Games Workshop's latest Lord of the Rings Warhammer reveal is NOT GOOD!

[@EricvonGuttemberg]

We couldn't care less here in Spain, since there is not a single GW tournament in the whole country 😂 Legacy models (and 3D printers) will still be canon here, regardless of whether GW likes it or not.

[@twotreesgaming]

And in terms of profiles you'll be good all the way to the follow edition on Lagacy..!

[@TechnicolorDave]

@@twotreesgaming- legacy models will likely be underpowered so GW sell more power creep new things, then they’ll be deleted in the next edition.

[@jonreyes587]

As a player getting into mesbg when the new starter set comes out, I am glad to know ahead of time what’s going to be discontinued.

[@twotreesgaming]

Yep, you couldn't be jumping on at a better time and it really will make the game easier to get to grips with. (also it's an incredible game, you'll love it!!)

[@repthe21st66]

If you're a 40k player, losing double digit profiles is just Tuesday. We feel for you, brothers and sisters.

[@twotreesgaming]

Haha, as someone who has never played 40k - did it improve the game?! (please say yes :D)

[@repthe21st66]

@twotreesgaming tldr: sort of. It's generally done with the external intent of simplifying and streamlining a model range, and the internal intent of updating a model line or removing problematic ones. Also they will often stop production of a model if it is outdated, doesn't sell well and to remove clutter. The most notorious example of this was when the whole Space Marine line was replaced by a new line of Space Marine models. Over the last few years, most space marine from the old line stopped receiving support or being purchasable or even legal to run anymore. The new space marine line looks better, sure, and it's more accessible to new players, but collections of decades were invalidated, and the old space marine line was working fine, generally. We see this happen every year and with every new edition in smaller scales than this, sometimes with entire factions being lost. So in conclusion, generally speaking the reasons for this tend to be inexcusably corporate with little regard for the consumer, but we do generally -and grudgingly - admit in the depth of time that it's usually fine in the long run. A lot of losses of unique models have no upside for the consumer, and are purely corporate decisions. Still, people keep their models and just use them as proxies. Often, GWs efforts to consolidate 40s factions result in massive removals of cool models; with the only upside being the hope that this ends up in better game health. This is nebulous and can't be quantified or proven. It's a cyclical and and at the end of the day personal argument. Is less better? Is complexity to be sacrificed for accessibility? Is redundancy a bad thing? What do YOU think?

[@TredHedJon]

@@twotreesgaming As someone who has played just about all of GWs games....maybe? But seriously it feels like just a way to cycle through things and get you to buy more. This is a pretty standard practice for GW in their other games now... to me its only a matter of time now that it will be the 'FOMO grab your latest minis or miss out' like AoS or 40k. Makes me sad

[@theendofmyropemydude]

​@twotreesgaming the game? Not really. The experience? Absolutely not.

[@repthe21st66]

@@twotreesgaming I had a huge answer typed up that apparently went to the shadow realm; RIP. Tl;DR: Sort of kind of, not really. GW has a history or removing models for a few different reasons. Reasons like lowering complexity, increasing accessibility, removing redundancies, or getting rid of outdated or problematic lines. The most infamous of such cases was when the entire Space Marine model range started being replaced some years ago and still in that process, invalidating decades of collections from their core audience. Most of the old space marine line now has no rules, or isn't legal, or is actively in the process of being phased out. On one hand, the new line looks better, is more accessible to new players and easy to parse, and fits modern proportions better; on the other hand the old line worked fine mostly and the aforementioned decades of work from people. Personally I think the new line is better, but I didn't have a history of decades of work and investment that got thrown away. They will often also remove individual models that some exec decides is outdated or poses some sort of problem of identity or clutter. These decisions are never made with the consumer in mind and always purely corporate in thought process. Someone can make the argument that, in the long term, what is good for the corporation is good for the game, but that is a weird argument to get into. Often (almost yearly) and definitely with every new codex the game gets shook up. Some new models are introduced and more are being retired. Entire army ranges and subfactions have gone the way of the Dodo, with named characters and their armies biting the dust. Even beautiful, recent models have gone that way, usually to reduce redundancy and clutter supposedly. All this has little genuine effect on the game in terms of improving it on the day to day. It's only positive effects are in the macro scale but on the immediate, it affects the playerbase largely negatively except for the nebulous promise of the vague term of 'game health'. In a way, this is always a very personal argument. Is complexity worth sacrificing for accessibility? Is it disingenuous to arbitrarily invalidate past products in order to try to make things better? Is redundancy bad? What do you think?

[@ThatRandomPainterBoy]

SO MANY book-named profiles getting the sack... It's like GW doesn't know there are books and not just movies.

[@saschaorth5631]

It could be a licensing thing as well, even if they only cull some stuff preemptively, we won't know without a reliable leak.

[@twotreesgaming]

I just hope that it maybe leads to future expansions, it's not cool but maybe they're giving themselves breathing room.

[@darksnap89]

They have said that they only Will go for movies and not Books.

[@duanefleck6286]

Not at all

[@darksnap89]

@@duanefleck6286 what do you think the quete ''Every profile has been reworked so that units and characters’ actions and on-screen presence'' means? they dont say books, they say ''on-screen''

[@wcfromaz]

In September of 2022, I was getting into the game, and my focus was on Fangorn. I made a few posts around the internet pointing out that Quickbeam was actually Birchseed! I was so glad to see they saw it and fixed it in this edition, and I really hope we see other named ent profiles moving forward!

[@twotreesgaming]

Yeah, I've just seen the poster detailing all the ents. I would LOVE more ents, the two latest ent models are glorious.

[@Edward-Plantagenet]

I most definitely will not be buying any more GW made up BS characters from Forgeworld again! Luckily we don’t play in any GW organised tournaments so the figures are still usable but this is GW doing what GW does best!

[@twotreesgaming]

Haha I know what you mean - I wonder if Warner Bros has anything to do with the decision making...

[@Edward-Plantagenet]

@ in all honesty I think the “in the movies or books” line GW peddled regarding what will not be going to legacy is only part of the story. The rest I’m sure is sales / profit based. GW made up BS Easterling heroes that don’t feature anywhere stay, as does Gullivar (I mean, seriously?) while Khamul (actually named in the book) along with other characters actually IN the movies get the chop (I mean you literally SEE Grima get on a horse!). This isn’t selling and / or we can’t be asked to stock it is just as much of a reason I’m sure. GW doing what GW does best.

[@SevenStarsandSevenStones]

I take solace in the fact that every group I've seen seems very willing to continue playing with Legacy units. And as someone who has played in an official GW store exactly once, their arbitrary restrictions really have no hold over me or my friends. Am I bummed out that some of my minis are on the list? Certainly. Am I going to get rid of my minis? Definitely not. Am I going to buy anything from GW in the future? Probably not. But we'll see! I'm willing to be surprised.

[@twotreesgaming]

Yeah I assume this edition will run until Hunt For Gollum so you're gonna be good for a long while, and even with Hunt For Gollum things might not change that much

[@gerriejordaan8385]

@@twotreesgaming I am definitely not happy about this. I have been collecting the range since 2001 and it is pretty annoying that when you want to buy something, it is out of stock or no longer available the next time you visit the site. Then you hear this news and check the site and wonder where the models are with the ones that you have not collected.

[@TredHedJon]

My take on this is keep playing with Legacy minis...but judging from how they have handled their other games, this seems like in another edition or so those legacy models will be not viable to system changes. I am willing to admit to being wrong later...but seen this too much with their other games.

[@andystocking5316]

As someone with a Rivendell and a Lothlorien Army I can't help but notice the faction list has "The Elven Kingdoms" maybe good, maybe bad.

[@twotreesgaming]

Agreed, I had a bit about it and was wondering if it might pertain to list building. Could also be a way of filing profiles as a reference for LL style armies, or just random!

[@joshcoles1255]

Not to be too doom and gloom but I’m really pissed off with Erestor thought we’d have eventually get an updated sculpt for him down the line if we ever did Last Alliance. The new FW orc characters that they added from the supplements is a shame because they have given the game more character without really hurting lore. I get why a lot of it happened but yeah still gutting

[@twotreesgaming]

Yeah, that was my very first reaction and Erestor in particular is a bit crap because he's just returned to the range! I'm hoping it'll feel like a good decision in the fullness of time..

[@joshcoles1255]

@ I’m happy Rumil & Oraphin were safe honestly that would’ve been a big big deal for me as I play Lothlorien in nearly every game I play of SBG and at least one of those feature in every list. Happy the FW Beornings & Easterlings stuff stayed too. Like you say at the end hopefully some good news on the way to brighten things up 🙏

[@KnudAutlermann]

Glad to see someone else is positive. Very few people have faith in our Game Dev because of GW's bad rep. However he's on our side, he's one of us, and knows whats best for the game.

[@XJMX]

But he doesn't get to make decisions at GW- the management tell him what to do. My fear is that this new boxed set will be the start of the new 'edition' phase of MESBG were GW have decided that it needs refreshing every few years so everyone has buy new figures and rules each edition because they don't make money from a solid 20 year old ruleset and 20 year old figures.

[@twotreesgaming]

I agree, I've got faith in him. I understand GW will decide what comes and goes but he'll make what's left work. I suppose if it gets super successful they may want things buffing that don't sell etc but it hasn't been the case so far with MESBG so 🤞🤞

[@2411td]

I've seen a couple of people say this will allow gw to sell the whole range at once. I don't think that's the case, I still expect a rotation system. Some surprises going, I feel.most sorry for serpent horde and moria dwarves at the moment, as these factions now feel a lot less interesting if legacies isn't played. Some big surprises staying on the range though. Woses, hasharin, and black nums probably my biggest

[@twotreesgaming]

Yeah, the more I think about it the more it doesn't add up with what's stayed. Harad has been massively culled but we still have Dragon Cult Acolytes and Iron Guard. Hopefully it means there will be a future supplement sooner rather than later to fill them back out a bit.

[@2411td]

@twotreesgaming I hope you're right, but I suspect a bit more of a combination with corsairs is more likely. To be fair that would provide a bit more variety for the list. But it does dampen the harad identity as a glass cannon hit hard, die fast list.

[@JonHalls]

I think all the deep cut lists are a roadmap for future expansions. We potentially then go into khazad dum, rivendell and numenor as a 2nd age expansion, mid era Rohan with the field of celebrant and pelennor in the 3rd age.

[@ejjebbdbeben]

I Hope you are right

[@twotreesgaming]

I agree with this completely. Balin and Eorl seem like great entry points for a new expansion - although I don't think we'll need more Rohan for a while!

[@ClaymoreLinx]

The titled wraiths I understand, but Khamul is actually the ONLY named wraith in the entire lore. The Witch-king of course has to be in it, but Khamul should have made the cut. Sad!

[@twotreesgaming]

Yeah that's fair, they've definitely skewed massively towards the films. And obviously losing the converted Khamul etc is gutting

[@thomascoutts9242]

I know this is painful, and there are some genuine odd choices, but overall 90% of these are too niche and really show that the range has become too bloated… in my opinion

[@twotreesgaming]

Yeah, the forgeworld ones hurt but the rest has kind of had it's day and I'm excited to see what's coming.

[@julienamand4472]

You know that shelf space is just gonna be used for more ultramarines fomo boxes :)

[@twotreesgaming]

Haha noooo don't say that! :D

[@connorpowell8970]

The timing of that Baron of Dice ad 😂😂

[@twotreesgaming]

Haha there's never a bad time for a Baron of Dice ad...! It brings me great shame to have sold my soul, but I got some freaking great dice out of it. :D

[@luisluis571]

You should do a farewell battle report with far harad vs mordor with razgush, goroth, zagdush and......a GREAT BEAST!

[@twotreesgaming]

Yeeeess! This comment has been popping off in our group chat..!

[@_ccann]

Love the video I just wanted to weigh in on something I keep hearing creators say, which is that new players don't want to show up to a table against something they don't recognize from the films. I obviously can't prove that isn't true, but I can at least say in my anecdotal experience there are lots of players for which that is very much not the case. From the beginning I've been much more interested in encountering book/expanded lore represented on the table than constantly revisiting the same scenes/characters from the films on the tabletop. A lot of the depth and variety from the game is being relegated to Legacies and for me that is a giant signpost that this game is headed in a direction that some of us are going to dislike.

[@twotreesgaming]

Thanks for the constructive response! I think the "way in" to the hobby is most often going to be through the films or books - especially with the new one coming. But in terms of expanded stuff, I guess I might be wrong because they have still left a ton of stuff like Easterling heores in the game that are GW inventions. I am struggling to see the reason behind certain choices it has to be said...

[@_ccann]

@ I totally agree that most new players will be brought in by seeing characters from the movies (and to some extent the books) represented on the table, and it makes sense from a business perspective, I just think that there are a lot of players really invested in the game, or who would become really invested in the game, who are more interested in Middle Earth than new line cinemas, if that makes sense. And catering to the first group in this case is alienating the second, whereas in the past it was more balanced IMO. And I hear you, which models were relegated to Legacies and which weren’t seems wildly inconsistent even based on their stated criteria.

[@twotreesgaming]

Yeah I do agree mostly, I have to say for me it went films - GW - Books so I didn't know who was a GW invention and who was out of the book originally. 😅 And I guess that's credit to the original sculpts and ideas, I will miss them!

[@JoshuaFortune-k1b]

I've recently invested in some Moria Drakes/Dragons - do you anticipate many changes for them, moving forward? Thanks so much for this video - subbed!

[@twotreesgaming]

Thanks for the sub, really appreciated! I think they'd have said if they're going so you should be safe. Rules-wise it's impossible to say if they'll change other than they'll be in the game but if I was guessing I'd say Drakes will be similar to now but dragons will probably have a standardised profile as they seem to be looking to simplify things.

[@TheKahiron]

I just wish they'd announced this list earlier. My Far Harad could've done with another couple warriors more, and no stockists in my country seem to have any left...

[@twotreesgaming]

Yeah and it's difficult to know if second hand prices on those will go up or down now...

[@Kazahad1110]

Hey, you guys are way ahead of alot of other channels on this news. I also enjoy how you are presenting it, and your editing skills. Well done! Waiting for the good news now...

[@twotreesgaming]

Thank you so much! It is a bit crazy trying to get them out when we do so very much appreciating this comment! And yep, roll on some good news...!

[@warma-sheen]

Games workshop what have you done!😢😢😢

[@twotreesgaming]

The new day will shine out the clearer!!

[@saschaorth5631]

I like your takes on the matter, especially since you're still quite positive about it. Let's hope for big news and real rule previews too. Also, the new faction names like Elven Kingdoms or Misty Mountains (for moria and maybe Goblin Town) have me intrigued.

[@twotreesgaming]

Agreed - I had a little bit about that in and cut it because I was just rambling in the early hours of the morning really but I do wonder if it may have something to do with list building.

[@burroc5536]

I also expect a dumbed down version of the rules. This is too bad but doesn’t surprise me knowing GWs track record.

[@twotreesgaming]

Yeah I think they'll 100% simplify. I don't mind things like Special Strikes going though so depends on what way they dumb it down

[@MrPlaybeatiful]

Thanks Leon pfff... now Goroth and Zagdush are gone.... Jokes aside, weird that so many troops are gone or be moved to legacies but I am Positive we will get nice new models!!

[@twotreesgaming]

This is the right view imo. It's the newer ones that hurt the most for sure though too...

[@Scotty731]

Best article review video out there, by far. Balanced, good analysis and informative. Sad for Dunland but probably forced 😢 who’s going to burn every village now?

[@twotreesgaming]

Thanks so much - and the obvious answer is new Wildmen!! :)

[@joshmortimer3831]

Thanks for your positive review. I am excited about the new edition and to see what happens to bew armies and the models they contain. it's a nice reset. thanks for the video.

[@twotreesgaming]

Couldn't agree more! Certainly gonna miss some, but good news in the big picture! 😁

[@WokeWinner69]

Games Workshop have been in the business for decades, they know how to run miniature war games. All the armchair generals up in arms about this never cared about the hobby in the first place, you will not be missed. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be enjoying the amazing new models in the new edition with an amazing new film coming out this December. It has never been a better time to play MESBG

[@twotreesgaming]

It really is a great time to jump in- bring on War of the Rohirrim!! 😁😁

[@deanparsons2895]

Great video! Thanks for counselling me through this process 😂😭

[@twotreesgaming]

Haha I'm pretty sure I went through all the stages of grief before I pressed record. Bring on some good news..!

[@jamiesanchez8063]

My three favourite Evil armies…what are the odds?! 😭

[@twotreesgaming]

Gutted! They're three I actually had painted too, it definitely hurts!

[@SantiagoHorsFraile]

Well, I think this is a good move. I totally understand those people with obsolete armies now. I have several models that I'll have to proxy for something else... However, this action means that they are making room for a new range. Also, I was never fond of the Khand and other non-movie charactets... but that's me and your milleage may vary of course.

[@twotreesgaming]

Yep, I'm long term optimistic and short term disappointed. At least the range isn't being ignored!

[@leonrousseau651]

Great analysis of the situation. Im looking forward to the new set up to see how this alll works. I love this hobby and im very excited about the future of it.

[@twotreesgaming]

Could agree more.

[@XJMX]

You might have one of the good guys working for GW, but he doesn't get to make any decisions there, and I am pretty certain this new starter will mark the beginning of an edition based version of MESBG like Age of Sigmar and 40k where you will have to rebuy rules and figures every few years because GW don't make enough profit from a 20 year old ruleset that works fine. I wouldn't even be surprised to see the new models on new base sizes.

[@twotreesgaming]

I'm obviously hoping this isn't the case, we're still super small compared to 40k!

[@star_wars_miniatures]

“The cheeky bugger!” 😂😂😂

[@twotreesgaming]

Haha he was! I wish I'd mentioned it in the GT video, we'd have looked so ahead of the curve..!

[@tylerframpton2113]

I like most assumed it was licensing but the cuts seem a bit random in places. Having gone through similar things with 40k I'm not surprised but mesbg is in such a good place as a game I hoped it would be different. Bit of a wild idea but i have to hope The only thing I can think for why the Easterlings got away so lightly is because they feature more heavily in some of the upcoming movies?

[@twotreesgaming]

Ooh I would love some Easterling action, I shall join you in wishful thinking! But yeah, hurts right now - hopefully its a good thing in the long term and the scattershot choices become a bit clearer

[@michel8666]

I love your positive take on this with many others being so negative. Love the video. Makes me happy. Thx and keep up making awesome video’s.

[@twotreesgaming]

Thank you, it's very much appreciated! There's obviously a lot of sad news but I'm trying to look at the broader picture and I think we're ok! :)

[@darksnap89]

I really dont like that i just have painted My knight of the white tower and now he is gone. 😥

[@twotreesgaming]

Ah that's rough... 😩

[@THX-to6gg]

Bit disappointed about Erestor he was my substitute for Legolas in the Fellowship😢

[@twotreesgaming]

Yeah, I don't like that he's just come back in to be removed. He'll work for narrative scenarios at least I suppose...

[@jeremypardee1895]

RIP Groblog.

[@twotreesgaming]

Yep, never got round to painting him either 😥

[@anonsenpai6533]

Spider Queen/Shelob dual plastic kit is a very real likelihood.

[@twotreesgaming]

I LOVE this idea.

[@caseybox7816]

Great analysis. There are a lot of talking heads out there who get things wildly wrong and are mostly negative. I really appreciate your perspective and positivity!

[@twotreesgaming]

Thanks so much, I can't do talking head videos because I don't have any friends ofc. Jokes on them now! :D

[@masterballuk6780]

nice to see some positive thinking for me its not massive the gw inventions that have gone like you say no one ever goes oh my favorite character is the moria black shield i hate playing against none tolkien models with regards to quickbeam theres a weta ent poster he has birchseed under his picture. i think there is some error some where along the lines. i agree with what you say to quote hot fuzz its for the greater good there will be a bigger picture in the long run i hope the film returns it to the glory days.

[@twotreesgaming]

Couldn't agree with you more, just hoping we're both right! Also, yeah I just saw that ent post actually - probably means no new Quickbeam imminently...

[@danielmccarthy9320]

Fangorn player, and I'm hyped. Maybe we'll get a Beechbone and new Quickbeam pack?

[@twotreesgaming]

I would love that ! Although, I wouldn't put any money on it..!!

[@danielmccarthy9320]

@@twotreesgaming Agreed! I'm just thankful to find a few channels that aren't freaking out about the legacy list. I'm holding judgement till we see what actually is in the new army books, especially the Armies of Middle Earth, before I worry about any of the changes.

[@MagnusSecuris]

Erestor had just been added back to range and I was one of the people who bought him...

[@shadowknight8345]

You and me both

[@twotreesgaming]

I feel for you! That's pretty poor from them, and not just unlucky if you bought him recently...

[@shadowknight8345]

@@twotreesgaming Fortunately they weren't too expensive, but I wasn't expecting some of the things that are going to legacy and was expecting other ones to move to legacy that aren't

[@CapitanMee]

Your generally positive outlook is appreciated.

[@twotreesgaming]

Yeah, obviously hard to be entirely thrilled but the overall outlook is positive.

[@TechnicolorDave]

@@twotreesgaming- don’t forget that if GW is rewarded for cutting models, they will cut lots more models in the future.

[@Brainolf]

I am very positive, I like your analysis, people now complain regardless without arguments

[@twotreesgaming]

That's great to hear - there's no doubt it's sad to see things go, but as Sam says "this darkness is only a passing thing" and really do think it's good for the game overall.

[@atanvarno732]

Orc trackers were always just orcs with bows

[@twotreesgaming]

Agreed, I do wish they weren't the last thing I painted! 😂

[@atanvarno732]

@@twotreesgaming yep and I wish I didn't have 7 primed on my painting desk 😂

[@BrickWann]

I don't understand why everyone insists in saying things like "these models are going" or "this faction is gutted". Firstly, as far as we know, they're not going. They're moving to legscies. In all likelihood you'll be able to play them in non-gw events for years. Secondly, it's a bit silly saying that a factiok is gutted right now. Not only because the models that are "leaving" aren't really lesving, but also because we have no idea how armies will be built on the next edition. So it's entirely possible that the "faction" that's losing things won't actually exist, but rather legendary legion style armies.

[@twotreesgaming]

Yeah this is correct - I'm assuming the next edition will be to tie with the Hunt for Gollum movie so they're good till then. At that point rules might change significantly and I can't see them being used but there's definitely a few years grace.

[@BrickWann]

@@TuorTheBlessedOfUlmo I don't know anything. Neither do you. And I'd rather not complain about things that haven't actually happened. Doesn't seem like the right approach in general if you ask me.

[@twotreesgaming]

I don't get anything at all from Games Workshop, I just think about what I want to see in a video about my hobby. When I sit down to paint and stick on a KZbin video, I want to disconnect from a whole lot of negativity. I know I love this game now, and I've been playing for 20 years, I'll probably still love it in five years time so I'll look for positives and there are lots! (Along with a heap of sad news, of course)

[@B-Twenthe]

No, not Khand, some censured words.

[@twotreesgaming]

Haha "oh nuts" is I'm sure what you were going for...

[@thomasshaw61]

UNfortunitly,gw doesn,t suport middle-earth anymore!

[@twotreesgaming]

It's certainly had dark times, there's plenty of new models on the way with the new film though so I'm hopeful!

[@ThatOriginalOrc]

Fairwell Great beast 😭

[@twotreesgaming]

I know! What the heck! I hope they release the archers separately!!

[@jamesmaclennan4525]

Good Luck playing the Pellenor Fields any more. As for the Mordor List..my army is Shadow Lord, Shagrat, Zagdush with a core of Black Guard Stalkers and Trackers...so it's been gutted. I also think you are being overly optimistic regarding the future of the game. GW just want to make maximum profit for minimum effort.

[@twotreesgaming]

That is rough, there's no gettting around that. Hopefully Legacy stays relevant all the way to the next edition so you might get a few years out of them...

[@hobbyganster]

You let GW get away way to good! 😢

[@twotreesgaming]

We'll see - maybe we'll do a retrospective in a year and see, but look further ahead I do think it's a good thing

[@hobbyganster]

@twotreesgaming i hope you're right. 🤞

[@warma-sheen]

Why the kings champion? He was amazing! 23:06

[@twotreesgaming]

I agree! Who's gonna do all Balin's work for him now?!

[@darrengamer8189]

This video seems based on the false assumption that GW cares about how the game plays. GW is removing any models they are afraid Amazon made claim infringes their Rings of Power rights, and GW accountants are looking at the sales rate for the remaining models without caring about game balance or players that have invested in less mainstream armies.

[@twotreesgaming]

This is true, except that I know the rules team do care and I'm more looking at it from their point of view. GW has said "ditch the morgul stalkers they don't sell", I'm confident (hopeful) the rules team will fill that gap.

[@jonny_apocalypseii1051]

i just bought the last erestor model on gamesworkshop.

[@twotreesgaming]

It's genuinely you guys I feel for most, it's not good. The rest of the range can be considered unlucky and a lot has been gone for a while, the reintroduction of Erestor isn't fair really.

[@stfnknbb]

They're gutting the game.

[@twotreesgaming]

Hopefully it's more of a streamlining...!

[@BB-pn2qv]

This is outrageous. Just no.

[@twotreesgaming]

Haha, it took a second to digest. I'm not loving that my recently painted things will be legacy...

[@BB-pn2qv]

@ I refuse to digest this. So do the friends in my small group. We are sticking to current and just gonna 3d print if model isn’t available.

[@warma-sheen]

Why?just why? 8:13

[@twotreesgaming]

This one hurts and I know it's Zagdush without checking the timecode..! :D

[@MrPopo-nn7kp]

Nothing they have done in the last 5 years has been good.

[@twotreesgaming]

It's been sporadic but I think there's been some solid releases like the Beornings.

[@ejjebbdbeben]

Tbh I didn’t care for some of the models in the first place. The Dunlending „Vikings“ doesn’t fit the lore for example. I’m glad they gone. Another one is the old Balin that doesn’t look like the hobbit version. I just hope this means we get new models for the factions and doesn’t mean all factions will have less variety.

[@twotreesgaming]

Yep, I'm hoping this too. It sucks right now but hopefully it's going to give them a bit of freedom to expand where the range needs it in other ways now.

[@warma-sheen]

Not shagrat 13:33

[@twotreesgaming]

He's ok too but he's not gonna be beefy, he'll just be as we see him in the films

[@warma-sheen]

Raza! 5:55

[@twotreesgaming]

Haha Raza is ok don't panic!