Games Workshop just Deleted My Warhammer Army... My Plan.

[@svengro5019]

"Ahh finally, someone bought the last boxes, release "the Article""

[@richardmartin6069]

Haha

[@tyranitararmaldo]

Warhammer Fantasy players: "First time?"

[@margaretwood152]

🤔💬I do share your *_Sentiment_* ( but it must be asked): *_WHY_*_ Didn't/Don't You Just _*_RETURN_* The Models You Received from *GW❓* (🔮 "Well...then I couldn't have made this *_Video,_* could I (❔)

[@coleevans2487]

This has happened to me so many times with multiple factions in 40K, lol.

[@tankhunterminatures]

@@margaretwood152 If GW would take back minatures that are assembled that would be fantastic

[@SirFluffy100]

Hype this comment. Came to write the same. - Old school mordhiem and necromunda player now.

[@darthsphincter909]

@@margaretwood152 room temperature IQ take XD

[@nakenmil]

Remember: we are under no obligation to play by Games Workshop's corporate policies. Keep proxying, house-ruling, sticking to older editions, 3D-print, buy third-party, convert, borrow, lend, etc. etc. etc. We aren't just "consumers", we are HOBBYISTS.

[@j.h.3851]

People need to come to their senses. The only way to stop GW from pulling shits like this is to vote with your wallet

[@little_isalina]

YES! I'm currently making a big homebrew documents restoring the AoS units that have no warscrolls anymore.

[@Nadz203]

I have found the further I move away from GW the more I actually enjoy the hobby.

[@Cookiesk8r]

Never a truer word spoken

[@John-kc4cg]

Love 40k, hate GW. Bought a 3D printer this year and it's been much cheaper than buying an army and also let me branch out into other armies more easily since I can just print off better models than what GW makes cheaper. 3D print, use OPR or other systems (including prior editions), buy from other hobbyists, get better paints at half the price, GW shouldn't get a penny.

[@risingdawn5259]

Me and my group just keep playing our old stuff regardless. Sometimes that will be just playing an older editions rules, sometimes it's just as proxies. The greatest trick GW ever pulled was convincing non-tourny players they had to buy newer editions of rules/army books. Remember folks, once you own the models and the books the hobbie is yours, not GWs

[@tomfox810]

We still play 7th ed 40k.

[@esotabletop]

@@tomfox810 My Khorn Deamonkin army wants to know your location XD

[@willnox1]

@@tomfox810 Best Edition

[@arthurmarshall6825]

Neat. Of course that requires everyone to agree on what to play. For me, when Fantasy 8th died, everybody in my orbit moved to 9th Age. I had no interest in 9th Age. I just wanted to either keep playing 8th or get into (new) Age of Sigmar. No one else did so I left the hobby.

[@DG23-ey2tc]

I’m still playing 3rd Ed. It’s great

[@dmilnes7007]

Friends buy a 3d printer. Go on my mini factory and print your own army.. GW isn't in charge of our hobby. we are. Their greed is crazy.

[@yagsipcc287]

Yup use the rules you have or support other smaller companies who listen to you I have 40k third edition and support OPR for over 4 years now they actually listen to their customers from a rules perspective and ask for feedback every now and then.

[@catnium]

nah dude I only play 2nd edd. with the old models I havent bought anything new after 3rd edd and I dont play with those rules because they suck ass

[@coleevans2487]

@@catnium 2nd edition with Dark Millennium was peak 40K.

[@margaretwood152]

🤔💬I do share your *_Sentiment_* ( but it must be asked): *_WHY_*_ Didn't/Don't You Just _*_RETURN_* The Models You Received from *GW❓* ~&~ 3D Print an Entire (not-exactly~Legal) LOTRs Army instead (❔) (🔮 "Well.....then I couldn't make this *_Video,_* could I (❔)

[@yagsipcc287]

@@margaretwood152 What is this? Also what are you on about 3D printing is no legal ha what...

[@yeraycatalangaspar195]

You don't have to care about "unoficial stuff" unless you are in a games workshop shop, or your local club/shop for some reason has that rule of only official minis. For the rest, as long as its a painted army, I would love to play with anyone.

[@phil8821]

Yea, I got two complete Empire and Bretonnian armies using mostly historical figures. Stopped caring about newer editions decades ago.

[@Bluez17]

They are just forcing our hands at this point to get 2nd hand and 3D printed stuff

[@tm5123]

Nah, most people will buy the miniatures, its just more convinient that having that smelly resin printer at home.

[@Bluez17]

@tm5123 Or you could pay someone to print it for you. For like 10 bucks or so

[@tm5123]

@@Bluez17 I have a few friends with resin printers. But dont really care. I like working with plastic.

[@Bluez17]

@@tm5123 Your wallet man

[@BjornKuma]

My Deathwatch, Stormcast, and entire WH Underworlds collection... 'Snap' Gone. If I hadn't already moved to better rulesets for my minis (Warsurge, OPR) and printing because of the crap rules and continually rising costs, I would be unbelievably pissed off. As it stands, my break to wait for better rules, is now a permanent "walk away". Whatever modern GW is, it can get F'ed.

[@jw70467]

Agreed. Modern GW is not a good company to support, and both of their flagship games feature outdated and plainly unfun rules. There's so many great 28mm, 15mm, 6 and 8mm game systems out there, I recommend you buy the miniatures you like the most and go from there. I've got some undead japanese samurai types that form the basis of my army or warband or squad in almost every fantasy setting I play, and I'm looking at 3d printing something similar for scifi if I ever find a decent gaming group around me. For now, I mostly ogle terrain on the 3d printing websites, because that's what I really love.

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

Fun fact: Games Workshop isn't the only wargaming company out there. Play agnostic games, support competition against Games Workshop if you want them to improve

[@robertfisher8359]

THIS! ^

[@davesaddington5371]

As a historical gamer I’ve always found the slavish devotion linking to a particular range of figures to a specific game rather strange, more so when the “official” figures are so expensive. I watched your video on using proxy figures which seemed entirely sensible, indeed I said so in the comments. Yes by all means buy official characters etc. but rank and file buy cheaper substitutes if available. Sadly it seems that Games Workshop is behaving like the public ally listed company it is, where profit comes before all else, and not a company that genuinely looks after its customers. The solution is simple - buy proxy models,

[@derultimativenachahmer74]

I would have suggested playing miniatures-agnostic games like Frostgrave, Stargrave or Oathmark (for Fantasy/SCI-FI only, of course). I think historical players have a healthier choice, though someone can correct me if I'm talking nonsense. For me, it takes a lot of stress away when I know that I only need readable characters, not the right ones.

[@xdragoonzero0]

I'm avoiding this situation by just starting with OPR. Biggest issue I'm having is finding good miniatures. Unlike tabletop rpgs, there's not a lot of Warhammer wargame minis that are designed for FDM printers, just resin printers. I'm looking into getting a resin printer, but I need to figure out the space situation first.

[@Dram1984]

If miniatures aren’t good for the life of the game then they are a phenomenally bad time and money investment. The deal was always “we know it’s a big investment but you can enjoy these models for as long as you play the game”. That implicit promise is broken now.

[@albertmockel6245]

No, you can still play the game you bought these minis for.

[@Dram1984]

@ way to miss the point.

[@andreichertov8496]

Miniatures are a hobby. Stocks are an investment.

[@RezaQin]

That's crazy that a couple horsemen are $120. Since I build gunpla, that's a BUNCH of high grade kits, 2 or 3 master grade...or 2/3 of certain perfect grades. Insane.

[@ChrisOsberg]

Fortunately for you, you can probably use those miniatures in OPR Age of Fantasy.

[@stingray4567]

I walked away from GW and embraced 3d printing a few years ago and dont regret it

[@Kristina.Larson]

Games Workshop has successfully made me play other miniature games, so my friends who play Warmachine now have a comrade in arms for their nearly dead game. Best investment ever - the game rules are free online, loads of miniatures are available cheaply online, and the newest rules include some really nice new resin minis! Best of all, no one will be taking these away, and Warmachine has rules for all legacy miniatures (though their balance might be a bit off).

[@willpenn966]

Warmachine is great! You should also look into Trench Crusade!

[@TheSpazztech]

Model agnostic games are the future. 3d printers and one-page rules will put an end to this BS

[@alexiezachariades4872]

Ive been into warhammer since 1991, im 43 now. I just couldnt keep up with the rules and editions releases, the erratas. Now the only GW game I enjoy on the table top is Mordheim. I am still a commission painter though, Ive been doing that for 10 years now.

[@TheGreatCharlie123]

This is why I don't care about the games they make, I play OPR. It's easier, more fun, you can non-agnostic miniatures, and most importantly.... you don't get rules and points changes every-fucking-week.

[@yagsipcc287]

Yup and when OPR does change things you don't need to rebuy everything a couple years later. OPR since 2020 one of the best companies as they will listen to us and ask for feedback

[@MechbossBoogie]

Plus their minis are a whole hell of a lot cooler.

[@davidvise5801]

Use everything for OPR. It’s gaining popularity with each passing day. Play what you like! ;)

[@MonstaMunch101]

Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra. You're welcome.

[@metalman1a2]

Do i need to get a curing station ?

[@MonstaMunch101]

@@metalman1a2 Yes. You don't need a wash station though, a bucket and some isopropyl alcohol is all you need for that.

[@anything6398]

It's really bad news for games workshop as 3D printing becomes more accessible they're irritating the consumer. It doesn't make sense.🤨

[@jamiebanks2396]

It’s definitely transparency that left us ticked off , they said one thing is leaving but then something else in the same boat is staying ? Doesn’t make sense . Then comes the stock issue because everyone buying the minis you can’t get them within the a day of the article, they should come out that all those models will be on made to order for at least a year . Found the dundland army video was great and be exactly what I’ll be doing to fill up the ranks with the new box .

[@DalleDC]

There are many ways to make "business sense". GW always always chooses the super greedy one. Unless mandated from outside license holder, there was no reason to nerf any figures. Most likely most new players would go for the new stuff that is available, but there is no need to punish old players with wast armies or people up for a big conversion challenge. As a company you could just have announced the models would no longer be in production. Its the perfect way to push the older players out, that should be the ones welcoming the new. But business never thinks like that, just we can sell more new stuff.

[@jordan321able]

This shit definitely isn't new. 'What? You spent $1000 dollars on minis just for us to invent the Primaris and make everything you've bought pointless JUST so you have to buy ANOTHER army????'

[@merccc1]

So glad they did, I absolutely love the newer marines far far far more. Started recently so I get to enjoy new tyrranids as well. Glad I didn't start sooner. That is also why you shouldn't chase the meta or anything that keeps changing really. Pick an addition and stick with the base of what is released, expanding into new additions is your own choice. It is the price for not being stagnant/stationary.

[@pancakemogul]

Is that really that different from bringing your iron landlord to Star Wars Monopoly and expecting it to fly? They made a new version of the game but the old one is still perfectly playable. It's not like official tournaments are the only avenues of play.

[@daerovius7535]

@@merccc1 Primaris are dogshit and ugly as fuck... Bigeest shit take ever seen you have right there

[@brycedery9596]

@@pancakemogul LMAO live where I do and you won't be saying that. only 13 players in my town and they're always in a league (only way to guarantee getting a game). Every 4 months I try to get anyone to play narrative or casual, doesn't work. So I don't have a hobby anymore because standing on 5 circles of dirt for 5 turns in perpetual MDF ruins, set up the same way every time is nothing I can be bothered to play.

[@SuperEagle112]

I couldn’t afford a full 3d printer by myself and all of the wash and cure stations and supplies. But I do have hobby friends… that don’t have wives and families. So I could offer to contribute $200ish to help them buy a printer. And that allows me to buy files on a shared myminifactory account to print off what we want. Use your contacts and make a 3d printing community.

[@ninjatango]

You can get a printer for GW style minis for $200. You do need some extra gear but yeah.

[@SuperEagle112]

@ and there are better and better ones coming out. We are still in the very early stages of at home printing and it’s really good already.

[@thehiddenheretic]

The Printing Goes Ever On....

[@yagsipcc287]

Yup they are great has everything...

[@LeeHobbies]

I only decided to jump into Middle Earth this month, mainly because I want to paint the minis, but I've discovered just how beloved the rules of the game are. After playing 40k since '87 I find it now to be a game I don't enjoy, so I'm massively keen to get rolling with the new starter set soon. It's a shame about the removals, but I would say to keep playing your minis. Legacy isn't a problem if you're not doing official GW tournaments, but I do get that it saps the joy of collecting sometimes. Anyway, more Middle Earth content from you is always welcome, keep painting buddy.

[@manofaction1807]

Hardest thing about this though is that you can go play with them local, with the old good rules set. Their first rules set was fire in a cup. One of their best rules sets ever produced.

[@afrikayt]

The thing with historical wargaming is that nobody can hold a copyright over something like the concept of Vikings and Saxons, Romans and Celts, etc. Literally I don't see why people are still so drugged up on fantasy products, specially those owned by massive corporations like GW. (Not saying fantasy is bad, it's just that I find the historical wargaming communities way less stressful in these terms and are provided with hundreds if not thousands of different products from different companies and places all compatible with eachother)

[@greenghost3509]

First time? This has happened to me like 2 and a half times. (old school orcs and goblins, old school wood elves,(before I knew old world was coming) and a chunk of my Stormcast) I've look at modern 40k and found out several of my orks aren't in the game anymore.

[@MacNally12punchout]

3D printing and OPR will be the death of miniature companies like GW that aren't willing to get with the times. Blockbuster Vs Netflix is a prime example.

[@elbavarden6084]

Condolences bro, that sucks so much. FGW.

[@txhookey5608]

Retired=future collectable. Get a group together that ignores the "update" and lets every unit they have sold continue to participate. If they need upgrades to equal the new units, then make them competitive. That fixes the problem. If it is a global problem, there should be plenty of people in the same boat.

[@Choom89]

After what they did to the Beastmen I just bought a 6th edition rule book and hunkered down. If they release some Old World stuff I like I'll pick it up (as well as the rules if I ever get some games in) but I'm prepared to keep my army in whatever edition let's them play including OPR, etc.

[@WheresMyKiwis]

Even with the new Kill Team.... getting rid of compendium teams? I am done with GW. Ordered a Hivestorm box and decided to return it before it even showed up. That saved me 200$... What I have now is all I'll ever own by them. I'll print or go to a different mini game. Trench Crusade is looking pretty sweet. Malifaux is amazing.

[@yagsipcc287]

As someone who has been in and out of the hobby for 21 or 22 years now welcome to the club. I stopped supporting GW outside of Warhammer lore in 2020 and just print stuff now and support really great creators. I have third edition 40k at home with most of the codexs (can get ang and all online or as a PDF anyway) i also use OPR. Like many in the comments seem to be saying 3d print and use the rules tou like

[@thehallway4228]

I know this will be a controversial approach given the morally dubious nature of the practice, but seeing as GW have just squatted so much of the range... I'm just use the now outdated edition and pick up whatever else I need for these armies as recasts.

[@Czarniak4]

Yes, companies need to earn money, that is the whole point. But when I look at the past and compare it with the present, it looks like companies literally think only about money and not fun, both for table top and pc/console games...

[@scottmcfall4561]

All they had to do is say that your legacy figures are another faction under the same army umbrella, and adhere to the existing stats/rules, then add the new models to the army. Making any hero models interchangeable but under any new stats dictated by the update. There's really no need to scupper a whole army.

[@DazsdWTP]

Remember, you don't have to use the up to date rules, old 40k rule books and the og lord of the rings rule books are cheap

[@hughmac7423]

Yes, this happened to me with 40K several times over the last 30 years, frustrating when they change the rules so much that what you have collected and painted is mostly useless. Use the old rules or One Page Rules instead.

[@BartomiejOwadowski]

They look like they could be used for One Page Rules quick&easy. Also few other nice skirmish games like sword weirdos, deth wizards (for heroes), oathmark or even fast and easy one hour skirmish. Loooots of options! Just do this step and find store that would allow you to play something else than GW stuff ( or create place with friends)and you win. Great content - many thx.

[@arzer114]

Models being removed only matters if you play competitive. If not, while it is not commonplace in the warhammer community, “Homebrew” is still perfectly acceptable if your playgroup approves.

[@stevenray8737]

Games Workshop is only the market leader in tabletop wargaming, not the whole market. There are plenty of other good games to continue using these miniatures; Oathmark, Dragon Rampant, Frostgrave, Five Leagues From The Borderlands and Rangers of Shadowdeep. I'm sure they'll see use in D&D as well!

[@xyonblade]

BattleTech has never outlawed any miniatures. Games workshop should learn from them

[@shaundaly1134]

I fundamentally disagree with what GW is doing. Its why I skewed towards non GW systems & historical models for LOTR gaming.

[@Trayzentheinfinite]

Me and the 4 other beastmen players feel you my man we feel you

[@Choom89]

Brayherd 4 lyfe!

[@BillWD]

Yeah it's disgusting. - 1st I got screwed by fantasy coming to an end for AoS. - Next my Beasts of Chaos got canned from AoS - Then my Deathwatch got removed from game pretty much. 3d printers and proxying is so important. Unless you play at a GW store there is no need to use their minis, or if you have some minis of theirs you love, just use them as something else. I do everything I can to not directly give GW minis. I have more to say but I've said it so many times on comments before I can't be bothered to go on.

[@SrenHolm-k3o]

GW cannot be trusted. SHould at least give a 3 year warning or something before deleting units and armies. Or even better: Not delete units and armies.

[@EqualityoverEquity]

GW's practices of marketing and supply have been awful over the last decade. The line, "Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products" is on point. Creating artificial demand through limited supply, stopping rules support for old models, website queues, and the fear of missing out are all prominent strategies. They want you to purchase impulsively. As a group that his pigeon holed themselves into the box of a "miniature company," there is no easy way for them to combat 3d printing. Instead, they get their customer base excited and push for them spend on the next thing while quietly putting the old out to pasture.

[@Pemmont107]

As an AoS Beastmen player, I hear you. My entire collection will be officially unplayable come the next edition. I can only suggest you either try proxying your models (I plan to use my Beasts as Slaves to Darkness, for example), and/or try alternative games with your minis. One Page Rules is a popular choice at the moment!

[@Choom89]

Brayherd never dies!

[@Pemmont107]

@@Choom89 Mooo!!!

[@mikepaulus4766]

I had a tomb kings army and with AOS it was suddenly just Egyptian looking skeletons. They were worthless for years. They announced The Old World, and sold it.

[@ruas4721]

And with the Old World they have the worst Fantasy version ever + half of the factions are legacy with terrible rules and no updates. So well ... even if GW revives something, it still sucks.

[@paulsr.1090]

GW has lately been proving there is no reason to buy small or older factions/models. And with so many price hikes in the last few years, I see less people start new armies also. Pair that with a bland refresh in both mainline games and I've also seen attendance to events slow.

[@svenv460]

As an original Squat collector, I know the feeling. I have various RT and 2nd edition 40k armies and projects + various Mordheim warbands and an Estalian/Tilean army. From the collector side of things, discontinued models can be a blessing. They will go up in value the rarer they get. If you have experience converting, you can always turn a pile of oldhammer gems in to a unique and funky army/gang/warband. I've been upcycling my old squats into a new playable gang (or army at this point). It holds value really well. The average 25/28,5/32mm model would sell for 50ish euro, with some rarer ones going into hundreds or multiple hundreds a pop. The entire gang/army is already worth more than my car ;)

[@muksa4038]

as someone who can't afford minis bc of country I live in most of them time I just team up with 5 people and go on ebay auctions and bid for something we like, if it's painted and I like it then cool, if not I remove paint and do it over again, and as such we (my friend group) don't play official tournaments or something so our armies that got "removed" are just still here, we will still play with them, why should I spend my monthly income just to make new rohan/wildlings army, my point if you enjoy hobby with friends this "removing" almost means nothing

[@mattg8860]

Stopped playing and buying GW products years ago and got into historical wargaming. Never have to worry about my armies getting nerfed and I get more for my money.

[@EmperorFawful]

I feel like Legacy/Legends rules should become more accepted, even if you don't have a local gaming group aside from the local Games Workshop. It should also be more accepted to just play with rules from an older Edition of the game, if both parties agree on it/build their list around it - because while Legends/Legacy units won't be updated by GW in any game, it's still their models, that they produced, so hardly any store keeper can prohibit you from taking them to a local game, if they're a 100% original model. Wheras GW as a company should also do an archive of older edition rules on their website. Heck, even if they sell it online/as a hardcover for order for a reasonable prize I also wouldn't mind, but that way they'd also prevent people from showing up with fan-edited wikis like Wahapedia for their rules on older editions. But given that buisiness doesn't always mean that something should make sense, hard to tell if they'd go that step. That would also help to make people take Legends/Legacy unit profiles more serious, because then there's no fear that they'd be gone forever at some point.

[@esotabletop]

You make a very good point. I guess the caveat is that in a few years time the legacy rules will be outdated versus the newer miniatures, so can you truly have a fair tournament or friendly battle if you are using them.

[@brycedery9596]

@@esotabletop Yep the legacy models have until 11th, at which point they'll be dumpstered.

[@JimmyQG]

Then we will update them. These armies won't go away for this edition for sure. The online community has never been better so no worries ​@@esotabletop

[@leeedward2574]

Warmachine just do so. I know they're not in good shape, but hey, not even single model was kicked out from Warmachine since day1

[@barazo1011]

My plan. Buying a printer and switching to Malifaux and Trench Crusade... I'm gunna get away from GW before it's to late! Even returned my Hivestorm box because I said screw GW...

[@Kyrantula]

GW have been doing this for decades. Get your armies, scan ur books and play with friends. We still play 5th ed 40k cos we prefer it - dont let a multimillion dollar company dictate how you should play with your toys.

[@leeedward2574]

I really don't get why everyone just follow whatever GW says? We own the game, I mean.

[@breandan3280]

First...yes it's absolutely okay to be upset about this. Personally I'm not happy about it myself. I wish that GW would at least offer a "made to order" service like Reaper Miniatures does for older metal models that don't sell well. Yeah you'll have to wait a bit to get them, but you can still order them. GW already has the molds, they're not losing money by doing this. As for rules... that's the issue. Reaper can do this because they mostly make generic rpg minis, and they're not tied to a rule set. So there's no point in GW offering anything for sale if there's no rules, despite a lot of us just wanting these minis to paint and collect. That said, I think the Dunland army will be okay. I wouldn't doubt if some new version of the horsemen becomes available and the old Dunland hereos could be used as generic captains and such. It's not perfect but it's a solution that most of the other armies don't have. Unless you're in a competitive event, I doubt anyone would care if you're using them as proxies, especially if they're GW minis. I'm worried that my Rangers of the North army is done for, myself.

[@blakearius]

I literally looked at these models last week and thought "they are due for a resculpt." Same reason I won't buy Blood angels assault terminators(even though terminators are my fav space marines). It was murphy's law that this happened the day after you throw down cash.

[@malefic5254]

Recasters are gonna be eating good

[@calvanoni5443]

Ive got a few sets of the 1st ones they did after the first movie, but the cost was too much to buy anymore, & i just dont support GW ever since.

[@leeedward2574]

Yep, no one should get tricked by the same dirty trap more than one time.

[@Ruffy112]

The rules-change upon finishing your army issue is real lol. I even stopped building my large 2000pts Ork Army and just paint my backlog for fun. Instead I get a Combat Patrol AT MOST or rather focus on Kill Teams and Necromunda Gangs for the game. I can paint up 10 guys fast enough to play them as I envisioned

[@couchpotatoe91]

Easy solution from trading card games: Have a vintage/legacy format where people can play with all armies which is less focused on big tournaments and more on providing people who have been into the game for decades to play with all their toys. You can still have the current format where you feed new miniatures to people who are excited for new things and have so much time that they want new things constantly. This would be more competitive with tournaments, constant balance changes, etc.

[@TheWarlock97]

Just more reason why buying used armies are better &,.. 3D PRINTER GO BURRRR!!!!

[@markgrehan3726]

“Most of these miniatures will be going off sale, and some have already been unavailable for a while, but they will still be receiving Legacies profiles so people with existing collections can continue to enjoy using those miniatures in their games. Certain miniatures are being rolled into different profiles, while a few are being removed from the game. It's surprising to hear that so many people can only game at G.W. stores or events rather than at a club where most people wouldn't care.

[@stephenwood6663]

I had a Slaves to Darkeness army for AoS, composed entirely of Warcry gangs. They looked *gloriously* chaotic. All defunct now.

[@ajtame]

Blood Angels player, welcome to the club.

[@Janovich]

Saw the writing on the wall and sold all my lotr armies a while back.

[@Schyzofrenic87]

*pats the seat next to him on the Bolt Action bench* come on over brother , you are one of us now.

[@jamesmaclennan4525]

My Mordor Army was gutted and will now be going over to being my Dragon Rampant Army. Thankfully my Iron Hills hasn't been affected

[@Blutgang]

I'm a old guy, and after marriage and 4 kids I am back to gaming after almost 25 years break. I only proxy figs or play miniatures agnostic games. My history is I played the original single book hard copies of fantasy and 40k. I went a little past those but rejected from the GW economy. Saying that, I truly feel you man.

[@timlarson2833]

I’m sure GW will give dunland a full glow up with the new edition as they are the new bad guys

[@neilnesbitt3412]

Virtually everything you said is wrong. Pick an edition and pick an edition or game and play it. Stop letting Games Workshop control you. Use your mini and forget the latest cash grab from the crooks

[@surful]

Except it’s getting other people to play that edition you like and for many a causal gamer to walk into a store and say let’s play 4th edition WHFB is going to be difficult

[@notreallydavid]

'Rohan, on the other hand, did not lose their horses...' That might have been a 'You're kidding' too far.

[@Miniature_muse]

As another person who had started a dunlending army i feel you. My play group doesnt care and we plan to use legacy rules. But I am grateful i had proxied most of my list anyway

[@Ledshot]

Ooof, I said it would be cool if you came back but this wasn't what I wanted.... Monkeys paw situation.

[@dovahfett5919]

I didn't know you had a channel for minis too, also I was so close to adding Dunlend to my Isengard force

[@PKApocalypseGames]

I lived through Warhammer Fantasy 5th 'HeroHammer' to 6th (Killing off Special Characters and Forcing alot of Regimental purchases), i continued through 6th to 7th 'Horde Hammer' (Thats Right even bigger units) then come 8th and the 'End Times' (Thats Right Fantasy is Dead... Roll in Age of Sigmar) ... the perpetual tread mill of GW churns on and the Rate is INCREASING.

[@bouncingbeebles]

Were you not aware that War of the Rohirrim was coming? It was clear in my eyes that Dunland would receive a range refresh. "Miniatures removed from sale and entering Legacies: Thrydan Wolfsbane, Frída Tallspear, Gorûlf Ironskin, Dunlending Chieftain, Dunlending Huscarls, Dunlending Warriors, Dunlending Horsemen" Are you aware that Legacies means they _will not be removed from the game_ - they will have rules printed for them, only not tournament-legal lists.

[@themaypole]

Haven’t collected or played for years but I just bought a dreadnaught as a curiosity after KZbin threw GW content onto my home and watching this is how I learn my beloved Erkenbrand is no longer canon 😭

[@Silverdragon83X]

The Lord of the Rings miniature game always was about the copyrights. The miniatures from characters of the movies had to be "allowed" to be released in the final version from the actors. Then GW had rights from the movies, some rights from the books and for limited time even the rights to create own, named characters, but this all is limited and might end, then they have to remove thos miniatures... And as the new movie is coming out, they use this chance to make a little soft-reboot with more control, using a hype over limited time and "balancing" the game and having the opportunity to make new sets to sell...

[@PascalWirth-n3p]

Should at least keep the Dunling until they have replacement. There complete lack of armor was always off-putting for me, and foreword resin is a pain. It would admittedly been kind of fun for Angmar models to be immediately thrashed just to really drive home who GW is today.

[@little_isalina]

i wouldnt be upset about miniatures going out of production and being moved to legends, if GW hadnt just proven with AoS that they arent going to keep the promise they gave when Legends first came out, and that being a legends unit just means youre on death row to eventually stop having rules at all.

[@billbales8530]

For me, this is not okay. The promise when I got into the hobby almost a decade ago was this: Invest in the game, buy the models over time, and slowly grow your collection. They'll be worth it, and you can play the game for ages, just buying new stuff as you want. That is no longer the case. Primaris stripped that possibility heavily, and seeing the range purges, the downsizing of rulebooks, everything else... it's disheartening to see. Then you see other games, like Battletech, where the systems are more interactive, the collections last for decades longer (I got guys at my LGS still using old metal models from the 90s, and have even used some myself), and they're cheaper for the same length of game. I hate being negative about it, because I love the lore and universe of 40k (the game I got into), but its just... insane.

[@Runeinc]

As a collector mostly it pisses me off when they squat things and mention it midday, midweek so you can't nab any while at work, I'm now having to trawl Ebay for the models at a reasonable price. They should really do this on a weekend. Though I feel they should keep some of the models around for collectors or just make them Made To Order. This is me talking purely from a collectors stand point. As for when the models are gone or such I normally repurpose the models for things like Oathmark or other system that are models agnostic.

[@craggylotus]

Made To Order would make most sense. "hey, we're getting rid of these in 3 months, let us know within that time and we'll take your order and sell them to you one last time" would let them get a bunch of sales they wouldn't otherwise, either from people speculating for the future, or just folks who've not been able to get the models because they've been out of stock for months (Savage Orruk Boar Boyz for example) and would let them retire the models without too much complaining. Of course, this is the only company I've ever bought from who don't understand what a Pre-order is and instead just make as many of something as they think they'll sell, and then let people buy the items a week or two before they plan to post them out.

[@BitzboxTV]

It's a shame The Fallen Realms are being removed. They are such beautiful miniatures

[@marvinp90]

Every time I get tempted to dive into a Games Workshop game stories like this come up and I nope out and find another game

[@imkringe439]

similar thing happened in aos, i feel like most of the models, apart from the more obscure ones, will just be updated with new models at some point like what happened with storm cast, i think you're army will be fine and can just use old models

[@Spenglenoodle]

Tutorials are fun but I think a better longform project you can incorporate that into is an army journal/project log where you sort of just catalogue/video your process of building an army ranging from lore/inspiration, painting kitbashing etc

[@ronstout2820]

Yes, I was going to buy a bunch of classic land speeders a couple weeks before they got rid of them. I’m glad I didn’t.

[@Doctorduckbutter77]

First time? I am a 90s Squat player who pushed a lawn mower around the hot Florida sun to buy an army as a 13 year old. Then be told by other players that I couldn't play because I didn't have a codex. Then 3rd dropped and was completely eliminated.

[@Frabnoil]

Uh, those are Middle Earth miniatures. Intended for Warhammer: Middle Earth Battles. Not surprised they pulled the plug as they probably no longer have the rights to make them. BUT! You have the minis. You can still use them.

[@davidwasilewski]

GW have been doing this for decades. I used to own a squat army for 40k and a beasts of chaos army for AoS. No longer! I’ve sold all my Warhammer very recently. The only GW games I play now are Warmaster and Legions Imperialis. 3D printers are brrrrr-ing!

[@linamishima]

This is why I dropped out of the hobby back at the switch to third edition 40k. Not so much the rules changes, but the realisation that my existing investment in miniatures didn't matter to them, all that mattered was future sales.

[@dominikfittschen2955]

I know it's not the same but if you want to play Dunland than use the Rohirrim army list. For every named Dunland you will find a Rohirrim and if you need saruman use gandalfs rules.

[@tinnedtea]

Use the mini's to play historical battles instead.

[@bendeguzvarga816]

There will be new dunland profiles, you will be able to use these minies easily. Even at GW tournaments I think.