I wasted $4000 on a Rokoko Mocap Suit

[@Moons_mooniverse]

I started a KZbin Show made with Rokoko: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIeuaaCvpNWtb5o

[@alphadraconian1114]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6q0ea2Fnqpposk -example video ,you also dont need foot contact unlike with rokoko!

[@WOCITY]

Great idea! Wishing you best of luck!

[@RobinKosnas]

The whole time I was distracted by the fact that the lil' guy's sunglasses were sitting on his forehead instead of his nose.

[@wilismatrix9847]

🤣 true, so disturbing I just minimized the window and listen to audio.

[@jayagusto9409]

"Being in a mocap suit is the best thing that has ever happened to me." Well... I am sorry my friend.

[@marccamp6376]

Damn, SAVAGE! :D

[@jancarsonweatherby1579]

Oh my god! So FUNNY. Thank you for giving us these details about Rokoko! You saved my life!

[@virtual_intel]

In Unreal Engine simply deactivate the Physics for your MetaHuman characters hair via the Hair Groom element. It will kill the janky hair issues trust me I had the same issue.

[@thronosstudios]

So does the hair move at all after deactivating physics? That kind of defeats the purpose of purposefully wanting hair to move... unless I'm missing something.

[@rehmanarshad1848]

@@thronosstudios it does, but 1. enabling physics is a computational taxing operation and 2. miscalculation's triggered due to performance drops can cause glitchy janky hair animations.

[@thronosstudios]

@@rehmanarshad1848 Hey if deactivating it makes the hair movement more natural, I'm all for it! Thanks for confirming

[@Janovich]

Sold my suit. It has been a really expensive nightmare glad I got rid of it.

[@hyperface2050]

BUT....you decided to keep it, even when you knew about their 30 day warranty. And you claim it is 'awesome.' So thanks for your review. But wow...click bait title beware.

[@Moons_mooniverse]

Yes, I like it. Motion Capture is very fun and Rokoko made it accessible for me. But I can’t use it for what I originally bought it.

[@WendyDaCanuck]

He mentioned that the 30 day return period had expired by the time he knew it wouldn’t work for him.

[@patrickfoxchild2608]

Yeah, fuck this vid. Downvote.

[@jonos138]

Yes, by the time they got back to him with replies to his problems, 30 days was up. Wonder if they do this on purpose?

[@revenger681]

Finally a realistic video. Not everything is "perfect" like with every other video youtube that I've seen. Everyone has been like "this is magic! **speaking with whisper: With some cleanup**. Not a single video showing actual cleanup and a screwed up mocap. The only cleanup I saw was someone with a slight leaning hip (laugh). The "turn off everything in your home" and "clear out all metal devices" is completely unrealistic. Not to mention no other device requires this. That seems to be a suite-only issue.

[@videosallnight]

It's really amazing how Reallusion makes it look like you will spend $300 for iClone/Character Creator. By the time you get done with 3DXChange, Motion Live, the Facial Profile, the Rokoko Profile, Smartsuit Pro II, iPhone, and everything else you need, you'll be lucky to get away with under $7,000. And that doesn't even include a high end computer. And you will soon find that you'll need two Rokoko suits to facilitate character interaction, which is very tricky with one.

[@westingtyler1]

yeah I spent about 450 on character creator 3 and iclone as a deal then qucikly realized I needed a LOT more stuff to get everything fully functional. now I make low poly character models in Blender from Stable Diffusion character images run through PiFuHD and retopologized with quad remesher and softwrap.

[@AVISIONMUSICTV]

You don't need 3d exchange

I've been using mine for over 4 months now, 12 characters on a TV series for kids, 2 chapters recorded every day. This technology is awesome. Yes. It takes cleanup, and work. But once you understand the system and work your pipeline, is amazing. Cheers from Colombia.

[@skullface215]

Do you do cleanup by just extracting the key poses and hand animating the in-between poses? I haven't seen any good tutorials on the best way to clean up rokoko mocap data

[@RokokoMotion]

@@skullface215 Hi Dinky! We have a bunch of tutorials on our channel about clean up in Maya, C4D, and Blender - hope that helps!

[@ArinzeAsiegbunam]

Looking to acquire a rokoko. Please can you share the series name or a video channel link to the series . thanks

[@FB87291]

If you're really recording all that I would go one level up from Rokoko, Xsens or other will save you enormous amounts of time.

[@RealformStudioXR]

Como podemos conectar, quisiera me platicaras un poco mas de Rokoko desde tu punto de vista

[@cryptostar1427]

Man, as we say the pleasure is in the journey and not necessarily the destination ! For me, you are a star. Helped me so much in my research through your detailed show

[@thronosstudios]

As SOME say. For others the pleasure is the destination, and the journey is just an obstacle to that end. Different strokes for different folks.

[@FPChris]

You left off the part after paying all that they STILL expect you to subscribe to a minimum $20/month plan just to be able access the options for exporting FBX format.

[@organicsludgeqt7037]

Why wouldn’t the hands mess up when touching the head? You’re expecting real-time physics w/mocap right out of the box. Not a fan of the upselling on their part but I think you were a bit harsh. These products are for professionals and you’re treating it like a toy. This feels like someone new to 3D upset that they can’t just materialize their imagination immediately.

[@adelepierre8504]

Good comment. I agree

[@ukmonk]

Had my Rokoko suit now for over a year and its awesome! People have to do their homework, YES you will need to do some clean up work, but it gets you 85% of the way there, and YES you will have to have a good understanding of the software you are using. Some people think it will just work like magic out of the box, there is work needed to be done but the Rokoko suit can save you hours and even days of work. I can mo cap a scene in around 30 mins then a couple hours clean up work which would have taken a couple of weeks or more animating by hand. Would i recommend the Rokoko smart suit pro, 100% YES!

[@CekTopGaZa1988]

Did you buy any additional equipment?

[@CekTopGaZa1988]

Thanks! Would i be able to do animations if I live in one room appartement or i must go outside due to magnetic interference?

[@ukmonk]

@@CekTopGaZa1988 No problems. depends. i just do most of mine in my small office (lots of computer stuff/games consoles etc) and its fine :) like i said it doesnt work 100% perfect out of the box and youll have to do some tweaking in whatever DCC you use, but it saves a LOT of time and gets you 85 maybe 90% of the way there :) if you are gonna buy the suit, i would get V2 as meant to be a lot better. hope this helps!

[@FPChris]

ALL mojo requires clean up

[@FB87291]

Well... Xsens and others do work like magic just out of the box

[@kru3d36]

Thanks so much for this! Just got my suit up and running yesterday and have been thoroughly disappointed. And perplexed because I did a crap ton of research on this. Built a custom rig. Tested with their sample mocap files and have had zero usable recordings so far. Much help and appreciated.

[@Moons_mooniverse]

Hey Keith, I’m so sorry for you!! Yes, I know this feeling. Over time I learned that great Mocap suits cost much more than the Rokoko and still need to be cleaned up. But I have one tip for you. Get the app metal detector and check your whole recording space including floor, walls and ceiling. It should be max around 40-50 but should not vary more than 2-4 in your shooting area. If you have more fluctuation, try to find another shooting area. For me the only solution is going outside into a park since my whole apartment seems to be full of metal parts. It’s mainly build in my floor. It’s not so convenient to go outside, but it helped a lot

[@kru3d36]

@@Moons_mooniverse Thx! Helpful again, appreciate it. Things are looking ok with the metal detector so it seems. One more try tomorrow: different router. If no avail, most likely returning. And going with XSens. Noticed you spent much more additional monies trying to get Rokoko reliable, any reason you've not gone with XSens Awinda Starter?

[@Moons_mooniverse]

Awinda Starter was not available for that price as it is now back when I got the Rokoko. Also I haven’t seen detailed and raw reviews about that. I suppose it’s better, but I still don’t know.

[@kru3d36]

@@Moons_mooniverse understandable. Spoke with XSens rep today. Moving forward with Rokoko return and going with the XSens Awinda Starter. Will be a few weeks before it’s up and running for me. I’ll keep you posted on the results.

[@ironknightzero]

@@kru3d36 What about perception neuron? I heard their suit is better than rokoko. Not as good as xsens but at least perception neuron doesn't have an annual license fee

[@KO28JOJO]

Thanks for your honest review! It seems that Rokoko has an issue with locomotion. However, Mocap clean up is another task that you have to take no matter which suit you are using. body parts intersection cant be recognized in any 3d package. iclone never ending addons is a joke! It might sound easy workflow for beginners at the beginning, but it wont take you long to realize that all the addons that they are charging you for are actually "FREE" in most of the other 3d packages! In fact, you can get away using Daz for base mesh character and re-rig it in another package, again for "FREE". Sorry for going on and on about iclone. But I wasted some money that I should not waste!

[@unitednorthpole]

Exactly, the pipeline: Daz + Metapipe + Maya + Metahuman + Unreal engine wll cost only 180$. About mocap, i think that video to mocap looks finallyt the less and the best appraoch for simple animations. With AI, the progress are so fast...

[@borogg4068]

Oh man, thank you so much for this much needed video. Like, I'm pretty sure it's still fun as hell to experiment with all this. But if you're an indie game developer, you can't just lower your expectations: you'll have to butcher the quality of your game and add another year to the development deadline. Which is not fun at all.

[@LFA_GM]

This is the coolest and most informative product review ever! Thank you for sharing.

[@Rehd66]

This video has proven to me that, as soon as we can do realtime motion capture and face capture, I can accept anything as real because I noticed around 10 minutes into this video that I forgot I was listening to a baby in a leather jacket and aviator glasses VR will eventually be glorious

[@MrHocotateFreight]

.....that sounds like a far bigger problem on your end for forgetting babies don't talk. Does that happen regularly? Are you breathing enough?

[@p00pie]

lmfao

[@coilt]

That's exactly why I clicked out of this. This fucking baby is creepy as fuck, sorry but that's a nope

[@Chris53632]

I sat here for 3 mins to see what the animation looked like before I realized

[@aaronwolk998]

I spent the hole time watching this cringing at the aviators, they too many levels of less convincing than everything else. Still better than Look Who's Talking.

[@evesattler1570]

The trick is to only use the treadmill filter for recording, it gives you amazingly clean data. It's just that the locomotion filter is estimating your location on your foot position in the software, which creates rather unrealistic motion in the current Rokoko studio version, but if you just take the untouched treadmill data and clean up the feet and key the hip position yourself, the suit is pretty amazing I must say

[@yodojo3493]

hello fellow Sattler lol

[@ukmonk]

Yeah also i think a lot of the issues are gonna be fixed in V2 of the suit!

[@FB87291]

Treadmill data is not clean in the slightest, maybe for simple movements

[@evesattler1570]

@@FB87291 In fact it is cleaner, because there is no processing involved. That does not mean that it is easier to use out of the box, I just meant that it is not getting watered down by any filters, so you can work really well with it in MotionBuilder

[@Tybost]

This is one of the most important videos on this product and I wish you'd get your hands on the Smartsuit Pro II for another smackdown.

[@error-user-not-found]

I use perception neuron studio, around $8000, and I'm very happy with it. It can record dances as well.

[@unitednorthpole]

The pipeline: Daz + Metapipe + Maya 2023 + Metahuman + Unreal engine UE5.4 wll cost only 180$. About mocap, i think that video to mocap looks finally now the less expensive and the best approach for simple animations. Rocooco (2 cameras) is 240$ per year. With AI, the progress are so fast...NVidia also works about solutions for video to mocap.

[@ARMORHOUS3weplay]

So I joined a motion capture group in Houston, TX. We have full access to a motion capture studio. Dancing, fighting, flying, stairs, and falling. It's literally free. I pay monthly dues around $50 only when I need access. I'm sure LA, a hot bed for film and CG artists should have something similar. Great video and wish you well on your MOCAP journey.

[@Lookwhatyoudonemademedo]

Hmm There's groups out there that i could join, i will have to search around my city and see if any exist in my neck of the woods

[@rw7717]

What’s the groups name?

[@BlueSpawn]

How do you waste money on something and then say that you “love it” in the video? I do appreciate this non sponsored review though.

[@SINfromPL]

You're son of elon musk or jeff bezos

[@MagicPuncherGames]

Same here. Got a Rokoko Smart Suit Pro 2 with the gloves, $3000+. Have gotten ZERO value from it. Every time I try and use it it's another issue. Money absolutely wasted. I assumed it was user error at first but now I know it's just not a good product. Wish I could get my money back

[@JordiTheViking]

If you have issues with magnetic interference try turning off 5G on your router and use only the 2.4 or whatever mode. This made all sensors on my suit go from yellow to green. Pretty weird stuff.

[@WOCITY]

Great review Moon, we definitely need more real life information about mocap products on the market. I cant figure out the best indie option so far.

[@Moons_mooniverse]

Checkout Manus Polygon. You need 6 vive Tracker, but the software is free if you stream to Unreal. Will do a video soon

[@AshT8524]

I did a mocap cleanup job from Rokoko suit and man! I personally will never buy it till they can absolutely get that sliding and positional tracking thing figured out.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

I think the future is Rokoko Mocap Suit -like solution combined with cameras. I don't think you would actually need physical sensors as long as the suit has clear markings that cameras are able to focus clearly enough. Of course, doing that real-time requires quite a lot processing power to combine multiple camera feeds with the suit measurements.

[@adelepierre8504]

There is no future for rokoko

[@OzarksVHS]

Kind of interesting they've announced both a price hike and a price drop in the last nine months. Oh yeah, supposedly now they're selling their "Coil Pro" unit for $2K that will supposedly let you use the suit as advertised. Yeah, an ADDITIONAL $2,000 for a piece of hardware that makes the hardware you already own work as ADVERTISED. It really burns me that in all their advertising they have people holding objects like weapons, etc. and there is not enough precision to keep hands from intersecting!

[@OrionPaxOP]

The title of the video contradicts how you feel bro . The video says that you wasted your money but in the end somehow you still love your rokoko suit ? I am unable to connect the dots just like Rokoko suit failed to connect to the ground. Thanks for informing us btw .

[@Godmil]

Oh thank gawd, its not just us then. When we try to record any motions that involve feet shuffling or small steps, the character rarely moves the way we want. Have to do so many takes.

[@oil_molecule]

I know how you feel. Can’t wait till your iClone CC3 video. I fell into the same trap with them

[@KaitoKaze]

you need to research anything you buy, also this kinda thing require you to master software, it's not like instant app on your phone, your expectation is to high, for live streaming you might be good to go with perception neuron, rokoko known to have drifting issue, but the new suite have improvement on that, and you can even go up the stair now

[@npatch]

Smartsuit 2 just came out and it seems they've fixed the floor stuff, or at least the elevation (e.g. stairs etc)

[@YTRINX]

yeah kinda sad it seems he bought it right before they released version 2

[@axeb5016]

Your video is interesting, However you forget to mentioned something which make the different for real. EVERY mocap suit or Tech won't give you a perfect motion Data, that why animators exist. You can work on a AAA Games Studio or a VFX Industry it will be the same. Animators will retarget and clean the Mocap based on the reference and on the animation principals. I'm not using Rokoko, but definitely this suit is LESS expensive that studio are using. Overall your video is nice and well produced ;)

[@emeraldviolet2001]

I was confused as to how someone would actually buy a Rokoko suit without understanding this. He seems to think Mocap transfers perfectly to the target without any extra work needed.

[@3Daver]

Yes - yes we're laughing. But the marketing of these suits have suckered so many people into thinking they're good. I've used every single inertial suit on the market and they're ALL crap.

[@adelepierre8504]

Tried Xsens? Outstanding quality. I am happy with mine.

[@KKano_Frost]

@@adelepierre8504 how much

[@LaurynasSFM]

@@adelepierre8504 Xsens is expensive + gotta pay to use software. It is not indie friendly.

[@adelepierre8504]

@@LaurynasSFM yes, 250€ each month but you get what you pay for

[@mg-se5ws]

does it taakes as long to set up and clean up? would you animate faster mixing mixamo mocap animations than cleaning up the entire animation from rococo . .im new in this so im not sure .im planning to do 5 minutes long videos .. so not sure if whats faster to produce mocap cleaning animate with mixamo or just getting the vive motion sensors and just clean up the animation .

[@wilismatrix9847]

Lesson to retain from this experience is :" Never buy a product that is marketed massively with ads everywhere" generally a company that makes a quality product doesn't need to market it because its quality will speak itself. Best example is cars, do you see ads everywhere about Porsche, Rolls Royce, Bentley ..etc ? No, of course because everyone knows that whatever car of theirs you will buy will be a dope.

[@leejungsuk7411]

I bought it too, but I don't use it now. For the same reason.

[@engmadel]

am now in this shits , i ordered it ine last augst 2021, to much late for covid shipment problem , arrived at jan 2022, untill now i cannot use it , 4 monthes i try and test and emails go and emails come , am dooo mad

[@anastasiiaternova1474]

Thanks, it's very interesting ! Perception Neuron V2 was better than Rokoko, but more tricky to get worked correctly, but it costed 1500 EUR and had less glitches 😭 I still love it. Have you tried the AI motion capture ? Vive mocap !!✌

[@JoJo-xv8vj]

It's super hot and uncomfortable. Don't trust people who are paid to recommend this.Let me clarify that the author has not been sponsored.

[@georgetazberik6834]

At 8:30 you're talking about how the suit really struggles with position and locomotion but since you published this video the Smartsuit Pro II came out which claims to do much better in these categories. Any opinions?

[@FB87291]

It doesn't I'm afraid

[@normallife4433]

I had an original Smartsuit, and it didn't work well. I then got a Smartsuit II, and it doesn't improve anything in this regard. As far as I can tell, the only real improvements are on super extreme movements, but it still drifts just as badly over time.

[@MiDaY_i]

This made me feel so bad for you bro OMG, i've never had access to that amount off money before but i can't imagine how devastated i would be if invested that much money and can't get my money's worth

[@ZeroNineFilms]

I can't wait to get into mocap but I'm using vive trackers maybe upgrade to a suit in the future

[@ThreeTreeDog]

The AA on those shades is killing me lol

[@GrimGearheart]

So....this "Affordable" mocap will still require a bank loan to buy.

[@ApolloOfTheSun7]

4000? damn... I paid half that and my experience is pretty good, but then again, I don't use it for streaming live, I use it for motion data and also I'm an animator so Rokoko was perfect for me.

[@Moons_mooniverse]

The suit was 2500 + 1500 for the gloves + 600 for face = 4600. Plus they told me I should try the virtual production add on (+ vive tracker) and another wifi I router (+ 1500) = 6100 that I spend. I can imagine if you are an animator that it works great for you. Now that I have a year experience my results are getting better as well. But it’s still hard for me to find a clean area to record.

[@ApolloOfTheSun7]

@@Moons_mooniverse Yeh, I see your point here. I only bought the suit because I can just animate everything else. Glad to hear you're getting better! Great video though, it was informative. :)

[@GrandPawGames]

you would rather animate the hands yourself? or was it just not in your budget?

[@woolenwoods665]

5:57 it seems every rokoko user has a dancer/yoga girlfriend lol

[@d42]

the mouth movements are unbearable to watch ...

[@KKano_Frost]

Yea animaze i pone facial tracking is way better. That’s crazy

[@TronikXR]

Its universally known that Rokoko is trash these days. Theyll be out of business in the next year or 2.

[@konzeptzwei]

Please update this Video once the CoilPro comes out.

[@Sidian98]

According to Rokoko's website, sensors show up as yellow when there's more than 4 milligauss.... According to the magnetometer app, my apartment has around 300-500mG so f me, lol

[@SINfromPL]

Looking at the location of their hq in Denmark and usa, there is no way it even works for them. It's essentially a scam company. They even removed help section for magnetic interference, the number one problem

[@SeratoninAI]

No offense to anyone who has Rokoko but Rokoko is trash. You can get an xSens Awinda Starter Kit for the same price as a Rokoko suit. Then you would have to pay around 200-250 dollars per month for the xSens software depending on which software you are renting. The Rokoko advertisements are bullshit and this video basically sums it up.

[@EveBatStudios]

This was a really useful video thank you! I'm wondering how you feel about how perception neuron stacks up next to Rokoko

[@SianaGearz]

How does CodeMiko do it? OK she is a wizard, she has probably programmed all her own filtering and drivers in Unreal. OH WAIT she's not on Rokoko, she's on Xsens.

[@westingtyler1]

this is a great video on both aspects - being informative, and being cool content. makes me think I should do vtuber stuff when I get a suit. if this was for the smartsuit V1, it would be cool to see a V2 review.

[@OzarksVHS]

They also don't tell you that to stream AT ALL you need to pay them Adobe $ - that's right, $29.99 per month or you're capturing little 10 minute segments to later import somewhere else. Retargeting is awful.

[@dahnsenwahnsenyes]

fun fact: a solution for body, face and finger Capture will be available for everyone in maybe 2 years. I guess it will come from Valve

[@derpherp7432]

aged like milk

[@raymondwood5496]

I really hope there are video comparing all the possible mocap option, brekel body, ipisoft, rokoko smart suit...

[@ak5258]

If you are not in the industry making stacks this is an absolute waste of money

[@salientfilm]

thank you for this Moon!!

[@CoreGamingProject]

Use Steam VR trackers, and valve Index Controler for the hand. And you can Live Link all the thing in Unreal Engine With a IPhone for the facial animation.. So you also dont need all the Iclone things out of cost anymore... Better, Sheaper and top of that, so much Faster.

[@jagz888]

Can you elaborate what has been replaced from Iclone? I'm genuinely looking for answers :)

[@capsulecaptation589]

you didnt waste your money bro. You made a great job

[@damian8051]

Thanks very much for your video, I was curious because as you say, basically all the content from Rokoko online is from Rokoko themselves. By the way, would I still have to get all the rellusion plugin content even if I dont want to use character creator (or metahuman)?

[@Moons_mooniverse]

No, you don’t have to get the reallusion content. Instead I recommend stream directly from Rokoko Studio to Unreal.

[@damian8051]

@@Moons_mooniverseThats great, thank you again. Its been very helpful

[@roman_joy]

Thanks for amazing video, it helped us to understand all the pains in the mocap pipeline

[@Moons_mooniverse]

Glad to hear that Roman! That was my goal with the video. Mocap is definitely fun and the Rokoko is a great way to get into the world. But you should have the right expectations :)

[@majupiju2347]

great summory! Thanks for sharing your experiances.

[@RealRexRoar]

Can you use a roko live mocap suit AND a virtual camera rig in your scene at the same time?

[@Moons_mooniverse]

Yes, you can. The setup is a little more comprehensive. And it‘s highly recommended that you get a clean area (free of magnetical interference)

[@gamedevinspire]

thanks for the deep explanations , very helpfull video

[@Element4ry]

So they told you to touch the grass, but that's feature isn't supported yet :D

[@geraldballesteros3839]

This was 2 years ago. I need a recent review.

[@watchandproduce]

I also want to thank you for the independent review.

[@nGons]

I think Rokoko suit is way over priced for the result it offers. For this price, i would expect a clean result without having the need for cleaning. Otherwise, I would be paying 4000$ for few gyroscope sensors.

[@khreosgames]

Usually a Mocap Suit is used for Motion Capture. I’m selling mine cause this suit is not good at mocap, it belongs to the trashcan and i will switch to percepiton or xsens. Rokoko can’t be used for precise mocap. All Customer that purchased Smartsuit Pro One were basically betatesters and they even paid big Money for it! They should at least take the crapsuit back and give you a discount on a new one. Shame! Not to mention they don’t Even Update the studio software. Monterey is out since july 2021 and the studio is not yet Updated. This is not a serious company. Stay away.

[@KKano_Frost]

Damn I started Using Animaze and was going to buy motion traction hand technology with UltraLeap what rabbit hole did I go down? Lol

[@yonyon67]

Great review. Now I decided to buy this.

[@FedTalk]

this is the type of video we all want

[@simon1314521]

Thank you for sharing the video mate. Really helpful!

[@Moons_mooniverse]

Glad it was helpful!

[@AleRender]

Idream of buying it... but this makes me think

[@MiguePizar]

So in the end, is there a suit that works plug and play in unreal engine 5 for live streaming and or recording without having to tweak like the face live link?

[@emeraldviolet2001]

Motion capture is principally used for animation in entertainment - games movies etc. This inherently requires retargeting and cleaning up of the capture data by animators. A lot of work needs to be done to turn raw mocap data into finalized performance. How could someone spend $4k on a mocap suit without knowing this?

[@Vlogdelguia]

Reason something told me don't buy it, thanks for the video, I'm not going to buy something and then I'm going through work on it.

[@bicycleninja1685]

I like this character!

[@ElektronikGirlEpic]

Great video. I really hope soon they improve! It makes me impressed with VR Chat full body tracking people are able to do with the vive trackers.

[@sk.mahdeemahbubsamy2857]

Yeah u got money we get it😭

[@faridrv3889]

Thank you so much for the detailed review

[@tbonepartyblimp205]

This is so misleading because you used it for this video.... I still haven't used mine and I've had it for months the sensors aren't even working on the right side of the suit

[@tbonepartyblimp205]

Just be happy you got a performance. 5k and no performance and lost many clients.

[@MrJonathanwolff]

Amazing information Moon. Brilliant and honest appraisal of the issues. I love rokoko too but the idea you can’t capture sitting down mocap if your feet are slightly off the ground (and all the other issues you mention) is not as clear as it should be. There is a free unreal project that uses around 8 vive trackers instead, which I will be trying at some point and combining this with rokoko gloves (as they can be used independently from main system - which is impressive) I also have iclone with all the things you mention - but I am curious to see if I can bypass all the workflow you mention with vive trackers, rokoko gloves and live link face - all streaming real-time into unreal.....I can find a link for the project if it’s useful to you (the person who created it is very generous to release it for free) - and you want to buy a few more trackers (-:

[@Moons_mooniverse]

Hey MrJonathanwolff, glad you liked the video. Also thanks for sharing the info about the free unreal project using the vive trackers. That would be a cheap optical solution

[@MrJonathanwolff]

No worries moon. Here is the wonderful man’s link to his free vive mocap product.....may even do what you wanted to do originally in terms of dancing etc kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWq9mYKbrLyed7M

[@PriestessOfDada]

The cc3 pipeline is ridiculous. And if CC3 wasn't the best god damned character making program there's ever been... the licensing around realillusion products would be enough to scare me out of using it. There are things I don't like about it. Like, the way the built-in DRM is always breaking, or the way the thing crashes all the time, because their developers don't know how to check a float for overflow in C++. But it's the best program of its type by a mile, so I tolerate these things I'm into cc3 and iclone for about $2,000 and I still haven't gotten the mocap bundle. But I have invented entirely new ways to use ai for generating human models, which is fucking kick ass cool. Iclone, at least by itself, which is the way I have it, is mostly useless. This whole business of sneaking props and set pieces in through cc3 is untenable. Half the program is just missing. And I'm not paying for 3d-exchange, because all you get with 3d-exchange is stuff that should've been in Iclone and cc3 to begin with. They are getting rid of it in the next generation, which is the big reason why I put the money in for iclone. When iclone 8 and cc4 come out, I am going to be all over it. Just gotta bide my time and wait until July/august. The way I'm handling my animation right now, is gathering information with vseeface, and just pushing it into a unity app to do the character and the environment. Also, some positive results messing around with Kinect and 3tene Pro, but the tool isn't geared towards the kind of animation I want to do, and I hit a wall with it. Great for silly dance videos though. I'm trying some new software tomorrow that'll translate live face and hand data into fbx files. I don't remember what it's called. But, if preliminary testing is successful, it might be enough to move my production to entirely to Blender, which would simplify most everything I want to do. We'll see, I'm skeptical of apps with webcam based hand tracking. They're usually junk, but anything is possible Thanks for the advice on the Rokoko suit. I'm not quite ready to take the dive yet, but I'm close

[@Heroickittens]

You should have just gone with daz studio and blender instead of dropping 2 grand for the iclone stuff.

[@enigmawstudios4130]

Wish I had known that before buying into their pipeline (Reallusion). It's a wasteful money pit

[@supremebeme]

Did you do a follow up to this?

[@ambocc]

Excellent video!

[@SanyaBane]

Thank you. I was close to buy it. Good thing I've did some investigation before doing it.

[@Pneumanon]

So in the end, what was the total cost of getting to a working result? Around US$6000-$7000 or so?

[@stonepawmusic8408]

its really terrible, but for the price the only option. Be prepared to do a TON of cleanup for anything near acceptable

[@albertsitoe7340]

Man almost spent 10k experimenting. 😂 I would of cut my losses at 6k 😅

[@jongo8535]

Then what you recommended for a low-budget beginner?

[@Moons_mooniverse]

I still recommend the Rokoko for low-budget. They made it possible to get affordable Mocap and that’s great! I’m still working on getting better results. For example last week I took the suit, my laptop a WiFi Router + Battery and went out recording in a park. Results were much better than at home. Will soon record a video about that. So it really depends a lot on your environment. And you should have the right expectations ;) I think with that you will still have a lot fun with it.

[@jongo8535]

@@Moons_mooniverse Cool, thanks for the prompt reply. Yes, look forward to the park video.

[@SINfromPL]

You get what you pay for. Rokoko is not even cheap and it's utter shit.

[@enrix00]

htc vive tracker is the better way

[@jamescroak6722]

There's still PN3 which offers a lot of features and is similar priced.

[@JWPanimation]

As long as you are outside in the woods with dedicated router....

[@CekTopGaZa1988]

Is SmartPro II much better?Or still not even close to Xsens?

[@SINfromPL]

It's complete shit, and there is no way this even works in their offices given the location as seen on Google Earth.

[@justshady]

@@SINfromPL Source?

[@CekTopGaZa1988]

@@SINfromPL well...lots of people use this suit...If it was so horrible, there would be mostly negative reviews..And they have 30 days guarantee money back...People are not that stupid to not get their money back after testing it for 30 days, aren't they?

[@SINfromPL]

@@CekTopGaZa1988 the video uploader still had issues after 30 days, but he decided to keep it. Clearly more money than mind. My suit was completly obsolete no matter the location. Let's see how the refund process goes.

[@CekTopGaZa1988]

@@SINfromPL But how could you buy Smartpro 2 if they only start sell it from January 2022?