Games We Love But Don't Fully Understand

[@RyanJamesPastor91]

"Every go, you have a little team talk" - Best description of a Huddle, ever.

[@ahmetkurum4114]

A Huddle ? Does every thing in fake football sound like it belongs to Harry Potter ?

[@RyanJamesPastor91]

@@ahmetkurum4114 the more I think about it yes haha, things like a touchback, or intentional grounding.

[@kingdavey90]

Every "down". Or attempt. First down, second down, third down, and if you're risky 4th down.

[@MyManJFKTV]

@@ahmetkurum4114 - Yo....yes.

[@suzanner8360]

And there’s a line you have to cross...I love it

[@y2dereko]

Please give us a 15 minute video of Dave describing football 😂

[@Matt_C130]

DEREK SMITH wait until he finds out that if hes blitzing & he has the ball hes either done something really good or really bad.

[@ALLCAPSKELL]

I would stop everything I was doing.

[@the_kpush8111]

No, just no. Now I know exactly how Rob feels when Dave plays MGS.

[@oraclejams]

As a revenge for Metal Gear Stupid, Rob should play a game he has no idea playing , with Dave/Nath guiding him. Though by Rob's temper, it would only be a one episode unfinished game.

[@juliabarrosmachado47]

Yes something like bloodborne or sekiro

[@SittingDuck-xq9ln]

arent the one on onezies already revenge? lol

[@danieldias7354]

This must be done!

[@joegrimes9232]

@@MrHenrikAndersson Wasn't there also Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation he also said he didn't. Hmmm I smell a series

[@Jamil1989]

@@TeriyakiDior when was that? I would like to watch that. 😄😄

[@JillianValentine215]

13:45 > Rob has left the chat lmao

[@maxjfrost]

Yeah that was hilarious!!

[@zaburinoakashi]

Plays kingdom hearts 1... Plays kingdom hearts 2... Plays Birth by sleep, and so on.. KH3 comes out.. i play it.. comes this guy.. and i was like.. "who are you again ?"

[@TucBroder]

I have never played Kingdom Hearts, but I've always wanted to. So I'm considering buying the "The Story so far" collection, with all previous games in it, before number 3.

[@nictushazeldine3167]

It's okay, Dave. I'm American and don't comprehend football at all.

[@yeezkneezz6861]

Will Parsons same here 😂

[@Kaiser8513]

Personally I can't stand the "sport" and everyone thinks I'm going when I say I don't like it and I don't know anything about it

[@Christopher-ro1dl]

@@mrmagoo-i2l I always see it as many commercials interpreted by football. Men in tights is all I can see during the game. I have tried to understand the game just don't care about sports.

[@Jdb63]

@@Kaiser8513 If you don't know anything about it then why would you say you can't stand it? That just seems like you're hating just to hate, which is a childish mindset to have. Also, why the quotes around "sport"?

[@Kaiser8513]

@@Jdb63 they claim it's an original American sport which just rips off Rugby (much like most American things that are actually European) and other than the egotistical self centered morons who normally play it it just seems like an excuse for men to chase each other around in tights

[@andy93h]

It's ok Elle I've played Kingdom Hearts since the beginning and I still don't fully understand it lol

[@marhawkman303]

Tehre's a video on Eurgamer where Bendix tries to explain the plot... all she really does is cover where each game fits in the basic narrative structure and it's still something like 30 minutes long.

[@AlmightyPolarBear]

andy93h I find the villains and their back stories are the most confusing bits.

[@andy93h]

@@AlmightyPolarBear Ye especially since in 3 they just shoved them into a boss rush at the end that explained absolutely nothing lol

[@Isharne]

Same, the series have spun more out of control in terms of what makes sense, but it has remained my favorite series since the first time I played KH1 with my big brother on the PS2

[@sonicrules666]

I avoid the story for the most part, not enough time or motivation to try and fully understand it and as games have gotten bigger and bigger (I grew up in the 16 bit era) I've immersed myself in the world, characters, the quests, tasks, environments, challenges. No need for story for me to enjoy games, it's why the Souls style games are my fave style, can get on with the game and not worry too much about understanding everything. I love the Witcher 3, no idea about the story but the game is just amazing!

[@BlackThorn010]

Any in depth street racing game. Don't get me wrong I adore them, but the aspects of customizing a car for maximum turning ratio and acceleration and all that jazz eludes me. Fast car go fast, ergo I am happy.

[@farldiemanie8775]

I tried my hand in tuning a car on GT sport... Turns out I absolutely ruined the car

[@ntrotter1166]

Thoroughly enjoyed listening to these guys talk about football It's how I would feel about Cricket

[@TheLastWanderingBard]

"EA's peerless football game"...yes, technically true, because literally nobody else makes them nowadays. If they did...

[@Kaiser8513]

To help Rosie out looking it up a year ago you free style by not following the pattern or pushing a different button (must be a button in the verse) and let parappa finish each word before saying the next one

[@cozzy4447]

Any arcade beat up em up for me I just mash the buttons till I hopefully get that illusive win 😂

[@unap16]

I kept rewinding to 13:38 for the ensuing hilarity! OMG Rob's face is just pure PURE gold! PSA has some class leading hecklers!

[@awesomesauce6601]

To be fair, even having played every Kingdom Hearts game, I still feel like I need a whiteboard to keep up with the story

[@user-mf5iw9pl9j]

I understood everything perfectly until kingdom hearts ddd, then time travel came and everything became insane

[@stanleylee3329]

Awesome Sauce I played number 2 I think?....NO CLUE wtf I did😂😂I know I went into worlds and solved problems and defeated wierd monsters but I think that’s just, literally Kingdom Hearts. No clue wtf happened.

[@Blandy8521]

I saw the title and thought *Shadow of the Colossus & Anything made by From Software*

[@nicholasharris4306]

Resonance of Fate! Love it, fantastic weapons and battle system. Interesting world movement system. I have no idea about what I'm doing. I just shoot stuff

[@Nate1979]

Glad you still enjoyed it, but for myself, once that battle system clicked, it became one of the most satisfying experiences I've had in games. That and Xenoblade 2...

[@raybloodypurchase1941]

It's ok Dave, you won't understand Madden as you haven't opened up your wallet to all its surprise mechanic goodness.

[@davidsharpe8466]

Shhhh, you're supposed to just pay £60 for an empty game and then double that on the surprise mechanics.

[@joegrimes9232]

*soft clap* :) I was just talking about EA's business model tonight with my brother, "Surprise mechanics" is the stupidest renaming of a problem I have ever known. NO NO I haven't had an arm cut off... It's ambulatory engaging.

[@davidsharpe8466]

@@joegrimes9232 EA exec: No you haven't been fired, you've been sent on a 'suprise vacation'.

[@joegrimes9232]

@@davidsharpe8466 HAHAHA :D I wouldn't be surprised if that is how EA handles it's redundancy policies :D

[@TheLastWanderingBard]

@@joegrimes9232 Given how many times EA have been sued by former employees claiming they were mistreated and wrongfully fired, I think it's safe to say EA are doing something wrong.

[@unhappycamper3463]

Rosie rapping stream, dont mind if theres no game :)

[@6wafer6]

That's so funny I said Metal Gear Solid at the same time as Dave HAHAHAHA. Great minds think alike

[@givingtechnology8161]

As an American, thank you Dave. That was hysterical. "Cover 7, if you can"

[@joels5150]

I’d say thank you for giving me 5-8 yards per carry every play. Muahahaha!!!

[@maxjfrost]

I think the easy answer would every fighting game. I love them, I know the moves and mechanics, but to "fully understand" you need to grind, grind and grind...

[@afiyerolovingstarkid]

Elle softly saying "I just wanna.... hurt people" is a mood

[@AlmightyPolarBear]

Kingdom Hearts is a series worth playing even if you do not fully understand. :D

[@copyrightboy4225]

I love Rosie. She is bundles of joy. Always makes me smile.

[@jonnywalker4802]

I dont fully understand how I will stop doing anything to watch anything you guys post ❤ truly the best!

[@bryancadents3559]

Dave, I would be happy to explain American Football to you. Core concept is simple, but the details seem to require knowledge of American Football's own language to understand. The basics: Each team tries to get the football to the opposite end of the field, known as the "endzone". Each attempt by the offense to move the football is called a "play". The offense has 4 chances, or "downs", to move the football a total of 10 yards. If they achieve this goal, they get another set of downs to attempt to move the ball further toward the endzone. The opposing team is then on defense, attempting to prevent the offense from moving the ball forward. If the offense exhausts their downs without gaining a total of 10 yards, the other team gets possession of the ball. Often times if the offense does not gain the required 10 yards on 3rd down, they will use 4th down to kick the ball downfield to the opposing team, known as a "punt". The other team gets possession of the ball this way, but now they have a greater distance to cover before they can score. A play is over when the ball carrier is tackled to the ground, or if the ball is thrown forward but is not caught. If a team member possesses the football in the endzone (either by catching it or running it in) it is a "touchdown" worth 6 points. A "touchdown" is the American equivalent of a "goal" in world football. After scoring a touchdown, you can either kick the ball through the upright posts for one extra point, or you can run an additional play to get the ball into the endzone again for 2 extra points. Another common way to score points is a "field goal". If an offense faces 4th down but they're close to the endzone, they can attempt kick the ball through the goal posts. If it goes through, it is a "field goal" worth 3 points. The game lasts 4 quarters. In college and professional football each quarter is 15 minutes, in high school football (at least here in Texas), each quarter is 12 minutes. There are all sorts of rules about when the clock actually runs, when it stops, etc. But that's its own rabbit hole. There are entire philosophies of play-calling on both offense and defense, various offensive formations and defensive schemes, rules on how the game clock is managed, how penalties work, additional but more obscure ways to score points, and an entire history of how the game has evolved over the decades. Not to mention learning all of the offensive and defensive positions and their general roles and responsibilities. Many of these things are not necessary to understand to enjoy the game itself, but in my opinion they do make it more interesting.

[@nicer4474]

My buns are very toasty right now

[@craigoneill2216]

I never know what’s happening in metal gear

[@ALZY1989]

Dude its all nanomachines

[@TheLastWanderingBard]

I find that the best way to play is to just understand who the main characters are, and then just go with the flow on everything else. I mean there's so much random stuff happening that you can never be sure whether you were supposed to have predicted it or not. MGSV's opening couple of chapters are possibly the best examples of that. The escape from the hospital and away from the "man on fire" and (for the sake of avoiding spoilers) "gas mask kid", and then the encounter with the mist soldiers in the desert. Even seasoned MGS players were dumbfounded with that stuff.

[@Justin-Theobald]

I can imagine Rob accidentally went to ludicrous speed on Elite Dangerous.

[@CBZero]

Future: Death Stranding

[@SwordInTheStorm]

Final Fantasy and Metal gear not trolling Rob, they are great games but those plots are insane!!!!

[@StabbyRocketJoe]

Really? FF games are pretty straightforward that most fans of the franchise started when they were just kids. It even served as a gateway to RPGs for most.

[@emmettzaczepinski6565]

They really aren’t very complex

[@Israel_hans]

MGS phantom pain,They want to kill off the english language?There's crystal zombies?cipher?XOF?What is happening? I'm randomly doing missions again but on a harder difficulty? The whole storyline has me lost.

[@brandonhannah8230]

There is no story in phantom pain.

[@NeoNinjaX87]

A game I love but don't fully understand, is the game called Life.

[@juliushegge4845]

Can I uninstall this game?!

[@simplesimonspeaks1115]

I lost the wheel you spin to move.

[@NAcHO-wx5vg]

I wish real life was like the game the game of life, life would be a lot more simple.

[@davespringer777]

@@mrmagoo-i2l yep. We're all just interchangeable, not special at all. We start the game with visions of success, hoping to end up as someone super important, but the wheel has other plans. It's so realistic. It is kinda sad.

[@conformistbastard9842]

Just read the instructions

[@logansrevenge1214]

You go ahead and toast your buns Rosie.

[@edwardhulse]

13:50 - 13:58 I’ve never seen that before in a Tuesday checklist! That was so funny when robs in his mind just like “right, if you don’t take this seriously I’m off.” And he just walks off camera. 😂😂😂

[@samwright8895]

Bloodborne...... have played through multiple new game plus modes and cleared enough dungeons but could not tell you anything about the story or the lore behind whatever the hell is happening in yarnham

[@notoriousbmc1]

I remember buying NBA Live 2000. I loved watching the sport but didn't know all of the rules so I just turned off all fouls. I soon learned the rules but ''no fouls'' was so much more fun.

[@seeleyboothfan2]

The moment Kingdom Hearts:Birth By Sleep (for the 2nd time) as you're playing Kingdom Hearts:Birth By Sleep lol

[@hutchhound3788]

Elle, if you want to understand Kingdom Hearts might I recommend Videogamedunkey's video. It explains everything with pure clarity.

[@charliefoxtrot5046]

Triple Triad for me, even if it is a game within a game (FF VIII). I loved it to start with but couldn't really follow it too well. Then they started changing the times as you moved around and I gave up. Thankfully I had better luck with the FFIX card game, although I didn't understand it much better.

[@belland_dog8235]

Listen man, don't feel bad about not understanding Football. I played Freshman year, still don't know what I'm supposed to be doing. Just run the ball to your end zone pretty much.

[@heathazegaming8534]

It’s okay Elle. I believe the vast majority of KH players are in the same boat. Great series. Just plot holes so big you don’t know what’s the sky anymore.

[@archer4529]

Listening to Dave explain American football is priceless and endearing (coming from an American who played football growing up and watches it religiously). To follow up on your point, I got interested in soccer (or, the other football) during the '06 World Cup and learned the rules of the sport from FIFA 2007. Both footballs have "offsides", but they are very different in the definitions. Limited substitutions, what constitutes a yellow or red card, the clock counting up instead of down, relegation, etc. Shout out to games and sports and sports games.

[@jsedi89]

Christ Rex Grossman at qb for the bears? Must have been some real dust on that archive footage! (Yes I'm a madden /NFL fan!)

[@MiguelXisto1]

You guys are all truly great. But you gotta love Rosie. She always cracks me up with her games. Haha

[@LeonidThe90sKid]

Totally know what you mean. It's just madden-ing.

[@alephthetheropod6210]

Here are two old school ones that I never got to fully understand: Digimon world (ps1) the tamagotchi-like rpg, the mechanics were very convoluted but the world was charming and the dotHack games (ps2) where all the items, abilities, weapons, places, characters and events had weird and unfamiliar names yet it was an enjoyable jrpg.

[@patdo777]

It's fine Elle, no one truly understands Kingdon Hearts.

[@eberjair]

Doom (2016) is my favorite fps, I loved the campaign, but the gameplay distracted me from the plot. I barely knew what was happenig. All I wanted to do was shoot and execute demons.

[@tinymercgaming3798]

hahaha Rob, that was gold. hilarious group banter love it

[@kwekuako1]

The jump from "xehanort is a bad guy" to "xehanort is like, 13 bad guys" is not one that I, a small brain child, was not prepared for

[@frankangel1941]

As an American I didnt understand Futbol for the longest time. I would attempt to play Fifa and get offsides all the time and lose it because it made no sense to me. I decided one year during the world cup to sit down and really learn the fundamentals of the game. I now love watching Futbol and find myself getting super involved during a match.

[@steelfoot98]

For me it’s absolver. It’s good fun but I can’t wrap my head around the intricacies of combat.

[@320iSTWEdition]

Rob,this tip is for you!I have started Elite:Dangerous a few weeks ago,i got three ships and about 10 million credits so nothing really....BUT i have learned a LOT from several KZbin channels that introduce you to Elite step by step and they do that very good,so you HAVE to watch their videos!I personally favor the User "ObsidianAnt",he's got a very calm and soothing voice and very well made Introduction videos for just about everything in Elite,they're a must see!When you have watched these you will be able to enjoy Elite:Dangerous in the way you have imagined,I promise!

[@haznolife8259]

Kingdom Hearts’ story can be kind of confusing and daunting, but after experiencing all of it, and everything clicks together, you’re just like “Ohhhhhh!”

[@bluedudeleader972]

I feel you dave, im American and still dont understand football, tried to get into it and learn it, apparently a little too late cause as soon as i was like lets get back to the actual game going on, family was like "you dont like football whats going on" and decided well guess im not gonna bother learning

[@footloose20005]

I have to say Kingdom Hearts as well, i love the characters, dialog and gameplay of the series but with the story i have no idea what is going on but i still find the games extremely enjoyable

[@darkecofreak23]

Alright, Elle. Here’s the order: KH, Chain of Memories, KH2, 358/2 Days, Birth By Sleep, Re: Coded, Dream Drop Distance, Union χ (for near the end of KH3 and knowledge of the Foretellers and the first Keyblade War), KH3.

[@Isharne]

I knew before clicking this video that Kingdom Hearts was gonna be mentioned, thought Rob was gonna be the one to mention it though

[@WapsOnWaps]

Still don’t know what’s going on in the Gwent Stand-alone despite having 350+ hrs in Gwent in The Witcher 3

[@mikkdc]

You should give Elite Dangerous another try after the September update drops, Rob. Frontier are introducing a lot of new tutorials and in-game guides with the September update which should make it much easier to get into.

[@shugaroony]

Yeah I've said similar above. I've put about 1000 hours into it myself though taking a break waiting on the big update next year.

[@belland_dog8235]

Yeah I've heard about that game. I've also heard that they made the game so complicated on purpose because it's extremely shallow

[@discoqueenmangaming8038]

If I didn't have to work I'd drive down and give Dave my copy of Madden 20 just so he can play it. I love the game so much a found a local team 3 years ago and started playing American football... Madden hurts less though...

[@Richtor]

Resonance of Fate. Fight mechanics are so complex, I just can't comprehend how to do it. Yet I love pretty much everything else.

[@alliekat273]

Toasty Buns is the same type of humor level as Foxy Boxes. *cues Marik Plays Bloodlines*

[@OhNoItsWednesday13]

And here I was thinking every single one of you would answer X-com after seeing your videos... Nah just kidding, LOVE all your work! Keep it up!

[@quesocfh6080]

as an American, I really enjoyed and appreciated Dave's story about playing madden...I recently tried a cricket game and had no clue what was going on the entire time.

[@the-d2506]

Let Dave do a review of MADDEN 20.... but also an in-depth explanation of mechanics, rules and plays... Please let this happen...

[@RajatSharma-fs2cx]

As Elle said ,, I just like to ....~hurt people~".

[@Ranerdar]

I'll say I understand the story *better* now. But the first time I played thru Final Fantasy VIII. I had basically no clue what or why I was doing most things.

[@owendmartin]

I've heard it said that the plot of VIII isn't bad, just that the main characters aren't part of it. :P

[@Grey_Warden_Invasion]

I still understood KH1, I also kind of understood KH2. Everything after and in between that I was just like "Yeah, I don't understand you at all... But you look nice and I like you so I play anyways."

[@assassin86gamer43]

i love all of you guys and i like that gjallarhorn at the back

[@TSOmac]

NHL games for me... Super fun, but know JACK about what's going on !

[@notoriousbmc1]

Just keep pressing buttons until a fight breaks out.

[@jacobpowell6229]

hahaha the moment elle said kingdom hearts, i screamed whats not to get! and then rob, in what sounded like disgust said it too.

[@eldnation]

14:36 That voice could be a new character in a Friday feature. 🤣🤣 sounds rather smug 😛😛😛

[@Kylestien]

I don't know if you will see this Rob, but if you want to play a simpler open world space game No Man's Sky got good recently. It's a day before the next update as I type, but could be fun to travel it in VR since I imagine you have at least one PSVR set in the office.

[@michaelwean2854]

Assassin's creed unity dropping in from AC2 no idea what was going on and bugs. Lot's of bugs.

[@koloth5139]

Honestly Rob I think you stopped playing Elite Dangerous at the perfect time. It seems like a game with so much potential but when you get 10s or 100s of hours into it you start to see how thin the veneer really is. There is a reason many describe it as "a mile wide, an inch deep". Stopping right after the tutorial it must seem like a much deeper more interesting game than it does after 100 hours and realizing all you have been doing is moving numbers around.

[@hugotroitoo]

now we need a stream where Rosie plays Parapa blindfolded

[@SoloEcho]

Playstation should have an avatar where you can customize them like gears and weapons or sports gear by getting those parts in game achievements. You beat a game or do special mission in any game for example god of war. You go back to your avatar and equip a God of war axe or gauntlet. With this, the value if a game will remain high plus replay value

[@DivinityFallen]

Rob’s reaction killed me.

[@Keaten2024]

My game I enjoyed but didn’t understand is Bloodborne. I’ve only recently finished the game but I don’t understand anything. I don’t read into lore of games, I just learn what they teach me as I play and all I know is I was a hunter and something was very wrong with everyone else.

[@QuayNemSorr]

Read the description of everything you find. Or succumb to some lore videos. There are some amazing ones out there. And it really adds to the game when you begin to understand what is happening. It's very Lovecraftian.

[@susanswanson4079]

I felt that way when I played FF10's blitzball. I couldn't figure it out. I was so mad a couple years later when I found out that whats-his-faces ultimate weapon you could only get if you won all the games!😭😭

[@shugaroony]

Hey Rob, Elite Dangerous is getting updated right now to make it a lot more accessible for new pilots, where the speed is more under control and you can auto-launch and auto-dock in starter systems. Give it a go. I have been to the other end of the galaxy and back in it and love it, but waiting on the massive update coming next year.

[@kamikage9420]

My mind comprehends what to do in fighting games, but my hands don't. I find it very difficult to train muscle memory in almost anything, especially small finger motions like moving joysticks and pressing specific buttons in specific orders with very specific timing.

[@Mark_GL]

The moment Rob took his mic off made me like and suscribe.

[@kingofbudokai]

To be fair to Elle, it's clear from all the games after 2 that even the developers didn't understand the Kingdom Hearts series. Speaking of, Elle, if you see this comment, you should check out the "So this is basically Kingdom Hearts" video by JelloApocalypse. It will make you feel so much better for what you don't get.

[@willlugaro8923]

I will say that it was rob on a friday feature, talking about Elite Dangerous, that actually got me to go and play it for myself. specifically how he would talk about how hard it was to dock to a station... and boy did it not disappoint. Fun hour ( conservatively) trying to figure out how to get out of supercruise and I refused look up a guide or restart the tutorial... Now I'm trying buy all the ships!

[@owendmartin]

El, Rob I am completely with your choices. I have had KHIII sitting on the backlo---Who am I kidding, Game graveyard, from almost launch (gotta play the other 8ish games to fully appreciate the experience ya know.). Elite Dangerous was purchased several years ago and while I loved it adulting prevented me from being a full time SpaceWarriorMerchantPirateHunter who dabbles in exotic DLC trading. Then it too fell into the Graveyard.

[@magdaziela]

Tuesday checklists are the high point of my week. So much so that I always wait until I have a moment of absolute peace and quiet to fully appreciate them. Thanks, guys, another GREAT one!

[@retrogamerdad9621]

Same boat, Rob (except I haven't even started yet)

[@revolt4150]

The entire Metal gear solid franchise

[@crisisamonginfinitedarthsa4220]

I live on Long Island and I can even hear Rob from London screaming his head off from this comment.

[@ryannickens7848]

Them's fightin' words

[@seancleary5351]

I could listen to Dave talk about football forever lol please live stream some Madden

[@joegrimes9232]

Mine would be Rob's pick too. On Playstation, (EVE Online would be the other platforms) - Elite Dangerous. I too was drawn in by the promise of discovering magnificent ancient relics and delving into the depths of the universe at the helm of my own Millennium Falcon... Only to crash into the shuttlebay doors on my way out and when I did master that, I became a space bus driver... -_-

[@shmookins]

Anno. I love the series. Played every game. Have no clue how to play it 'properly'. I fail at every scenario/challenge. I just choose free play on easiest difficulty with no challenges and make bread for my people and expand a little.

[@jasonpieterse2534]

This is by far the most authentic channel on KZbin. You guys would otherwise all be my actual best friends in real life.

[@dolfyn1234]

I don't understand any sports games... And admittedly, once I start overthinking the heartless and nobodies in KH, I feel like my brain wants to break. The rest of KH's story though = beautiful.

[@thatfield977]

Vangers, anyone? It's absolutely brilliant IF you can wrap your mind around all the lore.

[@GENeralGremory]

I love the God Eater series, but due to the amount of reading I have to do in the side, I think I'm getting it but not fully. Also basically Soulsborne series, Sekiro included. Sekiro may be more understandable more than the Soulsborne, but it's like I'm watching an action movie but there's a lot of lore behind that you don't know about

[@shifttheshaman]

No Warcraft? I ran around with my little fishing hat for a hundred hours without ever working out the difference between one town and another. Cool hat, though.

[@quiet_shy]

Warframe I think for me was the hardest to understand. So many things and I just get confused. Loved the game but that was the reason I stopped playing it.

[@gregoreisenhorn5093]

How did I miss this upload? Also, I've been intrigued by Madden a few times, played the demo and then gone "Nah." I'll stick to NHL. Also, got to agree with Elite Dangerous. The learning curve is near vertical, but once you get even half way good, you're laughing. Helps that I played it on pc before PS4 though. Saying that, my first attempt to play it had me rage quit while trying to land at a space station, uninstall the game and not play it for about two months...