Why Is Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes SO HATED?

[@dionysius.l]

It was actually Kojima’s idea to make the cutscenes this way. Silicon Knight originally presented a version that was much closer to the original, but Kojima wanted them to go crazy and make it way different

[@olivier4916]

Solid snake fighting skills in cutscenes should be the way they did here back in ps one was probably harder or impossible to achieve

[@filipeflower]

@@olivier4916 If they can make Gray Fox perform those fighting skills in a PS1 game, then there's no reason that prevents them from doing the same with Solid Snake or other characters.

[@boq780_2.0]

To go crazy and make it was different doesn't mean to make it goofy and worse

[@filipeflower]

@@boq780_2.0 That depends on the perspective.

[@boq780_2.0]

@@filipeflower yeah but the cutscenes and voice acting aren't just different but it's just bad and half the time they have no emotion when they should

[@J9Daking]

The graphic improvement with twin snakes was incredible… should be included in the master collection

[@dirtypms]

Should have been

[@Dimez757]

Hopefully they put it in vol 2!

[@cooky187]

Yeah I’m pretty pissed that it’s not included. Also would have been nice to get peace walker too

[@FoxLeader435]

Definitely hoping it pops up in vol 2 with peace but who knows

[@Brayden-xn1cl]

I hope we get mgs4, peace walker, mgr and the twin snake as a bonus

[@MukiMuki688]

People are overthinking it. Konami was just like "Wut if MGS1 played like MGS2?" That why the game got made.

[@miki49]

Exactly

[@jackflynn412]

I remember reading it was cause Nintendo wanted a Metal Gear game but I can’t find a source on it anymore

[@stinkybeam]

Twin Snake was the only reason I bought a Game Cube. I am surprised people hate it. And in those cut scenes comparison, I saw no problem with the Twin Snake.

[@JackCrossSama]

Also the cut scenes look like that because of Kojima, He didn't want a 1to1 copy of the game because he didn't want another version of Metal gear to outshine his.

[@Xamry]

Same same same same! I was looking for it in the year 2008. Found it at a Game Stop, sheer luck, but D A M N.

[@Xamry]

I loved it

[@foughtthelol]

There was also at least couple more reasons to get a Gamecube, REmake, RE4 and argueably 0

[@Xamry]

@@foughtthelol The second reason that sold me a Game Cube was Mario games! The very games I never bought 😅 I got a ‘cube way late in the game and their games being sold at stores were being phased out 😭

[@Koopakid917543]

If you've played the original a million times like I have. You don't need to watch the cutscenes. Which is why I like twin snakes almost more then the original. It looks better, it's easier, and more fun to play through if you're trying to speed run it in an afternoon

[@coleburns362]

THANK YOU. TTS is my personal favorite version of mgs1 and i see literally Nothing but hate for it from the mgs community, you're literally the first person I've ever heard say a positive thing about it. but any justification for that hate either comes down to the game being too easy or the cutscenes being over-the-top and cringe. First-person aiming Does make headshotting guards easy, but the original game is already Super easy (aim-assist socom already makes every room a literal shooting gallery, the psg-1 already lets you one-shot guards from across the map, and having corpses instantly vanish removes any need to actually Be sneaky). Plus the mgs1 map design leaves you VERY few situations where the mgs2 mechanics are Actually helpful (like how often does flipping over a rail or dropping off a ledge Actually help? Cuz I can only think of 3 spots, with one of them being exclusive to the TTS version and other two only saving you a couple of seconds each.) So I see the new movement and combat mechanics as more for player comfort and accessibility than anything. And the cinematics Are very over the top, but the thing that MGS fans typically hate to admit is that... MGS was Always cringe. If a player can take the story seriously after seeing a ninja in a robot suit turn invisible and cut off the hand of an elderly Russian cowboy, or after seeing that cowboy get periodically possessed by the ghost of the clone of the student of the greatest soldier of all time, then i don't think the addition of slow motion back flips is Actually breaking anyone's suspension of disbelief. Those always felt like cheap and melodramatic excuses to hate on the TTS for being anything other than a straight graphical upgrade to the ps1 game.

[@valentinobambino6728]

Word. As a kid I played OG mgs a lot and I hated the long codec conversations. So when I found out you could fast forward like in mgs2, I was so happy.

[@critchblackpoolful]

You're a fool

[@stevensosa7]

Idk.the graphics are better of course but I'd say the art direction is still better in the original. The stage design, the lighting etc. in the remake look kind of bland and muted.

[@noooname2568]

I hadn’t even heard of it being hated until I saw this video Personally, I loved it

[@dontestewart5176]

I'm with you on this. I knew there were some who didn't like this game, but had no idea it was hated so much. I loved the experience as well

[@jackskellingtonsfollower3389]

A lot of hate for remakes is primarily internet nonsense. People online want to complain for the sake of complaining and since they aren't doing so in person, they feel untouchable. I guarantee most of these people wouldn't spread so much hate if they were in public.

[@johndoe-ek6vl]

@@jackskellingtonsfollower3389 what the fuck are you talking about. It's a video game.

[@walmartian422]

Like the other commentators said it’s a narrative that was completely fabricated on the internet and repeated by thousands of people that never played the games.

[@judgmenthammer5254]

I know a lot of ppl dont like the flashy over the top cutscenes, but I always saw The Twin Snakes as the Legend of Solid Snake. Like what Raiden would have seen in running the Shadow Moses training. MGS is what Snake actually experienced, and TTS is all of the hearsay.

[@busterdagger4797]

I actually liked playing this game

[@NobleBoss]

If it had the og voice acting and music it probably wouldn't have been as controversial. I like some of the new cutscenes, the fight scenes demonstrate the superhuman abilities of Solid, Liquid and Gray Fox's

[@thewintersoldier8387]

​@@NobleBossI still love it

[@anamarin146]

I liked but its not asvGood as the OG

[@sigmazero3325]

I liked having Metal Gear Solid on a (then-)modern console. It does not hold up at all though.

[@deimosok2003]

You just prefer the OG because of your nostalgia...Ive played both Twin Snakes and MGS1 and I have to say Twin Snakes is awesome! And it deserves a remake!

[@Steffox1312]

Played it and it was as awesome as the original. Yeah some cinematic have been "exaggerated" but it's in the theme of mgs. I loved it!

[@ExcelHedge]

Twins Snakes is just as "exaggerated" as MGS4, 5, and Revengence

[@NobleBoss]

​@@ExcelHedgeMost MG games are exaggerated MG1 Snake punches a thick Wall with his bare hands to escape his cell MGS1 Psycho Mantis breaks the fourth wall MGS2 you've got Vamp MGS3 a man that flies around with bees MGS4 Raiden breakdancing with Geckos PW Big Boss lifts a metal gear Rising Raiden also lifts a metal gear Phantom Pain, you've got a giant firewhale eating a helicopter.

[@ptroit]

​​​@@NobleBossI wouldn't say Psycho Mantis was exaggerated, but I would describe it as shock value. I think maybe an example of exaggeration is Snake back jumping to avoid a shot, matrix style, in a cutscene with Ocelot. Meanwhile, this turned into a backflip in TTS. Almost every exaggerated moment from OG was turned up to 10 in TTS to the level of silliness, whereas MGS1 took itself a bit (only a bit) more seriously. I loved it back then, but the criticisms in this video are valid and makes the original superior in all ways except difficulty for newcomers and visual representation.

[@valentinobambino6728]

It's exaggerated because snake's abilities are enhanced by the nanomachines Naomi injected in the briefing videos. That's why he could hear and react to Ocelot's gun.

[@kevinkite3418]

Twin Snakes feels exaggerated only because it came later, after MGS2 when the MGS series started to create more crazy cutscenes and visual experiences. Every MGS game after MGS1 feels a lot more exaggerated than the original PS1 game.

[@joeveldiaz3119]

I was 12 years old when I played MGS. When I found out they were remaking it on GameCube I was excited. I loved twin snakes as much as I loved the original.

[@headlessdisco730]

Main basic reason: Nostalgia I personally prefer this because MGS2 is my favorite, but I love both versions. I did play the OG before this one however.

[@MichaelJones-by9ng]

Is it me or are the twin snakes cutscenes actually really good?

[@mannybananny2259]

Just you. They’re super corny

[@jackflynn412]

@@mannybananny2259I think they worked for Gray Fox but not for other characters (especially Solid Snake himself)

[@fallaciousUnion]

@@mannybananny2259metal gear is corny eat shit its not the 90's anymore

[@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley]

The acting is still great, and some of the shots are genuinely very good. The problem is how some over-the-top additions break serious moments. The examples shown here are great becuase, while not the most ludicrous additions in the game, they do showcase stuff too corny for what the scenes are supposed to convey (I had a hard laugh when Otacon tripped after getting the riffle).

[@Fuk99999]

I mean they’re stupid, but in cases like Liquid on the railing, I think they work well.

[@endeavouring1]

Played the hell out of the original and I still enjoyed Twin Snakes. Hell, every once in a whle, I enjoy playing it again through Dolphin. I always laugh when some parrot the same silly argument that first person mode breaks or makes the game far too easy as they're forced to use first person for the entire game.

[@sandmaker47]

But it does tho. The original level wasn't really designed for fp. Like going back to play Mario 1 but with the super cape from Mario world

[@sigmazero3325]

@@sandmaker47this

[@headlessdisco730]

@@dream8350 I have a fairly cheap HP Intel laptop, that runs almost every game on Dolphin very well. It was about maybe $600 or $800. Compared to PCSX2, Dolphin runs very well. It does however for me sometimes crash but I don't know why because it's run fine before I never made any changes outside of putting every game in 720p.

[@headlessdisco730]

@@dream8350 Xenia is still very embryonic at the moment just give the guys some time.

[@pedrogoncalves4585]

@@dream8350 dolphin runs pretty well

[@playasykesYT]

I really hate how Twin Snakes gets a bad rep, when it is easily the best remake we got for MGS 1. The whole thing with ppl hating on it cuz of over the top cutscenes, yet MGS 2, 3, and 4 exist and has the MOST over the top cutscenes period. Especially MGS 4 with Raiden fricking breakdancing while fighting robots and vampires.

[@Fuk99999]

Not that I disagree, but “best” isn’t a metric here. It’s the only remake MGS1 has

[@TomNook.]

Played both, loved both. I wanted Twin Snakes on the Collection

[@donkeykongisytpooping3002]

Good news is the Master Collection acknowledges Twin Snakes in some of its documentation for MGS1. Might be in Vol 2.

[@boq780_2.0]

Dude Nintendo partially owns it it's not coming

[@filipeflower]

@@boq780_2.0 How do they own that?

[@paulseblano2761]

@@filipeflowerwell there’s Nintendo Easter eggs in there. You can also find figures of Mario and yoshi in the room where you meet otacon. And I think you can find a game cube somewhere (I forgot where it was).

[@filipeflower]

@@paulseblano2761 It was in OtaCon's Lab. But still, what stops them from removing those Nintendo Easter eggs?

[@walterkovacs2865]

From what I remember the only reason people hated this game was because it was a gamecube exclusive. It was playstation fanboys who never played it who trashed it back in the day. Nothing is wrong with it. I saw it as MGS with MGS2 controls.

[@solonepeon5805]

Thank you! Yeah definitely when it came out all the PS fans got together to hate on it so they could force a movement to get the game to sell bad & thus making Konami to release it for the PS2. Good thing that didn't happen & hope it gets another release on the Switch or Switch 2. It just seems right Switch gets it because we sure in hell ain't getting the 3rd remake. Oh & just hearing hideo say how he would like to remake MGS 1 shows that he knows about fans were hating on twin snakes & he wanted in return do a remake for the Sony fans. Anyway let's see what the future holds with vol 2.

[@Moleman_eyes]

Unpopular opinion, I liked Twin Snakes 😕

[@finallimits1]

Same. Only reason I got a GameCube back in the day

[@revanchist5596]

It's MGS, how could you not like it?😂

[@MinbadTheFourth]

Same here as well. The hardcore fanatics of MGS are so toxic that their will gets applied and we get nonsense like TTS disappearing from remakes and collections (because GameCube exclusive), or MGS3 being considered the best (because on all platforms), or MGS4 being bad (because PS3 exclusive). See a pattern here?

[@eberlagos6703]

Never heard of anyone hating it, actually. Might be a title for clicks

[@razgriz1ne1ne48]

Twin Snakes and Godzilla Destroy All Monsters melee were my only 2 reasons I got a GameCube

[@sifunmon]

I bet its only people who had the original who hated it. For someone like me, a Nintendo kid, playing Metal Gear on the GameCube was awesome.

[@magrathia]

Don't think that's true.. I loved it

[@MG-wk2eh]

I played TTS years before the PS1 original, so I have no nostalgic attachment to the original, but it actually is the vastly superior version. I didn't hate TTS though, I just remember finding it soulless. I just kind of forgot about it after my playthrough. The original, on the other hand, just has a great atmosphere and legit made me cry at some points (like Sniper Wolf's death).

[@locdogg86]

@@MG-wk2eh if u think thats souless u must not play modern aaa games

[@TotalRandomReviews]

I can assure you that a lot of people who played the original either love this version more or the same as the original, I include myself in the better then the original camp.

[@MrRed88]

How is liking twin snakes only because you had a gamecube instead any different than people who would hypothetically only hate twin snakes because they had the original PlayStation version?

[@dman9685able]

People say that they hate first person mode yet the game doesn’t make you use it at all

[@boq780_2.0]

But you can, which means you probably will because it's easier

[@Slaynt89]

You have to use it with the stinger

[@filipeflower]

@@Slaynt89 Just like in the original version of this game. What's your point?

[@filipeflower]

@@boq780_2.0 You can't speak for everyone.

[@kct412]

My biggest gripe with the argument that the FPS mechanic ruined boss fights is that you could just choose to not use it and play them like the original. The original is still the better of the two versions, but I always enjoyed TTS. It’s nice to have the option of playing either one when I go back to it. I actually hope they include it in the Vol. 2 collection.

[@Mozicon]

Right. And it's not like the Ocelot fight was hard anyway. Oh no, they trivialized an already trivial fight.

[@JoseMartinez-mx9sb]

I have NEVER heard of anyone hating this game, even amongst the fans I grew up with. This game was my intro into MGS and I loved it. Have loved the series since. Idk this post has desperate click bait written all over it.

[@AbesCreditPointers]

Same literally

[@popatsot1]

My friend group was the opposite sadly😅. We just didn't like it for some reason. We may have had far too much love for the og version and that poisoned our opinion

[@Mindwalker030]

There was A LOT of controversy around this game when it came out.

[@cidschnubedubaubau6781]

I've seen a lot it, most of it years ago. But I think it's just one of those games that gets appreciated more over time, but it's sad that it's not accessible today. I'll say, I think MGS fans are pretty lucky to have gotten these two versions of such a great game.

[@derwamper1258]

Nono dude, especially recently there are dozens of Videos on YT shitting all over Twitter snakes....and i dont get it

[@SilentKnight25]

Love it or hate, it should still be included in the Master Collection. It's still a Metal Gear game.

[@RaphaelSloanYusukeUrimeshi]

People like to bitch about nothing, this remake was fine and should be rereleased

[@glaive616]

One can dream.

[@ryancirrone3343]

The original was such a masterpiece you can’t re-create perfection.

[@fallaciousUnion]

@@ryancirrone3343 the original hurts my eyes and soul the only reprise from the gameplay being the story. The game is a chore and the reward is the story

[@filipeflower]

@@ryancirrone3343 You call perfection a game with already proven flaws? You can't be sure of that.

[@bennittotheburrito9606]

@@fallaciousUnionliterally how?

[@VegetaEx]

I love this Game and its a shame its only on GameCube. I even like it more as the Original.

[@raidernation2390]

I guess on ain't the only one right on man

[@boq780_2.0]

You like a game with broken boss fights and basically loses all of the points of the game it's remaking over the original game which is also one of the most influential games ever?

[@filipeflower]

@@boq780_2.0 Are you trying to invalidate that user's opinion?

[@boq780_2.0]

@@filipeflower well if they are saying an objectively bad game is great then yes?

[@filipeflower]

​@@boq780_2.0 If that person likes that game, you have no right to judge. Leave that person be.

[@blackhawk65589]

I really loved TTS and this is coming from a person who played MGS1 as a kid and loving that. I thought the redone VAing was decent for being out of David Hayter's paychecks. I can't stand the echo of everyone's audio in MGS1, heck it even has car traffic towards the end of the game. I'll agree that TTS has a weak soundtrack, but I did like how they changed up Encounter from EVERY boss fight, which got old fast. I do disagree with people saying Ocelot's fight was ruined in TTS. There are speedrunners that throw grenades across the room, which out chasing Ocelot. I also played Integral with FPV only and encountered the same issue. I also liked how TTS added hot steam pipes to the Ocelot fight, which is a nice change. But I think both games are good and fans are just holding MGS1 on a pedestal.

[@boq780_2.0]

The redone voice acting has not emotion

[@alexrain1188]

I have no problem with the Twin Snakes. After an obese Bomber on rollerskates; we no longer have the credibility to criticize.

[@Infinite.Worldz]

It's so weird because I was thinking the exact same thing. I love the original (played it on launch) it introduced me to stealth gaming, but damn do I love Twin Snakes.

[@tacticalnoodle8741]

Because people struggle to just be positive.

[@TheMarxistLorax]

This was my first metal gear game as a kid on GameCube and only having a GameCube. Ever since playing the original I’m still fond of this version.

[@juanescobar138]

I haven’t found a bad comment in here yet. Idk why people “hate it” . It’s not even a bad game at all. It’s just preference tbh

[@robotsex111]

I love the Twin Snakes. It actually really bothers me that some people can't appreciate it like I do. I cannot disagree more regarding the criticisms of the cut scenes. I love the re-worked scenes. I love the choreography and bonkers nature of them. It's like watching an awesome anime - I completely dig it. I like the gameplay tweaks, and the better graphics. I remember playing it as a freshman in college; it was the game that got me to fall in love with the series. I will always have a strong love for this game.

[@cbeckwith172]

I agree so much people complain about FPV making it easy but those were features that were added as the series progressed and quite frankly Mgs1 I’s so fuckin clunky with that fixed camera, the cheesy action is a series staple as well idk why so many people think it ruins the remake but like that stuff in MGS3 and 4 and even 5! And 2, shit you play as naked raiden holding your balls in 2 lol 😂 which is why I don’t get why people hate that about twin snakes, it fits more into series canon than the original

[@michaell872]

I think the issue with the cutscenes wasn't that they were over the top, it was just out of character for snake. The series always had over the top cheesy cutscenes, but twin snakes is the only game in the series showing snake doing flips off missiles and running across walls like a ninja. I didn't mind it myself, but I understand the complaints that it changed the tone of the story.

[@Koleuz2]

Honestly, as much as the graphical and gameplay improvements were awesome, the cutscenes just weren't my cup of tea and felt extremely out of place for Snake. Now, don't get me wrong, the series as a whole has a lot of cheesy cutscenes, but this brought it sooooo over the top it passed the threshold between enjoyability and outright insanity. This is all just my personal opinion of course. But even if the Twin Snakes had perfect, 1:1 cutscenes to the original in the PS1 I still would prefer the original version simply because of the nostalgia the graphics and sounds brings me.

[@robotsex111]

@@Koleuz2 Fair enough. I appreciate your thoughtful, and respectful counterpoint

[@andr0zzsenpai]

​@@Koleuz2Then by your opinion you couldn't dig all the over the top stuff in MGS2 and 4.

[@ZekeBarzahd]

I liked it, it was a little over the top, but still fun. Also I recall it getting solid reviews. I'm also a huge MGS fan and didn't see any issue with balancing, and maybe that's because I knew what to expect from boss battles and played mgs 2 a thousand times so knew how the mechanics worked for first person. The only thing I agreed with on your review was the over the top action scenes being cheesy, but I didn't hate it. I just took it for what it was, a different teams take on how a super soldier would fight.

[@MG-wk2eh]

What the fanbase think and what the wider gaming audience thinks are two different things. MGS3 is widely regarded as the best MGS game in the fanbase (it's also my favourite), but it came out around the same time as seriously hyped games like GTA San Andreas so didn't sell as well relative to other MGS games or get 10/10 reviews. MGSV got 10/10 reviews and I believe it sold really well, but it's a pile of dogshit.

[@remasteredretropcgames3312]

A giant walking tank with infra red invisible stealth nukes isnt over the top?

[@filipeflower]

@@MG-wk2eh Those are opinions.

[@ulibarriL]

The remake formula is simple, but difficult to execute. 1. Retain the features that made the original so good. 2. Improve on what the original lacked without screwing up number one. Twin snakes failed on both accounts. While the general gameplay was done pretty good, the boss fights just did not give the same feeling of how high the stakes were in those encounters. They changed the dialogue, added elements that weren't needed, and even took away the challenge of some of them entirely. The music also didn't queue in as effectively as the original. The original MGS was a movie first, and a game that immersed you in it second. Twin Snakes lost that, and it was basically just your run of the mill video game.

[@locdogg86]

Its just weird hyperbolic nitpicks. Still holds up better than most games during that generation

[@kinglookgood]

I've beaten this game about 5 times as a kid. I loved it

[@bridder83]

Same here don't know if buy for ps5

[@brond.8009]

people only hated it because it was a nintendo exclusive. in retrospect, its obvious sony ponies are/were hating the game because there no real reason to hate it

[@CaptainGrackle]

Cutscenes were directed by Ryuhei Kitamura who was known at the time for his zany action movies like Versus and Azumi (Hideo Kojima actually has cameos in both of those films). Some of the stunt team on Versus also went on to work on Devil May Cry 3, Devil May Cry 4, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Bayonetta cutscenes so this type of action is firmly in their wheelhouse. Did the cutscenes fit MGS (at the time)? Not really but as a huge fan of that style of action I loved it.

[@solomonaom1]

None of current console can play this game it legendary for gamecube only

[@hideomituns2184]

In the original sniper wolf dying scene. The foundation was the music so everything had to be according to the music rhythm. So the scene was bound by that it terms of total duration time and the loud and soft parts of the music. In the twin snakes version. Graphics are the main focus. Ohh look at this dog. It's sad now. Oh look at Otacon. He's stumbling now.... Etc. The music was absent so they could take longer on each scene. The pacing really changed.

[@elderleon1844]

Look, I'm sorry but most of these things you complain about simply don't hold up, are you serious about complaining about over the top cutscenes that supposedly don't match the plot (that basically sums up the franchise) in the same franchise in Metal Gear Solid 4 and Metal Gear Rising Are they canonical and set in the same universe? this is simply ridiculous, unbalancing the difficulty could even be a real problem, but in a franchise where super easy exists because Kojima wanted the game to be accessible to everyone, this again is not a real problem, and forgive me for saying but no, the original metal gear solid 1 IS NOT THAT TIMELESS and DOESN'T STAND FIRM AFTER MORE THAN TWO DECADES AFTER ITS LAUNCH AND DEFINITELY HAS NOT AGED WELL, especially in terms of graphics, many may say that this is a piece of cake, but it's not, when a game depends so much on its cutscenes and on being "cinematic", the graphics do play a huge role in immersiveness, and when they are literally square or have texture defects that you can easily notice, this totally breaks the immersion, the sniper wolf's death scene was exciting until the texture of her weapon failed and this completely broke the immersion of the scene, and it's not like the graphics all have to be state-of-the-art 4k, etc. but that they at least resemble a human being, something that the metal gear solid ones don't do, these squares barely resemble a human, which creates a break in immersion, I know that nostalgia doesn't allow you to see this, but I guarantee that many people The new generation also thinks like me, and that makes this game not as timeless as its nostalgia makes you think, I like the original Meta Gear Solid 1 but most of the complaints about the remake simply don't hold up and seem much more like a hysterical fit of fanboy rage than anything counts

[@ExcelHedge]

I'll probably get roasted for this but, Screw it. I'd rather play The Twin Snakes than The Original and it should be ported to other consoles just as much as the other games.

[@finallimits1]

Agreed .

[@kristoffer8609]

If they re-release it, they should at least include the original music as an option, and also make everything a bit more grounded atmosphere wise, fitting with the original.

[@ExcelHedge]

@@kristoffer8609 no. Just no. Go play the original if you want that.

[@kristoffer8609]

@@ExcelHedge I did. Not long ago actually. Meanwhile, The Twin Snakes is like a complete mess and example how not to remake a game. And unless changes are made, that's where it will always be.

[@lncstr01]

Face the music, this is obviously superior if you are really a hardcore fan.

[@afrofantom6631]

cant believe people deride an mgs game for being over the top; mgs2 had a vampire lmaoo

[@2NDFLB]

▪️ vampire ? ⬛

[@socksonfeet8125]

yep, Vamp exists period, so TTS is also on point lol

[@retrorun]

"Hated?" How Snake would answer to your question in the title.

[@2NDFLB]

▪️ title ? ⬛

[@MusicLifeX6416]

Twin snakes is one of my favorites in the series and in my opinion the definitive way to play MGS1 (and I loved the original in its time) . But I'm an action junkie I love all the extra John woo slowmo action stuff. I hope It gets added to one of the upcoming collections!

[@VTorner]

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. It can be healthy when viewed with critical eyes, but man, ignoring that the first MGS on PS1 had all the stink of that generation's experimental 3D gaming decisions is astounding, defies reality. There's a reason Shinji Mikami remade his pioneer game soon after its release on PS1 too. Too much limitations on hardware and lack of knowledge because it was the beginning of massive 3d gaming dev. Resident Evil remake looks like it was in another dimension keeping in mind it was released only 6 years after its original and only one generation forward. Twin Snakes makes various improvements too, maybe not in the same intensity, but it's overall a better polished game, with way less bullshit than its original. MGS always had a very good history but its design problems are massive and makes a game with all elements to be fun a painful chore. Twin Snakes alleviates this hard. And its not an opinion, it's a fact. And everything from the story is in TS. You can argue about oranges and apples but the story is the same, the archs the same, the conclusion the same. It's not the same thing with modern "remakes" where everything is different.

[@RichardGibsonbz]

I liked this more than the OG 👀

[@ErnestJay88]

Solid Snake was a "Supersoldier" so it's make sense if he have superhuman abilities like jumping like he's on the moon or dodging bullets like in the Matrix movies. While original MGS treated snake as "normal human being" even though every character call snake as "Legendary Soldier"

[@Arrowz_88]

At this moment, MGS1 is the only game in the series I haven't played. I've only watched it on KZbin, Twin Snakes and MGS1....and the only thing I find atrocious about Twin Snakes is that it didn't carry over the amazing soundtrack from the original game. That is a massive sin in my book. That's why if they remake the first game, then they NEED to have the original OST

[@ryuuotaku35]

definitely 👍🏻

[@McGeezle]

What's atrocious is watching a whole playthrough of a game as some sort of alternative to playing it. I'll never understand you people

[@Arrowz_88]

@@McGeezle There was no way I could have played it when I got into the series, or else I would have.

[@guitarspud1723]

​@@Arrowz_88both are good. But the ps1 had an atmosphere that really lacked on the gamecube.

[@McGeezle]

@@Arrowz_88 but how is watching it an alternative?

[@alster724]

Pros: Graphics, nostalgia Cons: Music and gameplay

[@Sigmaairav]

The Twin Snakes imo is the superior version and this video convinced me of it. I do not comprehend how people can dislike it and this video failed to help me comprehend the hate and instead reinforced my opinion that the remake on gamecube is the better version of the game by far

[@proto7310]

It kinda passes me off they only include the ps1 version in every collection.

[@toddmansilver12]

i'd love to hear the "it was too over the top" crowd and what their thoughts are on mgs 3 and 4 as well as revengeance. Just saying, let's see if they're intellectually honest and consistent. Hell, you wanna tell me a vampire nanomachine infested psychic wasn't too over the top? Cuz you killed one twice in mgs2. Or how about being chased by a nuclear tank driven by an electrically charged russian knockoff of arnold schwarzennegar and defeating it with a motorcycle and rpg 7? get real. the ridiculousness has been present since the very beginning.

[@KaosNova2]

MGS2 had the slow motion matrix bullet dodge with Snake dodging a bullet from Olga. Snake backflips a whole lot in Twin Snakes. But to me it isn’t as much of an offense to me as the First Person sniping mode. It made Ocelot’s boss fight broken. It also made it easy to just tranquillize all the guards in many areas from out of their range.

[@joaoslarq]

If only square had this percentage of faithfulness to the original FFVII...

[@SausageWardog]

The only thing i hate about it is the price this game goes for

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

I was fine playing this, I didn’t like some parts of the gameplay, but overall it was fun seeing more detailed graphics than the original

[@djp2513]

One of my favorite GCN games and MGS1 is my favorite all time game for any console.

[@Kyle-ii4fp]

Same!

[@Attivian]

I loved this game. I don't care what the haters say. If anything I like the new head canon that this was just Otacon's retelling of the original story. Embellishing the action moments as he saw it.

[@g-i-l3661]

People choose to hate it because it was only for Gamecube - If it was released for PS2 would be different

[@Drexxyl]

I never knew the game was hated so much. I think it's league better than the original, it''s over the top goofy which is exactly what Metal Gear Solid is. And whoever says the voice acting is worse needs to clean their ears, Mei Ling no longer has a bad stereotypical asian accent, and even Gray Fox sounds way better. I honestly think most people never even played this game cuz it was on the gamecube, and is now mad expensive to buy.

[@Stonk_Dude]

Okay, this is BS. I loved MGS TS a lot! Thought some flaws, I wish to hell they remade or remaster this game for newer console and PC generations.

[@wannabkain4400]

I like the game, I like the over the top stuff it was fun. Only gripe I have always had was it made the game to easy the FPS aiming etc so I tended to play it old school best I could.

[@Dirt_Serpent]

What kills it for me the most to be honest is the music. the original had the best soundtrack

[@TevyaSmolka]

I personally liked metal gear solid the twin snakes growing up it was really awesome and cool remake to metal gear solid 1 in my opinion.

[@eliporter3980]

I've beat MGS a million times and still loved TSS. Never understood all of the criticisms of the Gamecube version.

[@IowaRetroGamerDad]

NEVER have I heard it being hated and in fact heard its the best way to play it.

[@seanmurray6380]

It’s literally hated by og fans that played original on release.

[@IowaRetroGamerDad]

@@seanmurray6380 yeah okay... that's why everyone I know loves it more on GameCube than original PlayStation. Controls better and looks better.

[@TobyRieper48]

It just differs too much form the original. Different music, different cutscenes , loses alot of its original art direction. MGS1 is the GOAT.

[@fallaciousUnion]

@@seanmurray6380 consider the opinions of "og fans" doesnt mean shit since their all middle aged redditors who cant handle that their psx slop plays like shit in the modern age

[@filipeflower]

@@fallaciousUnion There's also the PC version.

[@santiagorodriguez9849]

Nonsense, I played the original when it came out and I ended up fascinated, so when TS came out I didn't hesitate for a second and I got it. It was everything I expected and more, the scenes are not ridiculous, considering that Snake is a super soldier. If I could say one reason why the game gets so much hate, it's simply because it was exclusive to Nintendo plane and simple, and obviously you have to hate it because yes, Metal Gear can't be from a company other than PlayStation.

[@maximillionroivas3893]

Who the hell hates this game?! I love this remake.

[@playz452]

Twin snakes was amazing as a fan of the original I loved 1st person and the way better graphics

[@rafaelemarcoli5307]

It will never be the discovery of the original, and sometimes they exaggerate a little. But I would like it to look more modern.

[@HatCHeTHaZ]

Hope this game will be included in the master collection vol 2 as its the only one I didn't play

[@Xamry]

5:15 I’ll never understand Wtf he was going for there. That whole charging at MG never made sense to me. I wasn’t feeling that part much.

[@Leopez02]

I've never played Metal Gear Solid games but im so hyped Metal Gear Solid Master Collection is coming, I will buy and play it with Nintendo Switch because I don't have a ps5 and it's not coming ps4. By the way is there any good Metal Gear games in ps4? By the way wolf is my fav animal. 🐺

[@MG-wk2eh]

MGSV is on PS4. The last Hideo Kojima Metal Gear game. Though whether it is 'good' is subjective. It's highly praised by gaming media and has a lot of casual fans, but I thought it was a pile of a dogshit, personally.

[@Leopez02]

@@MG-wk2eh okay that's nice thanks

[@Mr.Ditkovich.]

I haven't played the original. Should I play this instead?

[@joshdillon9637]

TTS was VERY hit or miss for me. You pretty much hit the nail on the head as far as where I stand with it. Having MGS2 controls in MGS1 was an absolute treat, except for FPS mode seriously ruining a lot of the boss fight fun. Most of the environments were boring and bland, which is also a problem MGS2 had in all honestly. The "creative license" that was taken with the story and cut scenes really detracted from the atmosphere and overall tone of the plot. Turning Snake into a straight up superhero in these didn't feel like a solid choice either. The music was... fine I guess.. but it didn't have the impact of the original. All that said, I don't hate TTS. I just don't like it nearly as much as the original. TTS = 6.5/10. MGS = 8/10.

[@flameofanor1415]

You could simply opt out of using the FPS mode, you know?!

[@klukina9892]

this was hated back because it was gamecube exclusive. i was jealous as ps2 player but not hated this game.

[@mathewyoungblood2357]

I love this game I probably beat it at least 50 times when it came out. I didn't even know people didn't like it.😅

[@530skeptic]

It was fine for what it was. The most baffling thing to me was having to hold down a button to *not* fire the famas. You literally held down the safety button and when you released, the rifle would fire. ...Who on earth thought that was a good idea?

[@swaggsavage313]

I prefer the twin snakes over the og MGS1

[@TotalRandomReviews]

lol it still amazes me that people still complain about this game, all your complaints are superficial at best, the only real issue was the voice acting. THAT'S IT. They took the best from MGS2 and upgraded the look, oh ... HOW DARE THEY!? MGS Twin Snakes is a freaking masterpiece. If it weren't for moronic fans with moronic takes like yours we would have seen a re release of this version by now! Aside from the voice acting MGS Twin Snakes is a WAY better game then the original and the fact that it never gets included with any re releases and remasters is freaking criminal!

[@Dontre]

I played this before playing the original and actually enjoyed the over the top cutscenes. So much, I when I go back to play OG MGS1 I play the cutscense from Twin Snakes on KZbin 😂

[@vellcity871]

I was just upset that they released the game on the gamecube instead of Playstation...where all the MGS games are

[@glaive616]

Weird action sequences, and the voice acting is off.

[@ExcelHedge]

Revengence says hello. 😂

[@barelyprotestant5365]

This was one of my favourite games as a child. I had no idea it was so controversial. I thought it was considered a masterpiece.

[@TheGonemaDD]

MGS on the PSX is damn near unplayable. The GameCube has the definitive version. It's just the PS loyalists talking shit, desperately defending their pixelated relic.

[@matttiberius1900]

This was actually my first MGS game. At the time I remember thinking the game was too easy, a friend pointed out you couldn't 1st person aim or ledge hang in the original. But I liked it, and I still do. The original is better, but sometimes I just replay TTS and don't use any new features.

[@VinLwj]

Other than those Matrix style fight style, i did love MGS TTS.

[@bigboybx9771]

I love the original MGS1 and I still think the twin snakes is a good game. OG 10/10, Remake 8/10

[@xanderlee4733]

This game was awesome. People complain too much.

[@Xamry]

I will admit 7:17 this original Sniper Wolf shot was incredibly impactful originally That was the most memorable scene in the game for me for a while TTS didn’t hit the same.

[@Xamry]

9:12 yup significantly weaker

[@andr0zzsenpai]

​@@XamryNah, the part with wolf is wonderful.

[@fallaciousUnion]

3:49 This isn't really fair when you consider the revolver fight was always piss easy and now you can just point your gun at him. You spun in circles and hit square how is spinning around in circles and hitting a different button any easier.

[@fallaciousUnion]

also your video is SUPER bias while pretending you're not lmao cope harder

[@KaineOfficial]

Nobody hated this remake. It was absolutely beloved.

[@InitialFailure]

I know it's not the talk of the playground these days, but years ago, it was absolutely hated by purists.

[@KaineOfficial]

@@InitialFailure I don’t recall anything like that, most people played it and enjoyed it, maybe some people struggled with the nostalgia of the original game and couldn’t bring themselves to enjoy a new version but the silent majority were fans.

[@InitialFailure]

@KaineOfficial how old were ya when it released? When you played it? I'm genuinely asking as I'm 38 years old so I played it as an adult and have heard it all over roughly 20 years lol.

[@KaineOfficial]

@@InitialFailure I was 18, and I even played the original a lot, and we’re talking about a lot!

[@InitialFailure]

@KaineOfficial yea, the biggest complaints I've heard were pacing and over the top action. Pay no mind to MGSV and a literal man on fire, the geckos from MGS4, MGS2 was supposed to have a character literally named "China man" etc. I think naysayers are Kojima worshippers and don't understand that MGS as a series is likely good in spite of Kojima rather than due to Kojima. I remember the hate for portable ops too.

[@miguelribeiro1601]

The hate is ridiculous How is it not faithful except the action cutscenes? Which to me, are cool to watch even though they are obviously exaggerated I feel like this is a video of someone who didn't like it and wanted to rant about it on an official gaming website

[@TotalTech2.]

There are reasons why Twin Snakes was so hated. 1) When it came out it was marketed as a "new" Metal Gear which was white lie. Technically it was new but it was just MGS1 with the MGS2 engine. So it was disappointing. 2) It added a bunch of needlessly *extreme* cut scenes such as Snake doing back flips to avoid gunfire which was cringe. 3) *IT* *ONLY* *RELEASED* *ON* *GAMECUBE* which was seen as a betrayal since up to that point Metal Gear was a Playstation Exclusive. It felt like Konami was cheating on us. Decent game but it had a LOT of Bull Crap surrounding it

[@razgriz1ne1ne48]

The Twin Snakes SW death scene's only positives were obvious the improved detail, but the wolves being there at her final moments.

[@mathewhaight]

Just got done with a Big Boss run on the master collection. Really hope I get a chance to do it again if this game is in volume two.

[@shapesinaframe]

The real crime was replacing Mei Ling with Rose in MGS2

[@bambammartin1556]

It blows my mind that people don’t like this game. I wouldn’t say I’m a super fan, but I have beaten 1-4 multiple times, and honestly prefer this version over the original. That isn’t to say it’s better or the first was less good.

[@Mindwalker030]

I always preferred the voice actor of this game's Gray Fox to the original. Seems to be a controversial opinion.

[@SuperDutchGold]

I always liked the theory that Twin Snakes is a VR Simulation that Raiden is going through, hence why Snake is so acrobatic

[@JustinLeeper]

Let’s also remember this was Silicon Knights developing and not Konami. I’m sure Konami (and Kojima) had a say, but so did Nintendo as co-publisher.

[@kenshin6553]

The tragic thing is, this game could have been just as much a classic as the original if they had A. kept the original voice recordings, and B. kept the original sound track (or at least kept Best Is Yet To Come)-two things that would not only have been easy, but would have required doing less work than they actually ended up doing

[@joepearson6644]

Its a shame there was no time or budget left to implement VR missions