Gamers just got a massive win against the industry

[@sapphireeniigma-8027]

El piño

[@teckard]

The pine. Ggs bro 🗿

[@ricardohoang8452]

Pinho victory

[@EricksinL0ra321]

Yo cuando el piño:

[@Tu-Li-Oh]

El Piño Co Lado

[@AFordFlex2377]

El Evangelion felicidades! 🎉🥳🎊🚔

[@KeltkeGH]

And nothing of value was lost.

[@ux67623]

You can't lose nothingness

[@elilla331]

Many great things gained, the purge shall continue!

[@livedandletdie]

Are you sure about that? I think we've lost something of great value here, but we lost that back in 2008, and that was games journalism integrity. Well it exists outside of classical games journalism media. But yeah, long gone are the days where you go to the store and look for the gaming newspapers.

[@loganbrown3334]

40 gaming "journalists" left. If they're journalists, then I'm a Prince.

[@yurigagarine6998]

No brother. You are a king.

[@Lookingformorefun]

they are just leftoind activists who push pronounces and boob removal scars.

[@KenjaTimu]

40 too many.

[@handleloverkira]

​@yurigagarine6998king gg?

[@lanteanboy]

so be it Queen Logan :P

[@Ability-King-KK]

More and more the tourists are losing. If we're lucky, the Game Awards and Geoff Keighley will be the next to fall.

[@legitrequisite]

Personally, I'd much rather see it become something better than just outright burn to ashes.

[@KawaiiNeko333]

Nah, places like that are basically bedrock. You need dynamite and/or a literal Kenshiro to go ATATATATATATATATAT on the industry. Also I bet Geoff will still be hosting these things long after his physical body is dead a la Futurama head jar.

[@CitrusPeppercorn]

Geoff's been doing that stuff for 20+ years leave him alone.

[@SpiceCh]

For what it's worth, I think Asmon's take on the Geoff Keighley drama with him wanting to copyright "the game awards" was the most sensible. It's an established yearly event - it makes sense to copyright the show. This shouldn't prevent others from hosting professional award shows as long as they're titled differently. People blew this whole thing way out of proportion.

[@veggsbacon1891]

Oh, that's gonna be a sweet victory. 😎👏

[@SpiceCh]

2:00 I mean he's not wrong. We *did* have something awesome for a while there. But that was 20 years ago before everyone was on social media and games journalists stuck to, y'know, reporting on games instead of social media drama for their own ego's sake.

[@geccerloedeguzman4786]

True enough, they were great when they were reporting on the actual games themselves, the actual technical aspect of it like bugs or the lack of it etc. Nowadays it's either how dei compliant it is or lack of dei.

[@RhysCallinan-hf7qx]

I remember getting a few dozen gamer magazines when my school library was getting rid of some stock. Great times of reading actual gaming news. Gone.

[@SiriusGalilei]

@@RhysCallinan-hf7qxi remember reading Nintendo power at my school library every month, and what games were announced. I only watch game trailers now from the actual developers themselves, or through livestreams.

[@sxlg_32]

Nothing screams "loser" more than putting your bluesky handle in your X name and still using X 💀

[@logan_wolf]

@@bladerunner3314 cope

[@limestonereaper2590]

@@bladerunner3314 cope and seethe

[@mohaa556]

Well there is another one that comes real close, it's putting "VTuber, debut soon" in your twitter name or bio and never streaming while posting political cringe daily.

[@bladerunner3314]

@@logan_wolf Yeah, you try and you fail 😆😆😆😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Psychoangel-d23]

​@@bladerunner3314 Kamala isn't going to blow you bro

[@smexijebus]

Games journalism has never been more alive. There are now hundreds of channels dedicated to finding and spreading gaming news. All that’s dying is their little club.

[@rob.3143]

To add to this, they are spreading actual gaming news. As in giving attention to games you might miss out on because they just release without a huge marketing team or shining light on what stupid thing EA is up to and not getting paid to pretend the stupid thing isn't happening. You know, reporting with integrity. The thing journalists used to be proud of.

[@Jeustful]

Trying to make bank by antagonizing their own audience is not a sound longterm strategy.

[@hafirenggayuda]

They reach their position now by bullying and guilt-tripping people on their own closed community, they think the real world work the same

[@SpiceCh]

I'm going to wager that no customer in the history of ever has bought a product for fear of being called a racist if they didn't. It doesn't work. It just makes the target demographic think you're a hostile loser.

[@paulw5039]

The fact that they haven't learned a thing from all this tells me they completely deserve the consequences of their behavior.

[@hafirenggayuda]

Tbf, the strategy works in their closed workplace and community. They're out of touch with how real world works

[@botbaki9303]

It works with countries, but gamers like to watch or read the details.

[@Lupinemancer87]

I can't imagine it'd be fun being on the losing side of a one-sided war. To make it even worse, it's a war you started and have been fighting on your own, with your opponent not even doing anything to fight back. That's gotta hurt.

[@miirico5398]

These Gaming Journos are just grasping at straws at this point.

[@mr.melancholy4973]

Game journalists did this to themselves when they started defending bad industry practices, activists and showing disdain for their readers. No sympathy

[@entropydenied5791]

They never thought about what happens after "gamers are dead".

[@xantishayde-walker4593]

You mean we can't extract money from people who are no longer alive and capable of making said money? I'm shocked, shocked! Well, not that shocked.

[@aeonise]

The natural corollary to "You think you hate game journos enough, but you don't" is "The self-inflicted wounds of game journos are always entertaining".

[@miller42]

Danny O'Dwyer is one of the biggest piece of crap in the gamejourno circle. I remember when he unironically tweeted "You have my sword" to Zoe Quinn when she was accused of pushing a dev to anhero.

[@AMPMASTER10]

Anhero?

[@Greywander87]

@@AMPMASTER10 For context, I believe this comes from a kid who self-deleted and, as one does after someone passes away, one of his friends was talking him up and called him "an hero". Since then, the phrase has been associated with riding the sewer slide.

[@AMPMASTER10]

@Greywander87 oh.

[@miller42]

@@AMPMASTER10 I left a reply but YT deleted it.

[@AMPMASTER10]

@miller42 it happens. I had a comment deleted for mentioning the not so fun camps run by a German painter. It was a comment explaining why a fictional character who was doing the same thing. To be honest forget which one, it was earlier this year. I just remember someone was asking why they were hated, and I listed the crimes. It really annoyed me cause it took me an HOUR. And retyped again. And it got blocked too. KZbin be crazy

[@direccioncinco-h7z]

Alienating 95% of your consumer base to pander to 5% is not only bad business, its so obviously a bad idea that you have to wonder what shady reason they are actually doing.

[@arcanask]

Communism. I know I sound reductive, but that's all it is.

[@blazingfuryoffire1]

My bet is that the games media companies are paying minimum wage and are basically getting liberal arts rejects as a result.

[@madmike171]

Money, gifts and exclusive trips. Give those things to anyone to "review" your game and they will tell everyone its the best and most inclusive game they've seen this decade and anyone saying otherwise is a dirty, alt-right, toxic gAyMeR bRo, because they wouldn't want to miss out on the next bribes. Few years of that journo circle jerk and I can see how they start to believe the crap they're writing, since everyone they interact with on these trips and events are all there for the same reasons so have the same "opinions". I'm glad their industry is dying, gimme sweaty, passionate and hard to please nerds all day because they actually care and aren't in it for the money and bribes.

[@HenshinFanatic]

Also, "it's not about the money, it's about sending a message".

[@loganmedia4401]

Which is why I don't understand why they'd want to pander to the nutters who constantly whine about things being "woke". They're just a vocal minority.

[@GlitchManOmega]

They're right in one sense - gaming journalism WAS something special, up to about 2010 or so. I've got some old EGM magazines from 2004 talking about how great the Nintendo DS and PSP are going to be, and you can just feel the palpable excitement in the writer's words. Nowadays, of course, all that magic is gone, even without the blatant virtue signaling.

[@AlexxHikaru]

Game journalism was on their way of for a long time, politics was just a last ditch attemp to stay afloat with BlackRock money but it just ended up making the process even faster.

[@elilla331]

Politics is what started driving people away. They ruined the escapism to push their agenda and the embracing of the progressive insanity while attacking the core demo finished them.

[@DramaticCrossroad]

Can we have wokalizers and VAs follow suit? Please humble these activists and have them return back to being angsty baristas crushed by student debt.

[@holyroman6541]

What's wokalizers?

[@noone12748]

​@holyroman6541 The Tumblr tactic of playing dumb, most likely done by the type of person OP is talking about lol

[@holyroman6541]

@@noone12748 Oh, wait, I think I get what you mean lol oops

[@noone12748]

@holyroman6541 Oh man, sorry for doing you dirty like that

[@gamamew]

@holyroman6541 woke localizers?

[@JessidGallardo]

Failguard only has about 5k players on average. Forza Horizon 4, a racing game that was released in 2018 on xbox and on steam in 2021 has around 10k players right now with peaks of 40k players

[@daimahou3951]

Isn't Forza Horizon 4 the one that's going to be taken down (not be available for official download due to brand copyright or something) thus people are downloading it and playing before it goes away?

[@tomasheredia9829]

​@@daimahou3951well you see: i don't know

[@NeocrimsonX]

0:33 "You turned her against me" vibe from that title lol.

[@OldManAlex719]

"Gaming Journalists"... What a joke.

[@praisetheoak]

The world is healing 👏

[@miirico5398]

I mean its unfortunate people are losing jobs but Gaming Journalism is pretty much dead at this point since they kept delivering nothing burgers. I'd rather prefer watch youtubers who make gaming reviews/info and such since they are much more reliable unlike these gaming journalist websites/channels. (Not saying theres no amazing gaming journo channels out there though mind you.)

[@ninjaman0003]

i don't agree with being sad just because a person lost a job. if these people did a good job and were suddenly fired with no warning, definitely. but these people sucked at their job and tried to gaslight us so much. screw them.

[@faidzeelhisyamhattar2133]

It's actually fortunate for us that they lost their jobs, since they are simply parasites that contributes negative value to the industry. At least for youtbers, we know they ACTUALLY play the games enough to give their review instead of these "journalists" that literally talks about everything else OTHER than the game.

[@azureaki]

​@@ninjaman0003I think (or hope) he meant the people we didn't see (that were just keeping the lights on, etc.), not the journos themselves. The journos are just facing the consequences of their actions, so they deserve it. The sad part is, it seems their own egos will never allow them to understand that. Ever.

[@vexile1239]

Just keep in mind that a few gaming youtube reviewers are no better then those journos

[@HenshinFanatic]

People? You see these NPCs as people?

[@plumaDshinigami]

I can feel sorry for a good person and employee losing their job, but I cannot feel empathy for a cancer being removed.

[@b.r.52]

An asian (Filipino) view for this, its "journalists" like them that ironically encourage us to seek out streamers and youtubers to give a less "American" flavored analysis of games.

[@AMPMASTER10]

Im an American, and i hate these guys

[@Roy-chiltern]

"American" 😂 you mean stineberg is an American name? Who nose what you're talking chap.

[@tenshishinamori5109]

Less than 40 left? We're almost there gamers! Let's go for 0!

[@johngruta8153]

"No mercy, no respite!" "Assume nothing brothers, ensure they are finished!" -Space Marines, Dawn of War 2

[@nicksrandomreviews]

I'm more of a journalist than these idiots. I actually went to college. Not for journalism, mind you, but I went.

[@GodChaos333]

It's just these game journalists have finally hit the point where noone listens to them anymore. And i mean everyone! Even those who are not political. Don't listen to journalists. Because their works and takes are always completely out of touch. Or just dumb.

[@mitchjones7773]

They ran them into the ground, i miss before these people worked there and ruined it

[@sword4005]

they were doomed the moment they started seeing gamers as the enemy, instead of the customer

[@omittedforclarity]

He's right about one thing: we really did have something awesome for a while there. Until petty dillweeds like him came in and trashed it.

[@terrnoisrp8894]

*playing the smallest violin for gaming journalist*

[@ZeroOmega-vg8nq]

dont even playing a small violin still requires effort. they deserve none

[@jodiepalmer2404]

I broke mine. 🙄 It would rather break apart than play for them.

[@markleftbehind2964]

If they weren't so ideologically captured by their social groups, these gaming sites could be making bank with how mainstream gaming has become. Not to mention how many good games are coming out. Although, this did allow for a lot of great KZbinrs and individual creators to have rapid growth and success, so I guess that's a silver lining.

[@dibaterman]

Ganergate 1 was the warning, Gamergate 2 was the firing.

[@Terrakinetic]

I think at this point everyone has had something culturally stolen from them: Star Trek, Cowboy Bebop, Lord of the Rings, Assassin's Creed, Doctor Who, Warhammer, DnD, Anime Voice Actors, Star Wars, Marvel, DC, Ghostbusters, Disney movies, Magic the Gathering, Dragon Age, Scooby Doo and the list goes on. Anyone not mired completely in woke will feel wroth.

[@loganmedia4401]

More like it is the whiny snowflakes who are feeling wroth because something didn't stay exactly the same or some company failed to bow down to their interpretation of a story. They need to get over themselves and grow up.

[@Terrakinetic]

@@loganmedia4401There's a difference from feeling disappointed or feeling financially cheated. Or from a radical reinterpretation of a narrative. Culture is stolen when they take away when the ones in control say, "You are not wanted. You are not allowed to participate in the creation of this culture anymore." Culture is stolen when they try to retroactively erase important moments they deem inappropriate to their sensibilities. Culture is stolen when they try to take iconic heroes we've looked up to and say, "No. He's not your hero. He's my hero. He's my race. He's my sexuality. Not yours."

[@prydzen]

final fantasy, mass effect, dragon quest for me.

[@jase276]

@@loganmedia4401 Found the fired activis- I mean journalist

[@Arassar]

Danny O'Dwyer drank the Kool-Aid. It's really disappointing.

[@sigmareaver680]

It's just crazy to me how these people have no ounce of self reflection. Their inability to learn from their mistakes is truly its own super power.

[@drakedrago6]

They haven't been journalists for years. Only activists. That's the problem

[@sik3xploit]

Because they thought ESG money was a magical gift that would keep coming, not an investment that would bite them in the ass if they couldn't live up to it's expectations.

[@theguybrarian]

Oh, it's a Nathan Greyson article. Enough said.

[@HenshinFanatic]

Odd, you sure you didn't add a superfluous "r" to that surname?

[@miirico5398]

Good send way W for the end of the year.

[@gressorialNanites]

Games journalism is alive and well. For example, I get most of my gaming news from a small niche youtube channel called Hero Hei. I have no idea what I'd do without it.

[@shirokuma196]

"I'm gonna make an enemy with a lot of people, nothing's bad gonna happen and I also get paid until retirement." Is what's running in their minds before

[@grallonsphere]

The quality of journalism has suddenly improved.

[@scottvergin4732]

“Trying to defend Dragonage the Fail-Guard” I’m not the only one who heard it that way was I?

[@HenshinFanatic]

I heard "the Failed Hard" so, close but not quite.

[@Blindluck92]

"Younger generations have no idea what they missed out on." ...who put the disclaimer on classic Tomb Raider games again? Don't even try that garbage.

[@NicholasLightTV]

Love your videos bro🔥

[@Joe-ug2mb]

dude, we game developers would be ECSTATIC to have these journalists actually cover our games! why do they destroy themselves covering woke bullshit?!

[@rzr0015]

Well well well, if it isn't the consequence of my OWN actions?

[@MUGENZ8]

If these gaming journalists kept their politics and toxic behavior to themselves, they wouldn't be in the mess they're in now.

[@MadocComadrin]

The quote under the title of the Nathan Grayson article is yet another example of these types of people projecting or using the stupid "accuse others of which you're guilty" tactic. And there's definitely more than 40 people left in games journalism. What actually happened is that games journalism has changed and the journalists themselves are no longer necessary. Political stuff aside, gamers can get news directly from companies and reviews or just straight up extended gameplay (enough to make their own judgement) from KZbinrs and streamers, who are also picking up on the financial analysis stuff as well.

[@DZatheus]

Bloodworth is one of the good ones actually. That guy is an OG Journo and I've never read anything even remotely political from him since he started like 20 years ago.

[@Neil.02]

The people you demonize and patronize don't feel bad when your job is at risk? imagine my shock!

[@labbit35]

Their whole mentality is literally“I’m not wrong, it’s everyone else that’s wrong”

[@MeJustMe101]

Aka the "me me me" mindset

[@raikaria3090]

I'm surprised this is related to a Twitter thread; I thought the Journos had all retreated to bluesky; the containment zone.

[@gamamew]

bluesky = Woke Twitter

[@celestirr]

Bluesky's algorithm lets you tune out people you don't want to hear about. They had to stay on X or no one would hear them scream into the void.

[@Anamnesis010]

Future so bright I gotta wear shades.

[@darmandez]

1:57 younger generations W again! Anyone remembers that SpongeBob and that Cuphead review?

[@PenguinDust1969]

Here's the thing. It wasn't always like this with the Alyssa Mercante's and her ilk trading barbs with gamers over social media. 15 to 20 years ago it was very cool. Gamers and game journalists talked about games, good and bad and our passion for the hobby outweighed any non-game related opinions. A genuine love of video games was expressed by the games media and the gaming audience enjoyed their sincerity. That's what's been lost in modern games journalism and that's what's sad for players today. There's valid reasons to dislike games entertainment sites these days, but it wasn't always like this.

[@daviddesrosiers1946]

So, how many of these "game journalist" entities do we want to keep around as a reminder to never let this happen again? Also, forty? How do forty of these entities make such a dreadful racket?

[@arcanask]

Same way one Secretary overthrew an actual leader and ground his people into the ground for it. Lies, nepotism, and subterfuge.

[@wolve2k]

Gaming mags where useful pre internet days... with the large influence of it.. every year the mags lost a reason to exist. They only survived by getting money shoved up their butt by large corps to fangirlie around their new game.. but they pretty much lost all credibility in the past 2 decades, every single year a little bit.

[@themacewens]

Im glad i experienced the golden age of game journalism, where the worst thing that can happen is only a bad review and the people writing were actual gamers with creative articles like Games radars video game character tournament, where it had fights like Mike Tyson luring Sonic into a featureless white van, Etna being a victim of identity theft, and Hulk somehow being the winner after defeating the internet.

[@Theprince034]

A clear example of “it everyone’s fault but my own”

[@fetty__]

Why do these people and companies act like a political party? Aren't their goal to make the company profitable?

[@PudgySasquatch]

the reason journalism in general got this way is because you have a bunch of people with useless degrees and they were looking for work and gaming journalism in particular instead of hiring people who like games hired people with degrees and those people wanted to right about politics in an over saturated market so they just injected it into everything they touched and are now surprised that no one wanted to hear what they have to say

[@Hekk.]

Layoffs happen every day in every industry. Why am I supposed to care about people who are outright antagonistic towards me for who I am?

[@kuros-ov]

The reason they have so much trouble breaking into the KZbin space is because their ability to make a living is tied more directly to gamers. While working for publications/websites they were coasting along with an already established name relying on a combination of publishers funding them for fake reviews and a protection racket against those that wouldn't. If they start a youtube channel and act the same way nobody would watch and they'd make no money.

[@naraku971]

And not three hours ago, some moron in an FB comic book section was telling me how just great Games Journalism is doing. To that, I say LMAO.

[@celestirr]

IDK.. the future looks great to me. The "journalism" has mostly shifted to Let's Players and Streamers who legit enjoy what they're doing and the people who killed the main stream old school stuff are burning out of the industry.

[@OtakuWrath]

Game journalism has been going down hill since the hilarious bad gameplay videos. You know the infamous Cuphead video where the journalist couldn't read the on screen instructions and failed to get over a very simple wall in the tutorial. Remember how a literal real life bird managed an equally hard task faster than the game journalist? There was also the bad Doom gameplay as well. That was their downfall, all credibility was gone.

[@mikomicho9772]

me when im in a coping competition but my opponent is video game journalists

[@meyatetana2973]

Nearly all their reviews are 7 out of 10 which is basically such an average score by them tells me the game isn't good at all. They have never reviewed a game properly not even back in the 90s Nobody went to them before buying a game.

[@SpectroliteDS]

I do still miss some of the "Classic" games journalism type stuff, like some of the older gaming magazines (NGamer/NintendoGamer anyone? Those guys were hilarious!)...but that just makes me hate what we have to deal with now all the more.

[@conductorcammon]

Shiiit younger folks don't even KNOW what we had...Nintendo Power, EGM...went to shit once the web started.

[@Tastehunter777]

"I jumped ship when i saw the iceberg." You ARE the iceberg! The dead weight on the ship that thinks it is integral.

[@djlarrylar7905]

There's not enough room on the Driftwood after gaming journalism hit the iceberg like it was the fucking Titanic.

[@sargehavoc]

We did have something special for maybe ten years... then it was turned into propaganda slop.

[@humrH2360]

Nathan Grayson was a name I never wanted to see again.

[@XaldirGodofGood]

Remember that one Journo who randomly startet crying about Trump and Politics in his PS5 Review (or was it PS4 I don't remember)

[@YokomichiSilver]

was it Ian Walker from Kotaku "PlayStation 5: The Kotaku Review"?

[@XaldirGodofGood]

@@YokomichiSilver I don't remember anymore I would need to look it up again, and frankly I don't wanna at the Moment

[@Re-PhantomZero]

There's less than 1 gamer amongst gaming journalist.

[@groudonor12]

Love that is IGN's loss, they fucking deserve it after posting that shit review on Xenoblade and deliberately uploading a low res video of Metroid Prime 4..

[@Brainreaver79]

i am gonna be honest here,.. the old magazines, were what informed us old guys what was available, gave us a whole cd/dvd with demos to play and gave generally good reviews on games. so with that nostalgia in mind i am kinda sad to see its close its doors forever. but seeing what it has become, and seeing finally die, what should have been dead 10years ago, is great.

[@yumri4]

Really going by KZbin and Twitch you only need like maybe 5 people total to do what the games journalists claim to do. 1 to arrange the commercial rights, 1 to find out what does the consumer want to so, 2 to play the game and 1 to be the editor to make sure all the curse words they say are beeped. "They" referring to the people playing the game not the actual game. That is if you want to really divide up the labor to the maximum possiable amount some do all the parts with 1 person. The game journalist industry that do do what the journalist part is isn't that profitable anymore so having 40 less people which most likely their jobs will just be replace with Caudle or ChatGPT (LLMs that can write entire papers) will begood for the company's bottom line.

[@mawnkey]

All of this makes me incredibly happy.

[@TordenFaaret]

if i tell my future kids about this past decade of videogame journalism, i'm gonna call it the dark ages of videogame journalism. i think that alone sums it up pretty well, i'd think my kids would be thankful they won't have to live through it.

[@EggLordTobias]

Huge Win. Thanks for this coverage.

[@RetroGameSpacko]

I miss the 90s and its actual gaming magazines and journalists

[@dojelnotmyrealname4018]

I would like to remind everyone that it was Nathan Grayson's actions that started Gamergate.

[@shadowcat1606]

You guys realize that the entire anti-woke-stuff cringe is just as much "political brainrot" as the forced "woke" cringe, right?

[@legokirbymanchannel]

They're afraid... _They're afraid!_

[@dannyinferno6747]

1:57 as a danny, i apologize for these idiots

[@00yiggdrasill00]

It is sad when people get layed off like this. If they had even moderate skill at their jobs it wouldn't be necessary. While they are vile poisonous people, I do hope they find somewhere they can be of benefit to both themselves and others.

[@asvoliesharvemasvolies9373]

i do agree with one thing........gameing mag's were great.......i still miss Nintendo power....if you ask me we the fans should do our own fan mag's

[@gloweye]

Only 40 left? If only we could be that lucky. It's gonna be a while until we win that hard.

[@angel0island0ninja]

I don't game as much anymore, more of a cozy gamer now, but back in my GTA SA, Halo, CoD days, I still can't think of a time where I had one single thought or awareness that a "game journalist" existed. What exactly is the "younger generation" missing out on lol

[@TheTSense]

You would think when it is down and over they could at least reflect on their mistakes (which should be easy if they straight up did 100% of it wrong). But no. Zero spine. As if you couldn't look up old stuff and see for yourself.

[@alkie24]

Gaming Journos Layoffs??? more, Moree, MOOOREE!!!

[@fadepanther6224]

It is my honest hope that the games jernos who do nothing but talk about things UNRELATED to games goes away and never returns. I actually remember the days when game reviews talked about the games, not some bs that they made up just to push their own stories. Mind you, that wasn't ALL game reviews as even when they started out, businesses could buy review marks just to bump their sales up. But, that's never going to go away, sadly.

[@DieSerah]

What Great News we have here!

[@tsubasasupremo]

they've brought this to themselves

[@Sh4dowgale]

I remember when I was a teen how much I looked forward to GameInformer. How far it has fallen.