can only produce standing pose with little arm movements

[@HeyItzScotch]

does this need a wireless internet? or is ethernet okay

[@azgan123]

Am I being skeptical but these animations look kinda crap compared to mixamo or some of the premium animation assets? Fine I can capture some animation but it looks like I'd need to spend entire day fixing all the jittery keyframes?

[@GameDevGuide]

Yeah, there's absolutely cleanup work involved and you're going to get that with any kind of MoCap. It really depends on your use case and the kind of animation you need. I didn't do much clean-up, as these were mostly just initial tests, and totally down to the user what they'd like to do with them.

[@azgan123]

@@GameDevGuide Sell me this suit when machine learning can solve cleanup for me

[@kuichib]

I'm using an Xsens at work. I haven't had to cleanup the body for jitteriness, it's mostly on the contact side that needs some work because it's an inertial system it doesn't have accurate reference of where things are in relation to one another. But I suspsect that even with an optical system, you'll still have some penetration issues. But there you're paying a premium for that suit - not really doable for indies unless you get a sponsorship from them.

[@WallDigital_]

@@kuichib Would you recommend investing more money into Xsens than going for rokoko?

[@billalorra890]

@@kuichib How much did you buy the xsense suit for?

[@derkoi]

Looks like another Perception Neuron copy. I bought my suit years a go for a fraction of the cost.

[@harshmudhar96]

Yeah but what about motion capture suits for my pets???

[@GameDevGuide]

Email Rokoko maybe they'll make one? 😂

[@MinecraftGamerLR]

$2745, huh? I guess that's one way of describing it as "semi-affordable".

[@lominero5]

Please do zombies. The ones available aren't that good.

[@gower1973]

Updating firmware wireless over a network, is just a no no, it’s just asking to get bricked, it needs a physical USB port for stuff like that

[@GameDevGuide]

It does have USB for firmware updates and debugging, the wireless is for communication during performance capture.

[@markgabbidon5859]

The suit sucks and cant be used on any production project. The locomotion on the suit is horrible. I was not able to get a single good capture. We returned the suits to rokoko.

[@billalorra890]

Hi, did you ever find an alternative that was still affordable?

[@markgabbidon5859]

@@billalorra890 we upgraded to the NANSENSE suit which is way way better than Rokoko. I would never go back to Rokoko. Unfortunately the NANSENSE suit was 3x the cost with the gloves but there is not subscriptions just the one time cost

[@billalorra890]

@@markgabbidon5859 I hope prices will be reduced soon, I think for now use move ai.

[@billalorra890]

@@markgabbidon5859 Nansense is better than xsense?

[@billalorra890]

@@markgabbidon5859 There is very little information about nansense on the Internet.(

[@vanyakapetanovic4018]

Its cheaper to actually hire an animator then mess with their problematic suits. They make it looks so easy and it seems real consumer experience is nothing short if a nightmare.