10 NEW Unreal Engine 5 Games That BLEW US AWAY [4K]

[@lyndonmarquis414]

A Silent Hill game in the style of Unrecord would be absolutely terrifying…

[@bennyd.965]

🤯

[@Joreel]

It'd be something that would give gamers nightmares 😱

[@ZxrL]

Look up Paranormal Tales

[@lyndonmarquis414]

@@ZxrL If it’s like what I’ve just described, I might give it a miss rn. Maybe when I’m feeling braver…

[@Kal_Kestis]

Or resident evil

[@eddierabinovich779]

If Unrecord would have a parallel horror game (same graphics and style) with VR, I genuinely think someone could get a heart attack from the realism.. I want it

[@SpiderMan-uk1dr]

Some people just want to see the world burn

[@zax7805]

There is a horror game like this hollow played it bodycam horror game

[@404NotFound-tish]

Deppart prototype

[@deepcontractor2452]

the game or the heart attacK?

[@ZeroInDaHouse]

Look up LOST FRAGMENT Trailer 4K

[@Illumas]

Black Myth: Wukong is one I'm definitely excited for, and absolutely want them to take their time to make it really shine.

[@ChineseKiwi]

Yep, as a Chinese guy, grew up on 'Journey to the West' dramas and cartoons thus SUPER keen for this to play out those childhood memories!

[@Sonasic]

chinese mythology nice

[@VGamerKH]

Black Myth: Wukong i'm waiting release for PC

[@Andrewtate200]

@@VGamerKH as if it already released for consoles 😆

[@kingcronecker]

It being a graphical milestone itself, a spiritual successor to F.E.A.R. would be a good template for a horror Unrecord style project.

[@Gerhard_booysen]

man, fear was my all time favourite horror game when I was a teen, I don't understand how it has not been resurrected yet

[@kingcronecker]

@@Gerhard_booysen Yeah, me too. Such a classic. It's begging for a ray-traced remaster.

[@jponz85]

Absolutely loved fear 1 and 2. 3 not so much

[@GYTCommnts]

I was going to comment exactly that. Going back to the roots, something like a F.E.4.R. with the PointMan going to a desolated city, investigating and searching for "the child" that was kidnapped by some greedy corpo antagonist, that unleashed a massive event, with that Unrecord graphics, would be something...

[@oetic5016]

Fear was in no way a milestone for graphics👎🤣

[@dariusz.9119]

Anime Tokyo looks beautiful. Just, wow! Now they need to make an interesting gameplay and they will have a hit on their hands

[@schnitzel_enjoyer]

Sheer weeb determination

[@MegaLPlover]

a compelling gameplay?

[@DavidCowie2022]

Not everything needs to be photorealistic to look good.

[@maurofmf]

They don't even have a game yet, just a tech/art demo...

[@dariusz.9119]

​@@MegaLPlover Shit... You're right, should be "interesting". No idea why I wrote "compelling"

[@Wordgoblin]

I'm hoping that the tools will make great looking games easier so the devs can focus on gameplay, story, and releasing the game without massive game ending bugs.

[@DavidCowie2022]

Note how the original poster is saying "hoping," and not "expecting."

[@Geneticspore]

I wouldn't hold your breath honestly. It's becoming easier to make games look better, but when you have companies such as EA/Activi$$ion who will nickel and dime you at every possible corner. I'm just waiting for them to start charging for patches that fix the games.

[@alyasVictorio]

Yeah! Nanite Foliage is so great it reserve developers' passion and working time for the non-graphic things (gameplay, story, etc)

[@pedropenna2662]

That's our hope. Because knowing these motherfuck*rs companies well, I wouldn't be surprised if they just start to release more games faster, to sell more and make more money

[@Scroolewse]

I'm really excited to see what CDPR can make with a better/easier to work with engine.

[@naveen_malla]

Waiting for STALKER 2 to blow my mind.

[@vaheayrapetyan6028]

Fr

[@Tacitus_kilgore_1903]

It's gonna be a while if at all... several devs have died and I'm sure making a video game is at the bottom of the list.

[@haitex6296]

Bby love yall 🤪

[@bronzin1445]

STALKER 2 looks absolutely insane to the point where it’s giving Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition a run for its money.

[@blakehansen5434]

@@Tacitus_kilgore_1903have they really? I wonder about the metro and stalker people. Just another casualty of war I guess. Fucking sucks

[@Gaurav_kattagyan]

The Sun Wukong game looks awesome. Anyone who has seen the Monkey King movies knows how much potential the game has. That name alone has the potential to become like the next god of war game. A super powered monkey that is immortal, can fly , has a cool overpowered stick , literally beats gods on a regular basis , man I hope the game is good!

[@seanziepoo7495]

Can't wait for Wukong. Super hyped for that one.

[@bigpoppa3999]

It's never coming out bruh.

[@TheZoenGaming]

Unrecord shows proper gun discipline. That's something we need in more games and I'll buy a copy of the game when it comes out.

[@chrisa8148]

With the power that unreal engine brings in creating such visually stunning masterpieces, most of the successful games of this era will need a massive focus on things like world building, character development and narrative if they want to hook players and set themselves apart

[@landonewts]

All these games LOOK incredible, but Immortals of Aveum and Hellblade 2 also look like games I can’t wait to play.

[@logan_sunday]

Really hope Chrono Odyssey turns out well. And I really hope it doesn't end up like Throne and Liberty.

[@dieseljunky883]

That caught my attention the most, it sure looks like a blast!

[@masonambrose1093]

Me too. People were saying how this and The Lord of the Fallen were too good to be true, and I was like, "It's not because it's developed on UE5, so they're supposed to look great"

[@flyingknee23]

looks trash

[@joshuaharms9564]

I really hope it turns out good. But I am pretty sure Force Gaming mentioned in one of his videos that the developer making this game always releases their games on pc and mobile.

[@masonambrose1093]

@@joshuaharms9564 it says this is coming to ps5 too

[@brandonwooldridge1877]

Man I absolutely cannot wait for STALKER 2. It looks so epic and my heart really goes out to the devs man.❤️

[@ramrodbldm9876]

Your heart goes out to the devs 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 cornball you just wanted something to say and type. You've thought about "stalker 2 devs" a whole 2 minutes of your life,😂😂😂😂

[@ramrodbldm9876]

You always have some 🥩🚲 comments smmfh (Jake, I like your shirt Jake)

[@Joreel]

They've literally been to hell and back and the fact they're still making the game says a lot about their passion for it.

[@GoDbax]

I'm so upset I bought a PS5 instead of an xbox. No starfield, elder scrolls, or STALKER 2 😞

[@brandonwooldridge1877]

@@GoDbax at least you get The Last of Us, God of War, SpiderMan, Ghost of Tsushima. Hell I want a PS5 just to play Ghost of Tsushima

[@NorseGraphic]

The graphics gets better while the story becomes samey and stale. You could remove the titles from the games, and you’d have a real problem telling them apart…

[@tonygunk1886]

When you have to show proof that your game is not a real body cam… we have truly reached next gen 👍

[@OhCorny]

Unreal engine continues to make ready player one more feasible

[@marcelocorreascherman9311]

When I first saw Onrecord I really thought it was a recorded airsoft gameplay with some guys in a abandoned building as we usually see in youtube. So far, it has been proven to be a game and I'm cool with it. Hope we can see more games like this and even with other suspense/horror themed as commented.

[@skycloud4802]

Yes I think horror would really suit that style well. Especially with the photorealism, dark corridors, and shaky cam.

[@AndrewEhrenreich]

Seeing all these realistic anime style games reminds me... what ever happened with that DoKeV game?

[@ManusecaKali]

Atlas Fallen ! Wooow 😍

[@Sctn187]

Graphics are nice to have but I wish developers would focus more or gameplay, mechanics, and stability over graphics I'd much rather play a game that looks okay but has great depth than a boring pretty game

[@grass_rock]

Graphics and other works are done by different teams Saying "I hope devs would focus more on this and that" is bs People working on game engines are doing their job excellently and they *do not* make games

[@pumirya]

A lot of pretty games, but only time will tell if they turn out to be good ones.

[@Galvamel]

Fun Fact: AMC's Post Apocalyptic Martial Arts series Into the Badlands is also based on Journey to the West.

[@cthuluchtului650]

It sucks that the series got cancelled

[@spars2425]

Gen 5 keep reminds me of Gen 2 and Gen 3, when you could see a significant evolution in gaming & entertainment industry. But this one has always been our dream, playing lifelike video games..

[@shannonbayley3684]

Jolly good video old sausage. You're the man big haired boss 👊🏼 Was surprised how good RoboCop looks for a small team/budget.

[@csmac3144a]

I was totally addicted to the whole ultra-realistic graphics scene for years. I built a new state of the art rig every few years. So I was pretty shocked when it turned out the best game I've ever played and the most fun I've had in gaming is on the lowly Switch, which is barely 1080p / 30fps with no high end graphical capabilities. Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom simply blows away everything I've played on my 3090 equipped PC, or my PS5. There are great games on those platforms of course, but the Unreal Engine and expensive hardware are absolutely not necessary to experience gaming at the very highest levels. Warning: don't try Totk or you'll question why you've poured all that money and mental energy into Nvidia.

[@PostMortalForm]

I agree with gameplay over graphics, but why not have both? Think how much better totk would be if it had high end graphics as well.

[@csmac3144a]

@@breaddough-vk8gf Zelda is the biggest game in the world currently with 10s of millions of players. It runs perfectly fine at 30fps. I have a 120fps PC rig but right now prefer the much weaker Switch because that game is so great. Also virtually all movies run at 24 fps and people don’t consider that jerky.

[@maniere6604]

high-end rigs will emulate switch games far better than the switch runs. So, in a sense, you did not waste your money and could be playing TotK in 4k60.

[@maniere6604]

@@breaddough-vk8gf yes poly count does matter but if you add reshade and use mods which up internal resolution, then the game looks infinitely better than on the switch, which is what we are comparing it to.

[@stairwaytoinfinityandbeyon293]

Totk is awesome but I have put my money,times and energy on Ndvia to plays more games beside Nintendo exclusives which I don't regret..

[@RovingAfrica]

I Can’t wait for Hellblade!

[@Leftistattheparty]

You can really tell the difference between animation vs motion capote. STALKER 2 looks to be using animation while Senua has motion capture. Senua's motion capture seems to have fixed the uncanny valley issue of the animations.

[@Joreel]

Well they definitely know what they're doing when it comes to crafting a game... Senua was a gorgeous game when it came out and the sequel looks to be even better.

[@REALzackychan]

Stalker is on a whole other level of complexity tho

[@bongo2011]

Anime Tokyo would be a dope vibe if you can create your own character but only the outfits, to match the chill vibe. And you kinda just walk around while lofi plays in the back with birds chirping.

[@AgtX999]

when "small team" makes good looking tech demo, you know the actual studio games should be amazing & the UE5 engine is very powerful & easy to use,

[@pomelomarino7710]

Still, they do poor optimized games or just bad games. Indies and small studios have better ideas than big studios but not enough money. And big studios have so much money used just for release bad games.

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

​@@pomelomarino7710 true, because of that i played mostly games from smaller or indie studios . Only very few games that from big developer or publisher

[@s_ame1135]

Small studios work out of passion. Big studios work out of financial obligations. That's the difference.

[@pomelomarino7710]

Yes i mean there are still good ganes from big studios. But in many cases you need to have a nasa pc, otherwise that "good game" will look like a game from ps1 or just dont work. Basically you need to be rich ir have a 99999999k dollars PC to experience as it is intended. And this is just for the money. They need to release the games to keep gaining and keep developing. So you have a cheap and almost slaver developing (crunch, abuse, etc) in exchange for poor developed games with poor performance each one $70. Indies for $15 are well developed and are done with nothing but time and passion.

[@Hahaaomghedidit]

@@s_ame1135 everyone works for finance reasons

[@silverbluu4971]

Imagine the day unreal engine 6 is released

[@Dezzyyx]

Stalker, black myth, hellblade. The first Hellblade was such a incredible experience, as for STALKER I haven't played the first but I'm a big Metro fan and just games with this kind of eerie atmosphere.

[@prezlamen7906]

Wow ypu have to give all 3 stalker games a go. I literally have them always installed and ready to go. If you like hard core survival horror you could install gamma, a mod for a mod called anomally, which itself is a mod for stalker. Its nuts how good it is, but vanilla is still my fav.

[@Droy5555]

Unrecord looks like a modern Getawat Black Monday . Love it

[@dog1662]

Great videos as always!❤

[@5FmUke]

Black Myth is the chosen 1🥇

[@ShimonVaza]

Yup

[@pepega7019]

Alien isolation 2 would look amazing with all the volumetric fog and crazy retro/future architecture 💦

[@niveketihw1897]

I played the first Senua in VR on PC -- and it was stunning. Made the case for third-person games in VR amazingly well. And you could change the scale from 'it feels like you're controlling an action figure in a highly detailed toy world' to 'it feels like you are a ghost in a highly detailed real world.' Would LUV it if the new Senua also had a VR mode, although it would probably take a 4080 Ti to run at that point.

[@Truth-Justice-Freedom]

OMG! I WANT this 1st-person shooting game! Would save me thousands on real life tactical training courses! Please continue developing and release it on PS5!! God bless y’all!

[@nintendad8168]

i'm loving the action old school type games as a huge souls fan not everything has to be a souls like . I'm happy to see a mix even street fighter , diablo , zelda , FF16 loving the mix of games right now

[@knl654]

CRIMSON DESERT IS ALSO A REALLY IMPRESSIVE LOOKING GAME

[@dctrbrass]

I'm disappointed not to see any updates so far this year.

[@garrett3726]

Why are you yelling?

[@TheSoleDweller]

But Pearl Abyss runs their own *custom engine* on it. It is not UE5, as far as I know. Still, *very impressive* indeed.

[@TheSoleDweller]

Also: *Project Awakening* , by Cygames, running their own Cyllista Engine. Looks dope.

[@OceanSSShark]

1:56 "Yeah, you fight dragons" 😂

[@armyawesome]

The movement of the player and enemies in Unrecord seems too real it’s insane, imo that’s even more impressive than the graphics although those are mind blowing as well

[@chychywoohoo]

Good animation is crucial

[@jonathanhall7223]

Black Myth: Wukong and HellBlade 2 are impressive to look at. Striking even.

[@suryakamalnd9888]

Amazing video bro.. being a unreal engine 5 developer and a computer science student, i hope one day you'll feature my game

[@ratulmahmud2962]

The next generation of gaming will be crazy. Imagine unreal 6 and Apple vision pro 2 combo would be like!

[@spencerthompson]

I am so hyped for Wukong. I’ve wanted this game for a LONG time.

[@jalma9643]

Keep the expectation low and you won't be dissappointed, but i gotta agree with you that i am also hyped by this game, sound like GOW since it used Mythological Characters. Hope it will be good.

[@geniustcx4964]

No matter graphic ، story is everything. .... COD , division , battlefield , gears of war , are amazing .

[@corbinmoore96]

I like seeing Jake do these top tens once in a while instead of falcon, because falcon tends to just compare games to other games and say what you can see on screen

[@watchesandcaps2566]

Nah, Falcon is the man. I hate it when it's Jake

[@corbinmoore96]

@@watchesandcaps2566 that’s a great opinion, I’m glad there are millions of people out there with different ones! The last time I commented saying I liked falcons work I got some hate, so it’s nice to see other falcon fans (don’t hate either one, if anything Jake is more detailed)

[@watchesandcaps2566]

@@corbinmoore96 I don't hate Jake, I just think Falcon's style is better fit for these videos.

[@corbinmoore96]

@@watchesandcaps2566 he gives u the basic rundown, but Jake usually expresses the details better

[@RationalSlave]

Atlas Fallen, Chorono Odyssey and STALKER 2 are my jam!

[@DontCome2LA]

That unrecord overexposure like an acctual go pro is crazy.

[@lyndonmarquis414]

And, man, I am definitely here for Hellblade 2. I loved the first so hard and this looks like it will expand the whole thing.

[@MattSeremet]

Skeptic of unrecord simply because a fisheye view is not ideal for playing a fps but rather for getting highly sharable media, hence why it shows up here. As someone who shoots almost entirely fisheye photos the idea someone would choose that for capturing far away subjects does not make sense. And i suppose you could say this is a close-quarters fps but I remember the original gameplay footage that got everyone excited: shooting out a window at someone like 50 yards away. Seems improbable.

[@Elwaves2925]

I was skeptical not because of how it looked and so on, but because what they showed wasn't a game. Even the so called 'proof it's a game' was just proof of the concept. It was a tech demo, nothing more and there's even a default blueprint in UE that would give you most of the gameplay shown, just without the fancy graphics. There was no game, it was one level, seen from from different viewpoints, within the game engine. Hopefully it will become a game at some point as I'd be interested to see what they do with it.

[@StuartHollingsead]

11:27 They actually put the giant antenna in the game. Kudos.

[@teflon5821]

Fantastic content as always👍👍 always looking forward to the next video👍👍

[@adognamedcat13]

Honestly, (in regards to Unrecord) if the worst criticism of your game is that people think its fake because it looks so realistic, I think that's a good criticism to have!

[@chrislee4740]

I wish they would make a full Matrix Game based on the URE5 demo

[@dreamingacacia]

Would be nice if Anime Tokyo is selling as assets pack in epic marketplace, so that I could play around in unreal.

[@elvishghoul]

Deppart is one that looks very much similar to the work for Unrecorded, and is a horror game work in progress. Loved it personally tbh.

[@lucasetche]

Wukong was one of the best games ive played in a long time.. actually so good

[@MukiMuki688]

The thing that gives away Unrecord is the NPCs has no shadows

[@wissamphysics3417]

I am excited for project M , i hope this will not get cancelled

[@REaDComicsau]

Motive’s Iron Man game is using UE5 and I can’t freaking wait!

[@andrewthrelfall5326]

I've got a Series X gathering dust waiting for Hellblade II... love the first one

[@danielismyname3727]

Yeah but the thing is is that I highly doubt that the series x will be able to run that game as it looks right there they're going to have to really dumb it down.

[@reamoinmcdonachadh9519]

Unreal Engine 5 shares some of shall I say 'idiosyncrasies' of Unreal Engine 4, in terms of performance, like hitches, memory allocation, bugs etc that are not so apparent in other engines that Devs use to make their games. I hope there is ongoing work to understand and address these issues.

[@dukevonflankenheimer9430]

Wonderful collection of cut scenes, thanks!!

[@heroic_daz]

The Unreal Engine is incredible game devs can now literally make a game that is close to realistic which is insane and this engine keeps on getting updated what will Unreal Engine 6 game be like🤯

[@grass_rock]

​@@breaddough-vk8gf you have absolutely no idea what you are saying lmao

[@grass_rock]

@@breaddough-vk8gf this time your reply is completely irrelevant to your previous reply lmao Also you still have no idea about UE5 Do some research before writing bs Or you can just try UE5 by yourself

[@grass_rock]

@@breaddough-vk8gf I don't want to argue with someone who themselves have no idea what they are taking about All you said is just "asset" and some blah blah sht Why don't you try to understand what those demos are actually trying to show? Like real-time fully dynamic lighting or infinite geometry support And what do you even mean by "at the cost of other aspects", "crappy asset", "scripted scene" Also go and learn what a shader is, it is a code that determines how a texture is rendered, it is very important and without it you won't see anything You are some random kid trying to look knowledgeable while having no idea about all these things

[@hinatagamer6655]

Im sooo hyped for Anime Tokyo !! Love the anime art style !!

[@ChrisM541]

Stalker 2 and Senua's Sacrifice:Hellblade will be day#1 purchases for me. Can't wait.

[@aramireu]

I would highly recommend that you look at NC Soft, Nexon, and Netmarble (a.k.a The 3N) with HUGE grain of salt as all of them have bad record for microtransactions and inappropriate customer response. Many of the games that they made and is still in service, is notorious for shameless cash grabs and item drop manipulating like Lineage, Maple Story, Monster Taming, Seven Knights, etc.

[@aramireu]

Can't really rule out any possibility that NC will not put any of that crap in the future games.

[@bowhitmire]

Wish Unrecord could come to PlayStation, looks so real.

[@kpi1281]

Go Gameranx!

[@kineticstar]

Want to touch grass? Unreal Engine 5 can do that for you!

[@glasgowjohn7831]

Now is the time to do a 'the getaway' remake

[@KingDeadMan]

The NPC in Unrecord don't have shadows (or atleast, their shadows are so soft to the point of hardly being able to see them).

[@allanbrunk8723]

This list is apparently my next year. Thank you.

[@anthonyfairow704]

I love I just finished making breakfast and now I have a morning show to enjoy just in time

[@Jay-vp3kk]

I was expecting more games like Unrecord, that's what I wanna see - that amount of quality in different settings.

[@Ben-rz9cf]

Have you guys seen Blue Dot yet? Metahuman animator is absolutely mindblowing.

[@Mr.Glidehook]

This is the perfect tool for Medal of Honor to be reintroduced with a Vietnam war based game. Forget the button mashing mess that Call of Duty slid into, bring back the old school. Saigon, the Tet Offensive, the Battle of Con Thien, Khe San, you can do it all in a way that doesn't dishonor those who were there, adding historical information along the way.

[@epiikkhaosgaming]

U5 is about to take over gaming if developers lean into it.

[@eyvin_helvetia]

My friend working as an outsourcing team for Chrono Odyssey, he said that the game will not be an MMO, it will be cooperative type like in the Genshin Impact, you have your own world, but you still can join others. So instead of seeing hundred or thousand people running around, it will be only you

[@JohnDoe-ij8oj]

Atlas Fallen is not created in Unreal Engine 5. Deck13 uses their own engine called FLEDGE

[@baiisun]

Source? I can't find any devs clearly stating what engine they use....

[@macpieper2141]

I would love to see Stray redone with more realistic graphics on Unreal5

[@theflippestside]

holy shit that unrecord game looks insane. I can't wait to see what games are going to look like on the next generation consoles.

[@IIIceFly]

Crono Oddesey looks insane... does it exist, probably not but I'm still excited 😂

[@rohannvanzyl1585]

Been looking forward to Black Myth: Wukong for a while, but now super bummed when you mentioned it's a souls like game.

[@Chris-xo2rq]

Unrecord needs to be in VR...

[@crtg4672]

So, I don't really have much interest in something like Black Myth: Wukong but I have seen things from it though I swear I thought this game came out and was retooled when Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty, came out.

[@solodeus_rey8548]

Those games with the Unrecord visuals can get this money anytime. This is what I've been waiting for💯💯👀👀😃😃

[@jeffbarker730]

Im an older gamer and have always liked the graphics! Im genuinely interested in all of these games, starfield is one im excited about , then star wars is bringing another one that looks cool. New subscriber here, i truly am thankful for a channel that there description of a game isnt backed by coin 😆

[@HerbalistAce]

That 7-Eleven in Anime Tokyo ain't fooling nobody. That white dragon in Black Myth reminds me of the Elden Ring boss fight haha.

[@Noisyhands]

Do one on sound! “Best old and upcoming games with the best sound we’ve ever heard”.

[@TheSoleDweller]

I would add those (most of them run on IE5 although I am not 100% positive), maybe for an upcoming list: - Blight: Survival, - Ill [as in "I'm _ill_ "], - Quantum Error, - Retrieval, - Shadow of Conspiracy: Section 2, - Stellar Blade (might be UE4), - Vigilancer 2099 [or Vigilance 2099], - Witchfire. Anyway, great list @gameranx.

[@Kadbros]

UNRECORD is the closest I've seen game actually come to being believable to real life. Now the question is can this game overcome that uncanny valley. Cyberpunk came really well too, probably the closest in that department

[@alexelliott7109]

MAN I CANT WAIT FOR ALL OF THESE GAMES!!!! IM FOR THE FUTURE WHOS WITH ME!

[@fluffywarhampster]

stalker is the apex of good survival horror. the original games still manage to scare the shit out of me to this day will being very challenging and deep so needless to say im excited for a sequel even though i've still been having great fun with the stalker gamma mod pack.

[@index_umd]

Gameranx and whoever wants to, there IS an actual horror game from a single dev that has a similar camera movement as Unrecord called DEPPART, its a demo at the moment but u can get an amazing feeling of the videocamera footage.

[@ashcan6]

@7:00-- Dr. Doom has received his own game, I see...

[@Twizzler3294]

Chrono Odyssey firing the “way too good to be true” signal in my mind like crazy. Keeping expectations extremely low.

[@orinblank2056]

If Chrono Odyssey is anything like the trailer, I'm there for it. But like any game that looks that good in trailers, I'm immediately cautious about it. But cautiously optimistic, because I want to be hopeful. Same with Black Myth: Wukong. I've been hopeful for that since the first trailer. Crazy that it's been over 3 years since then