Basics of "Tactical" Hydration (IcePlate, MSR, Camelbak, Source)

[@lancet.346]

If you've *never* fallen asleep with your woobie, go ahead and grab a compass, shoot an azimuth, and fuck directly off in that direction.

[@combatjm89]

Sorry, never fell asleep with a woobie. I have fallen asleep with a poncho liner though...

[@friendofcoal]

I fell asleep, while driving a M-557 down the Autobahn during Reforger 84. The Lt dozed off up in the TC hatch before I did. When I awoke, the track had drifted right and the left track was almost off the road surface and onto the emergency siding lane. I immediately pulled back hard on the left lateral. The track jerked around a bit, but got back onto the road pretty quickly. By the time the Lt woke and looked up, it appeared as nothing happened, The Lt asked me what was going on, and I told him that I was about to fall asleep, so I jerked the track around to keep myself awake. He never knew any different,

[@friendofcoal]

The old poncho liners aka-woobie blankets made good warm liners in the old sleeping bags. I slept with one many a nights in W. Germany back in the day.

[@aether5213]

Astronomers and physicists are the exceptions

[@viceisrael5543]

Sleep with mine daily

[@tobiasmeyer2434]

Love your logic dude: "You don't look cool if you are dead, and dehydration leads to dead... so... hydration is cool" Can't argue with that!

[@funshootin1]

alcohol is less dense than water. . weight savings means you can carry that one more mag.. just a thought

[@caseybrown5183]

I don't always pee, but when I do, I pee clear. Stay hydrated my friends.

[@AthleticBacon]

Casey Brown liar. Hydrated people pee a lot

[@LycanthropiesSpell]

Correction : hydrated desk-jockeys pee a lot...

[@vulgardisplayoftruth2060]

Casey Brown, I piss booze. Is that wrong?

[@mahbuddykeith1124]

@@AthleticBacon Well, they're not lying because would you be urinating 24/7?

[@Jaskab0b]

@Pvt Reefer That is correct.

[@DaMuses]

Just FYI... the Camelbak U.S.M.C. bags come with bite valve covers and insulated water lines. They rock. Thanks again for this video. You, GT, provided a very good variety of water options.

[@WADEDESTROYS]

Yea they are awesome

[@BlackoutPatriot]

​@@WADEDESTROYSI'm sure he is aware of this since he was ex military

[@IrishPennant0311]

I missed the entire video because I spaced out after you mentioned crayons.

[@banshee107]

lol

[@leoleonaids3684]

Lol gotta be a MARINE!!!

[@My_Alchemical_Romance]

KnifeHand03 Semper Fi. ;) Lol

[@dcentral]

Source Hydration was the first and still is the best thought out hydration bladder. The wide mouth is super useful for fast refill, dumping ice and most important the cleaning part. The bite valves are most leak proof, durable and ergonomic too. And unlike many bladders, Source uses stink proof material for their bladders.

[@m16owner]

lil tip to avoid having water really heat up in the tube, blow in the bite valve when you're done drinking so the water rushes back in the bag and stay cool

[@oomerimunni]

"Unless if you are a psychopath" Kind of a weird thing to say for a guy that acted in "American psycho"

[@bloodwolf2427]

He does look like Christian Bale

[@wyattperp3455]

Haha

[@mandalor6708]

When are you going to drop your "best flannel shirt" knowledge?

[@JulianPard]

Mand'alor one of the brand he wears are arizona Jean co. I have it :)

[@ShaDOWDoG667]

Mand'alor Varuteleka sells the best flannel shirts.

[@Dregkar]

Legendary Whitetails is some good shit too

[@604cpr]

He plugs Vertx flannel pretty often..

[@50StichesSteel]

You air force guys have alot of freezers in country then huh? Right next to the tennis court Im guessing?

[@VictoryOrValhalla14]

50 Stitches Steel got to have a cold drink with their lobster and ice cream.

[@50StichesSteel]

WickedSensation heheh

[@charlesbreen4252]

don't be a hater going tdy and staying in hotels is tuff duty.

[@50StichesSteel]

Charles Breen Yeah I couldnt imagine having to go through that lol

[@charlesbreen4252]

Its all good my brother! respect to all that have served.

[@kamferjau]

I tactically ducttape a 12-pack of coke cans to my chestrig, I stuff the remaining in my magcarriers

[@rasalghul7511]

Elgo Redbull and moster goes in grenade pouches. that was our S.O.P

[@343guiltyreflex]

Where does the Skoal go?

[@tristiandasher973]

You shove it in between your plate and body.

[@dusbus2384]

@@343guiltyreflex in the trash. But the Copenhagen goes tactically in between your cheek and gum

[@robg8433]

And where's the whiskey go? Under the armour of course!

[@sethp5876]

Daddy Garand hydrating my face with his warm knowledge yet again

[@davidsports2214]

I'm a Marine, and by far, you have the best Leatherneck Jokes I've ever heard. Even better than our own. I don't know why, but I laugh my ass off every time you rag on us. Keep up the great work brother, and fantastic Navy jokes! Glad to have warriors like you in the club!!

[@parusol235]

I thought Marines melted down bulk Crayola brand Crayons and mixed them with flake propellant from 40 Mike rounds to drink from a decrepit Camelbak that has been used for 8 years in service with 12 different dudes in Afghanistan and Iraq.

[@Gravedanger321]

ChittinBricks Just the really moto ones. The rest of them drink blood and eat eyeballs for that good ol' hydration.

[@grenmoyo3968]

ChittinBricks houch-rah

[@parusol235]

Siphon76 Well, from what I've heard from Deviled Eggs stationed in 58 Palm Trees, Molten Crayons are the number one energy supplement for MARSOC CSOs, Force Reconnaissance Companies, and Battalion Reconnaissancemen, the Crayons supposedly give supernatural abilities to Marines such as enhanced reflexes and actual Leather forming around their necks, Chesty Puller supposedly was one of the first Marines to advocate the issuing of Crayons during the Pacific Theater of WWII, same reason why Canadians from CANSOFCOM inject liquidated Maple Leaves into their bodies in honor of the 1st SSF, known as the Devil's Brigade. I know this from a friend who heard from his friend who heard from his cousin who heard from his uncle who heard from his grandfather.

[@CelticAssassin]

+ChittinBricks Stop giving away our trade secrets!

[@humanerror8787]

Marines can color?

[@Duke_1776]

As a marine I love how you always make fun of us keep the vids coming. They are the only think I look forward to watching when I eat Crayons

[@paulgrulke3884]

Can we get ourselves a "what flannel to buy/wear" video

[@snarf9455]

Paul Grulke I guess Fjällräven is a solid option

[@tylerfj24]

If I could like twice I would.

[@tanakattack5965]

"You don't look cool when you're dead". Lesson #1 for every aspiring tactical ninja.

[@myrthmaker]

I'm a huge fan of and own several different models of tactical Camelbaks. Different sizes depending if I am going out for an extended amount of time or just standing a sentry watch. All of Camelbak's tactical bladders have neoprene tube covers and bite valve covers. You are also able to get universal fill attachments that allow you to fill the bladder without removing the pack or carrier. One thing I have found when filling them, and this will work with all similar systems: fill the bladder first then pack what you need. The bladder will compress as you drink from it. When you refill the bladder using a fill attachment it will fill up without any problems. I won't be getting rid of my packs anytime soon but the next time I replace a bladder I will definitely look into seeing if MSR has one to fit. Thanks, and Great Videos.

[@CarlosWilkie]

8:46 - I have the MIL spec crux version of this and have had no issues with it. The insulated tube is good and the bite valve is awesome too. Has a great cap. RF Welded bladder and quicklink system. These things are good :)

[@scottsaylors1996]

This is easily top 3 best channels on KZbin

[@bp6877]

A soldier introduced me to water bladders; such a great idea! I purchased four Camelbacks, but in the future wouldn't, for the following reasons: 1. They don't come with a water cut-off valve; you have to buy it separately, and if you don't, look forward to high likelihood of your water leaking out the end of the tubing; 2. the reservoir "cap" often doesn't close effectively, and so if your pack is titled ever so slightly, you lose ALL your water from the bladder! This has happened often enough, I can't consider it an outlier! It's a life threatening defect! To mitigate, make sure bladder is well secured in pack, so remains as straight as possible, running hose through top vent. Another KZbin channel recommends using Vaseline to create a better seal; this sounds like a great idea; I've not tried it yet. The other options that Garand presented don't seem to have the cap that Camelback does, and that's a good thing. You will pay more for these solutions, however, but note that even Camelbak isn't inexpensive, and so for a few dollars more, you'd get a product that's less likely to leak out the vital water you need to stay alive!

[@1-501Infantry]

A lot of of surplus stores sell them with a valve

[@liam9431]

We're still waiting for you to do some rifle drills in a batman suit

[@MichaelLeopold1]

A fan of Source bags. Never knew about the refill adapter! That’s awesome.

[@BringerOfD]

I definitely second the Source packs. I'm running their 1 litre pack in a side mounted pouch. works great with a pack on. I bought a few of them so when i run out in one i just quickly swap in another. That QD tube is just about the best feature. as for people who don't like the "not bite valve" they sell a bite valve you can easily change.

[@gundamentalslizpopelar5634]

No military experience like you guys, but 50ish mom who loves your sense of humor. Thanks for your informative videos.

[@BangSwitchActuator]

Honestly, I have tons of camelbaks, I've used a Source that was issued for years (and now my current unit uses them), but the canteen is the best source for water. I carry two canteens on a war belt and it is great because I can actually chug water when I need/want to.

[@andrewbarajas4420]

For some reason I just hate using the canteens, idk why but the camelback just works for me

[@VCADD]

Don't listen to him.Blood will keep you hydrated just fine.

[@Honezjr]

VCADD OORAH!

[@brianboudreaux6747]

Hope your enemy isnt full of bad shit.

[@bobsaggot1316]

brian boudreaux that’s what the vaccines are for.

[@vercingetorix5708]

Well it is what makes the green grass grow.

[@squishy2229]

Mm, goat blood.

[@rasalghul7511]

at 2:50 "its going to keep you super cool , and well ah, being cool matters" love this humor!

[@codyjames1952]

Thank you for the info it all helps . now i live in Arizona in the 1990's now for Hydration for Hiking i carry one USGI canteen one quart & one British Pattern 1958 one liter canteen and two tow liter freere pop in my Backpack. it work very good for Hiking and Backpacking in Arizona and Texas and Michigan .

[@604cpr]

Geigerrig/Aquamira is my favourite pack so far, pressurized so you don't have to suck it out of the hydration tube. This also makes it easy to use for cleaning dirt off of stuff, or sharing water/filling a bottle for someone else. Comes in many variations and sizes, tough, never had leaking issue in the several years I've used mine.

[@Artorias001]

I use the older version of the Aquamira 1600 tactical and love it but I upgraded the hose to an insulated one. I'd love to swap out the belt for something thicker though.

[@CaptainNato]

Just purchased due to this comment

[@BlackStarMulti]

​@@CaptainNato so how is it?

[@CaptainNato]

@@BlackStarMulti I advise it. huge fan

[@tfr6]

I actually do private military security for a living in the desert mostly and the Iceplate is my favorite. I bought 12 of them. 2 for each of my loadouts.

[@dansgone2229]

Canteens rule : 1. They are cheaper. 2. They are easier to clean 3. They are easier to fill. 4. You can use them to purify water. 5. You can toss one to a buddy who needs water. 6. You can use it to flush wounds. 7. You can give an empty to a buddy who is going to fill canteens for the squad. 8. Less parts susceptible to break down.

[@SpectreDM]

All of this tactical gear stuff is great and all, but what are the basics of flannel shirts? Tactically non-tactical cool shirts for reconnoitering more than their moms' fridges are needed by airsofters everywhere, and you have just the platform to help them.

[@BCmachine]

"I drink the blood of my enemies, do I have to hydrate" lmao

[@benjibou746]

He’s addressed this

[@BassStoke]

The MSR drom is bomb-proof. The cactus of the NM desert would claim bladders quite frequently while backpack hunting mulies, elk, ibex etc. I only stopped having dehydration fear after the MSR was the only one to make it through years of abuse.

[@johnsarangel]

the "cover" for the tube or "hose" of hydration bladders is made of neoprene. it's not just for "camouflage" or prevents "heating up" if exposed under the sun, it also prevents the water in the tube from turning into ice in freezing weather.

[@aenima2288]

DADDY!!!! stop ignoring the child support notices!!!

[@sherweezy408]

"its gonna keep you super cool, and being cool matters" Lmao

[@oscarwestfelt9561]

In sweden we have a company called snigeldesign, that is one of the main provider of tactical equipment for the military and police, they have designed a dump pouch that has velcrotabs at the bottom which allows you to attach it to the back of a plate carrier and has a zipper closure at the top, which makes it a great hydration pouch even when you are carrying a backpack.

[@klobbson]

Was curious about the IcePlate for keeping warm fluid on your body, good input. Could be real good for hypothermia prevention in trauma situations, especially in cold weather in addition to readyheat blankets. Greetings from a Ranger Medic in training at the Swedish Army Ranger Battalion, by the way. Your videos have helped me piece together my kit better since my selection phase/basic Ranger training is over.

[@andrewrowley5118]

Klobbson, you're spot on man. In the situation where you don't have a ready heat or something along those lines the IcePlate is an excellent option. Even with the ready heat, the IcePlate would be great to gain better coverage. Obviously that being said it does have to have warm/hot water in it to actually exchange heat. The IcePlate would do fantastic with a blizzard blanket, HPMK, helios etc. If you wrap the patient, and then place a hot water filled IcePlate on their core, you would get both the conductive and convective benefit to the patient. In the setting where you don't have a blizzard blanket or other wrap, you can keep their vest on them and slide the plate between the vest and their shirt to at least lessen or pause the effects of hypothermia. The other benefit with this device, as that as it transfers energy (heat) to the patient, the contact with the patient will allow the plate to stay warm longer and then theoretically not drop below the temperature of their skin. While you will certainly be reassessing the patient, for a period of time this is a fire and forget form of active and/or passive warming (depending on who you talk to) with the warm water fill. If the patient is able, and the water is not too hot, it is also a way to keep the patient hydrated.

[@specialoperationsaidrescue7485]

Check Out SOARescue.com for some info specific to the IcePlate and its use as a medical tool, as well as a hydration and cooling tool, we teach the IcePlate regularly in courses, and firmly believe in it.

[@klobbson]

Already following you on instagram, but will absolutely check your website out. Might pull some strings and see if I can get a few of these on try-out here in Sweden. Could potentially be a really sweet way to keep your water liquid during winter on top of its use as a medical tool.

[@Noel-nu7hq]

Good shit bro, I was talking to a medic and he used a jet boil and a tarp to heat up a cold weather injury. I honestly thought he was joking.

[@Spooner1987]

There's a snack crawling around your hydro at 14:40 bro

[@Mrchimpanzeebra]

Which would be the best for drinking glue?... asking for a friend...

[@JulianPard]

yes me too, it's for research...

[@antman674]

Mrchimpanzeebra charlie, is that you??

[@sethhoward2060]

Next time your in a cold environment just remember, scotch doesn't freeze and you can create a personal warm air intake through a good cigar

[@ShumaiAxeman]

Hey, I'm a psychopath and even I don't like nasty hot plastic water.

[@AnUtterSimpleton]

I'm not the only one who likes warm plastic water, right? It makes me feel cozy, reminds me of long car trips across the prairies with my family.

[@toxxiksniper]

absolutely love the marine comment in the intro

[@CreightonMcDermott]

I'm a campus police officer, we do a lot more "walking around" compared to other agencies in my state. I just got the IcePlate, and next work day I'm going to try it under the outer vest that we wear. I keep a reflective vest tucked in the back of the outer vest, so I can't really wear it under the back side, but I'll see how it feels on the front. We have to maintain a somewhat dress uniform appearance, so I can't really wear a camel back over my back. I've been carrying a bottle of water in my cargo pants pocket, but that looks crappy, and its uncomfortable sloshing around in there all day. So, point: thanks for the review.

[@sherweezy408]

i run the Source, one thing that he didnt mention is that theyre taste free from plastic!

[@Deputy_DingDong]

And here I am using a WWI issued canteen...

[@harismpalatsoukas2777]

Pro Noob (g)old

[@iansorensen1790]

its not old, its vintage.

[@rogerscott8211]

awsome

[@kulbeins5571]

Pro Noob I assume you prestiged in order to acquire it

[@Zoie3x8]

don't laugh, metal canteens can be used to boil water in a fire. Filter, fireboil, and you've got decently clean water.

[@_Skunkfoot_]

You forgot to mention that the Source bladders can be filled from the top as well, which allows the user to fill it up completely instead of 3/4 of the way up like most bladders. Also makes things super easy as well. Good video though!

[@jrrodr86]

You forgot to mention how many Rip Its these will hold.... huge selling point.

[@north7764]

only_jake_r Look it up yourself. Really not to hard.

[@Cyph3rX]

Rip its are the taste of my childhood

[@charslapp285]

i have fallen asleep using a woobie before so i am subed and i liked. Also this playlist has helped me ton in setting up my plate carrier. thx grand thumb :)

[@whiskeytangofox9078]

Great videos brother. As a gear queer on a budget it's nice to get a seasoned opinion on things before I pull the trigger on a purchase

[@don8659]

So glad this was made. Ran drills all Saturday in the sun and had been looking for a good plate carrier attachable hydration system. Didn't have one for that training and ended up with a massive headache and threw up at the end of the day.... Not fun. Canteen ain't cutting it and my Camelback doesn't feel right over my shoulder straps

[@robertdole5391]

Im a Source fan. Back in 2007 I fell down a good chuck go a mountain in the Stan and while my Source gouged pretty bad, it didn't break or leak ever! Camelbak has popped on me at least a handful of times.

[@The_trees_have_ears]

Love camelbacks. A few years ago I Flipped over the handle bars of my mountain bike going down mount hood and landed on my back and the water bladder. No bursting or leakage.

[@barnaclebill1615]

Great review. The MSR dromedary bags were discontinued due to the discovery of BPAs. So sad I know... the new drom bags are garbage. I don’t run a hydration bladder on my LBV. Just old school Nalgene in a Molle canteen pouch does the trick. Thanks for the review. 😁👍👍🇺🇸

[@badjujuR6]

there is this really cool thing that works with that I.C.E. plate...... It's called a funnel...... lol they even make collapsible funnles........ Cool guy tip......

[@liemwire]

MSR we use on the hotshot crews and it is the best of the best. Never had or known anyone to have it rupture

[@tylerfj24]

this is one of the major downfalls in my opinion of the HS Flatpack.. I have that setup and the fact it can only handle a 1L or less water bag just doesn't cut it. I want at a minimum of 2L. Anyway Thanks so much for all of these videos. They have been a tremendous help to me to get insight on some different methods and thoughts on certain load outs.

[@joeanderson4850]

"It's gonna keep you super cool, and being cool matters." I lost it when he did 😂...

[@Orca19904]

Should be noted that Source makes a hydration pack that can be converted from a standalone pack similar to the CamelBak shown in the video to mounting on the back of a plate carrier, so it's a bit of a hybrid of the two types of hydration systems.

[@falco13007]

As a Marine, I've seen countless Source bags rupture or crack the caps just from Marines PTing with them... Never had one issue with my CamelBaks... Just my 2 cents. Semper Fi.

[@cliffordfrancis3018]

250K Subscriber Helicon give away. I liked the part where, as you were sitting in your hammock, you were talking about happiness. That got me reflecting that when I was where I wanted to be; was with who I wanted to be with; and doing what I wanted, then I was happy. I was astonished the fish were biting that little piece of paracord. I went out and got some.

[@johannlangner289]

I lean towards 3 Liters bags, since that will last you 12 hours in summer time, if you conserve as much as posible and is not to heavy. Then add a 1 liter classic military water bottle on your belt, it should have the stainless Cup, which you can use to cook food or boil water or fill your hydration pack.

[@nopeyup8176]

Milspec antidote (camelbak) same bladder for 3 years, same bite valve same hose- cleaned monthly... rolled with it, thrown with it on still going strong.

[@Jack-dy9xd]

I bought the source 3L and it works great, thanks!

[@TheSkinnyMechanic]

Wish I knew about the ice plate setup when I was out in Havasu Arizona, last day I was out that way for a shoot, it was 114 degrees 🥵

[@miamimarauder6430]

Ah you hit the summer months?

[@szhigat8789]

you didn't say you love us.

[@GarandThumb]

Szhigat i love everyone but you.

[@szhigat8789]

Garand Thumb Oh I'll just kill myself in that case

[@GarandThumb]

Szhigat i was going to say I dont luv u 4ever but I luv u 5ever becuz 5 is more than 4

[@szhigat8789]

oh shit good, I'm going to put away my tactical braided paracord noose for now then.

[@springbloom5940]

+Szhigat Tactical noose

[@MisterRedFox]

Thanks, saved me a lot of trouble with this! 👍

[@mejia1911]

I'm going to change my name to Garand Toe.

[@USMC_LAterZ]

Christopher Mejia my screen name on battlefield is GarandChorizo

[@00eefee00]

@@USMC_LAterZ xD

[@jacobpuakea7651]

I use the Armorbak on my plate carrier and love it

[@napalm867]

You should do. Video on what you put into a Range IFAK

[@mmomanny]

His humor man fuckin hilarious how he keeps a straight face love it man keep it up

[@jackiechui931]

14:40 there is an giant ant on the back pack

[@raphaelbeinhauer9242]

Jackie Chui Yep, you're right. Had to check twice.

[@jrrodr86]

Also, shout out to the AF for "hooking me up" with about 16 Camelbaks when I separated. Much love.

[@BT_Spanky]

only_jake_r lol

[@Rhodesian_Slav]

Camelback Mule comes with the cap cover and all, they’ve really upgraded sense the model he has.

[@Freedm762]

boy oh boy! new update video!

[@peterwelch4665]

Love it when you are cracking up on camera

[@KKden-vw7zy]

Holy shit I just realized that this channel is run by one person. It's so professional I thought it was a team.

[@mrmarkspencer8314]

my 1.5l Camel back will mount under carrier, with it's own system, or over carrier, (molle) as well as on the back of a pack. All depends on the environment. If you need to move fast, often, don't put a camel back under your carrier. Carrier will move around too much. (host of problems there) Mount it on the back, where it isn't as noticeable. Particularly in the bush. Lots of cover, lots of movement. Not to mention, in the bush/jungle, there will be a lot more water. Arid theater, maybe put it under for pressure, and protection thereof? Have to suppose you won't be blazing the trails out in the sandbox, like we do in the more temperate theaters.

[@chadpatrick7307]

John Patton from TGC sent me and Im glad he did thanks

[@TheQuinian]

yup.. gettin me a Qore for my bag. It has a slot for a bladder, but the full bladder just makes a huge lump right on your spine. I think the qore will fix that problem

[@TheCBMS]

Have you ever used a GeigerRig? They are pretty slick kit, they can be pressurized too and have an added bonus of having an accompanying filter that can be used. Downside is that they do not have any molle style attachment system.

[@kaufcw01]

TheCBMS love my GeigerRig!

[@Nuke-China]

Thank you for your service :)

[@gr6914]

Woobi ready. Great commercial before the video for some high quality men's hand lotion. Tactical gun hydration and works good on hands too. Keep your gun lubed up and a good grip on your rifle

[@protitan3243]

Just ordered an ice plate, should have it next week.

[@weberk95]

Dump pouches are for Nalgene bottles. On that subject, you should do a vid on mag retention without using a Nalgene holster. I'm curious to see how you manage your kit as far as separating spent and full mags

[@cbigg81]

I love my CamelBak armorbak. But also keep a MSR drom around. I haven't seen the ice plate before so now I'm going to check that out. Thx!

[@piercebruneau1284]

2:50 take my like. Damn it.

[@mediclimber]

The big dromedary bag makes a great inflatable pillow

[@Jaketheaxman]

As a marine (biologist) I can confirm that I have in fact made crayons out of the blood of my enemies and snacked on it a couple of times

[@RolandtheThompsonGunner]

the Source looks a lot like my Deuter hydro bag, they are a German outdoor/ mountaineer brand. I've used Deuter for many years and like them a lot.

[@evanromero6994]

The best bladder out there is the camelbak mil spec antidote. For a few bucks you can buy the hose for it and it's an amazing tube that's very modular and great quality! You should really try it out!

[@jasonshink6589]

Did you just say your airsoft rig hose is modular?

[@nojoy69]

Came over from The Gun Collective. Great channel, just subed.

[@hawkenloob8590]

A way to avoid water freezing in the line is to blow it back into the carrier. A clear line reduces the chance of freezing unless it gets so cold the carrier freezes.

[@scoutstripedwolf950]

This right here. I hope everyone sees this.

[@flyboymike111357]

I can't be the only guy who likes the form follows function aesthetic. "Tactical" rigs usually look better when there is something on your back, even just some mag/flashbang pouches your buddies can use when you stack up. The only real exception is when you are trying to run a "slick" rig, with a tactical "add on" for contingencies. Like cops/security folks need when they have to be seated in a guard station or patrol vehicle most of the time.

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

Water is life, life is garand thumb

[@cscearce2000]

Was doing a live fire a few days ago, too much violence of action caused my hydration bladder hose to rip off and start spilling all over me while blasting. Buy quality. 😂