Stop Doing It Wrong: How to Kill Your CPU Cooler (AIO Mounting Orientation)

[@GamersNexus]

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[@asooxbmw5616]

Got the shipping notification for the mousemats that I ordered for my wife and I. Super excited to get them!

[@paulhoeksema7200]

how is your day?

[@santisvander]

Steve! what about front mount, side tubes?

[@GamersNexus]

@@santisvander Should be fine, just make sure the pump isn't at the top of the loop. The air bubble will be split between the top of the tank on each side, which should give you plenty of space.

[@GamersNexus]

@@asooxbmw5616 Nice! Thanks for picking it up! Feel free to email support if you need anything!

[@Ramingo1983]

Oh well... A lot of people are going to open their cases today. Well done GN!

[@animalm4st3r]

i wont i have it front mounted tubes up, and dont have any issues with it. no noise no temp issues

[@BrazenBob]

@@animalm4st3r Same here... I get noise when I mount it up top... and it doesn't fit with tubes down so meh... i'll just keep it tubes up

[@LunarTrickd]

Lol I know I am now... it's funny he specifically calls out NZXT cuz I put the pump in how it said in their manual for front mounted installation...Yikes 😅

[@dash8brj]

I was initially going to mount mine at the front with the tubes up, but got the shits fighting the tubes to make them look good, so I fitted it as a top exhaust, tubes down. So I won't be opening my case :)

[@kalindagwow1550]

I just mounted my rad on the top ahahah literally

[@gabem.5242]

26 minutes, summed in a few words: 1) NEVER put the pump higher than the radiator: it doesn't have the power ("prevalence") to do that and you'll force it to run way faster than it needs to. 2) NEVER put the tubes at the top: you'll fuck yourself by not letting hot coolant rise up and cold one go down, cooling just a third of the radiator instead of all of it.

[@riveraluciano]

So... a lot of us are pretty much screwed then. I mean, if I mount my MasterLiquid ML240RS with the rad up front (tubes up), I'm basically introducing bubbles (and the gurgle noise, which happens but is not very common) into the top of the rad. I don't think I can mount it tubes down because of the GPU, but I'll try it tomorrow, and mounting at the top is possible, but I may not have the space to do push/pull the way I have it now..... It's also rather infuriating to think that, even though I have considered this before, there are no directions on this on pretty much any manual. In fact, it lead me to believe there was some unknown system built in to let air bubbles escape.....

[@jaiivanoff]

if they had longer hose it could work

[@KillFijo26]

I have the exact same problem, looks like going up top is the best option, but I know for a fact that push/pull would be imposible because of RAM clearance issues ( I tried it when I put my system together in the first place)

[@Arygua]

I had to put mine up top. The instructions were garbage and I had no idea what to do because of it just being pictures and poorly made ones at that. Hoses weren't even long enough to put them at the top of the front panel.

[@dvtye3378]

>So... a lot of us are pretty much screwed then. Yea p-much I'm running a Kraken x62 AIO in a fractalDesign Meshify C which barely has enough room to mount the radiator at the front if your graphics card is a long boy. Having the tubing at the top vs the bottom could be the difference in getting that radiator to fit and it's what I'm facing right now. Can't mount the radiator up top cause then it conflicts with the motherboard.

[@roadrage212]

I have a narrow micro atx case. It can't fit a decent air cooler because they're too tall. My only option for managing thermals with an overclock is water cooling but there's no option for top mount and my HDD tray blocks any hope of mounting the rad tubes-down. I'd may eventually get a new case but it is perfect for my desk size. There's zero noise aside from fans and my temps are fantastic, so is there really a problem here?

[@peterrodriguez14]

19:53 this is Gamers Nexus ideal location of pump and radiator inside case to reduce noise (whine/gurgling) and is overall better for longevity of AIO (if case and length of tubing on AIO permits).

[@oisintimon317]

What about if I have it mounted on the top

[@peterrodriguez14]

@@oisintimon317 - that should be fine.

[@jeffreekenny]

@@oisintimon317 top mounted is he's preferred but he said if your front mounting make sure the pipes are at the bottom, if you can't do this then top mount. Is the basis of the video

[@globesnow6377]

@@peterrodriguez14 king #1

[@globesnow6377]

@@jeffreekenny king #2

[@VojtaIsaacTuma]

Helped even two years later with first AIO. thaks

[@CantTreadOnMe]

🙏 Thank you for helping me on my first build, I was so stuck on this issue and it was preventing me from finishing my build. Why was it so hard to find this video when it's exactly what I need for my questions yt!!?

[@lordofolimpia1]

6:19 this looks cool! I hope they make a transparent radiator in the future

[@jonashediger182]

😂 haha

[@jordanfromit5998]

Glass could break and accrylic scratches easily

[@jonashediger182]

@@jordanfromit5998 /s? 😂

[@gorky1317]

Sadly this isn't a conversation to be having with us Steve. Its a conversation you need to have with case manufacturers. No case should ever have the ability to mount a radiator in the wrong place - which would wholly eliminate 98% of bad AIO installs period. No more front mounting them as part of the intake like a fool. No more bottom mounting and fighting the heat by pushin down, or even worse another inlet. Top mount your rads in a case actually designed to fit one above the motherboard - or just don't bother - you aren't getting any value from what you've done. In fact you're literally taking heat from the components and blowing it back onto them - very clever and efficient, I mean nigh on absolutely pointless. 5 degrees when the average CPU only ever hits 60-65C max is not worth $100.

[@isbestlizard]

My aio isn't meant to sound like an aquarium? :O

[@GamersNexus]

Hey, if you like that noise, go for it!

[@pravda9646]

My aquarium is quieter

[@Sir_Corgerus]

Haha bubbles go blub blub blub

[@thealien_ali3382]

@@GamersNexus lol

[@martinhogan9745]

@@GamersNexus having worked with fuel pumps in the past, getting air in the pump also greatly reduces the life of the pump itself.

[@altairiel6335]

9/10 people: *Repositions cooler* The 10th guy: *Flips PC Over*

[@EricTheBroBean]

Haha!!

[@trignite]

Jokes on you, I live in australia.

[@tiny7t7]

@@trignite haha same

[@DerRenevon]

@@trignite you mean Austria... right?! ...RIGHT??? 😂

[@apachon]

Hi, today after changing my psu i had my watercooling do some noise so i inclined the whole thing till the bubble are in top :D

[@riricorp2827]

This was incredibly informative and educated me on the science behind AIO water cooling so I could make more informed decisions with my build. Thank you very much!

[@mkatakm]

Just gravity. Water flows downward.

[@alienzone1954]

fist of all hes kind of wrong with it cus back and top is the exost fans that blow hot air out ur pc now having ur radiator on top ur heating up the cooling as the hot air blow thro the radiator resson for front mounting cus front is the air intake ware it suck the cool air up and with radiator there now u got cool air blowing thro ur radiator cooling the liqued down inside alowing for cooler temp on cpu its phisics and commen sens

[@Thayerman12]

ikr, im thinking of going to liquid cooling, but still yet to find a case i want.

[@alienzone1954]

@RedEye Directive Gaming try corsair case like the the rgb 7000x rgb I think it's called come with icue fans 4 of them and corsair icue rgb box to control the rgb I like it or u can try 1 of there ether case like the 5000D I think it is

[@alienzone1954]

@RedEye Directive Gaming the corsair 7000x rgb u can use a 420mm radiator the biggest thay come in in a aio version

[@WayStedYou]

Tempered glass RGB coldplates? Corsair: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN

[@rusTORK]

Well... there is one interesting material called ALON (Aluminium oxynitride) which is... transparent aluminum. It can be any shape since it use powder. So yeah, small (or not so small) windows are possible to see bubbles.

[@NorthCamZ]

@@rusTORK you put aluminum and aluminium in one sentence.

[@Smakheed]

@@NorthCamZ no, they just misspelt/mispronounced ALUMINIUM (pronounced :- ALU - MIN - E - UM) the second time like all yanks do.

[@rusTORK]

@@NorthCamZ Yep, because for me it's Алюминий.

[@Deukish]

​@@Smakheed en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium#Coinage

[@camdennorris5696]

I swear next year at ces if i see any tempered glass radiators or aios im gonna blame this video.

[@Mr.Breast]

they will be rgb but ngl that would be cool

[@LeftJoystick]

$249 for a 140mm rad. Calling it now.

[@TheNiteNinja19]

Swiftech H320 Prestige, has clear under mounted reservoir and CPU block, and primitive RGB. I still use it to this day, pretty nice unit and fun to watch the water go around.

[@redsquirrelftw]

Considering what case manufacturers seem to be doing with the front of cases I could totally see it lol. 2 120mm fans, with no where for the air to go because there's glass with RGB on top of it.

[@brunsy1990]

Just the rad end tanks would be awesome, great visual check for water flow and fluid levels.

[@DerRusher]

short version: waters goes down, air goes up. your pump is running dry while your system is gonna fry!

[@uygy15]

there goes my 26 minutes...

[@Ash4med]

When did people forget this lol... perhaps only custom water loopers had this knowledge??

[@uygy15]

@@Ash4med its the same principle of holding your water bottle straight and the air stays up top... nothing to do with cooling or pcs. just fluids acting up in a normal manner...

[@Ash4med]

@@uygy15 I didn't say it had anything to do with cooling or computers... I said how did people forget this?

[@Artdeepmind]

@@uygy15 felt like an hour to be honest :D

[@_Paul_N]

I’m currently building my first PC and is gathering all my parts, but had no idea that positioning was that important. I thought you installed your cooler as normal out of the box and everything will run its course 😅. I can’t imagine frying my PC/motherboard from being reckless lol. Thanks for the video!

[@melodawg2k211]

How did ur build turn out?

[@DavidTMSN]

@@melodawg2k211 He crushed it.

[@AFKBIN]

and i just learned something new just before i build my new PC

[@UyeGaming]

I came here to make sure I installed my AIO right.

[@jasonmay1978]

definitely dont listen to corsair about how to mount it. this video made me die laughing. its so bad. corsair should be ashamed. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3jGhHeFedloaJo

[@NapFloridian]

I learn something new ever day... today I learned that even if you drink bleach you are not exempt from getting Covid

[@3jacen]

@@NapFloridian Dead people can't get covid, so I'm not sure you are right about that.

[@vigi1antvort3x41]

@@NapFloridian You really only need to worry about Covid 19 if you don't take vitamins to prevent it.

[@neiljohnelizarde2648]

watch the entire vid for 26 minutes, and check my PC. ahhh sweet. good thing i only have stock intel CPU fan

[@clickbait9744]

🤣🤣 me too

[@Jaden-up3bg]

Lolololol

[@ThatOneDudeNick]

**looks at thumbnail and over to case several times, sweating**

[@Senpaization]

I have my rad front mounted like the NZXT one in the Picture, I am just trying to understand if I should try to put the tubes flipped upside down now or not. I don’t think my case will have room to mount at the top with my 280mm X62

[@ronabitz5156]

Yay I did it right on accident . :)

[@JhustineProvido]

I've been using this orientation on my S340 Elite since Coffee Lake launch. I'm not even worried one bit.

[@rileyblair7273]

@@JhustineProvido to be honest i just moved my vertical because it simply had better cooling in my case. They have 5 year warrantys anyway

[@LunarSky07]

Yeah, I mounted mine like the AIO makers do it... I have a 360mm AIO that can only be mounted vertically on the front of the case so I can't top mount it and the tubes won't get around my 5700XT Red Devil to flip it in the front so I'm screwed. I guess it's a good thing my 3700x came with an air cooler in case it fails on me eventually. I just built this computer last month so I have a long way to go anyways.

[@CMDRRZulu]

He installed windows... On his radiator :D

[@RyuOmega33]

Title: How to kill your AIO... first thing you see is Steve taking a saw to an AIO.... Yeah, that'll do it.

[@CSGhostAnimation]

Imagine spending more money to have more problems. -this comment was made by the air cool gang

[@yes-sey]

I like to see it

[@lmCIoudz]

Your computer is ugly

[@Pyrohawk]

@@lmCIoudz and your cpu runs hotter. This comment sponsored by the big shiny brick gang

[@lmCIoudz]

@@Pyrohawk 9700k at 4.8ghz ALL cores and I never see Ofer 50c while gaming and never over 63c while using AIDA64 100% load. You mad?

[@Pyrohawk]

@@lmCIoudz 50-55c at 100% load, 10700k 5ghz...

[@yeahbuddyd8214]

consumer- I need to rma my aio nzxt- How did you have it mounted? consumer- Just like you showed in you pictures nzxt- Well that was wrong. Denied. Bwahahaha

[@francissauve6685]

They'll post the picture of your PC and use it as a meme on their Twitter support page

[@davogrady]

Ugh…. Looks like I’m gonna have to move my aio around…

[@coltondudley324]

It's 12am and you got me flipping my CPU cooler

[@b00ph]

how should the CPU cooler be? i need to know.

[@RumerJose]

@@b00ph watch the video 👌

[@Straight_White_Fatherly_Figure]

@@b00ph 11:55 - 13:10 - 19:55

[@tutibit]

Lol

[@anotheruser676]

It wasn't 12am but I did too.

[@Magmafire]

My wife: what are we doing today? Me (after watching this video): I'm working on my computer.

[@jochenjo7607]

So truexD adjusting it perfectly makes me happy and i can sleep wellxD

[@TminusDoom]

i turned mine around while watching

[@rashaadadam3359]

saw this video late last night ... and first thing the next day changed the orientation ... it looks uglier now though

[@heretustay]

@@rashaadadam3359 but safer 👍

[@eiszapfenderwutendenwinde3233]

Divorce letter incoming.....

[@robertnees9781]

Just turn the whole case over 😎

[@wipeout2098]

"Have you tried running your PC upside down?" should be the AIO manufacturer version of "Try turning it off and on again."

[@HarmonyEdge]

Or use an R-ATX configurable case like some of Be Quiet's Dark Base series... 😅

[@soad11dude]

500IQ plays

[@potatoCris]

i actually did that XD the front of my case is at the bottom

[@richhere5392]

omg i just turned my case over and my temps went to 30c to 26c but i still going to flip my radiator or maybe mount up top if that what he said worked too but thank for giving me that idea my case looks funny upside down right now tho lol.

[@brianemmons1206]

Just wondered if there is a follow up video for the AIO coolers that have radiator mounted water pumps like some MSI coolers

[@marcinzielinski2555]

I have one from MSI and I see that no one touch this subject to explain.

[@ZodaSoda]

totally gunna be acrylic and glass AIOs now...

[@GSXone]

The push from GamersNexus got case manufactures to bring back mesh cases, now we may see RGB tempered glass AIOs. AIOs may start looking like mini custom loops now. On a serious note, I really wanna see a case manufacture bring back side mounted fans. Come on now, you guys can bend glass. I don't see why you cant put a 200mm fan on a side panel.

[@SA-pf5rw]

+Germaine Breakenridge it won’t look that good,

[@pravda9646]

Please 😍

[@joefowble]

A way to sneak in more rgb, so probably. Hopefully with very short warranties because folks will see the air pockets and think it's leaking.

[@somedude2492]

@@GSXone why would you want side mounted fans though, they're a pain in the ass and disturb the airflow going front to back of the case

[@22TheJmans]

Just flip your PC over - Verge

[@tyonorshapzc7tjfvb7-caz]

^_^

[@pupkorn7111]

Would this be a viable option if you cut a hole in the desk/surface that you ARE putting the pc on? That way the exhaust fan isn’t suffocating when you flip the pc and all the usb lines can fit through easily with no problems. 10/10 would look wack kek

[@ProcessedDigitally]

Simple... Lol

[@RaichuAM]

Cases with USB front panels on the top of the case : "Am i a joke to you?"

[@wenethmoon6587]

Just move to Australia 🤣

[@isaactan5790]

Edited to include that this TLDR is just a quick recap for those who have watched the whole video and have a full picture understanding of the reasons why and why not. I STRONGLY encourage viewers to watch the whole video and the follow-up (kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoaadWmvlLaMmas) and not to start panicking about their set-ups. Apologies to Gamers Nexus and everyone for any misinformation this comment might have caused. TLDR: Top-mounted radiator: Yes Front-mounted radiator: make sure the tubes are coming out from below, not the top and make sure the pump is below the highest point of the radiator. Bottom mounted radiator: don't. just don't

[@iyanbee736]

too much talking. They could have made it this simple

[@ThePersonalPC]

how about back mounted ?

[@R0BIN_]

@@iyanbee736 he should have made a summary in the start and then for the nerds have the rest

[@R0BIN_]

@@ThePersonalPC same as front, have tubes on the bottom

[@bitelaserkhalif]

Just in time, I modified my PC case to have a 120mm fan on top This will be used for radiator later on

[@Zosu22]

Manufactures be like: “Hmmmmmm tempered glass liquid RGB coolers... Great idea!”

[@GamersNexus]

DON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS!

[@SuperSeigerman]

@@GamersNexus well you kind of gave us the ideas first... Thank you for giving the Industry such good ideas

[@GamersNexus]

@@SuperSeigerman We don't want credit for this! Shh!

[@Rainbow__cookie]

@@GamersNexus imagine rainbow water with gliter in it perfect to that unicorn build

[@dakoderii4221]

@@GamersNexus Too late! R&D is on it.

[@hashbiasshate8904]

Always wondered if radiator orientations mattered, but all the other videos only talk about thermals, and not about what happens to the radiator and noise etc. So thanks!

[@Skelath]

Considering this, why do thermal coolers not make any trickling noise, and why does orientation not matter? they too have liquid / air inside.

[@jaalan7896]

@@Skelath What do you mean by thermal coolers?

[@Mr1Tanker]

@@Skelath Such a small volume of liquid that "changes" properties, from liquid to steam, then back again.. as it falls to the bottom of the heatpipe. Additionally, the liquid is "moving" by gravity, and not a pump... giving no mechanical noise.

[@justinschmitz6921]

@@Mr1Tanker To add one more point to this, it's also moving via capillary action - i.e., it's not "dripping", and more flowing. As an example, when you turn the sink on and hold your finger in the water stream pointing down, when you move the tip of your finger, the water sticks to it and gets redirected. When the water is flowing like that, it doesn't make any noise - all the noise is from the aerator, or the stream hitting the basin of the sink.

[@kcocgibkcusuoy]

@@Skelath because passive cooler have no mechanical pump to list the fluid in the heat pipes, it works purely off evaporation (I want to say convection, but I think that's technically incorrect). The only moving part(s) would be the fan(s) and that's a whole other discussion...

[@amritcheema8739]

he never stopped talking in this video

[@richard28251214]

:D

[@a.ellahi3745]

He took a breath at 2:50 😅

[@Prawnedzor]

could be an auctioneer

[@amritcheema8739]

@@a.ellahi3745 that was a silent fart lmaoaoo

[@MrSiLenTb88]

I'm 1 minute in, and holy crap! It won't stop lol

[@yasdi8960]

Hell yea. They shorten the life of AIO's to keep selling you them 😂

[@the5starx]

11:49 for correct setup EDIT: "Best" Setup. Having your radiator vertical with tubes at the top works fine as well

[@elfo7]

So that is the best choice?

[@nickjensen4385]

@@elfo7 yes that is the very best way you can do it !

[@becksvideoproductions]

@@elfo7 The key is to ensure that the pump is NOT at the top of the loop. Tubes going into the top of the radiator is fine as long as the actual pump is lower. This message gets a little lost in this video with a great deal of detail. The goal is to avoid air in the pump and the way to ensure this is to apply physics - air will always move to the top of the loop.

[@gradyyoung1434]

@@becksvideoproductions thank you. I love GN but sometimes rhe main point is missed in data!

[@becksvideoproductions]

@@gradyyoung1434 Actually Jay did a followup video explaining this very topic, for the same reason :)

[@THEpicND]

Woah, this isn’t 4 in the morning... is this even a gamers nexus video?

[@emmata98]

for me it was 4 am at release ^^

[@andrewpowers3717]

pc is totally silent now. Amazing.

[@Nailbunny1000]

I've had so many people dismiss me as an idiot for telling them their coolers are mounted improperly. This video feels downright vindicating.

[@falxonPSN]

Time to send this link to all of them with a comment stating "I told you so."

[@faux_grey]

likewise

[@johnnyflech5910]

what if i cant mount it with tubes down, i have a 280mm x63 in a h210i the pump is mounted properly tho

[@noelius4481]

This is a big "I told you so" for those people. 😂

[@Jarb2104]

@@FcoEnriquePerez The proper answer to that is "Air is also a fluid dumb ass".

[@Saaurier]

Who's ready for the new tempered glass liquid RGB coolers?

[@qorso]

instructions unclear: I flipped my pc case upside down

[@Ultimaus]

Thats way easier

[@damianpasfield4338]

Did it work?

[@djm-wu7ov]

😂

[@Hawky2947]

Not sure if optimal for mechanical hw like HDDs. Other than that, in my amateurishness, it should work!

[@----.__]

@@Hawky2947 You can mount mechanical drives in any orientation, it's all good.

[@turinsbane4200]

I picture these corporate marketing reps having mini panic attacks every time they get a notification that GN has posted. "My god, the thumbnail has TWO skull & crossbones. Issue a code red and convene the marketing team immediately for an emergency meeting!"

[@gr33nn1ck7]

😂😂😂

[@TheNemanjaZe]

And they should! 🙂

[@joerivanlier1180]

This is the first time I've seen a "STOP DOING" clickbait type titel that I actually was doing wrong. Shut down the pc* and flipped the radiator. And yes the boot up blub was removed, and no more gurgles.... And it even runs cooler, though that is very very likely to be mainly caused by the fact that while at it I removed the radiator's winter coat.... What's even worse, I work in oceanography and know my way around turbulent flow... I should have known, but never actually thought about how to do it, just mounted it and it (kinda worked). *By shut down I mean tried swapping it hot, then decided I needed a bit more room and pulled the cords out of it.

[@dragoonpreston3]

I say don't feel bad. It's not your fault that case suppliers provide bad info and the product documentation isn't the best. Blame marketing for not making sure the info is well known enough. It's not your job to be thinking about PC parts, it's the people supplying them.

[@Chris-hn4lp]

This is frustrating for me, mine is set up in a way that is not ideal although not the worst according to this video but the water lines on my Aio aren't long enough to install it any other way.

[@ghostrider2214]

I had no idea this was even a factor and me and someone had a long talk about air in the lines when I was building it my opinion was that the air would be better at the top near the barbs ala nzxt config but they thought it would be better for them to be in the reservoir. Mine is mounted on my 2080 and I'm really curious to know how much of a difference it might make because I don't really have any complaints atm.

[@GamersNexus]

Really cool that you work in oceanography!

[@TheFornesto]

My uncle is the training office for oceanographers in the military. So salute to you!

[@rossmanngroup]

I am going to check how hihi put my office PC together after watching this. Thank you for this!!

[@llll-lo6jj]

Yo, what are the odds I found your comment? :)

[@crazycoffee]

Oh hi Louis lol.

[@hiruharii]

You too huh?

[@florbfnarb7099]

Your office computer is liquid cooled?

[@GrinFlash007]

@@florbfnarb7099 "Dota is very poorly optimized and demanding AAA game". Hence it's liquid cooled 😉

[@cassidyb16]

The problem I find is the tubing on these AIO coolers is nearly always too short to mount them properly with the tubing at the bottom of the radiator as described in this video. If the manufacturers would just make the tubing a bit longer this might actually be a possibility, but pretty much every build I've done that isn't top mounted has to be upside down due to the pitifully short length of tubing provided on these units.

[@TobiasKryze]

Luckily all the ones I've used by coolermaster were long enough, love them

[@jamisonmunn9215]

4 cases and I dont have one that could mount properly.

[@TobiasKryze]

@@jamisonmunn9215 just seems crazy to me lol I've built maybe 13 or 15 cases in the past 2 years or so. And never had any issues. The inky issue I've had so far is actually with my personal build. The hoses are too long for the mesh 2 case I have by Lian Li. So they look ridiculous, bit annoyed by that, but it's by corsair, the liquid ice 3 fan rad

[@jamisonmunn9215]

@@TobiasKryze i am going to try again tomorrow. It could just be because I only have the cheapest mid tower cases and a pretty big GPU.

[@TobiasKryze]

@@jamisonmunn9215 ah, yeah that could be it too, could depend on your definition of upside down.

[@thezyrex5692]

Me: Looks at my computer My computer: don't even think about it

[@BGIANAKy]

same with mine. I have to keep my 240 fans going to the top of the case for the cpu. Then my gpu aio is going to the back which works fine. Ive never had issues though

[@thezyrex5692]

@@BGIANAKy I reconfigured my 240 Castle just out of fear 😳😳😳..... Fear..... Fear based on thumbnail hysteria

[@nomad8166]

Ctrl c + Ctrl v

[@Codeth1986]

god do I feel this

[@Vary180]

hahahahaha same

[@ShovelShovel]

Damn why didn't anyone tell me this 5 years ago

[@mig23zcyther]

Beats me. Had mine front mounted with the the tubes on top.

[@fran117]

@@mig23zcyther ikr, i havent seen a front mounted 360 rad with tubes below on the internet, ever! Well he said the only issue with front mounted tubes on top is the noise, mine doesnt do it, so i guess were fine?

[@mig23zcyther]

@fran i hope so too! I have a 280mm nzxt x62 that i got 1 1 1/2 year ago so hopefully it will last a couple more years or at least by the time I’ll decide to replace it with a new one. 😅

[@JugemuJugemu123]

@@fran117 yeah same mine doesnt make any sound except for the fans that i have on them. plus its impossible for me to front mount with tubes on bottom because of my gpu and case size

[@mikeramos91]

@@mig23zcyther right? I had no idea. Had mine mounted front case with tubes top & it works fine. Haven't noticed a noise other than the fans

[@notchipotle]

I just flipped the whole case and realize that I'm not using an AIO

[@akonitony2]

I flipped my house, and it seemed to fix the problem. Bong water, anyone?

[@AAWT]

Can someone tell me if mounting the water block (the part sitting on the CPU) upside down is a problem?

[@camustein5233]

@@AAWT probably? If the air pocket forms at the side where the CPU contacts, conductivity will decrease. Although it might vary on the structure, Even a tiny air pocket on wrong place might be crucial as it would be a dominating factor of thermal resistance. On the other hand, high flow rate near the pump might prevent air from accumulating.

[@rafezetter8003]

Just bought my first water AIO and after reading around was starting to have doubts about installing it because of so many people complainign about gurgling and pump whine etc. I had all but decided to return it in favor of the "big ass noctua" that's proving so popular (and MUCH cheaper), however it seems it could well be they were all just mounted wrong.

[@dumbodum]

@Thomas B LTT did a test and found air coolers beat most AIOs anyway

[@giornogiovanna734]

@@dumbodum the air cooler featured in the video wasn't a random air cooler but rather the best one noctua had to offer. More often than not AiOs beat air coolers

[@MrIgorasty]

bought kraken 6 years ago and i’m using it wrong ?😂 still is quite and efficient. buy aio!😊

[@TheBacontarian]

@Thomas B plus if the air cooler has 2 fans, its very unlikely both would fail at once, the other fan will probably be enough to keep it running

[@derelictdiva]

The noctua n15 is comparable to many 240 or 280 rads in terms of cooling, thermals and sound, based on GN charts from most recent best of video. It can’t compare to the 360 or 420 rads, but if you don’t need that much cooling, then that kind of air cooling is totally viable. GN tested the n15 with a i9 12th gen, so it was up to cooling that stock. I like the safety of air cooling - I personally prefer parts that don’t have even the potential to fail in a way that will damage other parts, but that might be my engineering background. I am thrilled aio are so so much more reliable than when they first came on the market tho.

[@beaten_tech]

Imagine if the just put a sticker on the radiator "this way up"

[@darkphoenix7225]

That's actually a really good idea, could even make it one of those plastic peel things. Everyone loves those things right?

[@shawnpitman876]

That wouldn't fix things if people mount the rad lower than the cooler in the case still, would still make the pump the highest point in the loop.

[@RicochetForce]

I'd stamp it into the radiator along with instructions to mount the radiator above the pump.

[@TestECull]

Imagine if they would put a bleeder port on the pump and on the radiator where, regardless of how you had it mounted in your rig, you could bleed the air bubbles out of it and top it up. The whole problem arises because these things are a bitch to bleed and have a ludicrous amount of air trapped in them right from the factory.

[@TestECull]

@@shawnpitman876 Couldn't do that on my PC. Nowhere else to put optical drives, no vents on the top of the case. I'd have no choice but to put it on the floor of the case somewhere...and probably put a bung in the pump body where I can just back off a screw, bleed out the air, top up the coolant, and plug it back off again.

[@alanherrera5421]

Physics: you ignored me, and where did it take you?...back to me...

[@chriskaiyaraj4888]

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[@Aurora_Dorealis]

Unfortunately, front-mounted, tubes-up is often the only way a particular liquid cooler will fit it a particular case, either because there aren't appropriate mounts anywhere else and the tubes are too short for tubes-down, or because there's an issue with clearance related to the motherboard or the RAM that prevents mounting it in the top of the case.

[@GamersNexus]

Yeah, that's a common issue, unfortunately. The good news is that it mostly causes noise and is less likely to cause long-term damage (but the noise may become annoying over time).

[@dustanbrd]

@@GamersNexus Yea when y'all showed Barb's at bottom it didn't look like a graphics card would be able to fit in there is that why it wasn't installed.

[@serithvastyne2055]

Can confirm that this is an issue with my Liquid Freezer 2 280. The tubes are too short for tubes-down but luckily GN below says it's just a noise issue for the most part and I honestly don't really hear anything from my AIO so I guess it'll be fine for now?

[@jno4159]

This is my problem. My GPU is in the way. Good news, none of my PCs AIOs are bottom mounted.

[@notmyregret]

@@GamersNexus You would think that manufacturers would say something about it but ehh...

[@ViciousXUSMC]

One question to comes to mind that I didn't see in the video, or a quick browse of the comments section is the tub orientation of the pump/cooling block. They can go in 4 different directions for 3 different orientations. Tubes out the top of the cooler, the side, or the bottom. Is there any real impact on that orientation of the tubes on the cooler? I saw tubes down in most of the "good" examples, but if we are trying to have air travel up and away, it seems tubes up would be the best placement possible, and tubes out the side the second best?

[@cwill2127]

Might not be understanding your question fully, but if I am then the answer is no tube orientation does not matter. Assuming the rad is positioned higher than the block/pump (or with rad tubes down) it won’t matter from the noise perspective. But if you’re talking thermally then also no lol. We can say this because flow rate is the same throughout all points of a loop (both closed and open loop (series, not parallel) for our purposes). Also, while loop order can matter for an open loop with higher power components, you can effectively ignore it for lower tier components in an open loop. For this case being an aio and only cooling the cpu, the order is fixed and obviously you can’t change it. Since the temp will basically equalize throughout all points of the aio tube orientation would not matter.

[@m0rph3u5.]

This is the video that literally changed the shape of thousands of PCs since the day it was released and for the foreseeable future.

[@andrewb5894]

Hi. He's right and wrong. As long as the cpu pump is lower than the highest point of the tubes on the rad, it's fine. Hot or warm coolant will rise faster as it's molecules are more spread, and it will have no issue travelling upward if the top of the raditior is higher than the pump, in a closed loop. Once the hot coolant is at the higher point on the radiator, gravity will let it fall down into the rad, and cool it as it fills with enough pressure to send the cooler liquid back up. Once running it won't matter. Only the initial cycle likley which has low load anyway. Provided there's no leaks and pressure is maintained, it should make almost no difference... It won't kill your pump, in a healthy loop and properly filled one 🤷

[@Nick-GR]

No it didnt. People who are technically aware, knew this shit long ago.

[@loveisanopendoor5745]

@@Nick-GR Then people who weren’t as technically aware is now informed so yeah, this video still would have shaped thousands of PCs. Your comment is pretty irrelevant.

[@ICCUWANSIUT]

@@loveisanopendoor5745 shot himself in the foot with his own words lmao

[@mystikarain]

I built PCs and repaired them since the home PC was introduced, I started with Tech when the Atari game console was out and was the go to repairer in my neighborhood. I also tinkered with cars my whole life and know the orientation of a car radiator, the thing is I learned how these are installed correctly from working on cars. I am not a genius I just know the physics of how a pump for a radiator in a car works.

[@uss_04]

NZXT: How did your AIO break so fast? User, Crying “YOU! I learned it from you!”

[@FAoNTomAs]

You forget a detail NZXT wearing LTT Shirts! (Do as I say, not as I do)

[@EnlightenedSavage]

Wow , nice reference.

[@MixieMew]

I just built a NZXT H510 system, while its very nice looking, it was the most painful to work with. and my AIO is mounted with tubes up. am going to try and readjust later.

[@MrHussain99x]

@@MixieMew same here, fitting a 280mm radiator in there was so tedious

[@realwhatbrains]

Yup. Literally on the day of install. Went to their website. Me: “surely they wouldn’t improperly install it on their own website..”

[@Anthony-qt8wv]

I just built my newest PC a few weeks ago and I am so thankful to find this video! I installed the AIO cooler just like you said . I have a cooler master 280mm with the tubes down, going up to CPU. I am having no problems at all! Thank you so much!

[@otallono]

how did he help you if you already had it on correctly

[@davidkajan176]

Hello so you have tubes down and it’s going to be good for me? Tubes are long enough for cpu??? To rich the place for pump???

[@doltBmB]

I'm several minutes in and I still have no idea which way is supposed to be the right one.

[@Darr247]

Mount inlet/outlet tubes at the bottom of the heat exchanger; top of pump mounted at least a couple cm below the top of the heat exchanger. Any air in the system should eventually collect and stay at the highest point of the loop, which ideally will be the 'tank' space at the other end of the heat exchanger from the inlet/outlet tubes.

[@excuseyou1526]

If sideways, tubes down, if at bottom of case, don't, if top of case, orientation irrelevant

[@healman1000]

The right installation starts at 13:01

[@Zarnubius]

@@healman1000 phew. I top mounted on a whim and was right lol, mostly just to help move the exhaust upward.

[@BKnight_]

I'm nearly at the end and still have no idea what orientation is right...

[@98JamesNixon]

I honestly never knew this, I always have mounted my AIo’s with the tubes coming out the top mounted at the front of the case! I always did this due to the manufacturers photos/ from seeing other you tubers do this, crazy how know one has mentioned this before

[@AM-mk3zc]

that's physics! GN has only explained it :)

[@navithefairy]

Aren't the hoses too short anyway to put the tubes on the bottom in a front mount situation?

[@ryanmalin]

@@navithefairy depends on the AIO and the case, sometimes yes

[@escalator9734]

@Erich Ly that's a nzxt design problem. They know it, they probably did it on purpose.

[@escalator9734]

@Erich Ly If it's secured and it works, It's not a problem not to do it the "right" way Glad you found a solution

[@coffinspired3092]

The lengths y'all went to for the purpose of proving a pretty obvious point about AIO's is insane. You're all insane - I hope you know that. And that's why we love you.

[@NerdTouchingGrass]

I also think AIOs should have a fanless option for cheaper so you can get matching fans if you dont like the fan design they use but maybe im just crazy

[@aungsan7541]

I agree but that defeats the purpose of aios. I mean it quite literally stands for all in one. So everything in one package. Though I do wish they sold aios minus their fans as I want to replace my aio fans with lian li ones

[@Marcelis]

@@aungsan7541 It wouldn’t defeat the purpose unless it was marketed with the intention of never adding fans, which wouldn’t make sense. Giving the option of customization seems like a great idea.

[@aungsan7541]

@@Marcelis dont get me wrong i agree, i just built my first pc and i replaced the fans which came with the aio. that alone cost me an extra 95£ and left me with also 3 spare fans, I would have loved to been able to customise. Just a shame that they dont let you do so, or sell just the pump, tubing and rad

[@joshuachesney7552]

I've been looking everywhere for the answers that literally only this video provides. I'm building with an AIO for the first time in two days. I did so much research and was convinced until this moment that tubes up vs tubes down didn't matter for front mounted radiators. I'm so relieved to have GN finally provide a definitive answer on this, yet pissed that AIO has been around for God knows how long and only now is there a correct answer floating around as to how you're supposed to mount your shit.

[@alanpeterson2913]

I'm in the same boat. Just got my Arctic freezer II (finally) and have been looking for such a guide as this to know the best way to install it. Once again GN to the rescue!!

[@mrdali67]

Very good info indeed. So just to make it clear ... If you have a Corsair H100i Titanium RGB cooler (like i just build) .. mounting the radiator as Corsair shows in their mounting instructions for the 465 case in the front with the tubes at the top!!!.... The correct way would be to turn the radiator around with tubes down .. Is it still ok to have the tubes come out at the right side of the cpu block/pump so you still see the "Corsair logo" the right way ?? I'm amazed that even the companies building the things show you an incorrect mount in there mounting instructions. But hey if we botch the mounting up like they instruct us too they "maybe" sell more Aio's if the user don't switch to another brand the next time. I have had no issues with water gurgling for the week the machine has been running. The Corsair Aio and their LL fans arent the most silent around but its ok as long as you don't have a very demanding cpu that need higher rpm to keep cooled. I am currently hitting in the upper 60's degrees on my R7 3800X package when under 100% load (67 the highest I've had), while having no higher readings than 35 degrees from the Aio. I take that is the water temp it messeures ? These readings are with all 5 Fans in the system set to "Quiet" If I hit Extreme settings tey drop to around 30/60 degrees. But if the Aio will live longer, I'm gonna flip that radiator. the tubes should be long enough. I just wonder if they have made longer tubes on the H115i if you have to go all the way from the bottom of the case and up to the cpu, think the H100 would have a problem. But as these 3 Fan cases often have a psu shroud that covers 3/4 of the intake from the lower fan, noone in their right mind would place a 2 fan Aio in the bottom of the 3 front fans. Plus on the 465X case from Corsair I'd have to remove the HDD case to have enough clearance for an H115, why I saved a few bucks and went for the H100. Thanx for a good video Steve. You propably didn't have the time, but next time just to clear it all out for the buttheads or non english native viewers of us, show a few shots more of correct vs incorrect mounted tubing configs for both front, top and back mounts of the Aio's. As I see it the bottom mount would propably only be needed for those ultra compact cases where you just barely can mount the Aio at the bottom.

[@enfeeyano]

I thought only about air intake or exhaust & front/back fan mount, gamer nexus deserves big brain tutorial award.

[@paulfairchild8942]

@DispelTheMyth Steve answers that in the follow-up video. Orientation of tubes coming out of the pump makes no difference.

[@francissauve6685]

If you mount it at the front with tubes down, you'll have better cooling and noise levels

[@KatsuAbe]

I live in a hot region and my idle temperatures dropped 10C just changing the radiator position. Thank you, Gamers Nexus.

[@Marblewho]

Katsu Abe what orientation did you have it at before?

[@KatsuAbe]

@@Marblewho Front, but the tubes at the top. I have a 9900KS and it was impossible to do any stability tests (I was doing some undervolt to drop the temps). Now i can do some tests and the temperature not reach 100C

[@KatsuAbe]

@Nome Cognome Yes, you are right. My case have some opening for airflow. It gets a little too dusty with time but nothing i can't clean easily.

[@silencewench9520]

Front, Radiator Tubes at the Top and Pump Tubes Position? Down, Right side, Up?

[@KatsuAbe]

@@silencewench9520 Pump tubes at the side.

[@erok_]

101 on how physics is annoying with liquid cooling, and how to and not to kill your water cooling loop/aio.

[@SolarianStrike]

This mostly applies to AIOs. In custom loops you generally have a reservoir/pump combo where the pump is always under the Res and will always be submerged.

[@diypedalindonesia1369]

Is it possible because the plate removed, so the air fill up the plate because there is too much room available? The plate room should be tight because of the coppper, so the water tend to fill every space in it, and there should be a lot less air in it. Perhaps

[@Maisonier]

hmm ... after seeing all this, I'm keeping my Noctua Nh-d15 ..

[@zarmaanful]

Best cooler I ever used!

[@Maisonier]

@@zarmaanful My Nh-D15 is bent down, like ... because gravity ? what the ...?

[@zarmaanful]

@@Maisonier what?!

[@SpacialKatana]

If you're not using a Noctua air cooler you're a bell-end :P

[@mortaljorma69]

Just got rid of my D15, ugly as hell while winning maybe by 5 celsius compared to my aio.

[@tev4821]

Undid my rookie mistake and flipped my Radiator just the other day, it’s quieter already and looks a lot better. Really nice to know *why* it’s quieter, better temps etc.

[@GamersNexus]

Excellent! Great to hear that it helped!

[@t_pagz]

@Gamers Nexus On a top mounted rad - does it matter what orientation the hoses are in on the pump itself...side, top or bottom?

[@shawnpitman876]

@@t_pagz No, the rad is still the top of the loop.

[@TechyBen]

"Don't blame the KZbinrs..." Jayz2cents has left the chat...

[@awilliams1701]

He usually does open loop which won't have the same problem due to having a reservoir which should be where all the air is. I've never paid any attention to how he mounts the few closed loops he does occasionally use so I don't remember if he does it wrong or not. lol

[@TechyBen]

@@awilliams1701 Just his builds/videos in general. Though I myself also break about twice as much as I actually complete. :P

[@Stevon2012]

Jay2cents left the chat because he has to rush to the studio and remount all of his AIOs!!! But you got to love his channel, b/c he's certainly not afraid to break stuff...

[@raidermaxx2324]

@@Stevon2012 must be nice to be that set ...

[@Stevon2012]

@@raidermaxx2324 must be

[@lesiakadam1977]

19:46 - I work in medical devices industry for 16 years now in R&D. Part of my job is testing of these devices in the silicone models of human blood vessels systems. In those 16 years I had to get rid of a lot of air bubbles :D Your video is great, however I only partially agree with the setup at 19:46. You created kind of U-shaped loop. The problem is that if by any chance during installation you trapped some air in the pump (even if the pump is lower than top of the radiator), there's NO WAY the air from the pump will travel down the loop toward the bottom of your 'U'. Air bubbles are gonna remain trapped in your pump.

[@TheIdo14]

So whats the solution? Give the pump a quick shake while holding the radiator above it right before installing the AIO?

[@willg955]

Imagine your CPU cooler degrading overtime. This message brought to you by: The Noctua D15 gang.

[@thealien_ali3382]

Am rocking my Noctua dh15 on my i5 9600k at 5ghzt baby

[@ChipsNeeson]

Yeah, NH-D15 FTW. Except, I replaced mine with a full open loop system because the air cooler looked horrendous in my PC-011XL. Great backup for when my pump invariably poops itself and I'm waiting for a new one.

[@headyshotta5777]

Imagine having that ugly ass hunk of crap in your case to just barely be equal in performance to liquid

[@Vhalikuporamee447]

Dark Rock Pro 4 owner here. Air cooler gang, rise up!

[@GainingDespair]

I had an air cooler, worked perfectly fine besides mounting it being a nightmare but after awhile I decided I wanted a quieter system and a 360 did that for me (as odd as it sounds) but 3 fans at a significantly slower RPM are noticeably quieter than 1-2 fans at a mid to high RPM. The system was never loud really to begin with, it just sits on my desk so normally within a foot so it was audible. Not going to lie after 5 years of an air cooler it was weird to have my system on and it make no sound. Genuinely felt weird, but that's more of a first world problem. If the thing is sitting on the floor I doubt you could have heard the old cooler anyways. Regardless of how you feel (because I felt it for 5 years) the sound of absolutely nothing is pleasant even if it was relatively quiet to begin with. Degrade or not after a few generations your air cooler will not fit/suppert a new socket if you decide to upgrade anyways making the degradation problem irrelevant. Noctua has always been good with modernizing their mounting hardware for new sockets tho and they absolutely deserve credit for that but many companies do not. I experienced that in the past with (a relatively new at the time) Cryorig cooler, a good product heavily relies on a company to support it after the sale.

[@BALJIT147]

Okay fine, I'll correct my radiator. Just not today.

[@iHeymanth]

F

[@STUDIO89CH]

Reminder to correct your radiator.

[@BALJIT147]

@@STUDIO89CH Already done :)

[@amb7247]

yeah I think I'll do mine over the weekend.

[@clublulu399]

How about today?

[@TravisJansma]

Every KZbinr are doing this wrong! Apparently they're not listening.

[@GearSeekers]

I love how NO ONE even listened to what was said in this video AT ALL and has started commenting on other peoples videos about wrong installations. There are some fair points but a lot of this does not apply to most of you. I wish people would actually use their ears and listen to what was actually said and not turn this into something else entirely. Don't just hear what you want to hear. Good video Steve.

[@GamersNexus]

We run into this problem a lot. I tried to make it clear really early in the video (guess you heard that part) that the point isn't to create a whirlwind of comments spamming other YTers, but to get manufacturers to provide clearer documentation/images on how to install things.

[@GearSeekers]

@@GamersNexus exactly! When I watch something I always watch the entire body of work. I don't know why people find that so hard lol. Thanks for backing us up on this mate. It's appreciated.

[@WilliamChoochootrain]

Even though I did not expect your comment here at all, I can't help but feel that I expected it once I saw it.

[@thumpertron]

@@GearSeekers ''When I watch something I always watch the entire body of work'' are you coming on to him?

[@LDRAGONFLYL]

why bother mounting the AIO properly when you could just flip the whole case upside-down🤣

[@Giraffe69420]

exactly

[@tx47e]

I did that too :)) but before this video

[@Aleph-Noll]

wait you might be up to something

[@CSGhostAnimation]

Ah, the Australian PC builder

[@TheXimena711]

@@Aleph-Noll don’t you mean “down”? 🙃

[@dommo2803]

Thumbnail game level: Godmode.

[@northwestclasspnw7974]

Made me click

[@deeperlayer]

actually they are cringe

[@MrArjanOskam]

God how the f am I possibly going to be able to put the tubes down in a 360 radiator... Hoses are all too short

[@TheFirstExelion]

Sadly most AIO's have short tubes and mounting them "correctly" isn't viable, specially with a big hardware piece that you didn't mention in the middle, the GPU. In my case for example if I mount the AIO like you say the tubes are stretched as far as they can go and they push against the GPU, putting a ton of strain on the PCI-E. I agree with the testing but most of the time that's not viable in a real use case. Maybe companies should make AIO's with longer tubes.

[@belfalasvinyamar]

He mentioned: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJOqoKCsZp5oqc0

[@chrisgent45]

@@belfalasvinyamar except just saying to try doesn't work when it's a physical limitation. Also doesn't help if it's 360 mm radiator that goes down into the shroud at the bottom. Hard to bend the tubes around that

[@GSP-76]

@@chrisgent45 Yeah Im using the Arctic Freezer II and I can't mount it with tubes down. It's impossible to route the tubes from the bottom with a GPU installed. I disagree that too mounting is the best way too...all heat inside a PC rises to the top. Your pump *might operate a bit better this way but your temps will also be significantly higher. I've done extensive temp testing with my 360 rad at the top vs front. Front is much better than top.

[@chrisgent45]

@@GSP-76 yeah, Bitwit did a video about top versus front placement, and front resulted in 10 degree cooler temp than top, with the discernable difference in GPU temp. Thinking I will have to order a 280 mm AIO instead of 360.

[@malcolmholmes2596]

Ouch... Imagine spending 150$ on a case and 100$ more on aio coolers thar dont even fit properly with each other

[@Yoo_yuz]

For almost a decade, I've used air coolers on all my builds until a few months ago where I cracked and bought a 360 AIO for my main rig. For AIO orientation, I asked many of my friends who use AIO, searched KZbin, and google searched as if I was doing a project, but alas I did not find any answers. Until I remembered Steve mentioning in one of his videos not to mount AIOs like @17:56, but still no concrete answers. I ended up mounting it like @13:00 but with the tubes near the back instead. This is a great video since this is the only video that I've seen that actually answers how to properly orient AIOs.

[@UNSCPILOT]

I ended up mounting my AIO's rad to the top of the case simply because that seemed to cause the least stress on the hoses, had no idea I was saving it from bubbles and other issues too, now that I know how useful that is I'm defginitly planning it into future builds

[@CACOE_]

I heard that throwaway comment on another vid too, changed orientation and saw an instant improvement in coolant temp. I've only had the aio installed a month or two incorrectly so fingers crossed it didn't cause too much damage.

[@GamersNexus]

@@CACOE_ You should be good! Unlikely it caused damage that fast unless it was really burning 24/7.

[@skarloey2334]

@@UNSCPILOT i have 2 computers with an aio one is on top and the other is on the rear exhaust simply because it's literally the only place on these 2 cases that could hold the radiator.

[@redavatar]

And this is why I always always tell people to NOT use AIOs unless they intend to do OCing and the majority will never OC and does it just because it makes their case "authentic pro gamer". You can't do much wrong with a fan - it's usually quieter, cheaper, easier to install, works on all cases (only need to take RAM / component clearance into account), you can't really fuck it up that it breaks and you have so many choices for fans + on a massive cooler, if the fan breaks you can replace it. If a AIO pump breaks .... not to mention potential leaks, installation issues, cost, noise level, your case potentially not working (which you always find out after you try to install it of course).

[@snapdanc3r]

flashback to the LTT Tech Support Challenge, remembering Steve with a second of frustration at the AIO set with barbs up by the hosts. I thought this would be addressed when I saw thumbnail for this video... :)

[@jubbernaut4049]

I thought that Steve actually might remount the radiator he looked so annoyed

[@BHFFS]

NZXT should really hire you to approve their marketing and R&D at this point.

[@Pharium]

If we look at the manufacturer's recommendations, this is what us consumers call, planned obsolescence.

[@grumd0]

It's not planned obsolescence when users just RMA their coolers for a free warranty replacement. It's not obsolete, it's just broken, and their warranty is pretty long usually.

[@xt3100]

@@grumd0 atleast NZXT's warranty is 6 years.

[@KTSpeedruns]

No.

[@mr.j8356]

4 Years ago when i bought my first AIO the dude at the store told me to just put the radiator as high as possible. Told me to put it in the top with the fans exhausting the air through it. After this video I understand exactly why. Thanks random KTM employee :)

[@tldrinfographics5769]

Good samaritan

[@clasch87]

the problem is the aio as exhaust.. because the hot air will go trough the radiator and is not cooled enough

[@INWMI]

good advice

[@zachmullins9444]

@@clasch87 That is not a problem, its standard for a reason.

[@JakeNBaked]

@@zachmullins9444 Steve literally said in this video that’s it’s not as cool to run as exhaust instead of intake.

[@maldjulio]

Me: THANK YOU. Now I can fix that noise. Also, me: FUUU I have to open up my case and rearrange everything.

[@Sica1000]

Already done now? :)

[@wuzumaki]

I flipped my rad tubes down. Idle temps are now so low that I use my case to store ice cream.

[@youngo2416]

make sure the icecream is at the top of the loop and above the cone.

[@ICeyCeR3Al]

mine are uniform. It twirls around then a straight shot at the radiator. It works well mostly because the tubes are really flexible and rubber lol

[@kbrnsr]

That's vapochill cooled, not water-cooled (now I need to check if steve and the gang have played around with it)

[@bigmexicanchurro]

What kind of ice cream😛

[@sondernfy]

*Alternate title:* Physics messing up NZXT and Corsair’s liquid cooling marketing for 26 minutes and 16 seconds

[@alfredp9754]

Why can't they be just direct to the point? 5mins going on the video and I'm already bored asf!

[@GamersNexus]

@@alfredp9754 We try to actually provide detailed information. If that's not for you, that's fine. Not everyone need to conform to a 5-minute video standard.

[@kcocgibkcusuoy]

NZXT has a pretty well established aversion to thermal efficiency, lol. Also who doesn't want a 30 minute video about AIOs?? It reaffirmed my decision to flip my h100i V2 when I upgraded to an 8086k from a 4790k recently that was not cooling either of those CPUs well at all. Temps are under control now.

[@adroxorz]

@@GamersNexus @Gamers Nexus LOL aren't you glad that you pre-empted this questions answer, less than 5 minutes into the video, just to reiterate, that this videos length was to explain it more in-depth. YT comments truly are a special place, for special people.

[@shawnpitman876]

@@alfredp9754 Because then they don't give all the information and leave people half informed. If you like being half informed, then cool, find a different source for information.

[@mmmhorsesteaks]

And the Lord spake onto them: "Thou shalst mount correctly thyne AIO waterblocks lest thy pumps be smitten and thyne cpu overheated." Thus spake TechJesus, the LORD of the testbench and the graph on which the text is printed too tiny for users on mobile devices.

[@Aethelian]

Truely, the word of the Lord!

[@mmmhorsesteaks]

@@Aethelian Praise be!

[@zhejabello658]

Amen!

[@Trigg3rHippie]

Thou sayeth as things be.

[@gertjanvandermeij4265]

Stop using the Lord's name in vain, or for fun ! You could go to Hell ! You really need to read *Isaiah 45:5-12* ! God bless you !

[@skupire6547]

welp now i know why i have pump noise... 😑

[@sdj33]

Steve Burke - the hero we need, not the hero we deserve.

[@knifee9936]

PogO

[@atilamotila8907]

PogO who asked?

[@IvanOoze1990]

"we" pfff, I deserve him.

[@meknowu1]

PogO DIDN'T ASK

[@GlarialsTombMossGiant]

*flips AIO that was installed for 2 years*

[@SangheiliSpecOp]

I suspect you won't be the only one after this video 😂

[@mvzpodcast]

I don't think you'll ever get the credit you deserve. You really provide the most objective and supportive information on PC building on the biggest video platform in the world

[@PeterKocic]

For me, who works with pumps in the daily life in the oil field this is 101 basics. Quick google told me the pump in a AIO is a centrifugal pump. Shortly put, they have very bad vaccum lift and must therefore be primed. What that means is, the tank should be placed higher than the pump, that makes gravity fill the suction side of the pump 100%. Simple rule, keep the low and everything else high. Poorly primed pump increase chance of foam/caviatation. This causes noise, at high pressures it could cause damage (not very likely in an AIO).

[@kingdiola]

According to that guy from Verge this guy doesn't know what he's talking about...

[@danielb1621]

this guy... tbh is on point with the cheaper AIO's some REQUIRE the tubes to be at the bottom... it said a big NO NO to have the tubes on the bottom where the pressure release valve is...

[@fryguylol]

@@danielb1621 Not true

[@DevilPork92ITA]

@Mario anche io mi sono addormentato

[@PaalKiwi]

Do you mean that guy from The Verge who did that terrible PC build? kzbin.info/www/bejne/g16VhJacn5l5kM0&ab_channel=Omnizoa

[@jorgenunez5669]

Lmfao the guy from Verge also said there shouldn’t be fans on the radiator 😂😂😂 “these screws are supposed to be long to get a secure fit on the cooler”

[@samiraperi467]

Now I want arrows that tell us which tube is "out" from the pump. Because in my case the rad is sideways.

[@jimmay8627]

Mine also. I'm running a CoolerMaster "test bed" type case here, with the mobo on the "floor" and the cooler horizontal up high on the front panel. This setup has been trouble-free for over 5 and a half years now, on a 5960X system OC'd to 4GHz that frequently has long hot runs (I do VFX simulations - got one cooking right now). I think we're OK unless the fluid gets really low.

[@steak5599]

I wonder if you can tell by using an infrared thermometer pointing it at the inlet/outlet of the radiator. You know the pressure hose is going to be hotter than the return hose.

[@Reaper035]

Well, as Steve said: In many cases the intake of an rad has the larger part of the tank than the outlet. (If I don't mistake the order.) He said something like 60/40%. So you have a chance that you can detect it that way. (Btw: I just don't have any clue why they aren't sized 50/50. I'm really wondering.)

[@IndianTelephone]

@@Reaper035 I am guessing its about dissipating as much heat as possible without choking the intake tank

[@i4y]

@@Reaper03519:00 you can see the 60% part seems to be the outlet side as you can see the bubbles moving towards the out pipe.

[@gunnar6674]

"Has the cooler degradation begun?" [Bane voice]: "Yes. The air rises!"

[@Vathik]

This type of content, along with things like calling out MSI over their shady reviewer relations, is what make me confident that GN is a trusted Source of tech knowledge.

[@timhansen3453]

Would be nice to be able to buy AIOs with different lengths of tubes or with a choice of having 90 degree fittings on the radiator. Would help users to correct mounting in all types of cases.

[@joaquindemonasterio6350]

i think a 90 degree fitting is a loss of liquid inertia, your aio performance will drop since your pump is smaller than the custom loop.

[@cm01]

AIOs are just a gimmick anyway. You need a custom loop to actually beat a beefy air cooler, mostly because AIO pumps are so anemic.

[@coastallab3926]

@@cm01 wot, did you know that simply an nzxt x72 can beat any air cooler?

[@gravesddd]

CoastalLab a gimmick. huh. that’s a new one

[@kantaikessen3289]

@@coastallab3926 do you really want to spend 2x the price of an NH-D15 for marginally better cooling that's hard to install, uses more power, and a has risk of frying your system?

[@mariusgage5471]

My corsair aio cooler on my 4770k has lasted like 9 years, still going, understanding a little about pump head, how pumps work etc helps alot, great vid

[@JoshTrue-xt9bf]

Whats the model of that aio?

[@mariusgage5471]

@@JoshTrue-xt9bf can't remember the h100 or something, non rgb

[@MotherboardStandoff]

All this makes me want to stick with air cooling and I had an AIO. I bought a Noctua Air cooler and the thing is rocksolid and superquiet. Personally, with my current experience, I don't feel the need to go back to AIO.

[@Akalaman123]

I'm using a noctua cooler too, recent air coolers basically make most users (like me and you) not needing water. But some users will still find AIO the best option for them, maybe for case clearance or aesthetics etc etc. It always depends :) like, I was looking forward to make a really small build, and in that case I'm still struggling if going for a low profile air cooler or just an AIO, considering airflow won't be the best

[@covoeus]

I don't really see the point in liquid cooling. You are still technically cooling your CPU with air (via the radiator), but now there's another heat transferring medium to complicate things.

[@SwervingLemon]

@@Akalaman123 Airflow in small cases can actually be better than in large, if you plan your airpath and shape it to go through the components you want cooled. I have put foamcore in larger machines specifically to increase air velocity across the CPU cooler. If you do it right, you don't even need a processor fan.

[@Mr.Morden]

I have a heatpipe tower that has been going for 9 years.

[@00000005547]

@@covoeus Some CPU's, especially higher-end ones, simply put out too much heat to handle with a traditional heatsink. Take a look at the 3950X. Yes, the Noctua 15 does handle it, but with no overclocking. To overclock you'd need a ridiculous amount of airflow in the case, like, server style airflow. Liquid cooling allows you to control the flow of heat in and out of the case. A normal heatsink will simply heat up the air inside the case, causing higher temps overall, and needs more fans to blow the air out of the case. If you put a radiator blowing air out the top of the case, you solve 2 problems, now you have ~120w less heating happening in the case as it's being immediately exhausted out the top, making the GPU run much cooler, and allowing much more thermal headroom than a normal heatsink provides.

[@ToastyBros]

Very interesting to see and learn about this issue with visuals!

[@ntclpz]

Toasty bros not getting any reply’s interesting.

[@ruipedroleite]

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ONLY HAVE 930K SUBSCRIBERS.

[@K4rgo]

Me neither but subscribers are adding fast though. It was not long ago that they "only" had 600k.

[@droughdough]

Because they don't play into the algorithm and are committed to providing long-form technically thorough content. Most people would rather watch less substantial tech channels that are more interested in entertainment than education and real tech journalism.

[@dragopac5065]

Its simply because average people prefer brainless video that won’t force them to think to much and it seems also that they are looking to watch clown making jokes at the same time then real pertinent information with deep analysis

[@RemizZ]

This is very specific content presented in very thorough ways that even I as an enthusiast sometimes have trouble getting through. I'm surprised they even have so many subs.

[@its-movietime]

​@@dragopac5065 Why do you assume the people like brainless videos over others and are against real information as you call it? It's a simple explanation. Not everyone is a technical person and not everyone is enjoying or get interested in some of the subjects. Someone might enjoy coca-cola but when someone else tries to explain to that person the chemicals formulas behind or the physics behind, they might get uninterested pretty fast about the subject, either because it doesn't have the technical background or because it's something they are not interested in. That's why you get more people enjoying the general things rather than a niche subject.

[@baloney_sandwich]

So I cancelled my aio liquid cooler after watching this lol