NES 2 Top Loader | Gaming Historian (old version)

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@Rouz102
@Rouz102 8 жыл бұрын
What made me realize just how old this video really is is the fact that sales for the wii were only at 20 million.
@SuperHappyBros
@SuperHappyBros 7 жыл бұрын
markmunny at the time of the real se of this video oct 22nd 2009 the wii had only sold that much
@C_alonzo103
@C_alonzo103 7 жыл бұрын
and when Norman was interviewing the people at Gamestop and you see old box sets of Guitar Hero and Rock Band.
@jonathanstuart7354
@jonathanstuart7354 6 жыл бұрын
I was about to comment that lol
@OtakuUnitedStudio
@OtakuUnitedStudio 6 жыл бұрын
@Covenant Lazarus when this video was released the Wii had only sold 20 million units. By the end of its lifespan about 5 years ago, it had sold 100 million units, finally beating the NES. Meanwhile, the Nintendo DS sold 154 million units, beating out the PS1. The Switch is currently estimated to be at a bit shy of 30 million, having some 20 million as of last July and.predicted to sell as many by this upcoming April.
@atro4280
@atro4280 5 жыл бұрын
@@OtakuUnitedStudio i will get next offering of Nintendo
@Lumberjack_king
@Lumberjack_king 5 жыл бұрын
Gaming historian marathon start now. oh I actually forgot about this
@RadiaUmbra
@RadiaUmbra 7 жыл бұрын
I always loved the video structure of Gaming Historian: If the product failed: it introduce what it was, how much it cost, what was its purpose, then it gets to more precise details to why it failed. While if the product actually succeded, it's a biography about all of the ups and downs of the series/console/product.
@karnagefails333
@karnagefails333 6 жыл бұрын
NintendoBoy6710 Just found this guy not long ago. I feel bad for not noticing this stuff sooner lol
@RadiaUmbra
@RadiaUmbra 6 жыл бұрын
Like they say better late than never!
@Wis_Dom
@Wis_Dom 8 жыл бұрын
_"The boxy look was out"_ Releases GameCube.
@autobot151
@autobot151 8 жыл бұрын
Wis Dom XDXDXDXD
@reshiram202
@reshiram202 8 жыл бұрын
and you can't get more boxy, than a box
@ragequit_taco_gaming
@ragequit_taco_gaming 7 жыл бұрын
Wis Dom the lunchbox
@dipron-dppt134
@dipron-dppt134 6 жыл бұрын
Next... The Gintenda Gamesphere
@AndrewAmbrose
@AndrewAmbrose 5 жыл бұрын
Wis Dom the boxy look must’ve came back in
@neillattz
@neillattz 11 жыл бұрын
I could watch this stuff all day.
@madbringer
@madbringer 9 жыл бұрын
New viewer, here. Solid first episode, have to say. Rough around the edges but informative and to the point, justified a well-earned sub.
@Echoingsunflowers981
@Echoingsunflowers981 Жыл бұрын
Wow I finally finished binging the entire channel, totally worth it
@NESADDICT
@NESADDICT 8 жыл бұрын
One of the best shows on the internet!
@winniethexiofficial
@winniethexiofficial 4 жыл бұрын
indeed
@minix07
@minix07 3 жыл бұрын
Yup
@socalminstrel
@socalminstrel 16 сағат бұрын
I love the 30 second "chapter review" of a 6 minute video. Gaming Historian really has come a long way--very fun to see how the channel began.
@Drenoxian
@Drenoxian 3 жыл бұрын
Phenomenal! You’ve come a long way with your videos and efforts. I’m glad to see you’re still passionate about gaming history and continue to produce such informative and entertaining videos
@Chubzdoomer
@Chubzdoomer 2 жыл бұрын
Came down here to say the same thing. It's incredibly inspirational to see just how far he's come in terms of his editing and overall quality!
@Conduit23
@Conduit23 2 жыл бұрын
@@Chubzdoomer For real. Bless your heart Gaming Historian.
@copyer9088
@copyer9088 2 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn’t he be passionate it’s his job and he enjoys doing it
@MeanMrMustard1
@MeanMrMustard1 8 жыл бұрын
I just discovered your channel. Awesome videos. Very professional-like, even this old one where you're like 5 lol. I bought the top loader when it first came out and still have it. I preferred it for years until I learned how to snip the lockout chip in the old NES and replace the 72 pin connector. Once I did that, I went back to the boring old outdated box because of the A/V output.
@Ladderthief1
@Ladderthief1 9 жыл бұрын
no wonder they didn't know what it was. You went to Gamestop.
@karnagefails333
@karnagefails333 6 жыл бұрын
Ladderthief1 Haha!!!
@Leosoto1981
@Leosoto1981 3 жыл бұрын
After 3 years now there is a comment ok here it goes................ lazor smells!
@andresbravo2003
@andresbravo2003 2 жыл бұрын
The First Gaming Historian Video since 2008!
@thrash512
@thrash512 8 ай бұрын
I shall begin my watch through of your entire catalog. Thanks for the years of entertainment
@jmentone
@jmentone 6 жыл бұрын
9 years ago the first episode of GH was release and spawned an epic KZbin series. Keep going Norm, these videos are awesome
@TheVideoMageYT
@TheVideoMageYT Жыл бұрын
I’m about 13 years too late to the comment party, but it’s fun to see some of the older videos! I’m starting from the bottom and working my way up! I’m also now left wanting an NES2!
@cyrollan
@cyrollan Жыл бұрын
Same!
@ClovissenpaiDotR
@ClovissenpaiDotR 5 жыл бұрын
Gaming Historian trivia: I remember seeing this video shortly after it came out, 10 years ago the Gaming Historian's username was mcfrosticles :D
@salisburythefox8324
@salisburythefox8324 3 жыл бұрын
XD
@SukkaPunch321
@SukkaPunch321 7 жыл бұрын
I'm old :/ time flies. This really takes me back.. I think I'm getting nostalgic for nostalgia.
@willnox1
@willnox1 2 жыл бұрын
I miss these days of retro gaming youtube! Thanks Norm
@hranf
@hranf 15 жыл бұрын
I love the guy who says "Bootleg Nintendo". Had I not known what it was, I would have called it that too. Good to see the vids coming back, man. You rock.
@Zorgot.
@Zorgot. Жыл бұрын
fr lmao
@Canthatcrazy
@Canthatcrazy Жыл бұрын
Omg. This is so old. Haha. You've come a long way. You're my favourite channel on KZbin. I just watch your stuff over and over again. You're my escapism.
@sonicmario64
@sonicmario64 10 жыл бұрын
I actually remember this console being out when I was a kid, and I was able to buy one of them for myself a few years ago, which I still have as part of my collection. :D
@BucketeerMusic
@BucketeerMusic 3 жыл бұрын
Cool
@kanesmith8271
@kanesmith8271 8 жыл бұрын
When I was in middle school I traded a stack of game informers and some other books for a top loader.
@MeanMrMustard1
@MeanMrMustard1 8 жыл бұрын
Damn, Game Informer sucked. The kid you tricked was dumb. GamePro, EGM and VG&CE were the best gamer mags back then.
@astoocities
@astoocities 8 жыл бұрын
Great trade, you screwed that kid over :D
@BreMue
@BreMue 3 жыл бұрын
"Time for a sleeker look" Makes the NES 2 dramatically less aesthetically pleasing than the og
@BattleWarPath
@BattleWarPath 15 жыл бұрын
i love your game historian videos, they make me return to my childhood, thank you, thank you very much and plz bring us more gaming historian videos
@bowie395
@bowie395 3 жыл бұрын
12 Years ago, Jesus fuck I remember watching this when it first came out.
@gabriel10101
@gabriel10101 15 жыл бұрын
welcome back to youtube, where ever you went but your videos were greatly missed
@orangedrummer9130
@orangedrummer9130 11 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU! The guy that made and posted this video said it was the FIRST home console to be released from nintendo whithout specifying which continent he was speaking of. He then went out of his way to message me and STILL challenge me on this. I think a proper name for him would be the Gaming MISStorion.
@RPGtourguide
@RPGtourguide 7 жыл бұрын
Decided to marathon through some old Gaming Historian. ;) I'm lucky enough to have a top loader myself. I actually don't have an original NES right now. I'll probably pick one up eventually for the sake of nostalgia. :P
@kit-ekat8139
@kit-ekat8139 4 жыл бұрын
did you get one yet? i need to knoooow
@RPGtourguide
@RPGtourguide 4 жыл бұрын
Kit-E kat I haven’t! :( Not yet at least. The top loader is still going strong though. ;)
@kit-ekat8139
@kit-ekat8139 4 жыл бұрын
Nice. I don't have a top loader, but I still have the nes my dad had as a kid, and somehow I've still never had to replace the pin connector lol
@RPGtourguide
@RPGtourguide 4 жыл бұрын
Kit-E kat That’s really cool that you’re using your dad’s childhood NES. It’s amazing how well those old systems can hold up. :)
@MaxForce357
@MaxForce357 15 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Gaming Historian! Can't wait for the SNES 2 video!
@Hernans-World-On-YouTube
@Hernans-World-On-YouTube Жыл бұрын
The Oldest Video on The Gaming Historian!
@MarcWithaContent
@MarcWithaContent 15 жыл бұрын
thanks you for re-uploading your classicepisodes it makes me fell very smart after watching this informative show thanks norm -a kid
@wellesradio
@wellesradio 6 жыл бұрын
0:29 His eyes light up with those happy childhood memories. I do recognize the NES 2 from advertisements, I think. I think I even reading reviews of it as a child (I liked to read reviews of everything), saying the NES 2 was for kids who couldn’t afford the SNES.
@WizardClipAudio
@WizardClipAudio 12 жыл бұрын
The blinking light is usually the lock-out chip which goes bad in the toaster model and was left out of the top-loader. I disabled my lockout chip on my toaster-model and it works perfectly now. Blinky light not usually related to wore out pins. I also have a pristine connecter replacement,.... however I keep the old connecter inside usually to use with the game-genie because it does bend the pins over time and won't work properly without the game genie with the old connecter pin slot.
@richardreyes3764
@richardreyes3764 3 жыл бұрын
This is a beautiful channel. I am crying. I have loads of catching up to do
@chad12345678
@chad12345678 5 жыл бұрын
Binge watching gaming historian from 1st episode to now he's come a long way needs a gaming historian episode on gaming historian!
@kirisuna19
@kirisuna19 4 жыл бұрын
He's done that!
@simplyalonso
@simplyalonso 5 жыл бұрын
0:00 a legend was born
@johnisdead
@johnisdead 3 ай бұрын
still holds up 14 years later
@Justin-Hill-1987
@Justin-Hill-1987 3 жыл бұрын
The NES 2 was made very shortly after the AV Famicom started production, since both console revisions used the same bottom half, red power switch, gray reset button and game controller design. However, the AV Famicom was still in production long after the 1995 discontinuation of the NES in other parts of the world.
@modernretro5383
@modernretro5383 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, the good old days where everyone used AVGN videos as a template, and recorded everything on a potato. Definitely a fun little time capsule, especially when you compare Gaming Historians current videos.
@goldengrat1055
@goldengrat1055 8 жыл бұрын
I modded my toaster NES so it would both stop blinking AND be region free, the design flaw is actually a chip implemented by Nintendo to region lock games (still dunno why that is a thing). Take that, 10NES chip.
@bartyeslisanovgcpyttp1614
@bartyeslisanovgcpyttp1614 7 жыл бұрын
TeNES
@RocketLawnchair
@RocketLawnchair 15 жыл бұрын
Good to see you back friend!
@Chaossage
@Chaossage 9 жыл бұрын
So much more to watch of you now.
@furballbear
@furballbear 15 жыл бұрын
I love the production value of your videos!
@ArwingFighter
@ArwingFighter 15 жыл бұрын
good to see you back Norm!
@thatchev3127
@thatchev3127 4 жыл бұрын
5:42 I am so jealous of those prices. I only got into collecting older games a few years ago and while I can find some good deals, getting stuff like you and your friend did back in the day for that price is practically impossible now.
@Ben756
@Ben756 3 жыл бұрын
I’m huge fan man. I came to see one of your earliest videos and I just wanted to say that puberty has been amazing to you.
@waywardlaser
@waywardlaser 15 жыл бұрын
YEAH! YOU'RE BACK!!!!!
@wyattforrest9349
@wyattforrest9349 7 жыл бұрын
I know
@JD-nu4pc
@JD-nu4pc 5 жыл бұрын
I know
@Kodaigon72
@Kodaigon72 4 жыл бұрын
I know
@dhaneswaraadhyaksa1285
@dhaneswaraadhyaksa1285 4 жыл бұрын
I know
@deadaccount4411
@deadaccount4411 4 жыл бұрын
I Know
@Losaru
@Losaru 15 жыл бұрын
Yay! Glad to see ya back! I love your show!
@h4jmig32
@h4jmig32 10 жыл бұрын
The Dreammaster music is giving me serious nostalgia
@karnagefails333
@karnagefails333 6 жыл бұрын
Michael Sonnentag Same here. I almost remember how many pieces of my controller my mom made me pick up so they wouldn't get stuck in her vacuum cleaner after renting that game.
@BASSOBEN
@BASSOBEN 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I knew I recognized it but couldn't remember where from
@akisey1
@akisey1 15 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for comming back!
@burbank3
@burbank3 5 жыл бұрын
Two minutes into the video it finally hits me LITTLE NEMO DREAM MASTER
@vaderx0179
@vaderx0179 6 жыл бұрын
5:47 Well im going to every garage sale in the world
@custommakaroon
@custommakaroon 15 жыл бұрын
he is back... awesome.
@rockthrower1847
@rockthrower1847 4 жыл бұрын
first comment
@KoopaKid660
@KoopaKid660 4 жыл бұрын
Lol what happened before this video
@rockthrower1847
@rockthrower1847 4 жыл бұрын
@@KoopaKid660 he deleted his earlier videos
@BucketeerMusic
@BucketeerMusic 3 жыл бұрын
@@rockthrower1847 what?!
@1983parrothead
@1983parrothead 15 жыл бұрын
I knew that, but I was talking about Nintendo's last NES game. Sunday Funday was not only the last NES game, but it was also the last unlicensed NES game. The last licensed third-party game was Takahashi Meijin no Bōken Jima IV, released in 1994.
@byDanish
@byDanish 12 жыл бұрын
I need to get those NES consoles soon. I really need to go start retro gaming, the games look so much FUN.
@Jumpboots_Jamstrang
@Jumpboots_Jamstrang 15 жыл бұрын
THANK GOD YOUR BACK GH! I Love your videos! Looking forward to new stuff!
@TheMightyPika
@TheMightyPika 10 жыл бұрын
What a great idea for a KZbin series. LOVING this!!
@StrikerXL_BE
@StrikerXL_BE 6 жыл бұрын
Super cool to see from where you came with these awesome videos! Even then they where pretty good. 😊
@susanfit47
@susanfit47 Жыл бұрын
Now many of the old peripherals, such as the Zapper Gun, the NES Advantage, NES Max, NES Satellite, the NES Four Score, Brøderbund's the U-Force, Bandai's Family Fun Fitness, Mega Controller, and Super Controller, Taito's Arkanoid Controller, Shinsei's Hyperstick and Hyper Variable Speed Controller, Beeshu's Ultimate Supersitck, Jazz Stick, Jammer, Zinger, Zipper, Zoomer and Gizmo Joystick, Acclaim's Remote Controller, Double Player and Power Player, Hudson Soft USA's Joycard Sanusu SSS, Ljn's the Roll & Rocker, Mattel's the Power Glove, Suncom's Mother Ship Control Enhancer, Konami's LaserScope, Camerica's Freedom Connection, Supersonic the Joystick, Nexoft's The Dominator Master Wireless Controller, and ProBeam Light Gun, BDL Enterprises' Turbo Blaster, Quick Shot's Joystick, Maverick 2 Joystick, the Sighting Scope, Deluxe Sighting Scope, Flight Grip 2 Controller, Python Deluxe, and QS-126 Joypad, The Software Toolworks' The Miracle Piano Teaching System, Konami's LaserScope, Pressman's Speedboard, Innovation's Innovation Joypad, IMN Control's The Game Handler, Capcom's Fighter Power Stick, and The Power Pad, also worked on the NES 2.
@HadoCS_
@HadoCS_ 15 жыл бұрын
the last NES game was actually made in 1995 called Sunday Funday, look it up
@jaymzz2
@jaymzz2 15 жыл бұрын
i miss my NES 2...i remember waking up on Xmas morning and it was already hooked up and had Revenge of the Joker running.
@mattsnyder3358
@mattsnyder3358 7 жыл бұрын
I got a Toploader for my birthday when I was really young. I was so little I used to have to put my knee on the flat part above the controllers for leverage to get the games out.
@FishcalledPhil
@FishcalledPhil 15 жыл бұрын
Thank you for comming back, and I see you got a new website =D
@wabenhart
@wabenhart 14 жыл бұрын
There were a small few released with A/V out instead of co-axle cable. Extremely Rare.
@Kytseo
@Kytseo 15 жыл бұрын
YOU'RE AWESOME, WELCOME BACK (I hope we didn't inconvenience you though)
@Stereozentrum
@Stereozentrum 4 жыл бұрын
Because over the years a lot of people have asked about it in the comments and the historian apparently neither names the music he's using nor answers the repeatedly asked question about its origin: The music of the intro (starting at 00:59) is the Corneria Theme from Super Smash Bros. Melee (took me sometime to get that information myself). Most sources cite Hirokazu Ando as composer and arranger.
@doraeguyakaneddie6586
@doraeguyakaneddie6586 4 жыл бұрын
The fist song is a remix of a song from Little nemo on the NES. I believe its the mushroom forest theme
@Kane615
@Kane615 15 жыл бұрын
Thx for coming back
@88Supersonic88
@88Supersonic88 13 жыл бұрын
I freakin love the NES 2. I know it's usually believed that it has worse picture than the original Toaster model, but I can get past that because of how awesome it runs. Also the lack of a lockout chip is niiiiice.
@Zorgot.
@Zorgot. Жыл бұрын
true
@Buderus69
@Buderus69 4 жыл бұрын
I am autoplay jumping through all episodes, finally made it to the first vid wohoo
@Sarato
@Sarato 15 жыл бұрын
Great to see you back again. =)
@pridakfan253
@pridakfan253 12 жыл бұрын
They do exist there is actually a video here on youtube of someone showing it off. Also I've heard the only way you were ever able to get one was by sending in your old top loader for "repairs" and they would send you the AV model instead.
@susanfit47
@susanfit47 3 жыл бұрын
Now many of the old peripherals, such as the Zapper Gun, the NES Advantage, NES Max, NES Satellite, the NES Four Score, the U-Force, Bandai's Family Fun Fitness, Hyperstick, Mega Controller, Super Controller, Shinsei's Hyper Variable Super Controller, Ultimate Supersitck, Zinger, Zipper, Zommer and Gizmo Joystick, Acclaim's Remote Controller, Hudson Soft's Joycard Sanusu SSS, the Roll & Rocker, the Power Glove, Suncom's Mothership, Konami's LaserScope, Camerica's Freedom Connection, Nexoft's The Dominator Master Wireless Controller, and ProBeam Light Gun, BDL Enterprises' Turbo Blaster, Quick Shot's Joystick, Maverick 2 Joystick, the Sighting Scope, Deluxe Sighting Scope, and Flight Grip 2 Controller, Pressman's Speedboard, Innovation's Innovation Joypad, IMN Control's The Game Handler, and The Power Pad, also worked on the NES 2.
@UberMan5000
@UberMan5000 14 жыл бұрын
WOOT Remix of the Little Nemo "Mushroom Forest" song at the beginning! One of my favourite game tunes!
@jpfrancoisse
@jpfrancoisse 13 жыл бұрын
Keep it up. I always find your videos interesting and well made
@OtakuUnitedStudio
@OtakuUnitedStudio 6 жыл бұрын
"An adding machine." The snark is strong in that one.
@doraeguyakaneddie6586
@doraeguyakaneddie6586 4 жыл бұрын
The fist song is a remix of a song from Little nemo on the NES. I believe its the mushroom forest theme
@SebenFusion
@SebenFusion 12 жыл бұрын
When I was little and all we had was a SNES and N64, my friend had so many video game systems. I never saw the actual NES until about a year ago, but for the longest time I thought the NES 2 was the original NES since that was the version my friend had.
@RedRedDaDon
@RedRedDaDon 10 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing a few commercials for this as a kid. If I'm not mistaken, right after the SNES, in order to revive newer NES games like Super Mario 3 and Contra Force. I've only see 1 NES2 in person.
@VideoGameAutopsy
@VideoGameAutopsy 12 жыл бұрын
I heard a rumor that Nintendo actually did make a few copies of the Top Loader that did have the AV Multi-Out like on the N64, the SNES, and the GameCube, but they were released around the time the Top Loader died. So if these consoles do exist, then they rank right up there with Nintendo World Championships and Stadium Events as one of the most Nintendo products in history.
@charlie12T
@charlie12T 5 жыл бұрын
I had this console. I was happy with it.
@amnesiac-original
@amnesiac-original 4 жыл бұрын
The legend began here
@zedorda1337
@zedorda1337 3 жыл бұрын
About 2 years ago I tried to find one of these for a reasonable price. After a year of not finding anything I thought was worth the money. I bought the RetroBit Super Retro Trio 3(no plus) and have found it a good deal better for the right price. No lag induced by cheap HDMI scaling or emulation. Just true hardware cloning with a few everdrives I now have nearly every game released for NES/SNES/Genesis all in one console. Connected to a 32 inch CRT from Sharp with double shielded S-Video and stereo cables. I am still hunting down afew titles that just are not compatible with everdrives but isn't that half the fun in the long run.
@yamem701
@yamem701 15 жыл бұрын
he deleted all them for some reason hes bringing them all back now
@JonesVideosTV
@JonesVideosTV 4 жыл бұрын
and making new videos
@weeble2481
@weeble2481 15 жыл бұрын
Well happy your back Norman! Bring the Thunder!!!
@nintendofan022
@nintendofan022 4 жыл бұрын
And so a legend was born...
@Rubberman202
@Rubberman202 5 жыл бұрын
Holy crap, this year will be your 10th anniversary, congratulations!
@pridakfan253
@pridakfan253 11 жыл бұрын
They may look drastically different but internally they have the exact same technical specs. The reason for the 72 pins on the NES was becasue 4 were for the 10NES lockout chip (which the famicom didn't have) and the rest of the additonal pins were for the expansion port on the bottom. Besides with an adapter you can play NES games on the famicom and said adapter is nothing more than a pass through because like I said the famicom has the same specs as the NES.
@MaximumRD
@MaximumRD 15 жыл бұрын
I like the NES2 form the top loading to the smaller design so I find it strange they omitted AV out which was a step backwards by this point?
@NESAtariSegaNerd
@NESAtariSegaNerd 13 жыл бұрын
@thepunksclub21 An RF cable IS an rca cable. It carries both Audio and Video.
@luiscortazar6291
@luiscortazar6291 4 жыл бұрын
I had my NES Top loader AV Modded, with the jail bars removed. RF was OK, but I'm glad its got AV out now.
@Nicksolo85
@Nicksolo85 15 жыл бұрын
I have an SNES 2. I used to have an SNES 1 [don't anymore because it broke]. I find nothing wrong with it. It works and plays just like the original model. All similarities and differences between Super Nintendo and Super Nintendo 2 are covered in this video.
@rodrigolefever2426
@rodrigolefever2426 Жыл бұрын
The video is bout the nes not the snes
@ShaolinDave
@ShaolinDave 13 жыл бұрын
the first 4 NES2s I encountered had the same A/V connector as the SNES. I wish i could find one now.
@ZMAN_420
@ZMAN_420 2 жыл бұрын
It's 7/7/2022 You look like early James Rolfe. Good video as usual!
@brickbrainiac
@brickbrainiac 10 жыл бұрын
the beginning of the historian. the gaming historian
@brovid-19
@brovid-19 3 жыл бұрын
omg he's such a little kid right now.
@antoniotoronto4132
@antoniotoronto4132 3 жыл бұрын
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa the memories of trying to learn all I can about Nintendo and Sega are flooding baaaaack
@appleguyforeternity
@appleguyforeternity 14 жыл бұрын
Im gonna get an NES 2 at yonkers flea market next sunday. I just love the NES.
@Ofisil
@Ofisil 9 жыл бұрын
6:20 starbacks promo? :D
@patrickanzaldua8813
@patrickanzaldua8813 3 жыл бұрын
Come to think of it we use to have one NES 2 Top Loader when we were livin' in Yoakum years ago in the 90's and then after I don't know what happen to it.
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