Garmin Instinct 3…Let’s Chat

[@ac30428]

I would’ve gotten instinct 3 solar if it had the newer hr sensor

[@lustyd]

@@ac30428 I’m curious what advantage you see in the newer one? ECG is fun for five minutes but realistically I don’t think many use it. The accuracy is effectively identical between the two as far as I can tell.

[@ac30428]

@@lustyd @ that’s my struggle! I want to transition from an Apple Watch, I’m ok with losing some smart features, but even tho I don’t use ECG at all, it’s weird to downgrade in terms of fitness hardware when the whole point for me of switching is to have better fitness measurements… I’m worried that the gen 4 hr that doesn’t have the ECG will be less accurate than my Apple Watch that can do ECG

[@lustyd]

@ it’s definitely not. Ray’s reviews show that. The Fenix 7 was better than current Apple Watch in every way. Make the switch and you won’t look back. You’ll also be amazed how little you think about charging!

[@ac30428]

@@lustyd oh wow, good to know! I might end up getting it! 😊 I still feel a little weird about them not putting in the new sensor on the new watch, but I think it’s not a dealbreaker

[@Tacoking8891]

@@ac30428yeah, the gen 5 sensor is almost negligible in most scenarios. I have seen some videos where on cold weather and low light situations it doesn’t do as well, but it still does fine. Pretty much everywhere else it is within a couple of beats. The ECG is useful for my aging parents to catch a fib early and avoid a stroke. If that isn’t your demographic, I wouldn’t worry about it. Oh, it also does skin temperature for sleep data, but really doesn’t tell you anything useful.

[@grizzle1629]

I just ordered the 3 solar, REI version. For me personally I think it'll work great. I like the ruggedness, unlimited battery and the fact it's not overloaded with a ton of stuff that I'll never use but has everything I will. Works for me

[@Mistahpoop]

Got an instinct 2s a couple weeks ago, glad I didn’t wait for the E, what a bummer.

[@lleemcdermitt1892]

Love my 2s garmin instinct. The E doesn't have best review. Dummed down. So no lost there

[@MrNick99]

I really love watching you guys 😊

[@thefitfile]

Appreciate it!

[@lustyd]

Agree, this podcast has definitely hit on the right formula so hopefully the extra work and timezone stuff are sustainable.

[@vinbia]

I just wanted a black colored instinct 3 that isn't AMOLED. Those orange accents don't work for me :(

[@M9IN0G]

You can always get s Sharpie.

[@Tacoking8891]

I had the opposite problem 😂. I just wish they offered both color options for each model.

[@david168-d6f]

Garmin's insistance on having 50 different watch models is doing more harm than good at this point. They are actively gimping their watches, taking away basic features so they could upsell you to the $1000 Fenix models... They should streamline their offering to a more manageable size, and focus on making those watches the best in their class, like all their competitors are doing.

[@MVK_GS]

You know what's crazy, though? Garmin stock soars to all-time high in the last quarter of 2024 (reported in the November 2024 investment call). Their fitness and outdoor watches led their profit performance. So, if their approach is a problem, Garmin does not notice.

[@david168-d6f]

@@MVK_GS interesting. Let's see for how long they can keep that up. At this point they are just repackaging 2-3 year old watches as "new" and jacking up prices. Meanwhile all their competitors are quickly catching up, offering great value at the $300 - $400 range.

[@lustyd]

I 100% agree with what you're saying, but I would still buy the Fenix even if it had an identical (software) feature set. Many people have and will buy the Instinct regardless of feature set too. People just have preferences on style. There's no way to sensibly put the vented titanium bands on the Instinct without it looking like a weird Casio Rolex Fankenstein. That should be Garmin's sales pitch for Fenix, nicer materials and more refined looks. It used to be that way with Forerunner 935 vs Fenix 5 but then they started backtracking. I'd also have bought the Fenix 8 if my Epix and Fenix 7 had the exact same software feature set. The dive sensor and larger screen were worth the price for me (although I'd pay them to take the speaker and mic away!). Their hardware gets better every generation but I don't think Garmin are confident enough to make the software stack standard. Better than they were, but still not great.

[@paldepind]

Personally I think it's the gimping and not the number of products that is the biggest problem (though the latter might also be a problem). Just as an example, let's say you like the looks of the Venu 3 but you also want full running stats. Well, then you're out of luck, because Garmin gimped the Venu by not giving it the full set of running stats. So even though they have a million watches it can _still_ be hard to find a watch that suits you, since Garmin also has a million ways to gimp their watches.

[@sammfaria]

Nice! I agree with pretty much everything. Did you guys mention that hideous orange accent or did I miss it? It KILLED the design of the solar version.

[@Tacoking8891]

Meh, that is totally subjective. I actually like it a lot more than the solid black. What is annoying is that you don’t have the same color options across the models. I wish they would have brought that up, but I guess they may be leaving that for the review.

[@bonn1771]

Nice get to listen to this before I do at work

[@leocmen]

Instinct AMOLED is absolutely pointless... All we needed is a rugged & resistant body with Fenix8 features, new HR sensor and long battery life

[@lustyd]

You're literally describing a Fenix 8, which is more rugged and resistant than the Instinct. If you want battery then get the Fenix 8 MIP. Plastic is not more durable than titanium!

[@Dnserror88]

Perfect timing I just made hot chocolate

[@MateHegyhati]

Dinner for me

[@CM-ef8fu]

So glad I went with the Instinct 2x last black friday for 200Euro!!!

[@PogUk111]

A great watch, thank you guys

[@MrProphetius]

Garmins new marketing strategy: Getting rid of loyal customers.

[@BuGeris]

Thats your problem if you are a loyal customer in the age of capitalism.

[@MrProphetius]

@@BuGeris how is this my Problem?

[@BuGeris]

@@MrProphetius What benefit you get from being a loyal customer to one brand instead of choosing best available product on the market ? None. Why stick to one brand and whine in the comments when you can get a product that suits your needs elsewhere ? Dont take this personally, talking about people in general.

[@MrProphetius]

@@BuGeris No whining here , dont worry. its not my problem if garmin loses loyal customers is what i meant. Im not a fanboy.

[@noisetin]

How? I3S is a significant improvement over I2S.

[@MD-tr1yv]

The instinct 3 is a statement by Garmin that they don’t really care to listen to their customers.

[@cresbonz5554]

They’ve made improvements in some key areas and kept the price essentially unchanged, even cheaper in some regions.

[@HarryKuloh]

Incorrect.​@@cresbonz5554

[@TomikCoin]

They heard me

[@dusandojcinovic8105]

Only option is 50mm solar, with B&W screen

[@N1klas13]

Torch on regular size.

[@33scottyp]

I like the Instinct Aomled not having a touch screen. It still feels like a watch rather than a smart watch.

[@XdB1Gz7StR4C7]

👌✌💪 I share your thoughts.

[@Bullet_1987]

Garmin watches are more like real watches like gshock and other digital. They are not smart watches

[@JasonRaneses]

Garmin’s choices are baffling. To the point I question any future investments in new hardware from the brand. Way too many better options out there in 2025 at much lower price points.

[@BuGeris]

Im not sure that you understand what an investment is.

[@JohnDoe-vq4cq]

Like what other brands offer you illimited battery so you can compare? Nobody

[@JasonRaneses]

@@BuGeris Investment in an ecosystem

[@mrjkstark]

@JohnDoe-vq4cq Battery life isn't the only factor everyone cares about.

[@nishadkumar7322]

Definitely looking forward to see the comparison video of all 3 instinct models

[@andyburns6496]

The Instinct 3 AMOLED is £389 in the UK. Once it’s discounted by 15% I’d happily buy it. The older sensors seem fine to me. Solar charging in the UK is useless 70% of the year. I’m not bothered by the lack of a touchscreen. i don’t expect maps at that price. I like that the amoled display is full screen and misses the round cutout. The rugged look is maintained and I’d pay an extra £50 just for the torch. Its one of the most used features on my Epix Pro

[@thomassingleton-wells6600]

Exactly the same opinion as myself. Owned a G-Shock range man and currently an original instinct solar. I like the look of the AMOLED as not much use case for solar here in the UK. Old sensors is frustrating but not a deal breaker. And basic maps would be great but again not a deal breaker. As I said on Desfits review, I would turn the touchscreen off anyway if it was available.

[@MadSportsUK]

Market share grab will always be there as long as Garmin cost stay at extortionate prices.

[@Webrisernl]

Would a fenix 7 be a better than the instinct 3 for my first garmin?

[@thefitfile]

It's certainly more full featured. (-Ray)

[@andrewc7189]

Questions on the metal bezel ring - Garmin say it was added to increase strength, but no-one was complaining about the durability of previous models. Was it added in expectation of an ecg capable elevate v5, which was dropped at some point? Also, why don't Garmin offer a choice of colors on the Solar model - not everyone wants orange highlights on a monochrome watch.

[@danilpogrebnoi7501]

It looks like the metal bezel ring was added just to make it look different from Instinct 2.

[@michaeltihon3485]

I think you have to look at the instinct 3 the other way around. Instead of wondering why they didn't add touch or maps, see it as it's just an instinct with amoled, for a few bucks more. HR sensor 5 is another story though, I agree.

[@kimlehtinen]

Finally an episode!

[@thefitfile]

🙌

[@sean.grogan]

RE AMOLED Instinct -- I'm def in the MIP camp. I think us MIP fans enjoy the muted colors and duller screens. I feel like I'm being blasted with HD displays all day and the last thing I want is my watch to also be blasting me. And while we still have the choice, I don't think we'll have the choice forever (barring some specific circumstances). I think seeing that almost all of the latest garmin watch releases are going AMOLED with the exception of the Fenix, Enduro, and Instinct means MIP is either going to be a niche product in the lineup or nonexistent at some point. I know the FR 55 is still in production but I'd bet a dollar whenever the FR 65 comes out it'll be an AMOLED as well.

[@zerofugz1621]

Garmin is in big trouble. The Fenix 8 line is way overpriced as is the Enduro. most people just need basic activities and maps. i'll buy the Amazfit Active 2 just for the maps. I was considering the Enduro 2 or 3 but I just can't justify the price.

[@lustyd]

I can't think of any serious competition for the Fenix 8 that's cheaper. I can't think of any serious competitor come to think of it, the Fenix 8 is top of the game in sports watches right now. Apple may eventually get there but right now they're not even close, and any time they catch up Garmin just jumps further ahead.

[@zerofugz1621]

@@lustyd 90% of the users just need the basic features of a sports watch. This is the market I'm talking about. So adding maps to such an affordable watch takes a big chunk of the customers who would pay more for a watch with maps, like hikers and Trail Runners.

[@lustyd]

@ I agree there need to be cheaper options, there’s zero reason maps cost more as they discussed in the vid.

[@lustyd]

@ I just need the basic features. I want a nice watch though so I pay more. It’s not a zero sum game, people buy the Instinct for looks, even Garmin have more full featured watches at that price point so it’s not a great argument.

[@wayne6181]

Hi guys, great comparison and thoughts segment. Just wanted to add that I'm a competitive mountain biker/hiker/runner/swimmer and I've been wearing the Instincts in various iterations over the past 7 years and the minute the Amoled version came out I was keen. I picked it up today and have been messing around with it and I'm sold. Still has the rugged feel, all the standard features and then some but that AMOLED screen is just amazing. It's also a lot snappier with the interface over past models. I've owned Epix Gen 2, Fenix 7, Instincts up to my last Gen 2X solar and this new Gen 3 Amoled just hits the right point for me. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

[@AthrunZalax09a]

I wonder if the lack of touch comes from using defective screens in the manufacture process - instead of their supplier scrapping screens which otherwise display but don’t work for touch means they can potentially reduce total cost by not being as picky. And if they don’t have enough defective units for demand, just disable it in software to keep it uniform.

[@adamluthfie7]

might be true. but i also think, it reduce cost since AMOLED is owned by Samsung. meaning that any other phone or device using this feature need to pay samsung for using it. maybe they can reduce this cost by disable the touchscreen feature

[@harrisonshao4537]

Where are they buying the displays? Some companies outside of the industry had to reconfigure their supply chain due to the upcoming tariffs, ending up have different product lineups.

[@TomikCoin]

Instinct Amoled are perfect for me ❤

[@billbrannon]

Just a comment on MIP vs AMOLED. I bought a Forerunner 965 and quickly returned it for an always on non-dayglo 955.

[@velthog]

Do either of you know if there is a Tactix 8 / Echo due soon.

[@mhe0815]

Yes, the Tactix 8 is rumored to release in the 1st quarter and be AMOLED.

[@DenBozhok]

Guy on the right about Garmin maps and way they could be better 😂 made my day)))

[@thecoconutjam]

I'll put my money on an Instinct 3S coming out this time next year with the new HR sensor. I'll wait for that! Great episode guys

[@thunpin]

The problem with amoled adoption is Garmin do the same what they did with the forerunners, all good features are only available in the amoled versions.

[@highseastrader4190]

What are you talking about? The Solar and the AMOLED have the same features.

[@thunpin]

@highseastrader4190 please read again. I'm not saying that there are changes in this version, but Garmin starts to do what they are doing in forerunners, adding good features only on amoled version.

[@highseastrader4190]

@@thunpin which AMOLED Forerunner has more features than its MIPS counterpart? Why do you talk about "starting to" if it's not about these new Instinct?

[@thunpin]

@@highseastrader4190 the only forerunner with mip display is the 55, unfortunately. But anyway, as some posted, amoled is the trend, so doesn't matter my thoughts.

[@pvaz]

As far as I know both the forerunner 955 and 265 enable all connect app features. I’ve just got my 1st Garmin, the 955, switching from an Apple Watch now that I’m taking sports more seriously. I do find Garmin somewhat expensive but everyone I know, that trains seriously, uses them and I rather pay upfront for a device that enables all features, than have yet another subscription based app. As long as they have a full featured watch for up to 500 without subscription, then I’ll probably stick with Garmin.

[@matousforman3594]

100% Agree with DC. I wanted Instinct to be rugged but with amoled display so I could switch from apple watch but this is not and upgrade. It is basically 2x with colors and that just not enough.

[@mrjkstark]

Honestly, I'd rather keep my AW and get an mip Instinct for whenever I need something a little more durable.

[@matousforman3594]

@@mrjkstark Yes, but as they said. I really love the 2x - 3 design and I found out that I do not need that much AW features.

[@radioactivecat]

I really wish they would keep everything exactly the same but switch the display to a color MIP display instead of AMOLED. That would be amazing! I absolutely love the MIP display on the Solar Fenix 8. Imagine having two versions: one with a black-and-white display and another with a color display for the Instinct 3.😊

[@danilpogrebnoi7501]

Is there a practical benefit of having Amoled? Yes, it’s colorful, but are there features that really use this upgrade, and/or features which are unavailable on Solar?

[@thefitfile]

The main benefit is simply screen visibility in dimmer/darker conditions. It's a huge difference. -Ray

[@ashcasson]

My Instinct 3 AMOLED upgrade from my Instinct 2X arrives on Tuesday. This was exactly the video I was looking for 😊

[@NYCnapeHb]

Doing the same, let me know how do you like the amoled one please.

[@harrypierce9612]

Good point on the touch integration already built into the screens. Is it possible that they have a mid cycle upgrade Instinct pro in the works that could have maps and make use of the touch functions?

[@xp_crow8112]

Fenix 8 updates?

[@RMILLSMMA]

Ref the chat about Amazfit scoring I've now had multiple Garmins two Amazfit and two Apple watch... And now a Oura ring... They all regularly say I've had a 85 plus sleep score pretty much every night... Despite having kids that wake me up pretty much every night at least twice! 😂

[@thefitfile]

Would you like to borrow my kids for a few nights? Will solve that real quick... (-Ray)

[@GadgetyMV]

About the Amazfit Active 2 potentially not receiving updates: I'm a Samsung Galaxy Watch user, been on Wear OS for almost 10 years, but Google's and Samsung's absolutely atrocious handling of updates where features are left broken for 18 months and not acknowledged by either of the two players makes me realize they're not worth the extra money. Apart from being broken, updates are partly retrogrades, removing features that have been working. So, when it's time for a new watch I can go with something like the Active 2, and at least I will save several hundred dollars without losing or missing much of anything, except the irritation of having over-paid and having been hussled.

[@MountainStorz]

I nearly sold my Enduro 2 and bought an Instinct 3 Amoled, but the lack of maps and older HR sensor held me back

[@cubiq1]

Guys! I noticed the Instinct E photos on Gamin's website show an Elevate V4 sensor. Are you sure the HW is based on the Instinct 1?

[@terryoleary8219]

No reason to update my Instinct 2 Solar. Same heart monitor. The "2" and newer "3" both last about a week (or more) without charging which is great for camping. I am not religious about Amoled versus Mips. I could not care less that my watch looks "rugged" or not. I hope the "3" tracks GPS better where i swim beside hilly areas. I am most interested in GPS tracking my activities and showing how my lifestyle improves my health stats i.e. quality of sleep, heart zone during exercise, intensity minutes

[@chriscarpunky]

If the instinct 3 has touch screen, elevate 5 sensor, flashlight and maps then why on earth would most buy a Fenix except for ecg and dive? No one hardly would pay an extra $600 for dive features and ecg. It’s probably marketing where they are wanting to sell more Fenix 8. The higher price the more profit.

[@thefitfile]

For the same reason people buy an Apple Watch Ultra over a regular Apple Watch: Better hardware, better materials, bigger displays, better battery life, etc... There's plenty of other software features to differentiate. (-Ray)

[@mmh129]

Yes, but you can also buy a Epix Pro and ge almost the same features for less than half the price of the Fenix 8

[@chriscarpunky]

I would not speak for others. Almost every reviewer and comments on the reviewers page is shocked an outdoor adventure watch doesn’t have maps. I agree with you regarding the heart rate sensor.

[@IvanMarchesini-u4w]

I believe we’ll see the Instinct 3 Pro or an Instinct 4 soon, addressing all the complaints. I can’t imagine Garmin ignoring their only rugged-focused line, especially considering the significant changes they’ve made with this new generation of watches. I feel optimistic-we just need to give it some more time.

[@georgoutdoors7533]

Garmin needs to start a trade in program

[@camahueto_AON]

Am I wrong to apply logic and think the Instinct E with an Instinct 1 body and an Instinct II Processor will deplet battery... like fast.

[@felkerino1]

Ray predicted an AMOLED Instinct 3 a couple years ago. Des is right that the 3 fits in the right spot in Garmin's lineup of latest watches. You're basically looking at a rugged Forerunner 255 MIP/265 AMOLED (without the touchscreen) at a roughly similar price bracket. The Instinct has always been a midrange watch, I guess you guys are saying "midrange" should now include maps to be competitive?

[@MrUled]

Garmin doesn't exist in a vacuum of their own product lines. There's intense competition

[@thefitfile]

I believe in 2025, maps should be baseline for a $500 watch. Frankly, it should also be baseline for $400 watch that's aimed at going into the mountains. Just my two cents. (-Ray)

[@felkerino1]

@@thefitfile I see Instinct as a "follower" product, meaning it's kind of the final iteration of the 255/265 generation. It's had some odd limitation to make it the junior watch, like lack of Sat IQ on the 2X. Seems like the next gen 200 series would get maps first and then those make their way to the Instinct line.

[@felkerino1]

@@MrUled Fair point, but I don't see direct competition for this style of watch, which seems to be Casio or Amazfit, which Ray and Des have rightly pointed out is feature packed and accuracy challenged.

[@mhe0815]

If Garmin made their version of a whoop band, so just an Elevate gen 5 or even better, slap a solar panel instead of a display on it and hence have it sport infinite battery runtime, it would be an absolute killer. Just the sensor package without GPS and all the UI. Basically a vivosmart solar sans display but with all the activities.

[@micheller999]

Thank you for this video. Always look forward to watching because of the details provided. I went from a Fenix 7s Pro to an Amazfit Balance because the heart rate sensor more closely matches my heart strap and it is lighter. But that app, why don't they finish it and make it work well???? Such a disappointment. But the Aura AI saved it when asked about the high scoring. The AI will review the actual data and give more realistic feedback than looking at the readiness score.

[@mindbalance_cc]

Garmin / strava, others… really need to add unicycling - mountain and road/distance. Sure folks can laugh, but seriously it would make my life and many others really darn good 😄🤞

[@terryoleary8219]

On my Garmin Instinct 2 solar I can nominally add Unicycling as a sport. It is saved as a cycling sport. People don't get that Heart rate, energy used, skill level, distance travelled are different for Unicycling, road Bicycling, Mountain Bicycling. Leaderboards for different types of cycling need a basic way to easily compare "similar equipment" on similar routes. Strava is the company who chooses to be deaf to this need.

[@jeffbarrick6826]

I have a Fenix 5X sapphire and have used it since 2018 as an avid hiker. When it finally dies there is a good chance I go with an Amazfit product. It’s hard to justify the cost of today’s Garmin products

[@iTor]

Thanks for the episode guys! I would have needed an Instinct 3 with the newer sensor and an all black/gray body... and maps would be the cherry on top but not really *needed* tbh. What I think is that Garmin is reusing the MIP displays of the 2 and 2x because they might really cost Garmin some dollars and they are trying hard to extract all what they can. Maybe in a year and a half we get a "Pro" (how I hate this trend, ugh) with a better screen if they can find it and the new sensor and maps. And of course an all black version to yet again upsell on design choices.

[@scottdonnelly2472]

Roots 🙌

[@mmh129]

What's the opposite of a device killer? Because Garmin just gave Amazefit the lead in the rugged category. Maps was the biggest drawback of the T Rex 3, by not including them in the Instinct 3 it's not an issue anymore when compared side by side. Garmin converted a rival's con into a pro. Some map usability is better than no maps.

[@Cst519]

Seriously... Garmin has so many model and yet it's unable to deliver a well-rounded product for each market segment

[@jeffbarrick6826]

I have a question for the tech guys. Why don’t we see AMOLED screens with solar?

[@thefitfile]

I don’t think we’re there yet with solar efficient making enough of an impact with the power needs of AMOLED (Des)

[@DurgaPrasad-ks9em]

why is no other KZbinrs reviewing Instinct 3 besides you guys? yeah, I WOULD NVER WANT AMOLED in Instinct!!!

[@thefitfile]

I see other hands-on videos on KZbin out there. Like many product launches, Garmin had it at CES and had a media event there as well specifically for Instinct 3. Having done the CES dance before, I suspect most of the media had to prioritze the rest of CES as a show, over focusing on a single product. And once the show was over, they probably slept for 3 days, given how exhausting it is from a media standpoint. Or, they drank for 3 days. Same-same. (-Ray)

[@bootcastpod]

If the 955 solar is on sale currently for the same price as the instinct 3 solar, since the heart rate sensors are the same, would I get more features out of the 955? (Minus the flashlight of course 😅)

[@daolivedo]

955 has maps, not the Instinct.

[@thefitfile]

Yes, software-wise there's more features on the FR955 for sure, since it's gotten not just maps, but all the FR965 features. (-Ray)

[@nathe0923]

What if the processor wasn’t powerful enough for maps to run properly

[@thefitfile]

Certainly another possibility (Des)

[@maks_zbogar]

For your information, my readiness level on my T-Rex 3 is 69, following six hours of sleep.

[@gertlutter7927]

Ray, any plans of Samsung Ring review, now that it is available in some of the EU? Still looking forward to something that collects health data while wearing a non-smart/sports watch and something that isn't tied to Oura ecosystem.

[@thefitfile]

Yeah, I'll probably pick one up, though I'll wait to the 21st or such, since there was also a rumor of a V2 ring. Sadly, my expectations are low for the V1 ring, given even non-technical reviews focused on how bad the accuracy was - I suspect reviews such as our testing would be downright horrific. :-/ (-Ray)

[@maxwellr01]

The lack of offline music is really a head scratcher. It seems like the spec of the Instinct 3 AMOLED is pretty similar to a FR165 with a few extra activity profiles and multiband (does it even matter??) but less storage, no touchscreen (really??) and no offline music? It really doesn't make sense to me that this is priced at $450. It should be $299.

[@sosllc]

If I'm going to buy an Intinct for $600, then I have no problem getting a Montana 760 and HRM 200 to go with it

[@jakeva9802]

Not impressed with the recent releases from garmin. I am going coros pace pro.

[@VadimAndreyev]

Sapphire ans steel - that's why Amazfit is just better

[@RaghavWate]

At some point regardless of all the features vs price point frontier discussion, accuracy of hr, gps and ABC sensors against the gold standards should be published by all reviewers. These watches are now used heavily for health metrics so we need to be careful about cost/value tradeoffs

[@thefitfile]

Not sure I follow? Both of us do extensive accuracy testing of these products. Frankly, nobody does as extensive accuracy testing as we do. (-Ray).

[@RaghavWate]

@thefitfile yup was proposing that these kind of reviews (along with the in-depth ones you both do in few months) be the gold standard so that price point click bait stops. One could go seriously wrong if they buy a low accuracy watch based on price point

[@michealjaymurphy]

For me the amoled display isn’t about this update it’s about what this means for the line going forward I don’t want or need thrills hence why I bought the instinct over a Apple Watch

[@BlackMupit]

So why is it that the Fenix 8 Solar is ~$100 more expensive than the Amoled model, but this relationship is reversed with the Instinct watches? Maybe something to do with adding touch to a MIP screen but I feel like that is a stretch. Also I feel like Garmin's strategy with the current generation of devices is way out to lunch. Hear is hoping they come out with a 47mm Enduro. Infact, whoever was leading the Enduro 3 project please give them a raise.

[@dusandojcinovic8105]

The reason why i move from Fenix 5x pro to 2x is: Torch, solar, batt.life, weight, NFC and some Fenix 7 features. This is the very "dont need" upgrade. I dont need amoled and touch. So, Garmin is hitting new generation and loosing it with prices. So from my point of view upgrade is very very questinable. In that range Trex 2 and 3 are better devices.

[@lboutside]

My partner is looking to get herself a watch, she doesn't really want to spend a whole lot of money just wanting some basic tracking for activities and steps etc. I was going to get her a second hand venu 2 or something similar but this active 2 is really making me wonder if waiting on the UK release for that is more sensible. She isn't tied into a brand and it feels like I'm pushing for her to get into the Garmin ecosystem more for me than her 😂 the only thing I'm a bit dubious of is the length of time it would be supported for but then again I expect a Venu 2 isn't going to be supported for much longer either (assuming it still is)

[@Snapshot.Geo07]

If amoled had a solar i would insta buy it

[@pruteanu6]

why didn't put the elevate 5 HR sensor ??? garmin are soo overpriced with the Fenix series .... they should have put the new HR sensor in instinct

[@LesampaPeTute]

I don’t think Garmin didn’t do proper market research or user requirements analysis. The AMOLED Instinct 3 has two problems: it doesn’t have maps, and it didn’t get the new HR sensor. However, hardcore hikers don’t use the Instinct; they buy the Fenix series, which comes with maps. And for those who aren’t hardcore hikers, they use the Garmin Explore app on their phones, which works in offline mode, so it’s not a problem. As for the older HR sensor, it’s not great, but the same logic applies as with the maps. If Garmin included these features in the Instinct, the Fenix 8 series wouldn’t have good sales numbers.

[@MateHegyhati]

It will never happen, but imagine an Instinct 3X (color! MIP) with basically an F5X level of mapping, Elavate 5....

[@cubiq1]

We are now screwed if we want a smaller 40mm Instinct. Thanks Garmin 💛

[@martinbarrett11]

If Amazfit put their Active 2 into a more rugged casing like their Active Edge, then it could kill Garmin Instinct, and I'm a Garmin Instinct owner currently...

[@adamluthfie7]

on the surface, i definitely don't like the price range of Garmin. but they know the quality of their product, that's why they confident with their price tag. lets be real, the only competitor with same quality with garmin is either apple watch or Coros. but apple struggle with battery while Coros is still struggling to convert their fitness watch to smart watch.

[@Tacoking8891]

I have a few counterpoints to the instinct 3 criticisms. My first is, why are you comparing it to older models in terms of price? Garmin keeping older models on the market for dirt cheap is their most consumer friendly strategy. You always pay a premium if you must have the absolute newest model. Garmin watches typically last 5-7 years. I still have the original vivo active and an 8 year old forerunner. The active’s batter finally failed (left uncharged for too long), and the forerunner is still going strong. It’s great to inform consumers that due to new models the old ones will be steeply discounted, but to criticize the new model because the old one is now far cheaper is just misplaced. For the gen 5 sensor would be nice, but while most want ECG, very few people actually utilize the feature outside of the elderly. It is more accurate in some specific scenarios but is basically the same most of the time. Maps probably should have been included, but doesn’t out me off. If I am in a situation where I need a map, my phone is definitely with me and much easier to use, even for offline topo maps. Also, why not mention the durability aspects this watch has that other competitors don’t? It’s aesthetic? Those are all major pros for this watch. I love the discussion, but I thought those aspects of the discussion were either downplayed or missing entirely.

[@NYCnapeHb]

There was a rumor about tucking coming with Instinct 3, did it make it out?

[@thefitfile]

I'm not sure if you meant trucking or rucking, either way, neither are in the Instinct 3 insofar as I can tell. (-Ray)

[@NYCnapeHb]

@ haha rucking(autocorrect), thank you for the reply.

[@dcz1656]

28:31 let's be real, it is no option, it's a forced choice: they will treat the MIP models as lower end in terms of software, as they do already and wtf is that mandatory orange accent with the Solar? (Non existent on the amoled, like people who like the practical MIP instead of the shiny battery eating amoled must be some weird freaks who want to just differentiate themselves from everyone else)

[@EugeneKee]

No maps on instinct3 solar? It's crazy given the price of that watch. But how about the fenix 8 solar? Does it have the maps?

[@tabletennischn]

Waited Instinct 3 for a while, wanted 2S new version. Will buy 2s "old version", E is pretty much crap, battery life worse that 2S, no solar 40 option

[@icaroluca41]

❤ Just so nice to look at your videos!!! And yes this Active2 will be for me!!! hay 9:41 from Italy 🤙🏻🤜🏻🪂

[@abestoz]

Hahaha I watched the Garmin HRM Strap to see finally if they've combined everything in just one strap, so no

[@aaakmm1785]

In your video you both said multiple times that prices of Amazfit are "too good to be true", that "they are too low", etc. But you take your rich country point of view. For the rest of the world this prices are not low, not even close to be low. Garmin, Polar, etc. prices are ridiculously high, almost mind boggling high to the degree I don't really know what I am paying for. Amazfit prices are still high for average non western consumer but they are somewhat manageable.

[@Checque]

After 5 years in the garmin ecosystem of wearables, I made the switch to a series Apple Watch and then to an ultra 2. I don’t think I’ll ever be active enough to get back into the garmin world. The integration with the Apple world is too damn nice to ever give up. I’d imagine the majority of people with iPhones will have that same feeling in they ever give any Apple Watch a chance

[@cubiq1]

How are you finding battery life? That is the biggest complaint I hear from Apple Watch users

[@Checque]

@ that’s definitely the biggest hurdle coming from a Garmin device (that and customizability of watch faces). You honestly get used to doing a quick charge during a shower every day. About 30 minutes a day will get you everything that you need. I’m using the watch about 1-1.5 hours everyday in GPS mode so I’m not an adventurer, but it’s more than enough for me. There are apps like Athlytic and bevel that will use apple health data and feed similar recovery data to whoop and garmin too.

[@Bullet_1987]

I think so too. A little longer battery life on apple watch and Garmin is in deep trouble

[@Checque]

The battery life and the lack of customization of the watch faces are truly the largest negatives that I have found with the switch. The battery life is far more overblown for me though. My charging regimen is just take it off while I shower and that 30 minutes is enough for a full day of use for me (1 to 1.5 hours in GPS mode). The thing that I truly miss the most is the connectIQ store with the multitude of watch faces available. Being locked into a select few from Apple has been my largest detractor, but even that isn't really all that bad.

[@JDmuso]

My only question is how is the Garmin Instinct 2 and all of its variations still full price after the release of the 2X and 3 versions?!! Garmin might just be the greediest company out there and that’s saying a lot

[@Dnserror88]

Where are you located? And are you looking at buying from Garmin directly? I just bought the Instinct 2 for €149 brand new from a local electronics retailer (Belgium).

[@JDmuso]

@ I’m located in the US. I appreciate the info, thank you! I’m actually looking to buy an Instinct 2 Solar Tactical and that’s still $450 at all online retailers here except for some refurbished ones on Amazon that are still going for well over $300

[@TheDudeQB]

I suspect the Instinct AMOLED lack of touch screen has to do with the Instinct's lack of processing power.

[@Bullet_1987]

Hmm did not Garmin let you talk more negative stuff about the new watch? You missed the sensor!

[@thefitfile]

Could be worth another watch or listen regarding the sensor (Des)

[@Bullet_1987]

​@@thefitfileso sorry. KZbin music really sucks. Phone in my backpack and still it skipped over 20 min of the podcast. Happend three times now

[@mart2.n]

I still don't get why you ignore Huawei. In US ok, but this is more popular brand in Europe than Garmin for sure.

[@user1914]

Most of the guys commenting here has 0 marketing and sales knowledge. Maps, last version of sensor and so on... Why not touchscreen... Bla.. Bla... Remember - this is a perfect entry level watch. If you want better, than you can have Forerunner, than Enduro and then Fenix. I had many friends buying another Amazfit-style rivals of Garmin... Now they all moved to Garmin.

[@david168-d6f]

All I want is a compact Garmin watch with maps on it. Is it too much to ask for them to put maps on the Venu in 2025? Garmin has like 50 different models, but they insist on gatekeeping maps only for their most expensive series like 965, Fenix and Enduro. Pretty much all their competitors offer maps on their $300 watches, and while still inferior to Garmin, they are quickly improving, while Garmin is just sitting in place, repackaging 5-year old watches as "new".

[@david168-d6f]

and no, a $450 watch should not be considered "entry level". At that price point you should expect more than a gutted Epix pro without maps, touch screen, smaller screen, older HR sensor, etc

[@user1914]

@@david168-d6f Ive said that under another discussion- Check the smart watch from Casio, same money, what offers to the market. Lets say Rangeman GPR-H1000-9E. Then compare it to Garmin. As Im also long time Casio owner I can tell you- Casio solds out that series faster than hot bread in a bakery. Why? Because many people, like me, still want a watch not a smartphone. Im doing daily and week long hikes since 2012. Also I have like 150 days+ traveling abroad for work... Never asked myself "Maybe will be easier to have a map on my watch, than to open my 6 inch perfect smartphone and check it". Instinct is Garmin world without being unnecessary smart. If I miss maps, navigation, phone and so I will just buy little more expensive one.

[@lbgstzockt8493]

A $500 smartwatch without maps in 2025 is embarassing and hostile towards your consumer, regardless of marketing bs.

[@Filthysvk]

Entry level watch is Forerunner 55, not watches for 500 dollars bro 😂🤦

[@JohnDoe-vq4cq]

If the instinct 3 solar has really illimited battery in ideal conditions, then the watch is great. No other brand offers illimed battery. If it had maps and last gen sensor, why pay double for the enduro 3? When Amazfit will make a solar illimited battery watch with latest sensors, color maps etc I will change my opinion.

[@Tacoking8891]

I have a few counterpoints to the instinct 3 criticisms. My first is, why are you comparing it to older models in terms of price? Garmin keeping older models on the market for dirt cheap is their most consumer friendly strategy. You always pay a premium if you must have the absolute newest model. Garmin watches typically last 5-7 years. I still have the original vivo active and an 8 year old forerunner. The active’s batter finally failed (left uncharged for too long), and the forerunner is still going strong. It’s great to inform consumers that due to new models the old ones will be steeply discounted, but to criticize the new model because the old one is now far cheaper is just misplaced. For the gen 5 sensor would be nice, but while most want ECG, very few people actually utilize the feature outside of the elderly. It is more accurate in some specific scenarios but is basically the same most of the time. Maps probably should have been included, but doesn’t out me off. If I am in a situation where I need a map, my phone is definitely with me and much easier to use, even for offline topo maps. Also, why not mention the durability aspects this watch has that other competitors don’t? It’s aesthetic? Those are all major pros for this watch. I love the discussion!