This New Military Round Is Insane...

[@UnfortunateSon_]

You can’t run from the flannel forever, Mike. We remember

[@bradwynn]

😂

[@danielormsbee7668]

Bring the flannel back!

[@BigShaneGillis]

In an alternate universe, Mike never served and has a KZbin called the flannel channel. I prefer this one but it’s a fun concept

[@UnfortunateSon_]

He needs to do a collab flannel with Dixxon. I’ve got a shocking amount of their flannels.

[@will9501]

Honestly, the bandana should always be flannel.

[@Kaotix_music]

can we just have a moment to recognize I would never want Micha to shoot at me.

[@GarandThumb]

facts

[@battletank21]

Also, the cameraman never dies. So He essentially has aims and Godmode. Silly combo irl.

[@Constable_Bob]

Especially with a weird, obscure firearm.

[@acecarpenter502]

Fr

[@OriginalMice45]

we need Micah lore

[@Grand_History]

🚨IMPORTANT🚨 Do NOT google trans sonic. Worst mistake of my life

[@RAWPnS]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@ARK1547-lp3bn]

😢… can confirm.

[@traviseighinger5111]

😂😂😂

[@AllmotorMaze]

😂😂😂 as everyone who read that is going to google it! 😂😂😂

[@RaptorTroll360]

Rot Pockets delivered at maximum speed!!!

[@lazyman7505]

Any plans to continue with the "Becoming deadly" series? Those were what really made the channel unique.

[@GarandThumb]

filming in a week or so

[@varunpreetsingh5440]

Yeah make more of those.​@@GarandThumb

[@lazyman7505]

@@GarandThumb Excellent news! Thank you.

[@XenoHCS]

@@GarandThumbsuper excited for the next one man. 🙏

[@seaghan]

@@GarandThumb Looks like we may be needing it soon with everything going on...

[@-Zevin-]

What is really crazy is the US navy used the Lee Navy rifle in 6mm all the way back in 1895, and they even made arguments that this was the future of bullet technology that small high velocity rounds out perform larger slower bullets in tissue disruption etc. This is in a era when some guns still shot giant 11mm bullets and German Mausers would adopt 7.92x57. The US was too ahead of the curve at the time, problems manufacturing the ammo and the expensive complex Lee Navy rifles droomed widespread adoption, but it's wild to think engineers were that forward thinking all the way back then. They would feel very vindicated today with the way cartridge technology has progressed.

[@tannerrose5203]

It's all about the tissue disruption broham!

[@tannerrose5203]

It's all about the tissue disruption broham!

[@EnOrangeSoffa]

6.5x55 Swedish (1894), 6.5 Jap (1897), 6.5 Carcano (1890), 6.5 Mannlicher (1892) etc... To nail something so close to the invention of smokeless powder only to semi-abandon it seems odd like you said, but if I had to guess it was because of the ever present logistical desire of militaries for ammo parity between arms, and the notion arose that a smaller bullet like 6mm would be insufficient in its role as an emplaced or light machine gun caliber, so they scaled everything up, with small arms following. Just a guess...

[@RecycledSoul]

Things come full circle eventually in ballistics. There's lots of great advancement in ballistic technology, but physics are always the constant in that equation.

[@alek002]

Hmm...

[@texlee84]

I've been on the 6ARC bandwagon for a minute now and I am blown away with the performance. I keep telling my buddies to pick one up but they have to see to believe. I see no use for a large frame for my needs going forward, huge 6ARC fan!

[@youreright7534]

They filled a niche that was already filled by 6.5 Grendel. That's why nobody is buying these, and all these companies are begging people to review it to try and make it mainstream

[@Courtesyflush52]

@@youreright7534SOCOM just bought 500,000 rounds of it, not to mention both their Army and Navy branches are using it. That’s further than Grendel ever got lol

[@davidbundesen5867]

Agreed. Love me 6ARC. I wish I didn’t own my AR10. It’s a freaking TANK.

[@MagicMahn]

It’s a great round but man trying to get past 2500 fps out of a 18 in barrel is kinda meh man. I’ve had great accuracy with mine but that velocity hurts. Better performer than 5.56 in the energy department that’s for sure. Thumb’s point though about low recoil and follow up shots is valid though. More velocity would mean more recoil.

[@Courtesyflush52]

@@MagicMahn well that’s kinda the thing. It’s not a close range round if you need max velocity up close. But keep in mind a 105gr 6mm bullet loses velocity at half the rate that 77gr 5.56 does. By 250 yards or so, 6mm ARC is actually traveling FASTER than the Mk262 out of the same barrel length

[@greatray]

my man starting to evolve from flannel daddy to woods form COD

[@PurgerofHeresy]

😂 Bro looks like Snake

[@Radvous]

He really does look like Woods from Blops 1

[@WyFoster]

This is Solid Snake

[@nanashivii9237]

*Mashes B*

[@chanceleach6111]

6.5 Grendel: Am I a joke to you?

[@SonnyBonobo]

Points for saying "to the utmost" and "cool guys". Bless Y 'all

[@loganhill6601]

The moment I read the 1st quote he said it while reading in my head lol I thought I was imagining his voice

[@jamesfrankiewicz5768]

For those of you that might be building your own 6mm ARC upper: some of the barrels out there actually have the gas block out at a farther position than rifle length. If your 18" (or longer) barrel comes with a gas block and gas tube, this might be the case. In my case, the gas block stuck out about an inch passed the 15" handguard that I intended to use, and it took me a lot of searching to find a handguard that was long enough to cover the gas block, but not so long that it got in the way of the muzzle device. I eventually found a 16.5" from Hera Industries that does the job.

[@DB-yj3qc]

Good info.

[@jimmyvollman7596]

I wonder if an Adjustable Gas Block would tame the recoil a bit.

[@amorton94]

Or you can just leave the gas block exposed.

[@MyFlexinIsAProblem]

Having the gas block forward of the handguard is sexy. IE MK12

[@scotthrivnak1986]

I like Hera's quad rail.

[@CELTICS7777]

Careful with the cut-off shirts, morphing into wranglerstar can happen to us all.

[@thejohnhend]

They just keep getting shorter every video. By next month he’ll be wearing pasties.

[@rustyking2728]

The real reason he moved from Washington was to get further away from Cody. But he can't run forever. Proho never sleeps.

[@CELTICS7777]

@@rustyking2728 Act Accordingly

[@mostpopularpresidentever]

😂😂

[@LayneRose-gr1hq]

😢😂😅

[@laskalives]

You: small frame AR The guy she tells you not to worry about: large frame AR

[@dominic6634]

Doesnt matter the size. Think your going to shrug off any rifle round?

[@OrdinaryAmerican]

@@dominic6634look up the word ‘humor’ and reread this comment.

[@TCraig00]

​@@thebadlander3608 dude he literally explains it in the first few minutes of the video

[@jcdenton4847]

It's ok honey I like yours, the large frame ones hurt

[@TCraig00]

@@thebadlander3608 small frame in this case refers to AR-15 styled rifles and large frame is AR-10. So he's talking about having large frame range and lethality in a small frame AR.

[@ryandearing60]

Welcome to the club! The 6 ARC came out in 2020 and it's become my favorite round to shoot. Hitting targets at long range with no recoil puts a smile on my face every time.

[@ryandearing60]

@@ChappySinclair I haven't had any. Maybe I got lucky with my build, but it's been perfect since day 1.

[@ryandearing60]

@southern842 Aero upper, lower and handguard, BSF barrel with Rilfe gas, Seekins adjustable gas block, Santan bolt carrier group, Magpul UPR stock with Vltor A5 buffer system.

[@ryandearing60]

@@ChappySinclair Duramag and ASC.

[@MagicMahn]

Magazines are important with 6 arc

[@CaptainMirro]

Mike always looking like a main character out of the classic cods.

[@dabeln1]

Classic COD is WW2.

[@sloshymold6648]

​@dabeln1 that's ancient cod

[@CorruptDemocratsJ6]

Before the weaponized identity politics of bIackrock, prtizger, bill gates, esg/dei/crt, etc in all of our cultures and medias.

[@Austin-wy4xe]

Before COD turned woke

[@timbirch4999]

​@@Austin-wy4xe "Here is my next song. It's called 'Everything I Don't Like Is Woke'. I hope you enjoy it..."

[@kevindvorak742]

Garand Thumb just said that this particular ammunition is insane aaand it's GONE. 😂

[@RangeTimeRicky24]

yup

[@RAWDEAL064]

Done been gone. Hornady can't make enough, fast enough for the civilian sector

[@UponGiantsShoulders]

Mid-way and Academy still got.

[@loganbaker1243]

3,600 bucks and out of stock everywhere lol

[@ItsDburch]

We still have Grendel

[@OlTrailDog]

I'm sure some has corrected the comment at 23:20 regarding the upper. The AR upper works fine, and a 6ARC barrel fits fine as well as the BCG. You do need to change the bolt to the 6.5 Grendel size bolt. This is also the weak spot for the 6ARC as bolts do break on occasion. Built my 6ARC gasser a couple of years ago and enjoy it so much that this week I took possession of a Howa Mini-1500 6ARC bolt gun.

[@oodsigma4482]

@OlTrailDog the GFR upper isn't the same as a milspec AR upper. A GFR barrel will not fit in a milspec AR upper.

[@stephenembrey883]

Actually Windrift is largely a factor of bullet speed. The six arc is considerably slower so it's going to drift more. Also wonder how much of my tax dollars went into developing something that's not even as good as a friggin 243 Winchester. Let's just take a fine little 243 and slow it down about 300 ft./s And sell it to the military is something new and amazing.

[@billmartin5709]

@@stephenembrey883 Except it would have to run in an AR10. Yes you would save weight on ammo but still haul around a heavier rifle.

[@billmartin5709]

I have had Ballistic Advantage, Rainier Arms and Satern/Liberty 6MM ARC Barrels in regular AR Uppers. No problems

[@amonillas9133]

“You can’t run from the flannel forever, Mike. We remember”

[@cool_breeze_actual9643]

I'm impressed with 6mm arc. Pretty snazzy.

[@IvanIvanoff-d4p]

Youre snazzy :3

[@calholli]

6.5creed Master Race

[@jcows12]

@@cool_breeze_actual9643 6.5 grendel is right there with them in ar15

[@colebass8945]

@@jcows12 Man I was hoping Mike compared 6.5G and 6ARC in the video. Debating on whether or not to keep mine. On the positive, range ammo is slowly creeping down in price.

[@mikeflanders2173]

Arc is better. I have both.

[@JoshuaCawley]

“The shooter watching this video in hell” “👁️👄👁️”

[@GarandThumb]

accurate representation of his face

[@ramcharger154]

​@@GarandThumb🤯🤯 💩 🎉❤

[@joey_cola]

​@@GarandThumb☠

[@worldsmostwantedkiller]

I'm glad he chose 556

[@J-lz3dg]

@@GarandThumb pretty sure his front teeth got punched out.

[@chrissavage8107]

Micah just prints like a STUD!!

[@GarandThumb]

big facts

[@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw]

Are we talking about bananas?

[@jonnybgoode7742]

​@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw buhnaynays?

[@warrenb8228]

@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jwif you’re lookin, you’re lookin.

[@Yetified_Mayhem]

I print in sweat pants

[@jackgreenstalk777]

Love that he just talked over the ads, didnt say them. You can tell GT was excited to shoot and show off the rifle/ammo. Straight to biz no filler

[@1014p]

You sure, he said Geissele enough to have a drinking game. Also Daniel Defense build essentially noting it takes a special upper, which is false.

[@jasonwright6180]

You can do a 6arc build with a standard AR upper receiver, its just the bolt face that is different. Uses a 6.5 grendel bolt. Maybe Geissele makes a specific upper receiver for 6arc, but if you're putting one together yourself it doesn't require anything special besides the bolt and barrel.

[@chadfurtney3019]

I caught that too. Everything is the same minus barrel and bolt.

[@tysonfromm5397]

bolt barrel and mag i thought?

[@chadfurtney3019]

@@tysonfromm5397 oops, yeah mag is different too. I was just thinking of the rifle parts, forgot about feeding it. 😁😂

[@quiksilv81]

Came here to say this. Upper reciever is the same just a different bolt and mag

[@slayer6936]

I prefer the 224 Valkyrie myself.

[@oppressormkii]

6mm ARC with the higher pressure out of a bolt gun is screaming fast. 6mm ARC has two different pressure ratings, one for gas guns and one for bolt guns.

[@noelsteele]

I have a 22" bolt gun upper for the AR-15 platform, made by Uintah Precision. It's just on a whole other level.

[@investigativeoutcomes9343]

barrel burner

[@chad_8313]

I don't think the US military is too concerned about barrel life, they're going in with that new Sig 277 round.

[@GuacIsExtra99]

@@noelsteeleI just googled this after I said wtf is this guy talking about…added to cart

[@robertblack1116]

so which pressure is hornady box ammo loaded at?

[@jlalbee]

I love this damn round. True long-range performance from an AR-15 platform. Hornady engineering is definitely a national treasure.

[@ResurrectDecoys]

Love to see these great products coming out of a Nebraskan company

[@DonovanFlamingusIII]

Glad I got into 6 ARC before this vid dropped. Nobody in my local area buys this stuff but me.

[@vadimsegida2320]

😂

[@Jarred8281]

That's about to change 😂

[@DonovanFlamingusIII]

@@Jarred8281 nah, guy I got always keeps stuff back for me.

[@KillerMZE]

I suggest connecting the two sides of the bipod with elastic cord. That's what we did in the army, and it makes it so you just need to open one side and the other opens automatically

[@joseph291]

20:30 What a vibe that landscape has. Fantastic.

[@elnach3240]

Check out the new 100Gr ELD-VT from Hornady in 6.5mm. When loaded in the Grendel, it gives very similar trajectory to 1000 yards compared to the 108 gr ELDM in 6mm ARC.

[@brianbennett1136]

Shits getting spicy out there. Do we have any more survival videos coming out soon?

[@nextcaesargaming5469]

I second this notion His survival videos were some of the best on the channel

[@flawless_Cowboy]

No more "spicy" than it usually is.

[@ShotByWoodz]

@@nextcaesargaming5469 facts dude. I wanna see more city urban survival videos

[@tristanmoore9834]

😂 Just got to Fuck Around and Find Out

[@TerryHausenn]

you're getting swept up in propaganda

[@eric97909]

Man, that black plastic table has been through the ringer 6:34 Love that, appreciate your homies and show them love 26:30 hehe Good Dad advice, great video Mr.Thumb and Micah

[@injuredoutdoorsman9011]

I’m still rocking a 6.5 Grendel 💪

[@danietkissenle]

aint nothing wrong with grendel

[@tompanek7511]

Also a great deer round

[@SSgt-]

Same here.

[@davidthurman2267]

Grendel boi’s unite

[@vittoriovuocolo2438]

Yep,I just built a second two weeks ago.

[@yoface2537]

Fat files and garand thumb? Whos next brandon herrera?

[@petermartin7371]

6.5 Grendal King of the Hill 💯❤💙

[@JackTulsen77]

I'll tell you hwhat. I sell grendel and grendel accessories.

[@scottnelson3214]

One of my favourite things is when Micha trolls mike and leaves in some awkward/ unnecessary footage. Because you know mike is just as surprised as we are by it

[@jessicasimp4459]

Henry Chan of 9 Hole Reviews is gonna 1000% LOVE THIS!!!

[@elwhastrummer]

I assembled my 6mm ARC in 2022, hand made lower, Calvin Elite trigger, Grendel Hunter 22" Saturn Liberty barrel, matched bolt, Strike Industries J-Comp. It shoots < .5 moa, and easily and energetically rings steel at 1000 yards. It's a way better shooter than my AR10 in .308. The AR10 is heavy, fairly hard recoiling rifle, about 1 moa on a good day, and couldn't barely hit steel at 700 yards. I've had a few nice rifles, but amazed with my 6mm ARC, only cost about $1400.00. It's more expensive to shoot vs my 5.56 AR, but super fun!

[@busterhp]

Like the way that the sponsors were presented.

[@effingosprey9434]

26:15 I'm with Micah on this, you're not allowed to dislike the charging handle. Don't mess with greatness.

[@GeisseleAutomatics]

I'm not upset, just dissapointed..... 😥

[@skwissgaar_skwigelf_kdz3251]

@@GeisseleAutomatics i drive a super-duty, i shoot a super-duty, im in my bathroom writing this comment taking a....... . . . . .Taylor Swift, a big stinky Taylor Swift.

[@fZionists78]

The world said “one finger works.” US said, “our girls better use two.” …and now 70% are overweight and who knows what else.

[@hedonistic1979]

At 18:50 you mentioned Walther Sobchek Security, as in “The Big Lebowski?” 😂

[@Soup-813]

I’ve doing a bunch of research on the caliber and now this drops. Sensational!!

[@Jtmorrison2000]

6 arc is pretty cool I think. The factory offerings for ammo are limited but the potential is really unlocked when hand loaded. In a bolt gun you’re getting into 6BR ballistics and nearing the 6 creed. Pretty badass little round

[@HunterMikeWI]

I built a 26” bolt gun and by reloading I can push a 108ELDM to 2900fps. SuperSonic over 1400yds and it shoots 0.8MOA ten shot groups. Even factory 108’s shoot 2749fps with an SD of 5.7fps

[@Jtmorrison2000]

@@HunterMikeWI yeah, it’s pretty badass. I’m running a br but after playing around with the arc, my next barrel is going to be an arc. Same performance but I can buy factory ammo in a pinch and don’t have to worry about feeding issues that the br has

[@K-bob_45]

@@Jtmorrison2000 you sure about those feed issues?

[@Jtmorrison2000]

@@K-bob_45 as far as what? The br or arc? 6BR and its variants are not known for great feeding. Takes a little bit of tuning with the magazine and stuff for it to work well.

[@Jtmorrison2000]

@@K-bob_45 my experience with the 6arc in bolt guns is limited, but from my experience and what I’ve heard from others it feeds vary well. In an AR platform the rounds feed excellently with a 6.5 Grendel magazine

[@buckaroobonsi555]

In 1988 in H.S. I designed a 6.5mm cartridge that used a cut down 7.62 NATO case. I designed it to fit intot he M16 and it never took off. I also designed a cartridge for police use in 1986 that took a 44 Rem Mag case and knecked it down to 5.56 to use 55gr. FMJ bullet. The idea was to put them in like 9.5 inch barreled revolvers to give Police Rifle like performance that took up very little space for use against people wearing body armour in early 1980's. I took mechanical drafting and architecture starting in middle school and took Industrial arts starting in middle school so by 6th grade I could stick weld and operate a metal break, lathe, end ill and metal shaper.

[@tarron3237]

'If you're like me, you like running around in full gear without any apparent reason'

[@quantumss]

Yup, pretty silly isn't it. Looks like a wannabe PO.

[@GreasyGringosGarage]

literally been researching this round the last month, perfect timing. great vid.

[@JamesHearon-r2y]

The only thing that amazes me is that it took the DOD this long to finally look at a .243 platform. I know it’s always a trade off between capacity and punch, but .243 has always been a proven deer hunting performer.

[@danielrobey1759]

It honestly doesn't surprise me one bit, going back to the days of teddy Roosevelt and the rough riders facing bolt action mausers with trapdoor Springfield rifles our ordinance dept has always been behind on weaponry... They replaced the trapdoor single shots with the already obsolete 30/40 krag, panicked and copied the mauser 98 for the most part, they ended up paying a royalty on every 03 made to mauser due to patent infringement. They also screwed up the heat treat in the process which resulted in brittle actions that liked to shatter. It's been a clusterfokk since day one!

[@davidgosnell5901]

Absolutely

[@daniellockhart8594]

Came here to say this. 100%

[@chrissalazar4143]

I had a 6mm ARC 20" that really dived deep on with bolt manufacturing materials and reloading. Hornady claims about 2750ft/s out of an 18" barrel. I have found that their statements are false, as shown on Mike's video there too. The flaw with this cartridge is that there are 2 SAAMI Specifications for 6mm ARC. One for semi-autos (ARs at 52k PSI), and one for bolt actions (62k PSI). The reasoning behind this is that the enlarged rim diameter compared to a 5.56, a 6mm ARC (which uses 6.5 grendel as parent case, and therein a 6.5grendel type 2 bolt) cannot exceed 52k PSI and will have too much bolt thrust force imparted onto the AR bolt locking lugs. This is the same for 6.5 grendel bolts. This is something that's been documented and known. If a manufacturer were to find whatever secret sauce metallurgy Ruger does in their SFAR (a small frame AR15 patterned rifle that shoots .308) and pair it with a 6mm ARC, I think they'd really be improving the cartridge-firearm system for reliability, and to handle the hotter loadings rearward forces. I would really encourage flannel daddy to really give the firearm a hard run to see how many rounds it would take to start seeing bolt lug sheering. Back to the difference of PSI, Semi-Auto according to SAAMI is rated for 52k PSI, and Bolt Actions are 62k PSI. This is on hornady's reloading database. Please note that when you purchase a box from Hornady, neither say whether it's specific for Bolt Actions or Semi-Autos. So, being the devious little creature I am, I buy a box of factory Hornady 108gr ELD-M and a box of Hornady 105gr BTHP "black" - same ammo flannel daddy shot. I set aside 5 bullets from each box of 20 to disassemble and measure everything about the cartridge, including the round, powder charge, the weights, length of brass, so on. I then calibrated a model on Gordon's Reloading Tool, and shot rounds to have it match up accordingly. What I found is that both of these rounds are at about 55-58k PSI depending on ambient temperature. that's 3-6k over SAAMI specifications for semi-autos, which is what this round is more commonly used for. As for the pressure issues aside, finding an adequate powder to get those single digit SDs those long range shooters desire is fairly difficult for higher grain bullets 95gr to 115gr and still getting decent velocity and complete powder burn. Many many times I've seen even out of my 20" 6mm Arc, getting incomplete powder burn with the typical high velocity loadings. That gives it velocity variations, and leads to vertical stringing - taking the shooter out of the equation. This cartridge really does shine though when using lower grain projectiles from 90gr and below, getting really nice results, even exceeding 3,000ft/s in some instances. Coyote and hog hunters in particular like this round for its effectiveness. TL;DR: PSI too hot for semi. Bolt go boom. small weight bullet good. Cheers from an autist.

[@NicholasA231]

I bow to your 'tism. Thank you.

[@steveelder5306]

Leverevoloution

[@chrissalazar4143]

@@steveelder5306 still not complete burn at temps below 75°F. Does get nice velocities though. Incredibly temp instable powder. I live in AK, and so that powder can be over pressured at 115°F and getting complete burn, but at any temps below 75°F, it falls flat on its face.

[@adjacentchannel]

I had actually contacted CMMG in regards to this when I found out they were releasing a rifle in 6mm ARC. I asked if they planned to use the Mutant PowerBolt to utilize the larger 308 style bolt head to handle the stronger PSI of this cartridge to get the most out of what Hornady stated in it's advertisements. Unfortunately they decided to go the same route as everyone else when building around this cartridge. To me they really missed out on an opportunity given they have the equipment to build a perfect semi auto rifle for the 6mm ARC.

[@retirednobaddays456]

I checked the SAAMI spec for a reference to the 62K PSI spec you talked about and was unable to find it. Could you provide a reference SAAMI year and page number?

[@Cam-se9sw]

This video made me super happy. I thought of this round back in 2021 and was pretty excited to see hornady come out with it. Now, with gt covering it, it might actually get popular enough to stick around.

[@ShaneBabb]

I built my dream 6 ARC rifle. It is a Radian Mod 1 17- inch rail with a 18-inch Boss CF Barrel (Proof Research all sold out), B5 Systems Collapsible Precision Stock and Grip, Accu Tac PC-4 Bipod with ARCA QD Mount, Odin Works Trax ARCA Rail and a longer Armaspec ARCA Rail for the tripod. Geissele SSP Flat Bow trigger, PA PLx-C FFP Griffin Reticle, SLR Rifleworks Titanium Clamp-on Gas Block, Huxwrx Flow 6K Suppressor and QD-6 Muzzle, Slate Black Rail Panels. Holosun 509T RDS and Magpul Pro BUIS. Buy once, Cry Once. I didn't add it all up, but I'm guessing $6K retail at least. I got a lot of discounts so that counts for something. Or at least I keep telling myself that. She is heavy, but I can put her on a diet if I decide to lighten the load and save a couple of lbs. The stock, ARCA Rail and Accu-Tac alone could save me a few lbs I think. I now own 2 Gucci rifles I guess, so I'm done shopping for a while. I couldn't understand when I first got into this game why everyone had so many AR's. Now I know. 😅

[@Montblanc1986]

Looking stacked bro!

[@GarandThumb]

thanks my man

[@ConsensusX]

@@GarandThumb How much are you on?

[@Go2scout]

@@ConsensusX 🤣

[@MrPingn]

Looking more and more Chris Redfield.

[@MattyEngland]

​@@ConsensusX All of it

[@RobertHall-ef8yf]

Damn I was hoping that Garand Thumb wouldn't legitimize this cartridge so I wouldn't have to build one but here we are...

[@whiskerbiscuit99]

Legitimize? Varmint dudes jumped on this immediately, at least nearly everyone i know and most of their aquaintances. Its a DOD gun also. Imo its gonna be hard to beat it in small frame if you remove the ammo avail factor. My personal builds in it are spot on awesome. Tuned to shoot butter soft and tac drivers. As is with most of the varmint crowd that grabbed it too. The new 6 max cartridge is pretty great too for lighter projectiles. 22 arc has also lit off in the varmint crowd, same as 6 arc, everyone ik, and their friends has or is in the process of it also. Is it the be all, end all for a fighting rifle? I dont think so, but it has its place for sure.

[@RobertHall-ef8yf]

@@whiskerbiscuit99 To be fair varmint dudes jump on any weird new small caliber cartridge on the market lol. I don't necessarily judge a cartridges commercial success based off what those guys do. I feel like they get bored too easily lol.

[@RobertHall-ef8yf]

@@whiskerbiscuit99 Garand Thumb is a huge personality in the firearms community. You should check out his other content.

[@williamuskoski1385]

@@whiskerbiscuit9922 arc is huge because alot of places only shoot 22 cal suppressed after dark

[@guloguloguy]

WOW!!!! THANK YOU, FOR DEMONSTRATING, AND COMPARING THESE TWO CALIBER ROUNDS, AND THEIR ATTRIBUTES...

[@Andyrewk]

I shot a 6mm arc precision rifle that a guy had built himself at my local range. Whoooo boy was it a fun gun. Really loved getting to use it the few shots he allowed me to get off. Interesting to learn more about it here!

[@mr.jackstone9256]

Seems like we are slowly crawling our way towards the MX 6.5 from arma 3

[@Anonymous8421]

Getting there haha, that was a caseless caliber though

[@taylorbennion3706]

​@@Anonymous8421imagine how much ammo could be carried if caseless ammunition was actually perfected.

[@Lithenius]

It's funny isn't it? How those devs basically predicted that we would move on from 5.56, but also make a new caliber.

[@nicolepham3836]

​@@Lithenius their idea for said caliber was literally just caseless 6.5 grendel

[@magnusthered4973]

Glad I'm not the only one thinking that

[@AlfredFJones1776]

GT is lookin extra CHAD in this video.

[@drlca6601]

lmaops

[@chrisferrell1037]

Transferring the background is chad? Doesnt make sense with the def's I saw.

[@OdysseyK]

Lol ​@@paavola2

[@charltonrider2072]

Its the raw milk

[@carmichaelree]

@@paavola2 TRT Chad

[@jammerlr7780]

Absolutely love my 6 ARC. Glad that I was able to get the 20” Compass Lake Engineering barrel before they shut down operations. Damn thing is an absolute hammer!

[@thomaswhertzler1907]

That combat shirt cut off goes HARD!

[@Michael-my6jo]

The dude is ripped! Probably the only way it would fit!

[@forestryfuelsandfire213]

Flannel dady getting swoll

[@Chill_Insiders_Mom]

Higher the sleeves, the closer to god

[@ChristianGustafson]

@@thomaswhertzler1907 I like women.

[@gleisbauer25]

Looks like it was chopped with an axe.

[@Gearparadummies]

Garand Thumb: "Get some sun, you'll be happier" Me looking at 110F° for the whole next week: "I'd rather stay grumpy, thanks"

[@EnrageV10]

Great video man, love the in depth review and your thoughts aswell.

[@cousland58]

I love my 6 arc I put together. 24in barrel with a mk5 hd on top. It rips all the way out to 1400 yards. And it's a cheat code to 1100.

[@RAWDEAL064]

Building a 20". 80% lower that doesn't match upper exactly, so it's a single shot gas gun rn.

[@methylmania]

What barrel did you use?

[@RAWDEAL064]

@@methylmania I went with Proof's wrapped barrel, as I didn't want any barrel whip. It was about the same price as a normal barrel at the time. I think it's gone up quite a bit since then

[@cousland58]

@@methylmania faxon match series

[@methylmania]

@@cousland58 10-4 I'm thinking on building a long stick this fall. My ballistic advantage 18" shoots like a dream. .5 moa all day with factory horn. match eldms. They don't have a 24 available right now.

[@vlet5995]

High GarandThumb doesn’t exist, he can’t hurt you High GarandThumb:

[@MustyChalupa]

Holy shit I can’t unsee it

[@skwissgaar_skwigelf_kdz3251]

the first rule of fight club.......

[@ArturroWasky]

I still think 6.5 Grendel is vastly underrated

[@mrwellgun]

*insert comment about Trump here*

[@Trapper-tr3sd]

Thank God for shitty AR’s

[@dariusfleming9342]

Comment about trump

[@digivagrant]

​@@Trapper-tr3sdso it was a PSA AR huh?

[@IvIidnight]

Absolutely 🤯 that KZbin let this comment post.

[@RobotCheetah1]

😂

[@latenightvibes9213]

Garand Thumb wheres Charlie and Micah announcing the sponsors! loved the video though

[@robhene4633]

Would be interesting to see a comparison between something like 6 ARC, 6.5G, and 6.8 SPC. Maybe include a segment on 16 vs ~11.5 in a similar format as this video.

[@genghiskun2287]

Now I have to run out and make a 6ARC build to replace my 224 Valkyrie build, which replaced my 6.5 Grendel build, which replaced my 6.8 SPC build

[@Nurse_Xochitl]

ROFL

[@aaronfarnsworth7653]

You have an evolving end of days swiss army knife of rifles. Just change the upper 'blade' to suit the caliber found.

[@RickSanchez167]

Grendel is back my guy. Serbia adopted it as their main battle rifle round. Alot of manufacturers popping up

[@ryanhall9877]

​@@RickSanchez167I never lost hope, PRAISE BE TO STONER!

[@angry_zergling]

@@RickSanchez167 I have a soft spot for Grendel. Not sure why it didn't get more attention.

[@ColeDedhand]

Look at the new Hotness! It's 0.02% different than yesterdays hotness!

[@NINELIVECORP]

10:30 lord have mercy daddy got a keister on em

[@NINELIVECORP]

THAT POSTERIOR

[@DereckLunar]

Solid Snake? Is that you? xD

[@Anonymous8421]

Haha I thought the same

[@terrified057t4]

Nah Frank Woods the Second, note the Marine camo XD

[@211ratsbud]

Came here for making my own solid snake comment. I see it too

[@HKBuilderDIY]

Waiting to see if he sneaks up in a card board box during intro

[@TheDollarSportsman]

That’s what I was thinking!

[@benjamingould5950]

In regards to wearing out the guns faster Geissele did a lot of work to make a stronger bolt and extractor, multi port gas system for softer bolt cycling and a reinforced upper with new enhanced barrel extension to make it as strong and long lasting as a comparable m4 platform

[@seanmtactical6069]

Lots to unpackaged here. The changes from 556 NATO to 6 ARC is the bolt, the barrel, and the mag. The upper is the same. That bun may have a different upper, but it's not necessary. Because the case size changes from 556 to 6 ARC, the bold head face loses metal material typically there to make it strong enough for the 62k psi of 556. 556 case head diameter is 0.377". 6.8 SPC case head is 0.420". 6 ARC is made off of the latest 6.5 Grendel design (called Grendel Type II) and is 0.440" diameter. The difference between the original Grande and Grendel Type II is the depth of the bolt face. It was 0.125" originally, Type II is 0.136". This was done to help re-enforce the bolt's lugs from sheering off or mushrooming out. It's still an issue and I've seen both 6 ARC and 6.5 Grendel II destroy their bolts. As long as you are running Hornady ammo or reloading with understanding of what you are reloading for, you should be fine. The best operating system set up I have found for 6 ARC is with a Rifle +1" gas length. This can affect your hand guard selection. So what does this all mean? The best combination for the AR 15 platform would be a 6.8 SPC cartridge with a 90-108 gr 6mm bullet. Well, this just happens to already been made. It's called 6mm HAGAR and White Oak Armament used to make barrels for it. Hornady made a short run of brass for it, but it would be easy to wildcat the round. Sadly, WOA doesn't make the barrels anymore. SOLGW is making a new 6mm round called 6mm MAX and is made off the .350 Legend case. It's essentially a 6x45 but off a different case. Both HAGAR and MAX offer better bolt reliability over ARC and achieve equitable ballistics. I personally would like to see 6 HAGAR come back. Lastly, the belief that bullets lose stability when going trans-sonic has basically been debunked. They just became so effected by wind and gravity it looks like they have become unstable. If you want to see this is true, go watch MarkandSam after Work on KZbin.

[@jordanbagwell32]

You should compare the 6.5 Grendel 18” barrel vs the 6 ARC

[@ipong25]

Would love to see this comparison

[@RedFRC]

Yup, the Grendel handles a wider range of bullet weights and hits harder. I won't deny the ARC makes a good paper puncher but if you want something for taking game then use a bigger caliber like the Grendel.

[@robertkeller9828]

AR-10 in 308. 30 cal still RULES...In both effectiveness and cost. Stop feeding the Hornady coffers with their latest "Round of the Week"

[@inspiredartphotos]

@@robertkeller9828I gave you thumbs up. With Starline Brass and 107 MatchKings, the cost difference is minimal. I have both. I prefer the ARC

[@cesjr86]

This is exactly why I came to the comments. I want to know how they compare. Ballistically, size, weight, velocity, etc they’re very similar. Grendal on the other hand is cheaper and more readily available.

[@joyroc885]

I'll stick with the 6.5G for now. DOD claims the 6mm arc handle barriers better but I haven't seen anything to back this up yet. Can you test this?

[@hmmhuh12]

Everytime i watch a new grandthumb vid..... i just want to scream out SNNNNNAAAAAKKKEEEE!!!!!!!

[@pewpewbbqs]

Yesterday- I think my next build is gonna be 6.5 Grendel Today- Garand Thumb releases this video... FUCK I FORGOT ABOUT 6MM ARC... IDK WHAT TO DO

[@marlowek1936]

Whichever is cheaper. They both are similar enough in my opinion.

[@williamcoop8945]

Lmao I started a 300blk build the week before GT vid dropped shitting on it

[@pewpewbbqs]

@@williamcoop8945 300blk def. has a purpose

[@pewpewbbqs]

@@marlowek1936 You're not wrong... I never looked at the price of 6mm arc

[@cohesive3482]

IF you want to hunt medium sized game, get the grendel. If you want flat shooting range gun, get the 6m arc.

[@syko2164]

Love Charlie. Main character. Oh, hi Mike.

[@F.M671]

now I gotta listen to lilium again

[@0fx2gv]

@2:40 bro high af talking about ballistic coefficients 😂😂 love my county

[@privatepadilla]

Hornady has some podcasts on the ARC, Creedmoor, and PRC families of cartridges that go into way more of the technical details. Worth a watch/listen if the academic side of this interests you. Also, maybe G-Thumb could be a guest someday? Just throwing it out there...

[@Corndogsauce1974]

THANK YOU! didn't know hornady made content like that on KZbin!

[@thearkansasadventurer]

Thanks for the educational videos that you guys work so hard on.

[@TheAverageMountainMan]

I keep watching this one over and over again

[@guitarlessonswith4480]

Cool round. It will be interesting to see it develop & integrate over the next few years.

[@75Beef]

6mm ARC: Barrel life Military: I'm out...

[@rogerborg]

5.56 cons: you can't hit shit at range. 5.56 pros: you can't hit shit at range for a whole deployment

[@75Beef]

@@rogerborg "The weapon will outshoot the shooter" applies to you.

[@teesimpson3872]

The military passed based more on bolt face life than barrel life.

[@mikebyers954]

Is the military really worried about changing barrels every 5k rounds?

[@75Beef]

@@mikebyers954 They are weird. Our M4 has a life expectancy of 10-12k. I've also heard the Sig Spear 6.8x51 was also getting implemented. But that barrel life is even shorter yet. Shoot, a guy in my unit it was a scout and his first deployment in Iraq and he was issued a M14 .308. I just doubt anything is getting implemented any time soon with how broke the military is right now.

[@armeddiver]

I am a super 6mm ARC fan. I have built both an AR platform gun and a bolt gun. You brought up that the wear on the 6 ARC is greater than the AR-15/M4/M16, which is true, [but] it is a lot less than the wear of the 6.8x51mm. Forgive me, but I am going into a rant. The chamber pressure of the 6.8x51mm (or .227 Fury) at 80,000 psi is going to destroy the guns, especially at high rates of fire. The estimate before having to re-barrel and re-bolt the M7 used in combat is 10,000 rds. You were an operator with the Air Force and know better than most of us how fast you can burn thru 10,000 rds in combat. The 6.8x51mm cartridge was allegedly [needed] to defeat high tech body armor. Hmmm…. How have we been defeating body armor so far? Oh, I know, Green Tip Steel Core, 5.56 rounds. I am pretty sure that they can make a 6mm bullet that will be more than efficient enough to defeat any type of body armor that will be worn by an opposing combatant. Let’s talk about the gun, the M7. The basic gun is nothing but a short piston AR10, which means it is a much heavier gun than the AR15 platform 6 ARC, and it is being sole sourced from Sig Sauer. My very personal opinion, the M7 and 6.8x51mm cartridge were an extremely stupid decision by the Army. The weapon is heavy, almost 10 lbs with the suppressor attached. I would be surprised if the gun isn’t closer to 15 lbs after you add an optic, weapons light and laser system. Now add the weight of a basic 120 rd loadout w/mags and you have another 11 lbs. I really don’t think a basic rifleman is going to want to ‘walk’ around or hike with 25 lbs of weapons system and ammo. Now let’s add one more factor. There is really no civilian market for the .277 Fury or 6.8x51mm. With chamber pressures of 80,000 psi and a caliber that is between 6.5 CM and .308, it really offers nothing to the civilian market. Sig will sell a few MCX Spears in .277 Fury, to collectors or those that just want to have the latest military firearm, but I personally don’t believe it will be anything more than a niche cartridge. Making the 6mm ARC the replacement cartridge for the 5.56x45mm is the only thing that makes any sense and should be painfully obvious to Army leadership. The only thing that you need to convert a standard 5.56x45mm AR15/M4 is a barrel, bolt and magazine. What does the U.S. military have? Thousands of AR15 lowers, uppers and parts. All of which can still be used. What else uses the AR 15 platform? The 300 BLK, which is heavily used right now by SOCOM and other operator units. Anyone with even a slight interest in guns can understand that 6mm ARC is the better way to go over the 6.8x51mm M7.

[@turktalkdude]

6 ARC has been super popular here for coyote hunting for about 5 years now.

[@Borderline5440]

That's interesting, considering that it's a 4-year year old cartridge.

[@WayStedYou]

@@Borderline5440 people were wildcatting it before it got approved its just 6.5 grendel necked to 6mm which has been a thing for 20 years which was based on .220 russian so that is from the 60s, they already made 6m ppc in the 70s from that but this is just a 6.5 grendel case adjusted.

[@ZboeC5]

@@WayStedYou What this guy said. 6mm ARC isn't actually "new"...more like "newly marketed".

[@r2com641]

6.5 Grendel for life

[@charlesbarger8872]

All the 6 arc is is a 6 mm Grendel. Hornady barely changed it. At least guys don't have to fire form brass anymore.

[@mostpopularpresidentever]

I've had mine since it came out and have zero regrets! it suppress's great and anchors the deer in my area 🤷🏽‍♂🤷🏽‍♂

[@sagmeister2234]

Micah’s reaction to the charging handle comment had me rolling. Lol!

[@oodsigma4482]

I do hope you liked the serial number on that lower. Hand picked it myself when I was tasked with building the lower. The trigger is a GFR-E and that specific trigger is the nicest trigger I ever installed in a lower and I've installed thousands.

[@angeloc1340]

lol what was the number

[@oodsigma4482]

@@angeloc1340 serial ended with 69

[@BenSuzuki]

Nice

[@ZachAttack2U]

It looks like you put a lot of time and craftsmanship into hand fitting that rifle- Thanks for your hard work! Could you tell me more about the GFR-E. I know it has nano coating like the new X variants of the SSA and the SSA-E. Is it a new trigger, or a specialty trigger. I enjoy details, so feel free to go nuts.

[@oodsigma4482]

@ZachAttack2U it's mostly a wide body like the SSAE-X but with a curved trigger instead of the Lightning Bow. Nano coated. 4ish pound two stage pull.

[@Danielmsound1]

Grew up with an Uncle that has tested and loaded everything and has sworn by 6mm since I was a kid. There is a reason it is very popular in competition. between 6mm PRC and 6mm arc its great to see these options without having to go into the wild cat rounds. need to buy one. 6mm Maxx looks promising as well.

[@davidduafala3050]

So it's actually just the original 280 round from the FAL. If the DoD hadn't undermined the program we wouldn't have to reinvent the wheel.

[@tarkett8529]

280 from the EM-2, but no it’s a different round the 280 British was a 7x43mm round 130/140 grain.

[@dmw7320]

It’s more like a 6 ppc improved just a different label.

[@Laz7481]

Not really, the 280 had a less potent powder charge than modern cartridges that seem superficially similar. It had inferior ballistics to 308, without providing much in terms of capacity. Using modern powders it might be good, but not when it was invented.

[@timbirch4999]

​@@Laz7481 Except you could fire 280 on full auto without rattling all your fillings out.

[@Laz7481]

@timbirch4999 that has more to do with the muzzle breaks on m14 than anything. The Italian bm59 was fairly controllable, and the 240B, and other modern light machineguns use 7.62 without any issues.

[@billjensen6216]

I really would love a video of the 6 ARC vs. the 6.5 grendel if you get a chance. Then it's an apple to apple comparison.

[@silencerstudent9381]

Happy to see this. I think 6arc is maybe the best thing ever for the AR platform. I use a 12.5” suppressed with a 6-7” suppressor and hit torso size targets out to 1000 yards. Thats simply put- insane. Small short super light large ammo capacity retained more lethality then 5.56 and the ability to reach out insanely far. Handloading it is a blast too.

[@Just-S0me_space-cowboy]

6 mm Max coping right now because ARC got a it's video first

[@Ninjaman-do5uk]

6max isn't real yet. But it's gonna be better because the bolt/brass is better.

[@teesimpson3872]

The 6mm Max guys aren’t looking to get SAAMI approval, if that’s what you mean by real. Their goal is to grab a military contract, above all else. So ammo prices are going to stay pretty steady, with availability slightly improving.

[@CharlesD-qb9nm]

This round deserves to be much more popular that it already is, nice to see this channel showing it off which will hopefully help to make this more popular.

[@CrWilson-do1ik]

I’m just glad this guy’s on our side. He is on our side, right😂

[@Akyuz1000]

I'm still exstatic over 8.6 Blackout and watching reruns of it!

[@patrickpendergast898]

Look into the 375 Raptor it’s based on the same case but it’s a bigger bore. 8.6 blk subsonic is 300gr bullet. 375 Raptor supsonic is 270gr bullet and subsonic is a 400gr bullet. More power from the exact same parent case.

[@3CODKing]

Yet both are dummy expensive so fuck that. ​@@patrickpendergast898

[@Redacted_Actual_]

It's kind of funny. MAC has been touting 6mm ARC for a while, and people were telling him he was delusional.

[@theoldefirme4500]

And 6.8, he thinks 6.8 spc should be the service round.

[@SPIRIT-117]

Tbf he tours 6.8SPC which is definitely delusional

[@Redacted_Actual_]

@theoldefirme4500 Agreed. 6.8 SPC is a hard pass, especially as the service round.

[@Redacted_Actual_]

@@SPIRIT-117 agreed

[@johnnyrc9304]

6-ARC is great in bolt guns too. I bought an 18” Savage 110 in 6 ARC as a hobby gun. Considering all the component shortages, it’s great! Especially since it’s a 1200 yard capable rifle that takes small rifle primers. Using Varget it wasn’t hard to get a load shooting 3/8”. I’m a fan.

[@gansior4744]

6 ARC looks like something US army should have choose instead of 6.8 Sig

[@jwonacott9615]

Screw the SIG Spear. If the Army wants an updated service rifle, keep the AR and update it to 6mm ARC.

[@jimmyvollman7596]

I would love to see the same contest against 6.5 Grendel, my favorite do-everything AR cartridge.

[@cm2973]

How long do the barrels last? Also, never been here this early. Neat.

[@GarandThumb]

really depends on a lot of factors we're doing our own internal testing rn

[@cm2973]

@@GarandThumb 😎😎😎

[@benjamingould5950]

I’ve seen them go 10k plus

[@cm2973]

@@benjamingould5950 ^That's good news.