The Godot Community Firestorm

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[@oo--7714]

The meltdown tells you everything you need to know, the godot devs aren't serious. Instead of just being quiet they said all if that. And they had a meltdown over 1 sentence which is insane, there is no way you can really rationalise crying over a one off comment made by a developer who pays money for your service. All of the defensiveness over that was weird. The devs couldn't even bother ignoring it. Very unprofessional.

[@TheChromePoet]

I've been meaning to talk to you about the Bible, when is a good time for you?

[@Drejzer]

I wish that this video was what brought my awareness of this topic... Unfortunately, it would appear that YT had different opinion...

[@yeost187]

Thanks for letting me know to unsub from you. You don't want drama then 2 seconds later "I despise asmongold"? Bye felicia. Edit Im not unsubbing because you don't like asmong. I'm unsubbing because you are sounding like another hypercritical woke loon, like the GodoT cm is..

[@kloa4219]

shouldn't have covered this, a lot of anti-SJW/anti-woke stuff is pushed by bad actors who have no interest in the mediums that they complain about and it is done for profit. Ignore the nontroversy so that the anti-woke people can move on and complain women in Star Wars again.

[@albertoblanco1256]

This is why I'm anti-social on social media. I'm not looking for community, just a tutorial on vectors.

[@erichzannbusoumuzan]

But vectors are homophobic! They can't be anything but straight! Poe's law demands that I write the following - "this is a joke".

[@GianniLeonhart]

Actually based

[@nineret]

WTF is happen literally.... just found this video the suddenly

[@FineWine-v4.0]

& these clown have the nerve to call devs @ss#oles

[@aleksitjvladica.]

Same.

[@kataro100]

I think Godot Main Twitter Accounts should be like Blender. Where it just focus on the Product; ie Updated, Development Progress and Maybe some community showcase. Keep it Professional. But also they did not address about the Godot GitHub block??

[@Zhulanov]

The thing is, this is that it was then I started to follow it. Now for some time it feels like someone is just using it as their personal account

[@letopizdetz]

All the small business I know are like that. Social media exists strictly to promote their products / services, never post 'opinions'. Only 'opinion' a business should have is 'I'd like you to buy this thing I'm offering'.

[@nathanscarlett4772]

​@letopizdetz this is how it should be. Regardless of what lobbyists say, corporations are not people.

[@theguyfromsaturn]

I agree.

[@kuroodo_]

Blocked

[@hirkdeknirk1]

In the old days (I'm old), if someone had a different opinion on something, you would shake your head and move on. Today you have to destroy people with a "wrong" opinion immediately because otherwise you are not a good person. That's where the problems come from.

[@woodbyte]

Well, judging from that board statement, I'm pretty sure this will happen again and you will have to talk about it some more.

[@ManuCGDev]

Based, actually

[@randomjimbitz512]

100% factual

[@raul0ca]

Content

[@synthblade]

@@woodbyte hey, as long as the engine does its job, idc who says what.

[@ICEknightnine]

Yeah, "submit a form proving your innocence" is just taking the side of community management.

[@sololeveling944]

Banning people all way to git repo is too much , it damages godot reputation and contribution.

[@quinnleavitt4105]

The people banned on the repo were harassing other users

[@The_Xeos]

The bans on the repos were valid, it was a bunch of trolls harassing contributors to spread misinfo.

[@frosty2912]

Maybe someone will fork it and start a new engine. As you said Godot just damaged it's brand.

[@lucasljs1545]

Already forked, Redot Engine. Godot is dead.

[@lucasljs1545]

@@The_Xeos can you show us any proof?

[@crysishk]

Conspiracy, the community manager is paid by Unity.😂

[@greyspirit4]

Oh no, the real plot twist is that the people that ruin the reputation of unity and godot are the same group of people that has the goal to ruin the game industries with their activism.

[@DudeSoWin]

Piss test their employees ffs, when you claim to "remove bugs" you will get methed up virgins.

[@angel_of_rust]

nah it's just the Jews as usual

[@gonhunter3994]

​@@greyspirit4 No, as the Unity RTF had 0 thing to do with activism & was all about greed

[@AnnasVirtual]

when unity fucked up: oh yeah switch to godot fuck unity when godot fucked up: it must been unity!

[@felsenstern]

Where those guys paid by Unity to bring back some customers?

[@QriousKoder]

i mean it's not that far fetched after what unity almost did lol

[@ZachHixsonTutorials]

While something like that could definitely be a chess move for them, could you imagine the backlash that would hit them if that got out? "Unity pays employees to attack LGBTQ+ and use homophobic slurs on competitors social media," would *not* be a good look.

[@mandisaw]

Unity doesn't care about Godot 😅And the PR risk of a move like that only has bad-bad, no upside.

[@gonhunter3994]

​@@ZachHixsonTutorials I think it would be more like "Unity gets a woke idiot inside the Godot team as CM to ruin them"

[@Axiasart]

That theory is underestimated the idiocy of those people

[@waguno]

a position as a community manager must have mentally prepared people capable of dealing with other people. This generated unnecessary hate for the godot engine.

[@gardian06_85]

the Godot foundation guidelines specifically state that "baiting" is an unacceptable behavior, so by the CM making a post with targeted language "woke" they knew what they were doing, and it absolutely was "baiting" whether you agree with the standpoint or not. they should have the guidelines thrust upon them for the reverse stance as well.

[@lucasljs1545]

@@captainseagold3559 not even my bosses ever ordered me around, I guess people just look like cucks. My bosses always addressed me with respect while screaming at others LMAO

[@tomgrimard8075]

That' so true, you should be a community manager lol

[@ImFangzBro]

The way you phrased that sounds like a wifebeater, tbh. It has the exact same vibes as "Why did you make me hit you?"

[@gonhunter3994]

@@gardian06_85 FAX

[@TylerLig]

I don't think agitating the community is part of the job description for being a community manager.

[@SvenHeidemann-uo2yl]

It seems to be nowadays tho. Just look around, it's super common. Hiring activists as cms is the norm.

[@HalkerVeil]

Gen Z is getting jobs now. And this is what they believe they have a right to do. It honestly makes me lmao as they learn a life lesson their parents never taught them.

[@AnotherAyushRaj]

kind of is for Twitter. But not if you want people to use your product and revenue totally depended of donations

[@nicolausteslaus]

Godot is now official gay and african american.

[@makanansari144]

So Godot was doing amazing they didn't have any problems! Then I guess they got bored and created a problem for themselves! Congratulations!

[@Kobold666]

They suddenly got a lot of funding from a lot of places. All that money had to go somewhere, so they hired community managers and moderators, an army of social media ninjas, everyone and everything that has nothing to do with game engine development and actual code.

[@charlieking7600]

Godot had actual problems, like performance. Rendering is stil atrocious from performance point.

[@lucasljs1545]

@@charlieking7600 now it got Forked so real devs work on it. Redot Engine the new name.

[@viruschris3160]

@@charlieking7600For 2D or 3D?

[@charlieking7600]

@@viruschris3160 for 3D. Demos like Abandoned Spaceship run poorly on old videocards which can handle decade old AAA games like Doom 2016.

[@Produno]

Thankyou for a very honest and level headed review of the situation. Unfortunately i was banned from the godot cafe for echoing pretty much what you have said here.

[@tux_the_astronaut]

Oh i remember talking to you damn its a shame they banned you

[@Produno]

@@tux_the_astronaut Heh, I you too! Maybe its for the best, I should be concentrating more on my game. If they ban everyone with an open mind, its probably not somewhere i want to converse anyway.

[@shindig9000]

@@Produno 💯

[@pureheroin9902]

​@@Produnodoes 4.3 have everything you need? If it does, it might be worth thinking about keeping with that version.

[@QriousKoder]

most people were for the saying keep politics out of it, they went on a powertrip some people even saying all orgs must have a political stance and what not.

[@chasecobb7988]

The objective problem is that this behavior damages the brand. How can anyone try to build a serious future on the Godot platform knowing that a super mild disagreements can have them excommunicated from vital resources? They should immediately backtrack and put measures in place to make sure it never happens again.

[@riptmangleshank4286]

...measures which include firing and banning their CM.

[@Aeroxima]

Hard to not see parallels to the Unity situation, just in a different flavor. But I don't use Godot anyway, and I guess at least it can be forked (in theory, it's not effortless), and as said those forks often don't go anywhere

[@llareia]

Yeah it's pretty hard to put your faith in a business that arbitrarily throws its business partners/clients/users under the bus. Kinda the whole reason I jumped from Unity to Godot in the first place. 🤔

[@akeem2983]

@@llareia At least Godot can't possibly put you in debt for years or forbid you from using the engine itself. Even if the CM will continue making immense harm to the brand - the engine itself may slow the development, but it won't go away

[@netyimeni169]

It's not even about disagreements. You are either brainwashed into their worldview or you are banned. Straight from 1984.

[@c-domination]

Wait, Godot Café wasn't official? There was an invitation to the server on the website.

[@ahettinger525]

When there was no official Godot server, they directed people to Godot Cafe (which was just "Godot" at the time). Godot Engine (the official discord) was created recently, and they now direct to that. This was announced on Godot Cafe as well. I have theories as to why this change occurred, but no inside knowledge (so I'll just keep them to myself).

[@pro.giciel9084]

@@ahettinger525 Yes a months ago Godot Café was the "official" server because it was were most of the comunity was. They annonced that they left the server to be 100% community moderated because they were not involved enough.

[@MFool64]

good think i left that server

[@MrKomalarn]

They are LYING" Yesterday, on official godot page under "Community" they listed Godot Cafe infite link under "Official communities". Cowards

[@AHeinermann]

​@@MrKomalarnit's not though. They moved off of it months ago and announced it in that Discord. Seems more likely that they didn't update the website. It's even covered in the video.

[@krzysieksiewio8930]

I got banned on the Godot Cafe for having a polite conversation with some other users - and automatically on the official one as well. I'm using and contributing engine since v1.0. I've participated in the official meetings with other devs many times. That's super sad and heart braking. How can one brake so beauty project in so short period of time...?

[@hlop_vmp]

"i pay taxes why I'm getting jailed for braking rules"

[@That_One_Guy-.]

@@hlop_vmpAh yes, automatically going for the bad faith interpretation, that’ll surely contribute to the conversation

[@lucasljs1545]

@@That_One_Guy-. that hlop is part of the Godot discord, they are raiding every video about this and flooding the comments with trolls and gaslight.

[@GakuCMDR]

I remember you. I ended up banned as well and felt discouraged because I feel like we all were having a polite discussion. Didn't know it was going to end like this.

[@BlueSpawn]

@@hlop_vmp You don’t pay taxes. They’re taken from you under threat of kidnapping or assault. There are no tax payers, only tax victims. So your analogy is BS. Also, what rule did he break?

[@whendricso]

Moderation of large communities is hard.

[@YouHaveTrouble]

The fault for this entire situation lies in whoever blocked that first person saying to focus on game engine and not politics. That was not harassment and it started entire shitstorm.

[@ricardor2478]

Exactly IF the CM had addressed and acknowledged the shortcomings of the engine that were being pointed this shitstorm wouldn't even have happened

[@NeightrixPrime]

I disagree. It is a mistake to hire anyone who holds beliefs that conflict with reality. The red flags are there.

[@px8]

you helped me setup my minecraft linux server like 1 year ago bro, thanks a lot! i recognized ur username lol

[@NowThatsAnime]

Bro he's not the first person to be blocked. I ws the first person to be blocked on both discord and github. I did post about it back in june. Reddit got taken down but fb post of mine still exists. If you want I can give link. That time no one noticed because I was a nobody. This move have been going on for at least 6 months.

[@skaruts]

I read a ton of replies and hidden replies, and I barely seen anything that could be considered harassment by any reasonable person.

[@yaminnather521]

Unity HQ is having a field day

[@viruschris3160]

How good is it for making 2D sprite games? And easy access for hobbyists?

[@bonehead8803]

​@@viruschris3160 Stop spamming please. It's annoying.

[@viruschris3160]

@@bonehead8803 oh sorry. When I was trying to post, it said no network connection and waited to see if I got connection back and hit reply. ^_^; I honestly didn’t think it was delay the post instead of cancelling it.

[@makian_real]

​@@viruschris3160its pretty good for making 2d games

[@Nicholas-nu9jx]

​@@viruschris3160use unity over godot. It's more polished and supports more platforms

[@BigBraGad]

The Godot Engine is great at being a game engine. Who are random people to think that it should also be an activist platform? Why not just keep things simple instead of trying to be something other than what it is?

[@Rietto]

Twitter drives people insane, I swear.

[@mavencore3557]

Because it's ran from a non-profit, which has a board of directors. They are intentionally destroying their reputation. These people openly calling for violence of people who doesn't bow down to them.

[@skellious]

"keep things simple" does not equal allowing anti-LGBTQ people a safe space to hate on LGBTQ people.

[@HendrikMans]

Blows my mind that a single tweet is considered turning into an "activist platform". You're all showing your whole asses right now.

[@mavencore3557]

@@HendrikMans A single tweet, huh? Look at these people's history. Even if people are basing this off a "Single Tweet", then what is the context of that tweet. Clearly pushes a preferred political identarian ideology. An ideology based in hate, bigotry, and violence. They also continue to reaffirm this, "weeding" out people who doesn't conform to it. It wasn't just one tweet, get over yourself.

[@Clawthorne]

What bothers me is how empty and two-faced their response to this situation is. They're fully throwing xananax under the bus (as they should, what he said was beyond disgusting) but at the same time shielding their CM fully and blaming "wave of harassment" and "negative engagement" for the situation. Also notice how they're actually not apologizing to the people who were unfairly blocked, instead hand-waving it away with a "eh you can just use the contact form lol". They're not handling the situation. They're dismissing it. And that makes me wonder exactly what kind of relationship the CM has with the Godot team, or what dirt she has on them, for them to come to bat for her like this, despite her taking actions that were objectively wrong. Actions that would have had ANYONE else thrown off the team lickety-split. I mean, she's not even apologetic. Or trying to calm down the situation. She's currently on her personal account smugly tagging asmongold of all people, trying to antagonize him into making another video about the situation. This is the kind of person the Godot foundation is so adamantly defending? Just... what??

[@Cydeamon]

This is beyond insane

[@gonhunter3994]

Simple, she a friend of 1 of the Godot devs who SHARES her worldviews

[@gostan2718]

stop assuming the CM gender

[@NoGo-nl5ll]

@@gostan2718 GFYS

[@jacobblaustein7779]

How do we know who was unfairly blocked: pbs.twimg.com/media/GYlCKuZXYAAG8a3?format=jpg&name=medium

[@thegreendude2086]

I believe this is one of those moments were "the messenger ruins the message". These moderators did not do what Godot stands for, an open community. Too bad, the fault lies with the moderators. In my opinion does it not change Godots value as a game engine.

[@nushia7192]

They tried to, but you know? both sides have very annoying idiots.

[@ryanvenjoyer]

Where there's smoke, there's often fire. Don't expect this to be the last of Godot's problems, especially after their banned donors pull away from the project.

[@matet7772]

@@nushia7192 that's why u should hire professional which is committed to push company forward, not any side of agenda.

[@nathanl6598]

This is the second time this has happened. In fact, I think it happens constantly.

[@TurtleTracks-g1r]

​@@Callsign_Sturmwhat the hell do you mean "if these people want to be accepted"?

[@marques.l0l]

I kinda think people are taking this waaaaaaaaaaay more serious than they should. Some people are like "godot is done", "Unity must be so happy now", etc. What probably will happen is: CM is no longer CM, People will be unblocked, Everything's gonna be back to normal. They messed up, sure, but Godot users will continue to use Godot (just like me). Maybe cuz in my country, it's not common to see people talking about the concept of "woke" (I believe it's more of an American thing), and it's kinda weird to me seeing people considering that as actual politics. I do know what the term is actually supposed to mean (even though some people just call everything they don't like as "woke"), but I still think that nothing will happen to Godot itself, maybe just the CM.

[@greensky5328]

You are absolutely correct in assuming it's an American thing, bunch of political nonsense that has nothing to do with game development. Like you say it'll probably blow over in a week or so.

[@Thomas-eo3dy]

Exactly my thoughts. Way too much drama, just shows how toxic the gaming community still is in some parts that this is considered to be such a huge problem.

[@marques.l0l]

@@greensky5328 a lot of people outside of the game dev community are talking about this and they don't give a f about the game dev part, they are just here for the politics, dramas and clicks

[@TheDeadSource]

sadly that language is a common tool in use by many, many people who support one of the two most popular political parties in the states, so it kind of seeps everywhere.

[@lauson1ex]

What is ACTUALLY happening on the backstage of this drama: • CM is still CM; • Godot core devs/Foundation are doubling down and blaming users for what happened; • Godot team is demanding users who were banned to doxx themselves by sending personal info in order to have the ban be reviewed (with no promises of being reverted).

[@shindig9000]

The statement from the Godot Foundation Board is absolutely not satisfactory in my opinion. People being blocked by mistake isn't excusable and the it 'seems' to me that the code of conduct wasn't being taken into account. Secondly, there is an argument to be made that the community manager was not following the code of conduct along with a lot of other people that were not punished for similar behavior but on the other side that more so agrees with the views of the community manager. Lastly, I find it embarrassing that people's sexuality and personal beliefs automatically are thrown behind the label "woke" when there is plenty of people that are "in" one of the minority groups that do not like the ideology behind what is generally referred to as "woke". Everyone on all sides agree this term is over used and misused these days. For the sake of the community becoming healthier and to keep support for the system strong, I would like to see the Godot Foundation take more personal responsibility for this situation. Shoving the blame on the "negativity" is unbecoming and does not build trust or a welcoming community. This is the most balanced take on the situation and I hope it is read in good faith and is close enough to sticking to the news story even though I am putting some of my personal feelings into it. Thank you for reading. 💙

[@nushia7192]

Code conduct? Like what? shrimping(simping) for the ones who donate?

[@commentinglife6175]

Very well said. That's kind of my issue with this. The argument "they were harassing us" doesn't fly when you went out of your way to stake a position YOU KNEW would piss off a good segment of your customers. I don't care if you think your side is right; that's the problem! You violated the rules by harassing those people who just want to make a game! It wasn't a joke; the original tweet was harassment IN THE OPINION OF THOSE OFFENDED! And, as the one side of this debate keeps claiming, if someone is offended by something, it is wrong by definition. Well, here you go!

[@crywithmi2419]

why is it not excusable? being blocked on twitter isn't hurting anyone

[@diligencehumility6971]

Not that statement is a joke. And if you look at the board, you'll see why. They are all the same people, it's the same people who runs both Godot Cafe and Godot discord channels, the foundation, etc, it's a few very far-left lunatics running the show, while normal regular people actually do the heavy lifting and implementing features, while other normal people pay money to the project. Those lunatics just sits on top and act like dictators

[@AnnCatsanndra]

@@crywithmi2419 I think shindig is interpreting the blocks as deliberate attacks and attempts to deny people access to information about Godot software updates. In which case it would be a pretty poor idea. That, and I think people are pre-disposed to interpret the situation in poor faith since the Godot X account introduced this situation themselves and while they might have gotten a disproportionate amount of blowback against it that isn't immediate obvious to outside users, their attempts to mute and block and otherwise bring down the noise so they could get back to some normalcy probably did them very little good when they ended up pressing the punishment actions against users who really didn't have any animosity about the situation, but genuinely pointed out that this behavior was probably not the wisest for Godot's overall objectives. Admittedly, my understanding right now is that the guy who owns X made it so that blocking an account doesn't really do anything but prevent them from directly replying to messages anyway? So I'm not sure why the feature is even still there. Or why people insist on staying on the platform for that matter, given it seems designed to engineer "engagement" via drama-baiting and doom-scrolling. I deleted my X accounts years ago and I get my Godot software updates via package repos, so X bickering wouldn't really affect my access to and use of the software much at all. If not for the optics of the engine seemingly speaking to the value of the devs that use it, I'm darn sure most people who use the engine for the engine wouldn't even care about this X drama of the day until their own communities start hopping in on the conversation and bringing it up to the devs in question. But maybe I'm making way too many assumptions.

[@MateoTeos]

Well... they banned a lot of people left and right, and to unban your acc you need to include your e-mail, for some reason.

[@pescadorCardoso]

So they can witch hunt and dox you, naturally :)

[@felix_xb]

Because of the github bans probably. That or maybe they need the email to check if you were paying them before they banned you? :D

[@SomeNerd361]

I imagine there are platform-specific reasons for it.

[@ViktorsJournal]

From what I heared it's not only like that. Unban to at least some people happens without filling the form but the form is there to let people know it exists and to avoid a situation someone could be missed since the overall numbers are not 1 0 two users - although mistakenly banned are a minority compared to people who really just went off with death threats and such, which is still unfortunate that it got to this stage.

[@novh4ck]

@@felix_xb Nah, there were only three bans on GitHub and those guys will never be unbanned because they were creating insulting issues against the developers and trying to harass them directly in the repository. That's not the reason for the e-mail inclusion.

[@Prismwind]

I'm all for a non-toxic community. I'm all for things like gender equality and trans rights. But this wasn't equality, this wasn't helping anyone's rights. This was blatant hate and hostility against anyone who just wanted a game engine and not to have to talk about that subject, it is basically them acting exactly like what they accuse others of. Reverse discrimination is still discrimination. Also, their apology still acts like they were the victim and like this was all just a misunderstanding... you don't get some of the bans they handed out and language they used from just a misunderstanding. Anyone who wasn't cheering this on for ANY reason at all was banned, as if not cheering them on was the same thing as being their enemy no matter what the reason, even if it was just "Can we please just be a game engine and stop going on about politics?" They basically lied about their intentions with these bans. I'm still using Godot for various reasons for my game, but this does seriously make me not want to participate in their community or server for the most part. I'm trans myself and I still find this reaction of theirs cringe.

[@rameynoodles152]

People like you are going to have to fight the battle against these nutcases. They can't hide behind "discrimination" when people like you confront them on their bullshit. Good luck my friend.

[@Eepistoo]

No matter who you are, if you are on wrong side of the fence, well.. banned i guess? In other words, gender politics they push here do no care the gender part if you are not also align with the politics part (left). This is why discrimination happens even inside that community. I personally do not understand, why they eat their own, and what even is that community in the end and why it has to be on everyones face.

[@AnnCatsanndra]

I'm in a similar boat. I have a lot more sympathy for the moderators/community managers in situations like that, and I've learned from my own experience that I absolutely do not have the fortitude for community management (because I tend to be far too lax and let the annoying users start chasing off the good ones before I can start handing out punishments). So I genuinely believe the excessive blocking may have been due to being emotionally overwhelmed and struggling to separate bad-faith messages from harassment and pointless noise. Buuuuuut, my sympathy aside, this situation was entirely avoidable on the social media handler's part. I'm totally with you on "I don't want to participate in their community or server for the most part". Admittedly, I _never_ intended to join those communities or servers, except to the extent that I intended to submit push requests to the engine's source itself. As an end user of the engine, I don't really want to join more groups for idle-chat than I need to. I want the engine to thrive and do good work. That doesn't require me being friends with anyone involved with it.

[@NihongoWakannai]

These type of people will just say you're lying about being trans and if you prove it they will say you have "internalized bigotry" or whatever. They've so thoroughly deluded themselves into thinking they're the "good guys" that they can't possibly conceieve of the people they're "protecting" disagreeing with them.

[@tiacool7978]

People have the ability to ignore things they don't want to talk about. They're just as much in the wrong as the mod blocking people. Neither side was forced to react, yet they did.

[@acgumut]

Clarification for people who are not aware of some pinpoints: The mod who used a harsh language was not just a random moderator. He is one of the main contributors of the foundation and if you check his chat history you will see that he was responsible for most of the announcements on the channel since 2016. Even the channel's introduction message was written by him. There are also some rumors saying that the community manager who messed up was actually a friend of another like-minded developer in the foundation who got her hired.

[@diligencehumility6971]

why they hire these people ?

[@justanothercomment416]

@@diligencehumility6971 Mark'sismsm and the agenda.

[@ManuCGDev]

that discord is not affiliated with godot in any way or form it WAS the only one that existed at a time, but as the project grew they created a official one

[@NoGo-nl5ll]

@@ManuCGDev it 100% is. They had it linked on their website until VERY recently.

[@Protech-ps6cw]

He's like a King there I don't think he could get fired

[@kuroodo_]

Contrary to their official statement, this issue has been happening for months. It is no accident, and it definitely is not about harassment. They block anyone they disagree with. Here is a quote from the creator of the Godot engine, made June 2024 when the same thing was happening: "This is not a democracy, this is private property where the owner reserves the right to show the door to anyone they dislike, without having to explain anything." - Juan Linietsky

[@kuroodo_]

Just to add one more quote from Juan: "Well, you have to realize that online communities are private property, so you can discuss rules and politics as much as you want, but ultimately the owner decides who is to stay." - Juan Linietsky

[@ryanvenjoyer]

Probably same types that think property should be owned by the public, unless they're the ones who happen to own the property

[@luuuucas]

Based. He's right.

[@rameynoodles152]

@@kuroodo_ I mean, I don't disagree with that statement... I think it's missing some context. Who was he saying this to and why? This doesn't necessarily indicate that he would ban people for superficial personal reasons. He's just saying that the owner has the right to do so if they please, not necessarily that it's morally right to do it for no good reason.

[@romulo2714]

Juan is right, that's mega based.

[@DJHEADPHONENINJA]

Imagine playing the victim card instead of firing whoever is behind the Godot twitter account?? Yikes

[@playakoz]

Amen, they also lied about blocking people as well. I t was not a mistake at all.

[@learningforever957]

Yeah. They even blocked new responses to their last tweet. The victims are those who got a free ban by the face. And they made a form to fill if you think you were banned without a reason xDDDD Extremely pathetic. I love Godot, but that comunity manager is so dumb.

[@SirRichard94]

fire for what? blocking people? damn

[@playakoz]

Are you suggesting that blocking paid developers for suggesting politics stay out of video games is the right thing to do? Do you think a game engine should any hand in this mess?

[@catto-from-heaven]

@@SirRichard94 Causing a PR disaster is exactly the opposite of a CM job

[@randomjimbitz512]

Really weird timing... Unity changes their pay structure... Godot starts a dumpster fire??? LOL

[@IWillYeah]

UE getting rid of free megascans and FAB changeover.

[@burgeryoufoundbehindthegrill]

UE did fund Godot if I recall correctly. Don't forget, corporate espionage is a thing. Companies do insert plants and try to sabotage the competition. There are no coincidences when it comes to crooks

[@blank.e5plus]

It really does feel like that community manager is a corporate plant and this is genuine espionage at least I hope....

[@luluskuy]

@@blank.e5plus you hope that? then we know what type of person you are..

[@AnnasVirtual]

@@blank.e5plus when unity fucked up: oh yeah switch to godot fuck unity when godot fucked up: it must been unity!

[@wpshadow]

Really, I don't care what they are thinking about things... The engine is fine, works like it should and if they are thinking whatever they should. I'm using the engine because it's good. The only thing I would say to the Godot team is: "Please hire a community manager, that makes your own life easier"

[@RarebitFiends]

It was a tweet from a community manager who runs the X account that kicked off this mess to begin with.

[@IWillYeah]

A new manager*

[@DevLeoArchive_906]

It's crazy how there are devs already going crazy saying they're switching engines and shit, but like, godot engine is still fine to use, even with its current flaws/limitations

[@HarryPujols]

​@@RarebitFiends not exactly. The CM exposed the account to criticism and instead of rolling with it, made a dumb use of the block button.

[@bardoomguy]

@@DevLeoArchive_906 well it's not surprising. Godot Twitter officially pledged allegiance to far-leftism, so not surprising that some wouldn't want to be a part of that. Lefties would be fleeing in droves if Godot made some right-wing tweet, as I'm sure you're aware of.

[@KevinNijmeijer]

My two cents: Don't want drama? Stay out of social media. It's really easy. Live gets more fun when you stop using twitter. The engine didn't suddenly become a rainbow-clad pridefest because of some overzealous community manager / Social media intern.

[@thomaswhite7527]

It's always the community managers...the most hostile force for any community.

[@letopizdetz]

It's just lord of the flies. 'mods' and 'admins' went crazy with power since the start of chat rooms and small forums.

[@Wineblood]

Activist community managers always strike me as people who want access to a community but don't have the required skills for it, so they go for the "social media as a job" position.

[@sobieckil07]

​@@Wineblood Bingo

[@blarghblargh]

Lol. You guys are so mad

[@ayushmanbt]

most probably the best video I have seen on this news with no bias. The only thing which concerns me now, if the moderators do not hesitate from blocking a titanium supporter of the project will Godot in future receive enough funding to be kept afloat, cause I would say it will be very hard to trust my support to godot.

[@eliteengineer7340]

I got banned permanently on the discord server for posting a meme about the cm manager loosing sponsors in the channel meant for off topic

[@blackcitadel37]

it seems godot went the way of the rainbow.

[@rameynoodles152]

In the official server or Godot Cafe?

[@eliteengineer7340]

@@rameynoodles152 godot cafe

[@dieSpinnt]

@@rameynoodles152 Who cares about these unimportant things called "facts" or "details" nowadays??? I think he didn't really want to interact socially with others (what this forum is made for?!), but only preach something ... Or do you know people who love to hear themselves talk? It may be that "illness". Anyways, have a good one!:)

[@avp2501]

This is the risk of using social media. Personally you're better off without it.

[@mandisaw]

This. Twitter especially is just a cesspool, and has only gotten worse. Main issue though is you need trained professionals to handle PR & CM, and even then mistakes can be made. In a volunteer org, you rely on whoever steps up, which isn't always ideal.

[@commentinglife6175]

@@mandisaw I'll be honest: not sure even having "trained" people would do any good anymore. We've seen community managers that are fully paid and supported by a company create controversy where it doesn't need to happen. As much as I say this is typically an awful idea, a community manager position really should be a committee of people requiring at least a couple sign-offs before a message can be posted because at least then, the usual "watering down" of positions would likely be a good thing. (And, if the entire committee agrees with something and posts a message, it is much, much harder for the company/organization to claim it doesn't represent their values.) In reality, I don't see much value in a community manager. The good ones (and I use that term to mean someone who doesn't hurt the business by causing drama) generally fall into one of two camps: either they act as a regurgitation of official press releases (things that have normally gone through executive and legal review) or they perform a glorified customer support ticket role, pointing to FAQs or directing folks to the area that would best resolve their issue (e.g., website issues to this group, gameplay/multiplayer issues over here, etc.). Sure, the person running the Wendy's Twitter account is successful at snark but A) you aren't Wendy's with that specific Twitter reputation and B) your customers probably really don't want that!

[@HarryPujols]

This is the risk of using X. KZbin has tons of rage baiters too, but thankfully the algorithm has kept me away from that trash.

[@benhunter8551]

You can always ignore social media, but social media won't always ignore you.

[@avp2501]

@@benhunter8551 it's easy for me since I've never had an account on any platform.

[@jarwarren]

Myself and "Wokot" clearly agree on a lot of things, but they make me feel like the bad guy when I say it's best we stay out of politics. Ultimately, I just want what's best for the engine. It was exciting watching donations climb during the Unity fiasco. It's sad to see them making enemies for no reason. A huge unforced error that nobody benefits from.

[@somedude5951]

🌈Wokot. With rainbow colors instead of logo blue 🤔

[@ChosenSquirrel]

Most people would have just rolled their eyes and moved on if they didn't start blocking people like mad for just wanting it to stay out of politics. Thing is even if you agree with them , ideological stuff hurts the focus, like if I made an engine and they started being obsessed with my politics it would make others who might have talent not want to contribute. It hurts them even more because their particular alignment doesn't like criticism and shuts down feed back loops between the community and the devs which help improve the product.

[@idoitonastick8689]

The donation is going up. 🎉🎉 I agree with the wokot too. The way they handled it is unnecessary

[@mdstevens0612]

This is one of those real everyone needs to log off kind of stories. Don't go make the moderators jobs hard by yelling at them, but the moderators also seem to have been overzealous and unprepared to handle the negative attention that a post in the vein of American partisan politics can bring. It's good that Godot tries to make the space safe for people of all walks of life, it's admirable, but it has to be your first day on the internet if you don't think word "woke" isn't going to invite a shitstorm in the replies, whether you're left or right. The best thing we can all do now is just go touch grass and come back more level headed.

[@laurii0512]

Honestly, agree 100%. Mistakes were made and people from ALL sides are overreacting to the whole thing.

[@ronaldpikksaar2202]

It took a whole year for Unity to understand how badly they failed. One year is a long time and the damage might be irreversible. The first response from the Godot is lacking at best. When the community goes away then appologising and admitting ones mistakes years later is way too late. Also, if their instinct is to start bocking everyone indicriminately then that already expresses volumes about their character. The good thing about open source is that users aren't forced to support tyrannical maintainers.

[@Slaynelonewolf]

Just a simple "Don't worry the team is working on that issue, I'm just farming for some egagement from this community to showcase their work." No drama , no need piss people off , banning them from the github or losing suporters. So dumb.

[@Thomas-eo3dy]

I don't understand this *amount* of drama at all. Supporting queers is a pretty unproblematic endeavour and basically every company does at this point at least in June. The Community manager overextended this by not only banning people practicing hate speech but also banning people who were arguing against making this kind of post, which was cringe, but unproblematic at first. Now they backtracked because obviously the manager has been too harsh and they got shit for it. Deal done, lesson learned, no life actually harmed. What I find more problematic is how every second community member seems to be condemning them to be queer-supportive in general and calling it the "end of godot" and "godot is done for, stop learning gdscript". Like, my guys, please, there was one manager who was wrongly banning people on Twitter. Let them sort it out and be better. Just shows you how truly toxic the gaming community still is in some parts. Anything is slightly too problematic, too woke, too much of an opinion, you immediately get fucked by a bunch of gremlins wishing you death. Thanks for the unbiased video, it was hard to find one at all where people were calling out facts and not shouting at the "end of game development". Happy to hear other thoughts as well.

[@IcyKali]

^This is literally my take as well, my thing is that it was always abundantly clear that the creation of Godot and its socials and stuff were progressive... so it almost seems to me like maybe people who are toxic and reactionary were like, lying in wait for somebody in the Godot community to make any sort of mistake so they could retaliate? This SHOULD be a big nothing, and even though the CM made big mistakes, I feel like the fact that I'm getting recommended "GODOT IS DESTROYED BY WOKENESS!!!" videos by KZbin is showing where the more pressing source of toxicity is coming from.

[@dantediiorio7547]

Most of the hate I've seen is not even from the dev community but from the anti LGBT grifters community. The good thing about this is that we got a good joke, the "redot-engine"

[@vintprox]

@@dantediiorio7547 Oh, dear, I've had a laugh from this too.

[@satan1149]

yeah, this seems like a culture warrior woke-cryer nothing burger drama. Our community is better off without the kind of person who would take issue with the engine supporting lgbt rights. Fuck the wokecrying grifters and all their bullshit astroturfing of this non issue

[@eugenech.2450]

Im still gonna use this engine, despite the drama going on online.

[@vaivs7903]

Me too

[@lucasljs1545]

Some devs already forked to Redot. Godot has some problems that the people who control the main branch aren't really wanting to fix for MONTHS now, it is a dead project. Hope the Redot fork can become something different.

[@erichzannbusoumuzan]

@@lucasljs1545 Oh, thanks for a fork namedrop!

[@SLSat]

It feels weird people not directly affected by this stop using the engine. Game engines are about the tool, not really about who's behind it

[@tequilasunset4651]

​@@SLSat I'd say its because they are worried they are the type of person who may have the same thing happen to them in the future

[@LaynaStambaugh]

The original post was fine (it's Twitter for Christ's sake that's like the most mild PoLiTiCaL post you can think of) but banning people and blocking them is asinine

[@ŕíćéAvarice]

Gracias por hacer este video, saludos desde Uruguay 🇺🇾✌️

[@gamefromscratch]

eres muy bienvenido

[@ŕíćéAvarice]

@@gamefromscratch really, huge thanks for all.

[@evanev7]

As free open source software, godot is making a political stance very explicitly, and to suggest that they "stay out of politics" is like suggesting unity should stay out of economics. All this "just focus on the engine" talk reminds of all the people I will never want to work with - people who think politics is something you can and should ignore. Game development is an art form, art is often revolutionary and I expect the artists making the paintbrushes to support the artists painting the future.

[@prideneverdies1001]

lol

[@escthedark3709]

Agreed, but I think that the meaning intended behind "stay out of politics" is often more akin to "stay out of social controversy". FOSS may inherently have ancap leanings by its very nature, but that doesn't mean that one must be ancap to support, use, or develop for an open source project. Stirring up controversy only serves to exclude talented people who, though they may disagree politically with most of the community in some ways, are still freely donating their time, talent, and resources towards making it better. Alienating that support for the sake of ideological purity only serves to hurt the project as a whole.

[@evanev7]

I would disagree with "ancap" given it's yknow, free, but I do understand the point. It just really gets on my nerves when people throw up their hands and go "I don't want to get involved" while being a channel that literally profits off getting involved and propagating controversy.

[@escthedark3709]

@@evanev7 oops, meant ancom

[@evanev7]

@@escthedark3709 PHEW

[@tabulasmaragdina4117]

Godot is no longer a small niche engine, their social media accounts should be professional and promote games made by the engine engine updates etc and not jokes and drama. (English not my first language)

[@TurtleKwitty]

@@tabulasmaragdina4117 So they should do what they did and get people to talk about the games they've been working on? Agreed, there is no reason for any of this idiotic backlash

[@tesladrew2608]

The tweet was promoting the game engine

[@t.mfootball]

first unity pressed the self destruction button now godot

[@Ah2o5b]

Unreal Unity are already "woke"

[@amex02]

If the community manager makes an uproar in the community, they should be fired

[@llareia]

I guess she thought "manager" meant "boss". 😅

[@mirey-lamb]

the foundation got more money because of him, so ...

[@achrafgarai6621]

Thank you for bringing this up. I also experienced being blocked by the Godot page simply for liking a comment that touched on the same issue. While I still believe Godot is a fantastic engine, their approach to PR has made me reconsider and lean towards sticking with Unity.

[@xXdnerstxleXx]

After the unity disaster? I mean the obvious competitor with the edge is and has been epic for years. Unreal engine is getting so far ahead, it's insane.

[@ronaldpikksaar2202]

@@xXdnerstxleXx Unfortunately Unreal got woke already. I think the offending tweet referenced that. So this means all my favourite 3 engines have gone out one by one.

[@Wait4Shadow]

For most I doubt any of this matters. Chill out, make games, eat pizza, focus on yourself, have a good time. Emphasis on the pizza.

[@maingrought6906]

i feel like that's a small group that is just loud and waiting the most minimum moment to release hate, also i found amazing how in those 3 days of burn media, the donations increased by 2000€ more or less

[@mountaene]

Expected to some degree, but how long donations will flow is an open question.

[@wedge_one]

This is really bad. CMs should learn to stop using corporate social accounts as if they were their personal account. This attitude of BLOCKING devs really made me thing of jumping the ship.

[@keyser456]

It's not just CMs. This isn't specific to one job title or even the gaming industry. It's pervasive.

[@rustkitty]

This is so weird, the original tweet was fine and nothing extraordinary. Even if you don't like progressive messaging, it's standard from a brand account (especially in a creative field) so you should've grown a thicker skin about it by now. *BUT* a corporate account should never block anyone on social media. The block button exists to protect people's sanity from harassment! Corporations and foundations are not people so they don't need that protection. As for community managers, being patient with irate, idiotic or even repugnant people is their job, that's what they are paid for which is certainly exploitative and a tough deal but they did sign up for it.

[@60b1in]

Their "admission" was a non-apology. What does that mean that they take full responsibility? When they, instead of listing their mistakes, deflect with "muh harassment"? Will anyone be fired? I hope that fork will take off, and will get the support of many contributors who are fed with the comitee's bullshit.

[@graithen8955]

Whatever happened to being professional and friendly to everyone? Did we just lose that? Godot was winning for goodness sake.

[@ussassu]

no such thing as "being friendly to bigots"

[@Laz7481]

​@@ussassuYeah sure, everyone expressing the most nuetral opinion is a bigot. Don't you see that the reason bigots use vague terminology is not just to fly under the radar, but to sow distrust in traumatized people to get them to alienate people who are just trying to understand them? If you think this is okay you are helping bigots, not silencing them.

[@tremorstudio9766]

⁠@@ussassuand who are the bigots? Anyone that you don’t like? You are a bigot for thinking that

[@DamianCRWDctrl]

​@@Laz7481"most neutral opinion" that being "don't talk or promote LGBTQ+ people" ?

[@iLikeCoffee777]

The Twitter blocking isn't so much a problem as the GitHub blocking is. That's where the real problem is. Twitter has been a firestorm of BS and outrage for years now. I appreciate your commitment to keeping this channel focused on game development with as little side commentary as possible.

[@vintprox]

You know, lately, GitHub is so enshitified, I'm afraid to even open it in incognito and with pink glasses... We've made GH a social media shitstorm, congrats!

[@L4Vo5]

hey I don't know if you know this by now but the github blocking was 100% justified as it's normal to ban people who make spam issues with insults. it was also done by somebody else (the CM has no access to ban people on github i'm 99% sure)

[@DamianCRWDctrl]

​@@L4Vo5not only that, but getting blocked on GitHub doesn't mean anything. They can still do anything and everything as before, except open new issues, or comment on existing ones.

[@L4Vo5]

@@DamianCRWDctrl well, they also can't open PRs so if they did ban everyone with X ideology it'd be an engine developed exclusively by people with Y ideology

[@Pewafamath]

1:43 IN RESPONSE? So this isn't where it started?

[@dutchdykefinger]

Nope Someone trolled saying woke people always use 3rd party game enginea because they can't code or something along those lines If they believed what they said they wouldve banned him for political bullshit and leave it there Instead they responded with a clearly reactionary political post with the intent of banning people criticizing it, it was so clearly reactionary in nature So it's hard for me to buy their story on it being in complete good faith, they did not ask people to post their woke games until the guy said that Sure, i don't think what was said in that post about showing woke games was all that horrible, just a but cringe but the pretense that it was just a stand-alone well-intentioned feel-good post is a bit of a load of shit As well as that it somehow was not political

[@shenlong3363]

Thank you for your professionalism, Mike. Clean and focused.

[@Csbees]

people who don't make games: "godot bad now, evil, mean, don't use" people who do make games "ok... interesting, doesn't really change much, godot needs a new publicity team ig"

[@ArthurKhazbs]

Indeed!

[@alexale5488]

As someone who does games, I'm even more inclined to not use Godot. Imagine being threatened because your game is made with Godot but it isn't woke.

[@SenkaZver]

​@@alexale5488literally no one is threatening you to make a non-woke game with godot But the other side does threaten you if you make a wome game. Hypocrites.

[@luckyknot]

Copy pasting my answer from another channel: People wanting to compare what a few dumb moderators did to the robbery that Unity tried to perpetrate and their sneaky changes in the EULA ,is laughable to say the least. These moderators just need to put aside and that's it. Godot is growing rapidly in adoption and improving massively in its features, and this are pure facts. People that favor Unity will put such labels as 'reputation destroyed' or grandiloquent titles trying to magnify things and making it seem much worse than it is. I've been using Godot daily with C# for a year now and I'm very happy with it. Specially when it takes 2-3 secs to open my project. Having a dumbass CM in Godot won't change this, the same way you don't quit your job if someone in your team may not go along that well with you. Having said that, again, this CM needs to be put aside or stop imposing his views onto others.

[@EsmeraldMaster]

very well said, there are a lot of grifters (not mike obv) that are making the situation worse than it has any right to be, specially coming from ppl that are not gamedevs

[@Juandolorian]

This is a great post. Thank you.

[@SabreXT]

Godot Cafe used to be the official discord, but that changed only recently.

[@UlshaRS]

This is why unofficial discord servers should be avoided as a matter of principal. Many exists to be feifdoms for people not allowed the access they think they are entitled to in the actual pages, for good reasons.

[@MrHadane]

Official discord servers are not immune to having trigger happy moderators. Helldivers official discord is a good example.

[@mandisaw]

@@MrHadane Difference is, the devs have the power to remove or temp-suspend anyone out of line in an official channel, incl mods. Seriously, we fought all these "wars" and solved these problems back in the days of Usenet, BBS, and web-forums - it's like the young'uns want to relearn all the old lessons the hard way...

[@lucasljs1545]

The mods from the Oficial discord and this "unofficial" which was official until 1 month ago are the same. There are people being crossbanned in both.

[@Coolguywithmask]

I think this is a growing trend for a year or two. Respect for you for just reporting on it and not putting a spin on it. Very professional.

[@at1965]

The Xananax guy probably forgot to take his Xanax pills on time... It happens sometimes...

[@mandisaw]

LOL My first thought as well

[@Nehpets94]

I don’t really care about the woke tweet, but it’s messed up that they would block someone over a basic response.

[@nushia7192]

I don't think they're the one who has to be asked. I mean they are a moderator, not the developer.

[@lucasljs1545]

@@nushia7192 they control the main branch of development. They are not devs, but they have power to decide who can be devs. Now back to your gooncave.

[@HarryPujols]

That's exactly where the problem started. Don't get into the ring if you're not willing to take punches.

[@fadepanther6224]

Thank you. You gave the most solid reason I come here. I want to know more about game deving, and this stuff with Godot has me spooked about getting into it if even those who should keep their personal opinions... personal. Also, thank you for stating how you stand on all this. I think they messed up because if they didn't make that inflammatory post, they wouldn't have a fire to put out.

[@unicorn_tamer]

Wow... a youtuber that absolutely refuses to cover politics/drama? Man, I loved this channel so much, but just this video has made me appreciate it so much more! Genuinely, thank you for not pushing your ideas onto others like what feels like every other person on this platform!

[@SDGGames]

Thank you for the careful response. I'm a Christian game developer, and I believe that games as an art form can be a powerful tool for facilitating healthy worldview conversations across cultural lines. I used to struggle with the question: Am I really willing to use a tool who's company is willing to persecute me? My conclusion was that open source means open source, and no label can prevent the free use of a paintbrush by any party. I'm still using Godot to tell my stories, and I don't see that changing any time soon.

[@mirey-lamb]

personally I find that 4+ is not ready yet anyway so I am using 3.5 which is not receiving updates. If you also do this, you can grab the source code for 3.5 which will stay the same anyway, compile it once and it is yours. It is no longer "godot", it is a program you own, both source wise and binary wise. That is what Stallman intended

[@leohanhart309]

This video was good for your channel. No doubts, thank you for explaining

[@xxdannyxanny420]

god i forgot how much of a cesspool twitter is, i can just close my eyes and not care about anything that comes from that place, bc it truly doesn't matter

[@wastedmondaylisa]

I got a telegram bot that sends me Godot related youtube videos and in the last hours it went crazy. I thought something special happened AND IT WAS JUST DRAMA. FFS STAHP! hahaha

[@ELTABULLO]

Touch grass

[@HarryPujols]

I only noticed what happened when KZbin started recommending me Godot videos from anti-woke grifters. Now I am contributing to those recommendations by participating in these comments.

[@Sparkfist83]

@@ELTABULLO While I like the idea of caring about others and telling them to visit nature for their health, I think you justmassively overinterpreted here.

[@ELTABULLO]

@@Sparkfist83 definitely but not maliciously

[@KanykaAiM]

All I need from the channel is to be about Game Dev, and I like it stay about Game Dev.

[@albertb4460]

TERRIBLE moment to shoot themselves in the foot given Unity's big efforts of winning back the community

[@RusticRonnie]

Also including the Fact the Unreal once again got cheaper for indie developers. Literally its like unity and Godot are just passing user back and forth while unreal grabs 5% each time. Not to mention Gamemaker and other engines.

[@st.altair4936]

People get mad at the most harmless tweets 😭😭 Personally, I'm glad the people who are leaving are doing so. They shouldn't have been in the community in the first place.

[@lucidpolygons]

Based

[@CptTiki]

Thank you. Thank you for the news coverage. And thank you for showing all the others how it’s supposed to be done. We appreciate your channel, and we appreciate you. Hero mate!

[@bloodmage5671]

i entered dev limbo for a few days , came out to see what was going on and it's all up in flames frankly this will be blow over in at most a week or so , the devs will go back to their games those unrelated to the game engine or community will disperse and hopefully godot gets new CM asap well those are my two cents back to limbo i go

[@billbob9692]

Okay so if theoretically godot made a post saying "slavery is bad" would you be against that under the concept that politics is bad?

[@gamefromscratch]

I never said I was against what they said. I said I try to keep coverage on this channel out of religious, political and cultural conversations as much as possible.

[@billbob9692]

@@gamefromscratch There was a time where slavery was a politcal issue but now hopefully everybody views it as a matter of human rights. What I'm saying is that if someone calls something a "political issue" they are saying at the least that it's not a human right. It's not really a true neutral statement that it appears as. I have watched gun nut channels who have claimed that they where keeping politics out of their channel but if you looked up their non-youtube socials you would see a very different story. They are just dodging the KZbins filters so they can shuffle people into their true political pipeline on the quiet. Obviously if you started talking about social issues on the channel it would spiral away from what the channels actually about, so it would be unreasonable to expect that. It's just that the tweet that caused people to go into such a fury was so laughably innocuous, that fact that you didn't even poke at it semmed to me that it's possible you support the outrage. Looking at the comments and recommendations I am only seeing one opinion being platformed here so without you actually saying anything it all seems very one sided. I know these can bed argued as youtube problems and not cause by you but I do feel it at least justifies me making this comment. Also I did watch the Redot stream and you were mentioned directly so I thought that might point towards you being in support of them.

[@billbob9692]

@@gamefromscratch I had a reply to this but it seems to have disappeared?

[@shadowlordalpha]

The comment they provided as context is a bot comment as well or at least it appears to be one

[@onesketchyguy6050]

I'm very glad you've finally addressed this, following along the whole time I've just been waiting for it 😆

[@barryallencoffee]

godot when you suggest they dont divide developers: BLOCk godot when the discord mod says a racial slur:

[@Sparkfist83]

I think that might just sum up the real problem. Thank you.

[@danielonyenwee2799]

Guy I have been waiting for u to cover this Hopefully fireship will cover this to

[@keyay1239]

Thank you Mike for giving us context about this situation and thank you for staying professional in this channel and avoiding off-topic. Although you might not always feel like it, but the way you make relevant content while avoiding anything irrelevant for us to make the channel focus on learning how to create digital media content (aka acting mature and professionally) is really appreciated, even if we might not always say it.

[@jernaugurgeh451]

I think it's subjective regarding whether the original WOKOT tweet could be considered 'political' - I guess if you take the regressive position that expressions of representation and celebrations of diversity are 'political' and therefore 'bad' and have no place in something you like, then that's on you, bub. Maybe it could've been a bit less 'baity', and a bit more professional, but I couldn't really see a problem with it, beyond WOKOT being clunky and cringe. Of course, wilful banning of people for any reason can be problematic, and some mods can be overzealous, but Godot Foundation's placating statement seems fine to me. But of course, as is always the way with these things, all manner of terminally-online "anti-woke" activists pile in and make it a culture war drama - and probably the majority of these have no interest in the engine or the community - they are just bigots jumping onto the bandwagon and spreading negativity and FUD to further their hateful agenda. I've seen them posting negatively all over the comments sections of various Godot-related content creators, saying Godot is now "lost to woke" and should be forked. Just ridiculous, and somewhat proves the position of the original WOKOT Tweet (which I believe was in reference to Epic Games drive to make their ecosystem more accessible and inclusive, and the same regressive culture warriors kicking up a similar sort of stink against Unreal Engine).

[@wusuosaltchannel4922]

This will vanish from memory in a week

[@gatocochino5594]

Yup. Just your typical inane drama by G*mers and culture war grifters.

[@hache28]

it’s funny how some (probably privileged) people think going against political statements is not political. you just have to take a look at the reactions of the video.

[@Mgm10000]

Disappointed in this retelling regardless of view, since the instigating tweet was not included (since godots woke tweet was an indirect response) and whilst it doesn't change the content of the tweet it provides alot more context on why it happened. Further including the reaction tweets instead feels like it pushed more into the drama. My understanding of this event: Someone replying to a random tweet thread saying something along the likes of 'real game devs make their own game engine and dont use woke game engines like unity godot or unreal' Godot then posted a separate tweet that blew up. The push back in the tweets was large and mostly unpleasant (reading through death threats and slurs) The community manager got real quick on the ban hammer and banned alot of interactions some twitter and also github. As seen in the video some where critical responses some wheren't no one has any real stats on the split of valid critical to unpleasant, pinch of salt it's the internet and trolls are a thing. The bans begin creating a group of people who believe they have been incorrectly banned and they have a range of reactions like attempting to be unbanned, or posting how they are a donator and have stopped, the usual. Meanwhile this blowback thows alot of responces outside of twitter to both the official discord and the unofficial godot café, both begin damage control and getting more insistent that the conversation be dropped and moved back to topic. Im sure discord bans happened in both valid and in error. Now the discord has been looped in people begin posting tweets containing screenshots of discord chats with a moderator from the unofficial discord with choice offenceve words. What ive seen of theses that have actively searched fhe whole discord and my understanding is that are from an arbitrary point in time and not directly related to this incident. I have no context on the conversation they occured. These screenshots are then posted to twitter and used to condemn official godot accounts on twitter. Following this godot makes a statement as seen in the video addressing the bans by offering a form to request unbanning and distancing themselves from the unofficial godot discord. The comments on those tweets are disabled. Further smaller push back occured regarding the idea of collecting data using the forms and regarding privicy.

[@BananaDynastyX]

Yeah he pretty much exposed himself

[@isaacq517]

like Gamefromscratch said, the Foundation acknowledged they screwed up. They were appropriately contrite in their statement, and they will make it right with the people they wronged, if those people let them do so. This could be a complete non-story, but I predict it won't be because certain people will choose to remain outraged for political reasons, rather than for anything to do with Godot as an engine.

[@QuotePilgrim]

Thor (Pirate Software) has made a couple videos on this situation like three days ago and you should definitely watch both.

[@animejoe4041]

In today's hyper polarized world HELL NO! Stick to talking about what your product is. Back in the 1980's and maybe even the 1990's it was a lot less risky to show your support for different causes. 😆

[@MattEatsMochi]

For some context most people won't have in this situation, it can be very scary when a comment you make garners a lot of unwanted attention and turns into people yelling at you on social media. I've had people call my business and demand I be fired as well as packages sent to my family. I can fully understand the perspective of "block now, sort it out later" mentality and hope that no one else in this comment section ever has to.

[@xPumaFangx]

I am going to support Redot. There seems to be a huge bias against gamers, not game developers, that needs to be addressed. What Godot did was not in the right direction.

[@opposite342]

Reminder to not take the internet seriously lmao

[@game4us_Splatuber]

Redot engine? Wow how fast people can decide to switch things up because of any kind of scandal is interesting.

[@francyi-d]

Pretty radical. Seems like it's the same people who said "it's over, Unity. Now I'm switching to Godot. You may revert your changes, but you won't revert that lost trust!!!". At least with Unity I can understand it. But in this situation... Bruh. It appears that it's not just one side is radical, wow, surprising. Anyway I'm still working in Unity so I don't care that much.

[@mandisaw]

Remember that Godot got an influx of people who were mostly just following the anti-Unity tide. So not surprising that so many are riding the tide back out again 🙃

[@lucasljs1545]

Redot is literally Godot, just a new fork. It is not "radical" if you do small works, you can switch engines in 1-2 days. Radical is dedicating your time to work on something that was already shown to you that you should not trust them.

[@lucasljs1545]

@@francyi-d that's because your IQ is too low to understand the problem here. Godot has text render problems that the community already tried to solve A LOT OF TIMES, but it never gets put on the main branch, because of the people who control the main branch. This here shows how INCOMPETENT these people are, and they have COMPLETE CONTROL over the project, if you think not wanting incompetent people controlling something you need for work is "radical" you just have an IQ problem.

[@francyi-d]

@@lucasljs1545 yes, simply switching engines is not radical. It's radical when you're going to switch it because of situations similar to this (recent Godot incident), additionally loudly letting the world know that you're not with Godot anymore while you just *do small works*. And what about your last statement... It's not radical at all. You could say, roughly speaking that such people are loyalists, but not radicals. Radicals are the guys that I said above about.

[@Dragon20C]

I love godot and this just makes me sad, I really want the engine to grow and become the best engine for everyone, and this is just going to slow down that growth, super sad...

[@CasimiroBukayo]

Godot: ❌ Gaydot: ✅

[@ДогХаус-к8ц]

Fagodot 🤯

[@thygrrr]

A lot of people actually needed banning.

[@garynumber22]

Listen as long as they don't screw up their engine I don't care what they say on twater. I've heard that their engine is both good and free so I want to use it.

[@Kednems]

Say: I will never share my opinion. Then share his opinion about Asmongold 😅

[@Andrew90046zero]

I don't blame em.

[@jacktherabbit2238]

He was referring specifically to the politics. Not asmongold.

[@ICEknightnine]

​@@Andrew90046zero so you align with hypocrisy? because Asmongold aside, that's the criticism here.

[@ICEknightnine]

@@jacktherabbit2238 so controversial morally charged figures aren't political? Guess he can give his opinion on Trump too.

[@Andrew90046zero]

@@ICEknightnine I was talking about it being really hard for Games From Scratch to not share his opinion. Since it’s an opinion he is confident many people agree with, since its simple and to the point.

[@tlemo5859]

I don't know if this is worthy of a whole FORK of the engine, but it's definitely worthy of people getting fired. Community manager and moderators, namely. You never talk politics if you aren't a political organization.

[@ClockworkGearhead]

People are already forking it. Most were contributing (if they weren't being railroaded) and this just gave them an excuse.

[@pankoBreadCroisant]

what was political?

[@Ichthyodactyl]

Nobody is going to get fired. This isn't some kind of rogue CM acting against the values of the foundation, this is the veil slipping. It may not justify a fork now, but it won't stop here and plenty of people recognize that.

[@Ichthyodactyl]

Nobody is going to get fired. This isn't some kind of rogue CM acting against the values of the foundation, this is the veil slipping. It may not justify a fork now, but it won't stop here and plenty of people recognize that.

[@benhunter8551]

If anyone can direct me to a non-woke fork, that'd be great....

[@ego2682]

I appreciate how you covered this topic :) thank you for being you.

[@APa98]

Why not show the context behind the tweet?