Gardening: race, history and Empire - James Wong

[@elizabethduffy2145]

Isn't the title of the video doing the very thing James Wong called out very early in the conversation? Click bait gets the views up I know, but come on Channel 4 why play into the same bullshit?

[@chrismcg69]

You're 100% correct.

[@brendansheehan7714]

Agree, sensationalist headline for a really interesting interview. This is more about elitism vs inclusivity

[@louisattlee]

I don't see the problem, if more people watch more people get educated

[@elizabethduffy2145]

@@louisattlee The title has now been changed, but the issue is a lot of people will see a headline or a video title, and then not bother to watch or read to get the nuance. It's a shame, but that shallow understanding perpetuates the idea of James Wong saying 'gardening is racist' when he never did. It makes things easer for lazy racists who want to spread their nonsense.

[@Amy-qc2qq]

I'm Jewish, my best friend is Chinese, and my ex is Jamaican, and we all equally love gardening (and I have a masters in Ethnobotany), I can't say I've ever felt any prejudice in gardening, if anything it seems to me to bring everyone together because it's something that's enjoyed by every culture in the world.

[@bl00dhoney]

are you being deliberately obtuse? If you have a masters in Ethnobotany you should understand the relationship between colonialism, racialised captialism, labour exploitation and plants - and in turn how that has shaped contemporary ideas about British horticulture.

[@MA7-6585]

@@bl00dhoney blood honey Why be mean? They make a valid point.

[@shuunya]

I think that I understand James Wong's arguement as being we have to understand that the world of plants is not devoid of racism. There is an underlying message that there is some British exceptionalism in the world of gardening when in fact there is a world out there where we can also be taking ideas (indeed British landscape design is influenced by South East Asia - and populated by Pagodas, Roman temples, and pastoral huts). Furthermore James Wong feels the horticultural world is being stiffled by this thinking.... that is what is worrying. I agree somewhat that if anything gardening brings people together but we have to be cognisant of that underlying tone. Take for example James Wong's experience of learning about sugar cane and slavery... that story illustrates about acknowledging this past as an expansion on our knowledge.

[@jamndunk]

Exactly! I was quietly put in my place by an Horticulturist when I referred to 'English' Elderflower: as he pointed out the many varieties replicated worldwide. This is technical ignorance about a field (pub intended) with a complex history.

[@ianmangham4570]

I had a racist garden back in the 80s, everytime I tried cutting the grass I'd hear a voice whispering "White Honkey" I have moved on 4 times since then and the gardens were paved, I'm still recovering from the trauma but I'm dealing /powerful sedatives from my doc help.

[@ryansykes4603]

Genius 😂

[@michaelphillips470]

How many ethnics are farmers and helping out the uk food basket

[@ianmangham4570]

@@michaelphillips470 42

[@gerryjtierney]

@@michaelphillips470 people get paid, shock horror

[@jawz2005]

No. It isn't. I just saved you 40 minutes

[@emm_arr]

The first three minutes are worth a listen: he explains exactly how the snide little Russian trolls concoct fake news.

[@jawz2005]

@@emm_arr could you expand?

[@emm_arr]

@@jawz2005 Just lisen to it.

[@jawz2005]

@@emm_arr already did

[@emm_arr]

@@jawz2005 Then stop being a silly man.

[@timmywright7099]

It's sad that this exists. Who funds this nonsense?

[@emm_arr]

People who fund media outlets often fund misrepresenting what others say. They then sell more dubious news to people who want to read that sort of stuff.

[@samhughes8017]

pretty telling that this was a really fascinating and well thought out nuanced interview and yet it has been hammered by dislikes by people who obviously didn't listen to more than the first 30 seconds.

[@bishboshs]

In fairness. I would argue that however good the actual content is it should be downvoted for such a clickbait title.

[@Fernandoenf2]

I'm from Spain and British gardens are amazing.

[@markrutlidge5427]

Thank you, I find Spanish gardening amazing, creepers all in pots etc.

[@steveknott4255]

So are Spanish ones

[@Fernandoenf2]

@@markrutlidge5427 My mother loved to visit me in Portsmouth , where I life and we usually go to visit gardens and where there is any Spanish style area within the garden we love and we appreciate some British Gardners try to replicate Nothing to see with racism or cultural appropriation, on the contrary we find it like an appreciation and love for another places I would dare to day that Spanish or Italian gardens are also influenced from another previous cultures This video is so stupid that is just laughable

[@johnmcrosin1746]

British Gardens are amazing, but unfortunately, very very racist.....

[@Fernandoenf2]

@@johnmcrosin1746 why?

[@obamathe3rd882]

The title was clickbait

[@crown9413]

-Heritage in plants is seen as better simply because plants that have grow here for millennia are more adapted to the soil and ecology. And the fauna more adapted to it. -You aren't asking for more history you're asking for a cherry picked view of history highlighting Britain's crimes in order to demoralize the people. It's an attack. -He doesn't consider him self a brit by the way he talks. Referring to people generally as you instead of us/we. 3:40 The interviewer starts panicking and mouthing like a goldfish as James starts talking like a Marxist, which would reveal that they're both radical ideologues. Marxists want to deconstruct society and attack it's history so they can start a revolution.

[@jamesbrown-vg6qj]

i can see many people criticising the title and i generally agree with disliking clickbait but i can honestly say i wouldn't have clicked on the title if it was a boring title because my perception was gardening is really boring. now i'm really interested to find out more. thanks krishnan

[@shuunya]

I understand completely James Wong's point about heritage varieties or native plants and the mis-appropriation of the meaning. Yes, how can I accept that the gardening style of a large house owned by the landed upper class when my ancestors were agricultural workers who probably at best had a small vegetable patch to sustain them. Saying that as a vegetable gardener I need to take from some of that past knowledge of sometimes quite recent seed producers that was born from that era of great houses in Britain. So I might use some of the varieties that worked in the vegetable gardens of the great houses of Britain. I think that the way that I use heritage is about protecting old varieties (that may not be British varieties). That is to protect the diversity of seed varieties against industrial horticulture and agriculture. In the same ways that Mexican farmers are trying to protect corn and maize varieties. The word native is also tied up with the cultural history of the colonial times. I can see that. Who is to say what plant is native? I suppose the idea is to say where the cut off is. Or is it not worth categorising in that way. Do we stop trying to get rid of Rhododendron from the local hills as an 'invasive' (that word being more suspect really) species. I am thinking about a James Wong story about Rhubarb that I heard on gardeners question time. We all think that Rhubarb is a quintessential British fruit (rhubarb and custard and all that) but Rhubarb was originally from China or that area. The Romans used it as a medicinal plant and it was in the UK by 1390. It was the British that took this plant and turned it into something to eat as a dessert. It is true that like alot of other topics there is British exceptionalism in the underlying dialogue in gardening and we should check the language that we use. Like everything the British landscape gardens were influenced by south east asian gardens, Jekyll and Lutyens gardens brought in Arabic influences into the garden design.... we should take the world of plants as that wonderful cross fertilisation of ideas.

[@WhichDoctor1]

Absolutely! When I say heritage I see it as preserving genetic diversity against the narrowing of seed stock to the two or three most commercially productive strains of the dozen or so most commonly grown crops. Whether that be British apple trees or south American oca, or Spanish perennial kale, or Chinese yams. But too often it's used as James points out. Heritage plants are better because they're traditional and British! But in my experience, a lot of heritage veg is slow-growing, and produces small and unappetising yields. In many cases there were good reasons why farmers stopped using them. I still grow them because they're different and interesting, and every now and then you find something really good like the peabean. And I get to feel like a gardening hipster when other people start catching on years later :p We should clear Rhododendrons when they swamp out diversity and damage ecosystems. But we should do that with any plant where that is the case, "foreign" or "native" it shouldn't matter. After all, only a little over ten thousand years ago most of these islands was stripped back to bedrock by ice, and the rest was frozen tundra. 99% of all plants that are currently growing in the UK have "invaded" at some point since then. How much does it matter if they arrived 6 thousand, 1 thousand, or 20 years ago? All that matters is what effect they have when they're here.

[@zatoichibeat]

Ok so the title should be “is gardening culture racist”

[@patrickchoque7720]

Yeah haha but they’ve got to get those clicks tbf 😂

[@kindacalled777]

That would be the honest option, but then they wouldn't get all the clicks from people wondering how tf gardening could be racist...

[@Ruairitrick]

I've learned from this deeply insightful interview that in the UK people have a fondness for things that are seen as part of its heritage. This is completely unique to the UK and is in no way a truism that could be said for every nation on earth.

[@Urko2005]

The world is going totally crazy, something went in the water around the late 90s imo.

[@steveknott4255]

If I was born to a middle class family I could have gone to a good college got my diploma and by now held a good position at a prestigious garden for a good salary but I was from a single parent family and had to work as a seasonal for many years learning what I could and training where possible after 25 30 years I finally have a good position for portsmouth city council for living wage the horticultural establishment is full of all kinds of ism's why is it hard to believe racism is one of them

[@crown9413]

You're describing classism not racism

[@lordburney8101]

30 years ago university was grant based. You should have tried harder or had more direction. Nothing to do with class or racism.

[@steveknott4255]

@@lordburney8101 sorry forgot it was all my fault like I haven't had that my whole life from people who have no idea who I am save us all from middle class value judgements the common sense of the cruel

[@patrickchoque7720]

@@crown9413 still very bad, and depending where you are in the country those two things go hand in hand, it’s a complicated subject

[@WhichDoctor1]

@@crown9413 If something is classist, why couldn't it also be racist?

[@ryanlowe1781]

What a stupid click bait title. Does snyone actually think that talking about tea, cheese and gardening as racist does anything but shut peoples ears to real issues? No wonder very little to nothing has changed in a year being that we're focused on cheese, tea and petunia.

[@sarahn.9358]

I know right! I was getting ready to buy an antique sunshine recorder during lockdown because I thought someone in the future might need it, might as well have one lying around just in case. Tim Leunig suggested we become like Singapore and import all of our food.

[@johnmcrosin1746]

I think James is totally wong on this one......

[@emm_arr]

Perhaps better than most podcasts, this one explains how people in the comments section are being played for fools. James Wong does not think gardening is racst.

[@Dragonten312]

Dislikes and comments from people who haven't watched the video. They explicitly say that gardening is NOT racist. Jesus Christ.

[@colliehouse3133]

To have such a conversation in the first place deserves a thumbs down. It’s insane.

[@ProjectDystopia]

@@colliehouse3133 Watch the video, don't be seduced by a headline.

[@jimjiminyjaroo300]

Too many reactionary snowflakes.

[@caravanstuff2827]

@@jimjiminyjaroo300 this "racist"BS is pissing every one of... there's push back coming and it won't be pretty!!!.😠🇬🇧

[@PamsPrettyPlants]

@@caravanstuff2827 found the nazi

[@davidgross316]

It's not. There we can all get on with our lives

[@PamsPrettyPlants]

Translation: “I can’t manage my reactionary feelings long enough to watch a very interesting and rational conversation.”

[@patrickchoque7720]

Well, the title should’ve been gardening CULTURE but clearly the culture in gardening is

[@QueerPolitics]

you obviously got on with your life 40 minutes earlier and learned nothing, thanks to your fragile white man ego.

[@charlottemarceau8062]

I thought the title was satirical...

[@caravanstuff2827]

Yes...it's a joke.😂😂😂

[@liamhoward2208]

This title is cringe.

[@Jules1414]

James being pro GMOs and anti-native plants is hilarious. Yes guy is a 🤡 looking for attention wherever he can find it.

[@somersetjer]

The fact that gardening and plants have a colonial history does not make them 'racist'. This is robbing 'racist' and 'racism' of any meaning whatsoever. Look up 'racism' in a dictionary: a) Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized; b) The belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another. Anybody would ask why you got interested in botany, for heaven's sake, get over yourself.

[@anonnymous4684]

I don't think you, personally, get to define what racism is.

[@jamndunk]

Mr Wong is an Ethnobotanist tbough! Look that up & get over your 'common-sense' view lol

[@warmlantern0000]

He quoted the dictionary. Not his personal view. A DICTIONARY

[@MrLph427]

Click bait title.......🙁

[@jadagod]

Interesting discussion, terrible click bait title.

[@TimNield888]

So cringe

[@MyFamilyGarden]

Class is a problem in gardening, racism is a problem in gardening, even now BAME people are being discriminated against in gardening institutions, gardening media and even gardens themselves. It's exactly why the DigItOut campaign is so necessary.

[@caravanstuff2827]

CLOWN 🤡

[@Ruairitrick]

This entire interview is a rank exercise in sophistry. In a typical mote and bailey, the hack moves back and forth between the incendiary claim that gardening is essentially racist (in its DNA) and that words like 'heritage' are racist, to the utterly banal claim that racism exists. He does this while simultaneously having the temerity to lecture others for apparently exaggerating things for clicks.

[@emm_arr]

Shitpost.

[@jamndunk]

Somehow, I understood some change in tv gardening in recent past reflected a falling away of productive gardens: veg or flowers and market gardens in the UK. My impression was a wartime generation had carried over back garden horticulture as monoculture agriculture increased in the world. Then, the demographic shift of more people living in cities coupled with reduced access to land for allotments. For instance, where I lived in a capitol city, the housing project commissioned & built by local church endeavour was on slum land bombed in WW2 and had been allotment gardens ever since then, up until 90s.

[@xxw5405]

Very interesting topic!

[@beaconing7689]

next title be like "is eating a banana racist ?"

[@emm_arr]

You got played. 3:17.

[@cz8738]

Heritage has to be actual heritage to be called that. Perception and politics are more important for mumsnet readers than truth.

[@dilligaf700]

Sick of hearing racism this racism that it's getting so people are to frightend to have an opinion.

[@jomila87]

Why are you scared of facing racism and people stopping it?

[@emm_arr]

Listen at 3:17. You've been chumped.

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Simple answer... NO

[@emm_arr]

I have some fine heritage weeds.

[@daviddawson1718]

As a child I followed my dad everywhere. We would run our horses through the woods trying to identify all of the branches that we hit, or hit us.I love you daddy.

[@notgreatatcoding]

Despite the title, really interesting talk! 👍

[@gamingtonight1526]

Culture Wars was started by the precursor of #MeToo back in the late 80s. But this video shows how far we have lost this culture war, and society will never be the same.

[@jomila87]

‘Click bait’. Funny who are whinging about the title - one of the smallest things you can whine about when the conversation has so many layers to it! This is a channel 4 news channel on KZbin. What did you expect in terms of titles? It’s still a worthy conversation to listen to

[@cz8738]

I'm definitely going to learn something new in the end...

[@wilfredsterling2124]

Look to Australia who until recently categorised aboriginals as flora and fauna -

[@annap8420]

Fascinating conversation, thanks for creating this... I am going to share this with my community garden.

[@Himbros]

Boy, that title is a disservice to the topic...

[@fluxdiflux7453]

Absolut great Podcast! Dont let you fool by the title.

[@mauriceupton1474]

He should stick to gardening.

[@tiermacgirl]

And you should stick it

[@emm_arr]

He would if people didn't make false claims! Did you get hoodwinked?

[@PamsPrettyPlants]

I see lots of men hyperventilating, if it helps, little baby people, click this first so you can breathe and listen: 3:17

[@QueerPolitics]

but, but, but... i CaN't Be A rAcIsT i'M nOt EvEn In ThE kKk

[@PamsPrettyPlants]

@@QueerPolitics 😅

[@QueerPolitics]

@@PamsPrettyPlants the refusal of white people in england to engage with racism as anything other than a pitchfork-wielding mob is endlessly cowardly. the thing is, it is only going to be more and more difficult to come to terms with the more heels get dug into the ground.

[@davidairey3614]

The hard hitting news. What has happend to the news in this country!

[@emm_arr]

This is not news. You should know that. Have you been to the Middle East?

[@BlogofTheW3st]

I think defecating is pretty racist.

[@aliwright1016]

Like access to swimming, I understand by gardening is racist...

[@renniepaxton4416]

Its all to do with civilising society. Nothing to do with skin colour. Cultivating beauty and working hand in hand with God's nature beats letting things go to ruin every time !☺

[@lifesweet4204]

Colonial racism and slavery still exist in the Caribbean and agricultural was the no# 1 industry in the Caribbean sugar and cotton the British brought slaves to the Caribbean the French and the British fought for the islands to dominate the trade of the cotton sugar industry that’s y the queen is still head of state in all eastern Caribbean islands but the black people are still treated less and are subdued to the racist behavior of the British come back and take all the land with there riches and make our land private and illegal to be on🤔 interesting discussion

[@lifesweet4204]

I use to work for a British family here in Antigua and I was only paid $4USD PER HOUR HAVING MY QUALIFICATION AND WAS TOLD THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY ME WHAT I AM QUALIFIED FOR BUT THEY RAN A BUSINESS TO ACCOMMODATE THE SUPER RICH AND ALSO RACIST DO ANYONE KNOW HOW THAT FEELS TO BE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF SEEING ALL THE SUPER YATCH AND THE SUPPER RICH BEEN RACIST TO YOU IN YOUR OWN LAND

[@TheSeventhSeal]

Race grifters gonna grift...

[@belkentens]

Of course it is... everything is

[@emm_arr]

Listen at 3:17 or listen to ^^this lying putinbot.

[@billiehaley2816]

This is the most ridiculous thing in the world. Read up on the crimes GF committed. If you still idolize him ...wow.

[@Beds41018]

Go to dr's and get some meds🙄

[@tonybliss577]

Awesome interview. Really inspiring me to look at my garden differently in a more playful way.

[@globalist1990]

Definitely .

[@johnfisher7757]

Please stop this endless, divisive rhetoric regarding race. It is not going to end well ...

[@run2cat4run]

Its be going on for so long so why stop?

[@PamsPrettyPlants]

Yes it’s the civil discussing of racism that makes tensions high 😂 smooth brain.

[@johnfisher7757]

@@PamsPrettyPlants How is that civil discussion going for you over in the US Pam? An American lecturing anyone on race relations is priceless.

[@FBISHOJI]

How low do you have to go to think gardening is racist

[@ianarn]

Of course it is! Earlier I was just clicking my heals to the Horst Wessel song.

[@thEeeowL]

Very interesting conversation! The title does not do it justice, it discusses a lot more issues than racism in gardening culture.

[@gerryjtierney]

Good, because there is none

[@jomila87]

They took the naga morich from Bangladesh and renamed it Dorset naga 🙄 a chilli we have every day in British bangla homes they decided to rename it as Dorset, why?

[@canadianpsychologist]

Cathy Newman of Channel 4 news did a poor job of interviewing on Jan 16, 2018 and she needs to apologize for her bad behaviour.

[@emm_arr]

^^FSB. #ShitposiQuean

[@karenlewis8855]

Just complete nonsense..

[@anonnymous4684]

Your name is apt.

[@anarchoutis]

Wong isn't a botanist, he's an 'ethnobotanist', a field which has as much to do with botany as a sociology does with anatomy, hence the utter bilge he spouts.

[@PamsPrettyPlants]

You have been here talking the whole 40 min ive been watching this 😂

[@Dan-B]

You’re finding any reason to not listen.

[@emm_arr]

@@PamsPrettyPlants Hes either a wilful idiot or someone paid to influence idiots. My fave Russian troll is active here too!

[@Amy-qc2qq]

Not really true. My undergraduate degree was pure botany, mainly plant physiology. I then studied a masters in ethnobotany. Yes there was a lot as sociology but botany, and specifically taxonomy, was critical to my thesis.

[@Amy-qc2qq]

Both botany and ethnobotany have very little to do with gardening though.

[@gigglemaniarunninwild2207]

Hes just triggered and fragile about the word “native” and he’s projecting his issues on people who just want to do some gardening, just give it a rest and do something meaningful with your life instead of stirring up drama to help you cope with your insecurities

[@emm_arr]

Shitpost. Watch at 3:17.

[@caravanstuff2827]

Channel 4 is just tabloid journalism with moving pictures!!!.🤔

[@emm_arr]

@@caravanstuff2827 This podcast clearly shows you posted an obvious lie.

[@r8chlletters]

Let’s put it this way. There are elements of humanity in all human activity. Duh. This guy has such an agenda it’s staggering.

[@65LORDBYRON]

I hate gardens I don't even like flowers!!!! And I feel great now because I find out the reason!!! Now, you don't even need to have a black friend to say that you are not racist, you just have to hate plants and gardens and that proves that you are not racist!?!?!? God save me from this and I'm agnostic 99,9% of the time!!!

[@ancientmusketeer6564]

So do these race issues exist in other cultures? I'm sure we are not the only country to practice making gardens.

[@riverchoctaw9480]

STOP WITH EVERYTHING BEING RACIST DEAR LORD HELP HELP THIS NATION OF PUSHED RACISM. Is gardening racism gzz STOP

[@SASMADBRUV7]

Watch the whole video

[@riverchoctaw9480]

@@SASMADBRUV7 ok I apologize for be quick. It’s just everything and I mean everything these days is racist. Pretty soon having bleached hair will be racist. 💔

[@SASMADBRUV7]

@@riverchoctaw9480 the problem is there are two sides. One who sees racism in everything. The other who could never admit that there could be racism. No one will judge the case individually.

[@davesmith9276]

Yes the title is clickbait, the actual video is rather interesting (and refutes the title).

[@caravanstuff2827]

If there wasn't the massive immigration in to Western countries from the third world then there wouldn't be any problem of racism...if the opposite was the case there would be a lot worse happening to us....the whole thing was a bad idea ... this woke BS is just making things a lot worse!!!.😠😠😠🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@Sakonetatar1]

Gardening is very racist, I think it should be banned

[@Robert-cu9bm]

Especially the industrial scale racist gardening. There's a whole industry built.

[@jomila87]

Have you watched the video

[@emm_arr]

The tag #ShitpostQuean denotes a single Russian woman shitposting on these comments.

[@cheekypop]

gardening is officially racist now guys

[@emm_arr]

No. It just means someone made a mug out of you! 3:17 You ate the fertiliser.

[@peteredwards338]

Is James Wong ?

[@davidgaudin4668]

U wong for that

[@belkentens]

Have you ever seen a Chinese scaffolder?

[@jamesbrown-vg6qj]

in china?

[@KPJ1976]

Once again Channel 4, and their chief race-baiter Krishnan, wasting everyone's time.

[@fieryvespucci3421]

Disliked for the clickbait title, shame on you :P interesting talk though

[@jeanniemaycrawford4466]

Wtf has George Floyd got anything to do with this?

[@anonnymous4684]

Hilarious to see all the Karens and Kevins who have been triggered by this fascinating discussion. It's becoming increasingly clear who the _real_ 'snowflakes' are.

[@jeanniemaycrawford4466]

Yea, being called racist is so nice, right?

[@anonnymous4684]

@@jeanniemaycrawford4466 It's not intended as a compliment, but as an observation

[@jeanniemaycrawford4466]

@@anonnymous4684 I was being sarcastic......

[@dougalsii]

Heritage = GMO... but in a bourgeois, positive sense

[@rosegardens9701]

The Rapture is soon and Jesus will take all those in christ and the children out of harms way in the blink of an eye then the 7 year tribulation will begin . ask Jesus to save you today and forgive you of your sins by his finished work on the cross and he will give you eternal life . Thessalonians 4:16-17 King James Version 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

[@bruhbruh2290]

dont like the heritage and native things, go somewhere else. why does he think that every other country outside of the UK is allowed to preserve and appreciate their heritage and native history, but not the uk? and what does he gain from this awful room temperature IQ take? also, why is he doing lectures? shouldn't be anywhere near intelligent people.

[@gerryjtierney]

We get it, he's a race grifter

[@joet8862]

Stupid and shameful bait title

[@tams805]

Coming up next: Was my dog racist? I don't know but I put him down just in case.

[@Felipe-js1wl]

I'm going to make a video titled, "Is Channel 4 a race-baiting, click-baiting, master-baiting network?" Watch our video to find out.

[@emm_arr]

You do that - and miss the message about you getting played.

[@Felipe-js1wl]

@@emm_arr are you on staff or something? what do you care about this stupid video?

[@emm_arr]

@@Felipe-js1wl "are you on staff or something? what do you care about this stupid video?" I care about people being misled. And if you had your head attached right so would you. So you ... are you going to be a mug, a willing mug or something better?

[@Felipe-js1wl]

@@emm_arr I'm not trying to fight here, but I truly didn't understand your last response. Maybe English isn't your first language, but can you clarify? And also, channel 4 using race in their title IS race baiting. Do you not see that?

[@emm_arr]

@@Felipe-js1wl "but I truly didn't understand your last response" I corrected "had" to "head". "And also, channel 4 using race in their title IS race baiting." No. Fallacious. "Do you not see that?" No. So you ... are you going to be a mug, a willing mug or something better?

[@jobecrooks6059]

Quick answer: no

[@nullvoid564]

Insert Family guy racist sunflower sketch

[@jamesaddison2428]

What a stupid question

[@emm_arr]

It follows some stupid claims that intetionally misreport what the guest said.

[@spoogerification]

ahahahahahahaha

[@iamme9107]

Especially if you have green thumb s

[@marlonblade007]

Lol on noone asking his brother why he was into football.

[@BenWillock]

Well maybe we should solve institutionalised racism in the police & political system, then worry about... gardening... later.

[@jomila87]

Are you BIPOC? Because I myself as a person of colour have faced racism in gardening while standing in my own garden or while buying gardening products. This is not what is talked about here in the video but it’s not right to police BIPOC people about what they have experienced or what they want to tackle or prioritise especially when it comes to something that we should be allowed to enjoy as a hobby that harms no one yet we are still being judged on the colour of our skin

[@jomila87]

But I completely agree that institutionalised racism needs to be tackled at high priority but I wouldn’t want to silence views on racism in other aspects of our lives

[@Martial-Mat]

Stupid clickbait question. Zero interest in the subject.

[@emm_arr]

It's actually more nuanced than the title.

[@PamsPrettyPlants]

And yet here you are...

[@Martial-Mat]

@@PamsPrettyPlants I bet you thought you were being SOOOO clever with that comment huh? Little smirk on your face as you typed it? Maybe told one of your friends for a bit of validation? Probably walked away from your computer whistling with self-satisfaction? Expressing my disinterest in the subject matter is a valid reason to come here and say as much just as someone might attend a march to tell the government that they are dissatisfied.

[@caravanstuff2827]

@@Martial-Mat are you sure your not projecting??🤔

[@Martial-Mat]

@@caravanstuff2827 You two are simply hilarious. Why don't you get together and pat each other on the backs at how witty you are. You can send each other little "You really told him" messages, then you can screencap them and share them on your social media so all the dweebs can crown you king and queen.

[@emm_arr]

The first two and half minutes is interesting: thie fellow explains exactly how bots and bad faith players serve up manure to fertilize your local comments sections.

[@zoundstreetop]

Stop the torturing of shrubs.

[@ULHIS]

No. That's all.

[@matthewsmith2787]

Gardens racist? Reallt

[@emm_arr]

Really not. 3:17. You got played.

[@looloowhiskey]

Classic channel 4 bigotry

[@cipherhex]

Nixon, get back your grave, young man!

[@LittleCharliesadventure]

In a way, he got some point BUT I got no time to check if Gardening is racist. I gotta go out and live a life...

[@PamsPrettyPlants]

Why comment when you obviously didn’t watch? 3:17 he literally says it isn’t racist 😂