Hornady 6mm ARC Joins Race to the Bottom

[@markamiller1970]

"Flip-flopping" is not a bad thing if it is done because you are thinking, learning, studying and evaluating new information! That is a sign of a person who is wise.

[@weldmonger1560]

@@markamiller1970 i think that's the exact opposite of what happens. If you train with the same gun and same everything ur gonna out shoot the guy that always swaps caliber. It's called muscle memory and how the human brain works. I am absolutely surgical with my 22 nosler but that's only cuz I've shot it since 2017 so 7 years I've been running the same gun and I can't say I'm as good of a shot with anything else other than that rifle....

[@RazorBrain1]

The 6mm arc was designed for the ar15 platform. It also makes a good bolt gun for deer. SOF wanted a cartridge that could be easily carried like the m4 but had the capability to engage targets over 500m because the bad guys would sit just outside the 5.56 range and lob rounds in just hoping to hit someone. And thus the 6mm arc was made. In the right hands it is capable of accuracy at 1000m.

[@dustinfarnsworth174]

The 6mm ARC is one of the most common calibers my customers have built. I went with one of my customers and called some coyotes and he shot a coyote at 580 yards with it. Other than shooting paper, I had never shot the 6mm ARC. I ended up building one for myself and love it. It’s my go to rifle now for coyotes and varmints.

[@ghost101049]

How do you like it VS the 6.5 Grendel?

[@dustinfarnsworth174]

@@ghost101049 I don’t. Get the 6mm ARC.

[@weldmonger1560]

But please explain why? Why on earth would u want a slow and heavy bullet for varmints? We are running 55 grain bullets at 3500 fps out of an ar15. And i would never ever even consider a 6mm bullet for doggin. Its absurd...and im sure more expensive

[@TimothyTerrell-o2o]

​@@weldmonger1560you realize it's not limited to heavy bullets? What makes 243 so good ? Versatility, And the 6 arc versatility, in a ar 15. For a bolt gun 243, for an ar 15, 6 arc . Otherwise ar 10 platform in 243….

[@weldmonger1560]

@@TimothyTerrell-o2o yeah I'm not racking a bolt wasting precious time first of all and secondly, my lead times are shorter on runners than you and thirdly..I don't want to lug a 12 pound ar10 rifle when I have a 7 pound ar15 rifle with a thermal on it bring carbon fiber everything.

[@DrewEdwardBacklas]

It pains me to say it because I went 6.5 grendel before the arc existed… but the 6 arc is probably the best all around cartridge for the ar15 platform. It’s a 400 yard deer cartridge you can put in a 6.5 lbs (loaded and scoped) semi auto that shoots sub moa… besides that it has great application as a fighting/defensive rifle cartridge. I think Hornady hit it out of the park with this one. (But Not enough of a difference for me to switch from 6.5 grendel at this point)

[@gbear34]

Same

[@PineyJustice]

6.5 is better, the arc has a very minimal bc benefit while losing 20 grains of bullet. 6.5 grendel and 22 grendel are the best of the bunch.

[@1o1carolina53]

@@PineyJustice perfectly stated

[@DrewEdwardBacklas]

PineyJustice the 123 eldm at .506 G1 out of the grendel can be pushed at around 2450 FPS out of an ar. The 108eldm at .536 can be pushed at close to 200fps faster out of the same barrel length ar. Faster starting velocity and higher bc= more velocity down range in a cartridge class where minimum expansion velocity (around 2000fps for most projectiles) is your determining factor for maximum effective range on game. Your looking at around a 100 yard advantage to the 6 arc.

[@PineyJustice]

@@DrewEdwardBacklas Except that hornady factory 6.5 grendel is more like 2600 fps, on top of that, handloading a little hotter is fairly normal, run a quality bolt. Current pressure limitations are largely due to the old bolts when the cartridge first came out which were little more than modified 5.56 bolts. If you want speed and BC, 22 grendel is better than 6 arc.

[@lil--mo2025]

I’m grateful for mature men like yourself to self reflect and then make compromises as well as give credit in areas contrary to your previous mindset. Thank you for all your great work!

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Thank you, Lil-Mo.

[@pacificcoastpiper3949]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors I want to see you do a video on all the weirder caliber stuff you don’t think gets enough love

[@sasquatchrosefarts]

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Ron, you missed something. Although this is good. And 6.5 grendel.is good. Because they run different diameter bolt face, they have heavy upper receivers on ar15. For overall weight of a sporty hunting ar15, you want 300 hamr, or 25-45 sharps. The standard brass can be loaded with good powder and accomplish a lot on a heavier bullet. 6.5 Grendel rifles, and 6mm arc , makes the ar15 gain a pound or two. Which then makes them kinda not such good choices. They are good, but not optimal.

[@CCXRS7]

It's obviously not that anyone just wants a slow .243, it's just how much performance can you shove into an AR magazine length. May be less than most 6mm but it's still more than 5.56 which is the main idea.

[@jmboberg6]

Baffles me that this isn't the main talking point in all these cartridge war videos... It's all about maximizing performance in a given platform depending on the intended application

[@frankk1512]

243 fits in the Ar 10 though....

[@CCXRS7]

@@frankk1512 Yeah, if you have a larger gun with a longer action you can fit a more powerful cartridge. That's like saying the 300 BLK is a "slow 30 cal" because you can fit 308 in an AR-10. It is, duh, but that's rather missing the point of the cartridge.

[@frankk1512]

@@CCXRS7 "Yeah, if you have a larger gun with a longer action you can fit a more powerful cartridge" ' No thats the point im making, Its more on the same platform. The differences appear in recoil ect but not in build size.

[@bradleycampbell1634]

@@frankk1512 the 243 fits in the ar10, not the smaller framed ar15. 243 is irrelevant to compare to the 6arc

[@jacobmccandles1767]

Still in love with the .257 Roberts. I have one that has been used by 40+ people to harvest something around 150-200 deer, antelope, and a few elk.

[@keithbaldwin1236]

Fell in love with the 6mm ARC when I first read about it. Ron, you were correct to give this little cartridge another look. Nice work!

[@TheWarriorsMind]

The 6mm ARC was developed for the AR15. It is a near perfect round for that. If you are a bolt action type person, you would say it is under powered. In opinion, it is near perfect for what it made for. When you compare calibers/rounds, you have to think about why they developed. It is a great round!

[@noelsteele]

There is a bolt action upper for the AR platform in 6mm ARC! It. Is. Awesome.

[@crashdsnowman1]

Hornady just copied the 6mmAR that had been out for 12 or 13 years, 243 and 6mm Predator had also been out several years before the ARC

[@johnouellet4099]

Until you break your bolt-face like every other AR 15 pattern 6mm arc. The case is too big with too much pressure for the lugs on a standard AR 15 bolt. These cases should’ve been sized up to the AR 10.

[@milserpentine]

@@johnouellet4099 If it was sized up to the AR-10 it would have never seen the popularity it has today

[@jeffwood6136]

6mm arc is great especially for AR platform. I saved a ton of weight over my 6.5cm AR. Packs a perfect punch for deer and down.

[@ronlowney4700]

🤠 I think many of us out West forget that most of the country is only hunting Whitetail deer and at ranges under 300 yards (usually half of that)! Thefore, what we see as an "irrelevant" cartridge (because we may be thinking about elk) is actually ideal for Whitetail deer at closer ranges! That is why it is important that we take those situations into strong consideration! Horneday seems to be the only manufacturer thinking about what the majority of the country wants and needs, rather than the rare international hunter seeking a stump thumper of a Magnum cartridge! I like what they have done! I think that this cartridge would also be good for the military in closed quarter, indoor combat situations! Anyway, thanks for the review Ron! 👍

[@alexzamora6700]

I think it was initially designed for the military. They wanted something with more punch than the 223/556.

[@joelmcmahan7386]

A lot of hunters going with the 6mm and having good success with it. Thanks Ron for more information on this new favorite of the Hunting and shooting sports. 🎥💯👍

[@southerntriplej8061]

Well I've seen a couple lost with it already last year. No exit and no blood trail.

[@southerntriplej8061]

@@Future-Preps35 Well 180!yards isn't too far, and when a deer is knocked down hair knocked out of him blood's found there, and he gets up and runs off that's not a Miss buddy if you don't have a blood trail to follow, around here it's over , I don't care how much energy a bullet put in a Target if the target's not killed and you don't have a blood trail and you don't have a trail dog , you're not finding the deer. I mean you might be as all these new kids, they don't care as long as they go and find a rack five days later after buzzards are flying around, if that's the kind of Hunter you are, then you are set. I mean I shot a good one with my 6.5 Grendel Last year at 80 yards and didn't get an exit or any blood trail and I almost didn't find that buck, but I just stumbled across him. I mean I'm not bull crapping you, the facts are the facts if you don't have two holes in an animal it's hard to find them in the deep South I've hunted down here 40 years now. And the biggest requirement for a deer cartridge down here is two holes in the animal. I know gun makers and bullet salesman like to talk about all the high B.C. and energy in the Target with no exit, all these frangible bullets and all this bull crap. But the fact still remain if you can't find your game, well you just got a conversation piece then., Think about it the pipsqueak 243 comes out and over 3,100 ft per second And for the last 35 years of using one I have heard people talk about how it was too small not good enough and blah blah blah. Now you got a cartridge coming out 300 plus feet a second slower than the 243 and it's a long range Slayer? Car reminds me of CNN and nsnbc and the rest of the b******* we hear everyday.

[@ravioliformuoli520]

Sounds like someone is a terrible shot

[@miketully9905]

RESPECT It takes a real man to admit when they’re wrong. Kudos.

[@FredHenry1850]

The 6mm ARC, from what I have gathered, is a DOD & Hornady project to make a cartridge to be more effective than the 5.56 at the extended ranges (500-850 yards), yet, lighter weight than the .308 and also interchangeable with the M4/AR-15 platform. A soldier can have one lower receiver and two upper receivers (5.56 & 6mm ARC). When engaging at enemies beyond the effective range of the 5.56, the soldier can switch uppers and effectively do so. I know I am late to the table, but I just watched the Hornady podcast on the 6mm ARC. That is where I got this info. Note: Combat is different than hunting. I do not encourage anyone take a 700 yard shot on a deer with a 6mm ARC. I wouldn't take a 500 yard shot on a deer with a 7mm Rem mag. My personal hunting limit is 400 yards... and that is far...

[@CZ49]

A Fellow in Pennsylvania first came out with the 6x6.5 Grendel or 6AR and 2 other versions. His name is Robert Whitley. The Arc is .030 shorter. That is all.

[@KKLordofWar]

Big fan of the 6mm ARC. Just a target shooter but I've pushed out this small cartridge to 1000 yards in an AR platform and it was a lot of fun. BC with 107 HPBT SMK is exceptional and fun to shoot. Glad to see you have changed your mind on the cartridge.

[@josephlong7420]

I am quite pleased you have come around to the ARC. I am normally a tried and true cartridge guy but this one spoke to me. I jumped on the bandwagon about 6 months after it came out. I have taken it out to 600 yards and its a winner in my opinion.

[@jerryshowens3049]

I love my Savage .243. I use 55gr Winchester Ballistic Tip for coyotes.

[@92Ordo]

I like watching this channel because I feel like it's like sitting down with my Grandpa for a history lesson on guns. Thanks, Ron.

[@idahoron]

The spot where I believe the 6 ARC will shine is the micro action Howa. The rifle is under 5 pounds. That would make a great high mountain. Off the beaten path kind of rifle.

[@bigald9560]

That's right. That and the Grendel are perfect for those ultralight mini actions. Do you by chance have a howa mini action build? If so would you mind sharing what you used and the weights? Thanks.

[@idahoron]

@@bigald9560 I don't have one yet. I was really hoping CZ would have a 527 6mm ARC. CZ dropped the 527 line and shot them selves in the foot. At some point I will probably get a Howa but I don't have one yet.

[@ericshipp51]

It’s shines in the AR15. Way more power and effective range than the .223. The military should’ve adopted it instead of the .277 BS

[@idahoron]

@@ericshipp51 I read something about the military did adopt it.

[@Nick-sx6jm]

@@idahoron They are fooling around with a lot of stuff.

[@davidschachle6689]

I would have liked to see in the 6.5 Grendel in this comparison. The 6 mm Arc looks like a stablemate to the 65grendel. Would love to see a video comparing the two.

[@kaytod]

Really, the 6ARC is 6mm PPC made for AR's or if to put it another way a 6mm Grendel. The three cartridges would be virtually identical in capacity and performance. Although the exterior dimensions would vary slightly, the would be very very close.

[@davidschachle6689]

@@kaytod exactly my point.

[@actionjksn]

It's a necked down Grendel, that's why it looks similar to you. They actually use the same magazines, my Grendel mags say Grendel or ARC right on them. BTW the ARC outperforms the Grendel by just a little bit after a few hundred yards.

[@shmuckling]

@@kaytod Anyone here have any experience with the 224 Vakyrie? How does it compare to the 6mm ARC and the 6.5 Grendel?

[@djl5634]

6.5 Grendel has cheap ammo. 6arc is expensive proprietary. That was my decision maker. I didn't buy 6.5 grendel till wolf and ppu started making grendel ammo. If I can't afford to shoot it it's useless

[@MrRdvs87]

I went with 6.5 grendel about 4-5 years ago and went that route exclusively to hunt. There’s a good deal of overlap between the arc and grendel that I won’t touch the arc unless it takes off and becomes easy to pick up like it’s a .308 or 5.56.

[@mattcomchoc2957]

agreed. even if you're just getting into guns/hunting and need something in this cartridge range, grendel is still the way to go. ammo is much cheaper and more available, and it's clear it won't be relegated to the dustbin anytime soon, which remains to be seen with the 6ARC.

[@wesfox4455]

Like 6.5 Grendel is easy to find right?

[@MrRdvs87]

It was easier when I first got into it. I was able walk into academy and a few local shops and find decent deer loads for it with relative ease. Since I only use it to hunt, the 6-8 boxes I have on hand will last me a long time. So, unless arc pops up on shelves and is just too easy to score, I’ll keep running what I have.

[@bryanbiltoft8141]

The problem with 6.5G is that you lose enough velocity beyond 300 yards that expanding bullets don't work like they're supposed too.

[@MrRdvs87]

@@bryanbiltoft8141 that very well could be, but hunting in the south east, you’re not likely (there will be outliers) to see distances in excess of even 200. If you’re wanting to sit on a power line and and need to shoot over 300 yards, you might want to select another cartridge.

[@northman77]

I like this cartrige but I prefer the 6.5 Grendel! Keep going Ron.

[@Gieszkanne]

Its just kind of a 6mm Grendel

[@northman77]

@@Gieszkanne pretty much! I also like 6.5 creed but prefer 308... Barrel life all the way lol.

[@paststeve1]

Great video Ron! One simple mea culpa has added to my already high regard for, and trust in your commentary about new cartridges available today. Thanks for what you do and kudos for your personal integrity and willingness to learn and admit a mistake. Grace & Peace.

[@RonSpomerOutdoors]

Many thanks Rev. Steve. Peace.

[@ryanpatton5937]

I love the 6mm arc it does so many things well.

[@Blackdiamond2]

Glad to hear you've changed your mind on the little 6ARC! I did think your criticism of it before was a little misplaced, so it's cool to see you come around and see the utility in this super-efficient little 6.

[@treece1]

Think about it. Its got the same, about the same powder capacity as ppc. Ppc is 33 h20, arc is 34 of h20. Powder capacity is one thing that makes poc so dam consistent. It fills the case all the way up. Uses smal rifle primers. Small flash hole. Its going to accurate. Sliw twist or fast twist. Run the powder how ever. If you could get good brass for it. It would really take off

[@gpdykstra]

It’s nice to see that you did not do just a one and done but you actually followed up on this cartridge. I have had a 6mm ARC for about a year now and I am extremely pleased with it’s performance in taking deer with most of my shots being under 200 yards. Before the 6mm ARC my main go to was the .308.

[@miketyson8933]

6.8 Western for me!!! It's an updated .270 WSM and the numbers even at long range are VERY IMPRESSIVE! The 6.8 is a short action BEAST that can do about anything and hunt anything!!

[@TommyboyGTP]

I don't believe you mentioned it, but the 6mm ARC comes from the 6.5 Grendel, which is already become a popular cartridge. It's just necked down from 6.5 to 6mm. If you reload, you can form the brass for it.

[@cornpopishuntersrealdaddy4690]

Yep that's practically the only way we can shoot them lol

[@djl5634]

Hornady pushed vax mandates. Are anti freedom. By a Grendel

[@sylviahofer1246]

Thanks Ron! My respect for you increased tremendously because of this video. I love the fact that your getting older, and yet you still have an open, teachable mind. Great content. 👍 Moe on my wife's account.

[@rjva1743]

Easily one of the top hunting/shooting channels on KZbin. You are very knowledgeable on a wide breadth of many aspects of internal, external and terminal ballistics, even the more arcane details. It doesn't go unnoticed. Well done sir, keep up the outstanding content.

[@chrisb9478]

6mm Arc would be a great AR15 build for a deer & antelope gun. I’d probably use a 16 or 18” barrel to keep it light. And a 1-10 or 3-15 scope would be sweet.

[@kesleycottrell1416]

I have a 6mm Rem. It was getting hard to find ammo 30 years ago when I started reloading. The .243 Win. is very similar and the ammo is easier to find.

[@curtisleesdrummingvideos7054]

Love the 6mm ARC!

[@johnfife3062]

Great stuff! Thank you. Just for giggles, while we're talking 6mm history, let's look back fondly at the M1895 Lee Navy that fired a 112-gr. round nose 2,560 fps; smokeless, rimless bottleneck cartridge; fast, straight-pull bolt; 5-rd en-bloc clip. The 6mm ARC's better, but not that much better...even after the passage of 127 years. Just imagine what it'd do loaded up with a spirepoint. Some cartridge for its day! Ron, looking forward to hearing your rundown on the 6.8x51 (.277 Fury).

[@georgewhitworth9742]

Well not "straight pull" per say, it was more like a "tilt action" style of bolt, and not a true straight pull.

[@steveelder5306]

the cartridge they made the .220 Swift from

[@davidpryor7366]

Seeing how the 6 arc was designed for the AR-15 platform, it would be nice to see it compared to other AR-15 compatible rounds. I think it will blow them all away.

[@marcanthony854]

Watch Garand Thumbs 6mm ARC video

[@TonyYork-KB9RAO]

When I was younger, I wanted nothing to do with the old 30-06, Opting for 22-250, 243, 6mm rem, and 25-06, (Still my favorite to shoot), but as age and experience found its way into my life, I switched over to 30-06. Why? Simple; it does everything I need a centerfire rifle to do, and does it well. I suppose I really love the value of that.

[@TheExplosiveGuy]

Aside from small game and Blue Whales there isn't much a 30-06 can't do lol, I'm in complete agreement.

[@rottiesrule5285]

@@TheExplosiveGuy it'll even do the blue whale if you hit it in the right spot..and yeah...there's not much left in the small game end lest you hit beside them and the shockwave kills them

[@TheExplosiveGuy]

@@rottiesrule5285 I suppose you're right, brass solids or tungsten penetrators will kill any living thing, if you hit the right spot😂.

[@TheExplosiveGuy]

@@rottiesrule5285 You just got me thinking about figuring where to shoot in front of small game with an aught six to smack them with gravel or dirt, that's actually a deviously great idea. I don't know if I'm that much of an inexperienced hunter to have never heard of that tactic or if you're a dang genius in disguise, but by all that is hole-e, I'm going to try that out some time because that might actually work. Look at you, all smart and shit😉, I think I like you lol.

[@rottiesrule5285]

@@TheExplosiveGuy lol...well all i'm going to say is if you miss enough you kinda learn that not hitting it can sometimes do as good or better than hitting it....you'd be supprised what a 22-250 can do smacking a rock behind a groundhog and the blow-back hitting it...works with lots of others..[guess you kinda know how i know huh]

[@mostpopularpresidentever]

I built a 6 Arc when they came out , now my buddies and even wife all have one and we love it for deer

[@brentbryson215]

Ron, great video. I live in AZ and hunt Coues deer down along the border. While I’m carrying a bolt gun, one of my buddies carries a 6mm ARC AR 15. Which gives us some comfort in case things get sporty.

[@sasquatchrosefarts]

Yes, it fills that role. But to be fair, 77 grain ar15 can run double duty on both deer and two legged critters. And 25-45 sharps requires only a barrel change on the ar15. Or 300 hamr. No bolt change. 6mm arc is cool, but it's a spendy way to do what already exists.

[@brentbryson215]

@@sasquatchrosefarts 1) To each his own on rifle calibers. My friend with the 6mm ARC has many, many guns to choose from. 2) .223 isn’t legal on deer in AZ. 3) I like your YT handle! Made me smile.

[@JimYeats]

@@brentbryson215 .223 is completely legal for deer in Arizona. R12-4-304. Any centerfire rifle caliber, any centerfire handgun caliber, any muzzleloader rifle or handgun, shotgun using slugs, pneumatic gun .35 caliber and greater, plus archery and others exc exc.

[@harteverett]

I got most all of them including the ARC and the 243LBC aka 6 mm Grendel. It’s just an option but it doesn’t replace the 6.5 Grendel as the most bang outta AR platform. Grendel is will king

[@invictus3598]

As usual, another great comparison of some amazing cartridges for those mid-range shooters. Thank you!

[@redplemons8084]

I have been doing the AR platform since 1985. This by far has been the most versatile round I have used. I shoot PRS gas gun with it. I hunt with it pig and dear.

[@jcnikoley]

6ARC is an amazingly efficient cartridge. I have one in a 20” AR rifle. Huge upgrade from a 5.56/.223 for long range target shooting and hunting. It’s amazing how well it compares with .243 Win for such a smaller cartridge.

[@Brian-xplor278]

Thanks for all your efforts over the years Ron. The best thing with the 6ARC has always been the potential... (if)... If brass and factory would open up then hopefully more gas guys would convert and drive demand. Since they go through more rounds, seems quantities would drive more manufactures to chamber bolt guns in 6arc as standard offerings (like 223). Bolts seem to be good enough for targets at the 600-1200 range to practice calling wind & fundamentals, especially for those that are limited to value (and just like shooting distance). I guess we will see :)

[@phil20_20]

1:10 twist is just archaic. The .270 Win is suffering from the same problem. People are shooting 170 grain bullets over 2000 yards with 1:8 twist barrels.

[@farmer727]

Agree. Rebarrled my 243 with 1:8. Not even the same league as a 1:10.

[@IamONaLIST]

Same with 308, there is some new heavier 308 ammo that requires a 1:8 twist

[@Eric--zs6um]

I agree that .243,25-06,,270 are left behind. Twist them Boys up and they are come to life. Like the 130+ grain bullets for .25 To each his own I guess.

[@StreetLight099]

@@IamONaLISTthis is my biggest gripe with any 30cal rifle. Whether you get a 308, a 300 win mag, or an 06 they all have 1:10 or even a 1:12. It seems like the only way to get the appropriate twist rate for a rifle of any caliber is to get it custom built

[@StreetLight099]

@@farmer727 was this to shoot 100gr bullets better or does it help all around with the 70-90gr bullets too?

[@lylewalters909]

I just built a 6ARC. With 24in heavy barrel. I govwith 600 to 700 foot lbs for northern Michigan whitetail. Heck my old 244 with a 95gr SST does a heck of a job on them as well. Great v Ron . Thanks

[@jeeplife2035]

Another great video Ron! Truly enjoy your insight, and hear your experiences. You do such a great job breaking things down where we can enjoy listening and learn from.

[@thomthompson9217]

The 6mm ARC is the round of the future. When selecting a caliber for the next build I go strictly by the numbers; and the numbers for this relatively new caliber outshine everything else in the .243 neighborhood. Big caliber performance, a high B/C, and a respectable velocity make this round a keeper. Additionally, the caliber when married with the compactness of the ar15 platform make this round a huge winner.

[@PolluxA]

Rumor has it that an 6mm ARC with the steel base of the 6.8X51 Sig can push a 108 grain bullet out of the barrel at 3,100 fps, making it almost on pair with 6.5 Creedmoor. The downside is the high chamber pressure, but that's not a problem if the gun is built to handle it.

[@jamesmoody5850]

Long live the .243, everyone is trying to equal or exceed this cartridge but the .243 is still king.

[@bradleycampbell1634]

The 6arc isn’t meant to be competition for the 243. The 6arc was designed to fit in an ar15 magazine.

[@frankschneider5566]

😂some peeps just dont get it. Sorry, i cant help but to laugh when i see guys comparing the arc to the 243 like they think its made to conquer it. So dang funny.

[@joshlower1]

The 6mm cm kills the 243

[@tikkasako6.5]

Ron's humble opinion strangely parallels the source of his check. Long live 243!!

[@K.O.tyranny]

Lol but not in an AR .

[@perrywinkleelliott5131]

GREAT VIDEO Love 6mm arc what a great little round and it stay supper sonic to about 1200 yards so great round for all sorts of stuff makes a great spr in the ar platform

[@karlsailor]

I've switched to 6mm Dasher for competition. The Dasher splits the difference between the ARC and 243/6CM. Berger 105's @ 2950 work, but mine is happier at 2850-2900. Won't work in an AR15 though.

[@crashdsnowman1]

It will work in an AR15, I sold hundreds of them and the 6BRX starting around 2009. Yes, we machined different bolts and extensions to make it work.

[@oscarperales8365]

Some time around 30 years ago, wow has it been that long, a good friend of mine provide me with a 'shot out' M16 barrel that had been button bored to 6 mm. This was a collaborative effort from my friend who happened to know Joyce Hornady. This became and is the 6X45 cartridge. I have a set of dies marked 6X45 Old Sarge which was my friend. So you simply take standard 223 brass, expand the neck, use 6 mm bullets (90 to 105 grain) and you have what seems to be what everyone has been chasing the past years. Ron, please do a video on this cartridge.

[@AverageDudeAdventures]

Been a fan from the beginning. I hope it continues to grow when the ammo armageddon ends. Love to see more factory bolt guns offering this cartridge as well.

[@JohnLee-lr2op]

I'm relatively new to the 6mm/6.5mm world, just now delving into a 6.5 CM last season, but I wish I had paid more attention to the 6mm Creedmoor. For trajectory and energy vs. recoil I am quite impressed with it. The 6 ARC still holds my interest, but I'm thinking only in the way of an AR platform. Thank you for the video and all of the great info!

[@tyler6147]

Normally I let gun drama go, but I really got bothered by that original article you posted. LOL I guess more than anything THANK YOU for being open minded and willing to learn. This kind of attitude needs to be promoted more in pretty much anything, but especially in the shooting sports.

[@miketyson8933]

Most of us felt the same way when the 6.8 Western came out nobody looked and we all laughed, now realizing its an updated .270 WSM and its a hammer long range! The 6.8 Western is the best round in a short action that hits numbers close to these magnums but not. AMAZING ROUND and the 6.8 Western will most definitely be my next rifle I am building

[@kevinbouldin3107]

​@Mike Tyson shot my 6.8 at a mule deer this year and dropped it in his tracks at 323yds...my buddy was laughing thinking I missed cause he was a hater of the cartridge til we walked up and saw the damage that western did...he bought one later on lol

[@chrisclayton4425]

I've spent the last year building what I thought was the perfect AR chambered in 6.5 grendel. Now I don't think so anymore. Dang I guess I found this year's project lol.

[@mikemelina7395]

Bill Alexander pretty much hit it over the fence with the 6.5 Grendel, but dropped the ball with SAMI and proprietary patents etc. Ever since, people have been trying to catch lightning in a bottle with cartridges like the .224 Valk 6mmARC and everything else. I may be wrong, but the 6.5Gren beats them all out to 1,000yds and the 6ARC eventually catches up around 1,100yds. I don't know anyone who's ever taken that long a shot, but on retained energy and BC, the 6.5 Grendel beats all the other boutique AR mag-length cartridges. It baffles me why manufacturers don't work up more offerings for it. Using Ron's list, Bill Alexander checked all these boxes 20 years ago, with a cartridge that can stabilize everything from 80 grains up to 129-130 grains and do it out of a 2.26" cartridge and do it with more power.

[@crashdsnowman1]

Bill A just copied Arne and his 6.5 CSS.

[@mikemelina7395]

Weren't they working together?@@crashdsnowman1 I distinctly remember Arne's name thrown out there in the development, and wasn't the base cartridge the 6PPC?

[@crashdsnowman1]

@@mikemelina7395Yes, Arne used the 6PPC case, blew out some taper and necked it up years before Bill A started working on the Grendel. Woody at Lothar Walther introduced them when Bill A started asking questions. Arne gave Bill all the info and they started working together but then Bill Trademarked the name and shut Arne off. Same as every other cartridge, someone designs the cartridge and does all the work then someone else steals the design and gets all the credit.

[@Farmer_1776]

Thanks Ron for the skinny. The 24-26 caliber bullets give so much bang for the efficiency

[@mrshort2379]

personally I love the Data and all of the reviews I have heard on the 6ARC. I can't wait to build my first AR-15 in 6ARC. thank you for the content and education on the 6ARC. Now if they could just figure out how to get a 5.56/223 to perform like a 6ARC we would have it made

[@hobbyoftheday4017]

This cartridge sounds like a great cartridge to hunt coyotes and deer. I've always wondered why so many people hunt deer with a 300 wm or 7mm mag here in the woods of va, I've never shot a deer past 75 yards. Few people talk about meat loss, I've seen more than a few front shoulders blow to bits by magnum calibers. It's great to see the trend toward efficient calibers and shot placement

[@davidmartin7479]

Great point. Many folks today use much larger than needed calibers to go deer hunting. Being told they need them when in fact shot placement is what is really critical. Not caliber.

[@Bagginsess]

I think the military should have gone with this over 6.8mm Sig

[@Gieszkanne]

The 6.8 Sig is to defeat modern body armor. 6mm ARC cant do that.

[@Bagginsess]

@@Gieszkanne I know but the Russians and Chinese cannot logistically supply their troops with body armor so what's the point? Plus even if they had good armor, if you get shot in the thighs or the face you're a goner but also getting hit in the arms and legs would take you out of the fight or at least make you ineffective. Logistically speaking I think having more bullets is also an important factor.

[@Gieszkanne]

@@Bagginsess Do you really think US troops will ever fight against Russian or Chinese? They both outnumber US by far. The era of big troops fighting each other is over. War is stupid anyhow. But for the AR15 I also think the 6mm ARC is the most ideal cartridge.

[@Bagginsess]

@@Gieszkanne war always finds a way to happen. I don't think it'll happen anytime soon but decades from now there will be ground conflict between all the super powers. Japan and China will have yet another war, India and Pakistan probably, Turkey and maybe Iran or the Arabs, Russia and someone, and America will probably fight China over Australia and New Zealand or maybe even Hawaii if China is feeling stupid enough. I also see countries building giant bunker cities to deal with nukes like medieval folks built castles and walls to deal with horses of raiders, eventually culminating in star fort cities once Europe industrialized.

[@justin_ogre]

​@Gieszkanne Ideal cartridge for an accurate bullpup. Compact enough for cqb without sacrificing range. Just gotta work on trigger and barrel.

[@RosyPosy4842]

I'm definitely investing in this round. Ammo, rifle, dies and components. Very exciting. HOWEVER I can definitely see this cartridge join the race to obsolescence, IF we don't see more ammo and brass options.

[@SDMacMan]

After a lot of hype, Hornady really dropped the ball on this round when it came to producing ammo and brass for reloaders.

[@ericshipp51]

They didn’t drop the ball. There was/is an ammo shortage that cut the achillies off the round at an early stage. Blame COVID and Brandon

[@Nick-sx6jm]

It was in stock yesterday at midway. Loaded ammo, dies, brass, etc. More manufacturers need to start making barrels and complete guns in it though.

[@SDMacMan]

@@ericshipp51 Well to this day it is still impossible to find brass. Kind of hard to keep blaming covid when there's plenty of brass available for other rounds. I think they gave up on it after the DOD didn't pick it up. Sour grapes.

[@SDMacMan]

@@Nick-sx6jm Really? Brass? Well its gone now.

[@Nick-sx6jm]

@@SDMacMan Maybe I was lucky. I was looking at it the other day to see if any new barrels or uppers came out and they had 2 of the 3 factory loads and brass. Most manufacturers are focusing on the most popular stuff right now because they can sell an unlimited amount of it.

[@luvtahandload7692]

Good information on the flavor of the month. You should get "Ron Spomer Outdoors" routered into the front face of your, ahem, cartridge board. 😁 Thanks, Ron!

[@jasonhammonds2351]

Not sure if it's SAAMI spec yet but my 6x47 Lapua is phenomenal the gun truly outshoots me

[@rustynut1967]

I've been helping my friend put together a lightly used barreled action 6x47L ( that I talked him into buying ) and took it to the range yesterday for the first time. The worst groups were .4" and the best .241" and .290" during our load development. This was with relatively cheap Hornady 105gr BTHP bullets going between 2915 and 3039 fps with different charge weights. He's extremely happy to say the least. 😉

[@JamesCopeland-i1j]

Can't wait to see your review of 338 ARC, Ron.

[@jeff0nyschuk670]

I have a 6mm Rem,,,It's getting very hard to get shells for,,I've had it since 1976,,It's aMod,,,M55 Tikka,,I've got about 12 boxes of Hornady Super Performance 95gr, red tips,,and shoot very good 👍,

[@tbjtbj4786]

I found 2 boxes of corlock the other day bought both. My rifle really like the 80gr federal loads but I think they discounted them. I have to feed my rifle my wife's rife and the grandson rife. All 6mm remington.

[@jeff0nyschuk670]

Yah,,I used my 6mm rem, on ground hogs back the old days,,No ground hogs around anymore,,So now I use it for coyotes,,With those 95gr Super Performance Hornadys,,They are boasts up from Hornady,,Because, they perform like a 308,,But,,I've got 15 boxes of them 🙄

[@jeff0nyschuk670]

I don't know who decides on what caliber to drop and which to keep,,they don't think before do,,,I have a Remington 722,,it used to be a 222rem,mag,But rechambered it to a 223rem,still shoots very well, The US Army chose the 223 over the 222 years ago,,& the 222rem mag, had 75 yds,more hitting power,,same as the 6mm Rem, got more than the 243,but the Americans decided 243🤪🤣😁🤪

[@WHOTEEWHO]

thanks for the video

[@chrissidwell9455]

If you're not shooting past 300 yards, why not go with the 6.5 Grendel ? More energy inside of 400 yards with a heavier bullet and basically the same wind drift and trajectory. I recently bought a Grendel upper for my AR-15 after comparing the two. I saw more of an advantage in the 6.5 Grendel over the 6 ARC at the shorter ranges you would use an AR-15 for. At longer ranges maybe, but then your power factor drops enough you need to use a bigger cartridge anyway. I don't get it.

[@molonlabe6352]

6 ARC is where it's at!

[@DanielBoone337]

I built a 6ARC AR15 with a 20 inch Proof Research match barrel and it's a phenomenal cartridge. I haven't hunted with it because I like the Grendel more but if you're wanting to shoot an AR15 to a 1000 yards with insane accuracy that's the cartridge you want... It would make a great pronghorn or white tail cartridge as well especially since you can build a sweet little lightweight bolt gun chambered in it I'm not 100% sure but I think you can already buy a Howa Mini action rifle chambered in 6ARC if not it would be an easy barrel swap from the 6.5 Grendel version they offer...

[@patrickkohls2721]

I am with yea....I like the Grendel over the 6 arc....

[@djl5634]

I prefer grendel. And Hornady is anti freedom.

[@djl5634]

I prefer grendel. And Hornady is anti freedom.

[@donspears6557]

Excellent barrel life

[@jcows12]

6.5 grendel is extremely simular in performance shooting 123gn 300yrds and in. Maybe you should revisit the grendel?

[@mattcomchoc2957]

i'm with you that i can't see any reason to invest in this cartridge when the grendel is so similar and established and more widely available. i think the difference is that Ron hasn't said anything negative about the Grendel, at least that i've ever seen

[@jjw5165]

Same case faster bullet with better BC for long ranges

[@EssPhour]

400 yards and in I see no reason to choose ARC over Grendel, if you are interested is stretching out the range to 500-1000yrds, then the ARC could be justified, its really just a more efficient bullet, but because the ARC is a lighter bullet you don't see the advantages until the longer ranges.

[@haneshuntspnw7283]

You spelled similar wrong

[@paulj4149]

I've loaded the 6mm arc down to 58 grain bullets. I originally wanted a 6.5. I think you have more bullet range with the 6mm IMO

[@twissted1277]

I have this 6 arc in bolt action and semi auto. Looking forward to the .22 arc. Thanks for your hard work over the years.

[@michaelcervantez3570]

I have a 6 ARC. I was seriously thinking about getting a 22 ARC until I saw the price of the ammo. For the same bullet, ELD VT, the 22 was three dollars more, WTF! Unless Hornady lowers the price of the 22 ARC, I will stick with my 6 ARC. I want to shoot the 22, but only if it's cheaper.

[@brentbarnes1865]

This looks a lot like a 6ppc. Good Review and lots of info. I can see the practicality in that it can be used in an AR platform. Hornady has been very good at marketing new cartridges.. Personally, if I were dead set on using a very heavy for caliber bullet such as the 108 or 115, Id buy a 6mm barrel blank with an 8 twist, chamber it in .243 and throat it deep enough to accept the long bullets. Most rifles chambered in .243 have lots of room in the mag box.. But Hornady would miss out on the profits if it wasnt new and improved.

[@jfess1911]

It is very closely related to the 6mm PPC, as is the 6.5 Grendel. They are the pretty much the same case with the the shoulder moved foreword to increase powder capacity. Compared to the 6mm PPC, the shoulder of the ARC is 0.0459" farther foreword. The overall length is based on what will fit in an AR15 magazine. The 6mmAR and .243 LBC are a decade older, but based on the Grendel case which has the shoulder pushed a little farther foreword ( 0.030" farther).

[@charlessmith4242]

* I'd do the same only with a Ackley Improved 6 mm Rem barrel.

[@PineyJustice]

6 ARC 6.5 grendel and the one that hasn't gotten much attention, 224 grendel. All fantastic options.

[@Threegunmaster]

The only downside to the 6.5 grendel is that Hornady didn't come up with it. Everything they touch turns to gold, so I expect the 6mm ARC to go far

[@Nick-sx6jm]

I just dont like the grendel because its so slow and the bullets are more expensive. Something like the ARC is great because you can get cheap bullets and send the light ones 3500+ fps and heavy ones around 2800. Perfect blend of speed and weight in an AR or ultralite bolt gun.

[@Threegunmaster]

@@Nick-sx6jm my 90 grain speer tnt do just fine. And I find the bullets to be same cost.

[@georgewhitworth9742]

@Gys Seacord Cool, no one asked

[@johnmccarthy6999]

The bolt action 243 Win 1:10 does just fine out to 300 yards with a 108 grain Berger fueled by Retumbo at between 2950 - 3050 fps. The Arc's niche is the AR platform, a few grains less charge, and about 1.5 lbs recoil.

[@MrTacklebury]

6mm arc is just a 6.5 grendel necked down to 6mm. I shoot and load the grendel and I prefer the thump with the 130gr. High bc bullets in the Grendel.

[@hmmm2183]

6mm is just the latest thing to sell more guns and ammo... I would like to see the KZbin industry marketers compare a 100 gr 6.5 Grendel with the 108 gr 6 ARC... All they seem to do is compare the 123 gr 6.5 Grendel with the 108 gr 6 ARC... Surprise, Surprise the lighter 6 ARC is faster.... So it must be better, right... What's the delta? Is it really all that and a bag of chips?

[@DrewEdwardBacklas]

Hmmm Though it’s true the grendel can push similar weighted bullets at similar velocity to the arc, a 100gn 6.5 bullet has nowhere near the BC that a 103-108 6mm bullet does. Both pushed at around 2700 with some pretty warm handloads will do the job out to 250 yards or so but the arc really starts to show advantage at longer range with the BC. I believe it to be sufficient for deer/pronghorn to 400+yards. Grendel shines with a ~120gn projectile on the same game animals out to about 300 but your going to have a tough time topping 2450fps. I own a grendel and don’t plan to switch to the arc any time soon because it suits my need for the ranges I use the rifle at. But when I compare them objectively I do think the 6arc is the superior cartridge in an ar15.

[@hmmm2183]

@@DrewEdwardBacklas True enough because I’ve made the same arguments against the 308 vs the Grendel… And to more effect the Creadmoor … But neither will best the 308 / 5.56 because of government contracts… So while the ARC may have wind / speed advantage because of BC… Is it enough to split the small action market again? Remember both the Grendel and the ARC have same AR bolt issues that the long distance snobs use, when they say “They won’t trust the Grendel’s bolt face, When they tip up the pounder can …”. Is there really enough delta to matter? As you said the Grendel does what you need for the type shots your taking…. My question is still, in a world with 100’s of millions of rifle cartridges no one remembers, why?

[@Motorrad127]

​@hmmm2183 what I've gathered: it's another step up. More stable, faster, shoots better, and stays supersonic longer to avoid turbulence. It's better. All while staying in a small light platform. Every few years cars have small performance gains from tweaks. No different.

[@andyherzfeld9492]

I have one of these little guys as well as a 243, a 240 Weatherby and a 6.5 CM. The 6MM ARC is very easy to shoot well. I haven't taken game with it yet but the 243 and the 240 I have and it was a DRT shot everytime. The 6.5 I got mainly for long range competiton and it is fun to shoot as well.

[@untermench3502]

I was in Wally World yesterday and the rifle racks were full but they only had 3 boxes of ammunition for everything. Why buy a new gun when there is little ammunition available and the prices are way too high?

[@ehormann238]

Because we reload and want a particular advantage/ benefit. I don’t have an arc but o shoot 6gt and there’s almost no ammo available period.

[@untermench3502]

@@ehormann238 I like the old standards such as 30-06 or 308, and with tuned loads, they can shoot better than I can hold. I've been reloading since 1966 and am a former NRA Rifle Marksmanship instructor. I've tried many a cartridge in my day and have not found one that gives me a magic bullet. Suit yourself, but I've come to the conclusion that most of what you see and read is just marketing hype for rubes that are just looking for a bigger johnson.

[@christopherried6237]

@@untermench3502 Bragging while making fun of others who brag to see who has the bigger Johnson.

[@boingkster]

@@untermench3502 bingo. When a plain-Jane Ruger American will shoot 5 rounds into a 4" group at 200 meters in 15 seconds with PPU 150Ggn SP's... what's the need for 'more'? A good hold from a basic bag rest is all that's required with most modern rifles and factory ammo out to 400m and beyond.

[@ehormann238]

@@untermench3502 I spent 5 years as a fleet DM carrying both a m4 and an m110. I’ve shot my fair share of m118 with good effect. But my 6.5 creed and 6gt recoil substantially less. Shoot flatter and handle wind better including maintain supersonic further. In competition those are benefits I NEED. Hunting my 300prc is easier to load 175-220gr to a mag feedable oal and shoot more consistently plus I have no problem finding components for any of these. Sure I have to load but I like to load and I prefer to have more consistent ammo that I get from a box. Sure 30-06 or 308 are “good enough” and “that’s what we have always done.” But that’s the same thing your grandparents said when they started rolling out automobiles. That’s the same thing the marine corps said when we switched to using optics on every service rifle. And that’s the same thing people said when we stopped treating people with heroin, cocaine and meth in the medical field on a regular basis. But the fact of the matter is these fancy cartridges are better. You can’t defy physics. A 220gr bullet at a particular velocity does not care what cartridge it comes out of as long as it’s assembled with attention to detail. But these new cartridges are easier to load, offer specific advantages that shooters are looking for, and are going to take up a piece of the action. I should add that these shorter cartridges do offer one advantage that you can’t really argue and that is that a shorter/ stouter powder column burns more consistently and will reduce your velocity ES and SD resulting in better group consistency at nearly any distance. I LOVE my 1903 and my LRB medium match NM m14. But I don’t take those to a prs match and I don’t try and shoot them to 1000 and beyond.

[@russellslagle6573]

I love my cmmg 6arc it's a awesome set up for the AR platform,great accuracy,great close range power, suppressive fire is nuts at long range also,it beats the hell out of carrying a heavy AR 10.and I can carry more ammo,the round shits on the 5.56 or the 7.62x39,close range and long range,might would consider the 22arc,but trying to get away from the 22s if possible.but in today's world I would not be surprised that the 6 arc doesn't take off,look how long we were stuck with the 5.56,yes I have one finally because there's so many out there you got to have one but it doesn't mean I think it's the best by a very long shot,but the 6arc on the other hand is another story all together.

[@MinecraftMasterNo1]

Any discussion about 6 arc without paying homage to the 6.5 grendel feels incomplete. There isn't much 6 arc can do that 6.5 grendel can't. 6 arc was made from a grendel case necked down.

[@jonsevier6087]

Right? I watched the entire video hoping for some kind of comparison to the Grendel.... crickets. Respect to Mr. Spomer for putting the numbers together here, but leaving the 6.5 Grendel out of the mix almost seems intentional. Especially since he did a fairly detailed video on the Grendel just 8 months ago.

[@jfess1911]

The shoulder on the ARC is pushed back slightly (0.03") vs the Grendel, but yes, it is definitely in the same family. The 6mmAR and 243 LBC just use a necked down Grendel case and have been around longer.

[@Hunting4knowledge]

Being a younger guy I don't really have any nostalgia for older cartridges. Efficiency, practicality and availability are my main motivators. So for my firearms I tend to stick to your 9mm, .223, .308. The 6mm arc really interests me as I see it as a culmination of what we've learned and perfected over the past 50 years.

[@boredboiseboy]

.308 is infact an old cartridge😉

[@smallborewhore3074]

9mm is a super old cartridge😉

[@VincitOmniaVeritas7]

Hey, Ron. Something weird happened to your microphone in this episode: there are echoes like it was recorded in a bathroom. Try moving your microphones away from any walls. Cheers.

[@davidbrock1565]

Although this cartridge does not intrigue me, very good discussion and retraction on your initial impression of 6arc. Enjoy your podcast!!

[@leewithey2014]

Fantastic!!! 🐕

[@SugarFreeTargets]

Coolest thing about the 6ARC is the ability to easily convert any AR15 into shooting that cartridge. The only downside is the price! I was curious how expensive they were at my local Scheels and it was almost $2 a round!

[@djl5634]

Get a 6.5 grendel. Wolf steel is cheap. Was 5$a box pre pandemic. And ppu and wolf made sp brass hunting ammo for 12$ a box. Wolf steel cased is selling for 12$ right now on ammo seek

[@EarlScyoc-km2qs]

Thanks Ron for the information on the. 6mm arc looking for a all purpose rifle for woodchuck to deer and I believe u helped me decide. Thanks again

[@danielcurtis1434]

Sorry Ron your incorrect. The first 6mm in the US was the 6mm Lee Navy in the 1890s. It fired a 130 grain round nosed bullet at 2,500 feet per second or so. This was the fastest military cartridge of its day. It was also the smallest bore and was used with some success. So once again no the .243 wasn’t the first. First relevant cartridge certainly. I’m glad to you’ve responded to all my small petty corrections. They are petty but when your an authority or attempting to be one you need to accountable. Take care

[@johncox2865]

Thbbt ! That’s pretty lame. Bet you wish you knew half of what Spomer has learned a out firearms in the last two weeks. Sit at the master’s feet, son.

[@milserpentine]

@@johncox2865 You’re triggered because the dude made a simple correct to Ron’s assertion? I couldn’t imagine being so fragile in this day and age where anything goes

[@johncox2865]

@@milserpentine His correction is totally irrelevant to the subject at hand. Furthermore, he would present himself as being more knowledgeable than Spomer. Dammed right, that triggers me.

[@milserpentine]

@@johncox2865 This has got to be satire. Just reading it out loud makes it sound like you are trolling

[@johncox2865]

@@milserpentine Sheesh. John Browning himself couldn’t satisfy some of you nitpickers. Just my opinion. If you don’t like it, put it where the sun don’t shine.

[@oif3vetk9]

While I haven't used mine for hunting I do use it for PRS matches. I got into PRS two years ago and started out using a M1A. (Hey, it's all I had that came close enough in precision to compete. lol) While I love the M1A/.308 I knew if I wanted to go further I had to change. Wanting to stay in gas gun division I started kicking around the idea of a 6.5 creed AR but then I came across 6 ARC. (This was mid fall 2020) Did what research I could and decided to go with 6 ARC instead. It has been one of the best decisions I've made going off what little info was available at the time. I ended up going with a aero precision 24" heavy barrel upper and with factory 108gr eld-match ammo it shoots (consistently) 3/4 MOA. I then started handloading for it. I played with a couple powders via hornady book specs, wasn't real happy. While I could get good velocity/groups out of leverevolution it isn't very temp stable so the search continued. I eventually went off books and developed my own loads using VV N150/berger 105 hybrid target bullets. Velocity is ok (load node came in at 2624 fps) but my sd/es are crazy low for gas gun and it's extremely temp stable and, if I do my part, will hold 1/2 MOA consistently. And kinetic energy downrange? Yep, absolutely no problem telling when I hit the steel. I do have plans to build a bolt gun in this cartridge. (For hunting purposes) Will I give up my M1A/.308? Nope. I dearly love that rifle but for competition purposes I'll absolutely stick with 6 ARC. In a gas gun I just don't see how it gets much better than this cartridge.

[@iBleedStarsAndBars]

I love the 6.5 Grendel and thats why I've stayed away from the ARC

[@Freedomishere-im6ug]

I agree but look at both arc and Grendel Is really a 6 ppc Got multi Grendel and never look back

[@ridgeblackburn590]

If it’s an AR platform it’s just a barrel change. I love both 6 ARC and 6.5 Grendel.

[@tompanek7511]

Both are excellent

[@Kycirion]

Besides the heavier bullet weights, this cartridge was specifically designed for the AR15 platform. All the other 6mm/.243 are long action and require bolt action or AR10 sized rifles.

[@marcosmota1094]

*.280 Bristish* would have cut 70 years of needless 'development,' just saying.

[@vikingsoftpaw]

This ^. Strange whow younger generations rediscover sage knowledge. The Brits were on to something with their .280.

[@funkla65]

Yeah, I believe the Mausers which so impressed us in Cuba were 7mm. If we would've gone 7mm (or 6.5) after the Krag, we probably would've skipped the wild 7.62/5.56 swing.

[@jasonbroom7147]

Elmer Keith is spinning in his grave! This all started back when the PPC line of cartridges came out and began the process of redefining accuracy and efficiency, in both case design and bullet design. Further developments, like the 6.5 Grendel and now this 6mm ARC, are changing the way we look at how effective a small cartridge can be for hunting at reasonable ranges. Those of us with 35 Remington rifles and 6.5 TC/U barrels in our gun safes are just grinning and watching the masses discover this "new" concept. :)

[@don_sharon]

I feel vindicated. You and I had a short discussion on velocity where I argued I am happy to give up velocity in favor of more consistent accuracy. I think we were talking about 6mm or 6.5mm bullets. I see no reason to push a round out at >2900 fps when ~2600 fps gets the job done with potentially better accuracy. I don't care that my slower bullet has more drop out to 300 yards as long as I can consistently hit what I am aiming at (staying within your 6in target for example). Flat shooting is not all what it's cracked up to be with the cost of barrels and powder. Maybe ARC stands for exactly that - increased amplification of bullet trajectory? Thanks for opening your thought process and coming to the dark side... 😁

[@boingkster]

Its a 308 / 7.62x51, scaled down to 6mm size. Similar velocities, similar trajectories, plenty of energy for most game you'll encounter and a good all-round catridge when loaded up or down. I reckon a 22" barrelled Ruger American in this would be a really nice budget performer.

[@WayStedYou]

@@boingkster a 243 is a 308 scaled down to 6mm.

[@boingkster]

@@WayStedYou there's a big difference between "necked down" and "scaled down", ie a 17 Remington is a necked down 223 but a 17 hornet looks very much like a scaled down 223.

[@jonathanhoup9988]

Wow. I don’t even hunt or anything. But 10/10 would hang with you Ron. You seem to have really good entertaining food for thought!

[@1o1carolina53]

6 MM money market- ING

[@charleshaynes815]

I rebarreled a Ruger American from 6.5 Grendel to 6 ARC. Bartlein barrel and restocked. It is shooting fantastic

[@mr.mr.3301]

Audio is poor.