Garritan Abbey Road CFX Concert Grand & KAWAI VPC1

[@AndrewKeyz]

That wobbly stand would piss me off big time.

[@simblethings]

Tell me about it! I've been living with one as bad for a while now, but hopefully upgrading in the bext few weeks 🤞🏽

[@gusbakker]

Great pieces selection and playing! This sound quality is really good

[@zazkbass]

Hey man! can you please save the preset that you used and give us the abillity to download it?

[@gb3496]

+1 YES! Please! :)

[@kuuderepiano2988]

It's called Dark Cinema, I think it's already installed into Garritan

[@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin]

@@kuuderepiano2988 Yes, it IS already installed. Thank you for your hint! I really wanted Garritan to sound more realistic when playing the MIDI, and your hint is going to be helpful for my own setting.

[@JoseVGavila]

You need an sturdier support for that VPC1!. Mine sits on a heavy desk and that helps a lot

[@la-civetta]

Very nice demo!! Now please invest in a piano stand!

[@diegotacchi]

HI, can you share velocity curve in vpc1 and cfx? tnx

[@AdrienBeauquierPianist]

Hello MusclePianist, thanks for your nice video ! I have the same configuration as you (VPC1 + full CFX Garritan), but I can not obtain the same beautiful sound as you do. You would be very nice to show me your settings and response curve you use ! Thanks very much ☺️

[@MusclePianist]

Hi Well... I didn't do anything special, just use some build in EQ and other parameters. I don't play around 4 months so I don't remember what exactly I changed but it wasn't some extreme set :)

[@townnet]

Is the reverb effect direct capture from the CFX? Or do you edit the reverb effect from 3rd party software? How do you get the sound so loud? My recording the sound level is pretty low.

[@mrlink2003]

That sounds great

[@alpay389]

i wished kawai would offer a wooden stand like they offer for kawai es110. it would make it possible to put the 3pedal unit (which is always included to the vpc1) at the right place

[@tyrvintersol916]

Build your own. It isn't difficult to do so.

[@tyronusullus8520]

Świetna robota. To brzmienie jest cudowne :) jakby sie komus nudzilo a znalby praktycznie te wszystkie kompozycje od 1:55 to bylbym wdzieczny za tytuly :)

[@MusclePianist]

Później podam w opisie listę utworów. Musiałem szybko wyjść jak wrzucałem film :)

[@MusclePianist]

Trzymaj, wrzuciłem do opisu ale tutaj też masz :) Brzmienie jest niesamowicie potężne, jednak próbki nieskompresowane jak inne (Ravenscroft zajmuje 6GB) dają niesamowitą szczegółowość brzmienia i detale, realizm jest niewiarygodny. 0:54 - F. Chopin - Polonaise Brillante 1:06 - S. Rachmaninoff Prelude in g minor op 23 no 5 1:18 - L.v.Beethoven - Fur Elise 1:35 - F. Chopin - Polonaise A Major op 40 no 1 1:56 - F.Chopin Nocturne in c minor op 48 no 1 2:32 - R. Addinsel - Warsaw Concerto for piano solo 4:12 - W.A.Mozart - LAcrimosa (Arr. by Arkadiusz Jastrzębski for piano solo) 4:31 - F. chopin - Prelude in e minor op 28 no 4 5:04 - P. Pietschmann - Dark Knight 6:01 - F. Chopin - Revolutionary Etiude in c minor op 10 no 12 6:10 - F. Chopin Etude op 25 no 12 in c minor 6:20 - Some funny ending :P

[@tyronusullus8520]

Dziena :)

[@josephtsai331]

Great video and playing! I purchase CFX after watching this.

[@ebonyivory149]

I must tell you that the keyboard stand is very stable

[@sleonis_]

Hi man, I REALLY need that answer. Did you touch anything on the velocity curve of the VST ? Or simply let the linear original curve ?

[@MusclePianist]

I change it a Little bit, I was changing it a different ways until I find setings good for me

[@sleonis_]

@@MusclePianist ahhh not good news, I was looking for a keyboard that feel like a real piano without changing any velocity curve..

[@MusclePianist]

@@sleonis_ impossible, doesnt exist keyboard good for everyone

[@sleonis_]

@@MusclePianist It is, i'm actually talking to a famous pianist which told me he was record Garittan CFX without changing the velocity curve, and his records are awesome

[@okay1904]

​@@sleonis_ It depends on what keyboard controller he was using. It could be just by good fortune, that the keyboard controller the pianist is using perfectly matches the default MIDI mapping of Garittan CFX, and also matches the pianists personal preferred touch response. Usually its almost impossible that all three aspects will match perfectly, keyboard players personal touch preference + default velocity mapping of layers in sampled piano + default velocity mapping of keyboard controller. Unfortunately most of the tools used to achieve this mapping, which are included in the sampled piano product such as Garritan CFX, or with keyboard controllers, do not have extensive features for adjusting velocity mapping and matching all of the three factors I listed above. Search for a VST MIDI plugin called MidiCurve - an excellent MIDI velocity re-mapping tool, which you place between the MIDI inputs of your DAW and the sample player plugin, to adjust the "feel" of your keyboard controller. I have found it to be the best tool for my needs. The settings are saved withyour DAW project and you could also export the settings and recall them for each sampled piano you use, so even if you changed your DAW, you can reuse the settings in any other DAW, by recalling them. I build a library of settings for each of my sampled pianos, so I can use these in any project. The most current version is here, as one of the plugins in the suite of pizmidi/pizjuce plugin collections. Unzip/Extract the bundle and you will find the MidiCurve plugin.

[@ionianaudio]

i was wondering about the settings of your garritan cfx ?

[@gb3496]

+1 Me also! Could you please share your settings for this?! :)

[@jean-paulgrimaldi-lasserre7886]

I concur, you should purchase a more secure piano stand. It's very distracting to see a wobbly keyboard but otherwise I do congratulate you on your superb demonstration using the Garritan software. I'm very impressed with the sample of the Yamaha CFX Concert Grand.

[@eric10511]

what are your settings(presets) for your garritan cfx?

[@gb3496]

+1 Please share your settings :)

[@alexmagor]

They did a great job recreating the piano. Now I just wish someone would do a steinway B the same justice.

[@alpay389]

i agree and i recommend to watch a video about pianoteq steinway b video. maybe you will like it

[@alexmagor]

@@alpay389 Never liked Pianoteq

[@dynoroad]

Synthogy makes a lovely sounding B, though I can't attest to its authenticity.

[@meenakshimishra4426]

It sounds amazing! I wanted to know does it work with Ableton live 10? Also, can we record it without a DAW? Does it require Aria player to use as plug-in In Ableton live 10? Does it come with Aria player? Sorry for so many questions but I can't find the answer to them anywhere

[@MusclePianist]

Aria player has vst plugin. I use it with DAW, free Reaper. I don't used it with abbleton so I cant tell, but it is pro software so should work fine.

[@meenakshimishra4426]

Thanks for your reply:) I don't know the use of Aria player actually. But I have read it somewhere that it is required in order to use garritan with a DAW.. Is that true?

[@MusclePianist]

Aria player is free, you can download it :)

[@MusclePianist]

But yes, you must use aria player if you want to use Garritan

[@simblethings]

@@meenakshimishra4426 I use Garritan Personal Orchestra 5 with the Aria player inside Ableton, it's great! Although the piano isn't as good as this CFX!

[@fontexstudios]

is the VCP1 the best keyboard action available to use with VST?

[@MusclePianist]

If you want to have the most realistic piano action vpc is still best choice

[@_trismegistus]

@@MusclePianist MP11 has the slightly higher end Grand Feel action. But it is a couple generations old now, still excellent though, but has had some issues with maintenance after a couple years, look up tape issues in the action. VPC1 is still excellent.

[@chanya2249]

@@_trismegistus I wish kawai launch a revision like VPC1SE with grand feel action, I was considering buying a used VPC1 sometimes i saw anormal space between key on used keyboard did you noticed that as well ?

[@rrjjgg101]

Hi Dear....I own Kawai CA 78.love this Garritan cfx piano Sound n wanted to use for ...I mostly Play Pop/ Popular/ Film Score. What's your opinion on Garritan Cfx or any other comparable Or better suitable VST for my Above mention requirement? I am totally new to Vst...Any advice or suggestion will help me in Better Selection of VST.. Thank you.

[@MusclePianist]

You asked me about my opinion but what do you want to know? What I think about your setup? I think is enough good :)

[@rrjjgg101]

@@MusclePianist Thank you for your reply...Wanted to know quality of Garritan CFX Piano Sound or any other better sounding Piano Vst for Pop/ Popular / Film Score.. What you think Garritan is better sounding Piano? Thank you.

[@MusclePianist]

@@rrjjgg101 Much much better

[@davidnguyen975]

Fantastic playing! Gives me chills. Do you still use the garritan? If so, what is your overall output latency? Thanks!

[@MusclePianist]

I still use garittan but I don't have much time for piano because I work a lot

[@davidnguyen975]

I see! What is your overall latency through the vst?

[@ragestacker]

@@davidnguyen975 how do you see the latency? On kontakt i can see it but on aria player i cant

[@mmg1972mikee]

Amazing skill, what's the name of the piece at 3:15?

[@alanlej]

Richard Addinsell's Warsaw Concerto in Piano solo transcription. Composed for the british movie Dangerous Moonlight which the director initially asked Rachmaninov to do the soundtrack. Addinsell tried mimicking Rachmaninov style of composing hence It is why it sound you'll find out it sounds very Rach-like. Piano transcription sheets can be found easily

[@SkeptikFR]

You're great!!

[@AnimeProAnimeonPiano]

Do you export your audio through the CFX Garritan software or through your DAW?

[@MusclePianist]

I use DAW. REAPER.

[@ancapaveldamilano5167]

Bravo bravissimo.....Garritan Cfx +VPC1 ( die besser an die Welt)

[@NadimCompo]

I love it ! Also a Reaper lover. I'm considering getting this VST to match with my Kawai MP6. :) Are you getting latency while playing ? Edit : You play so well, good job !!

[@MusclePianist]

It depends on the settings you use but I do not exceed 10ms.

[@NadimCompo]

@@MusclePianist You handle it very well with 10ms, I also get 10ms latency and it seriously bothers me. Anyway thanks for the reply, great channel !

[@muiscman807]

I have my latency set to 2.9 . I get no cracking or popping and I'm only using a processor equivalent to an i3... I would have trouble playing at 10 ms.

[@jamesrichardson8140]

Hi there, can anyone recommend a good velocity curve setting for the VPC1 with Garritan?

[@sakefchowdhury9668]

You face velocity issues with the VPC1 ? I thought the VPC1 is a controller where you wouldn't need to go through all these velocity hassles

[@jamesrichardson8140]

@@sakefchowdhury9668 I'm not 'facing issues' necessarily. But you can customise the curve, and I just wondered what the optimal settings for Garritan would be. As it is, I'm just using the default setting

[@sakefchowdhury9668]

@@jamesrichardson8140 oh ok.. Glad to know, btw just wanted to ask. How does the VPC1 feel to play with the garritan CFX ? Is it truly god like as many says ? :P

[@jamesrichardson8140]

@@sakefchowdhury9668 tbh Im a noob and still in the early stages of learning, so I'm at a pretty basic level and not really qualified to answer. I will say that the VPC1 does feel fantastic though.

[@sakefchowdhury9668]

@@jamesrichardson8140 well you're very lucky I should say owing what I think is the "Ferrari" of digital pianos / midi controller :p. Hoping someday I can buy one for myself

[@FTF96]

Did you have any difficulty installing this? My CFX Player keeps insisting it cannot find the samples that it's own installer installed. Very infuriating.

[@tsukit]

How did you set up for recording? I have Yamaha N1 and CFX full software. I connect MIDI from piano to usb of the computer using MIDI-to-USB cable and record it with Logic Pro / GarageBand. My sound output doesn’t sound as full, spacious and deep as yours. It’s kinda of thin and soft.

[@elias7748]

Aren't there any settings for the VST? Just google it and you'll find what you need to do. I know that MusclePianist is using a lot of reverb so try putting some reverb in the VST.

[@weedstud]

Is it able to achieve that sound by Pioneer audio system(/w its own speakers)? Or you need external monitor especially for piano? Also is it troublesome since you have to turn on the computer every time first (not right away) to play.

[@MusclePianist]

You can use even pc speakers but audio monitors are much better for it :) Remember that isn't a piano, it is controller which must work with pc and software so you must always turn on computer.

[@gomanfong4077]

what preset is that?

[@alpay389]

please dont spam this question. just scroll through the comments and you will find your answer.

[@alpay389]

you say that you get 10 ms latency. does it depend on the audio interface?would i get less latency with focusrite solo 3rd gen audio interface and i5 9300h cpu(laptop)?

[@MusclePianist]

Yes, it depend on audio interface :)

[@ekidekin559]

​@@MusclePianist Hello! I have a little question about that. How would you plug the VPC1 with an audio interface like a focusrite (scarlet solo for example) ? I have a vpc1 but I'm lost I don't understand how to plug it if I buy a focusrite, could you please tell me? I can connect the VPC1 with USB, but using a XLR cable with the midi out going in the focusrite would give lower latency ? Or would you say it is the same as plugging it with USB? Thanks

[@muiscman807]

10 ms. To me that's a lot. I play mine at 2.9 and I don't get any cracking or popping. And my processor is only about the equivalent of an i3...

[@nikt7883]

Hi. Do I need anything else except the keyboard and the software on a pc?

[@MusclePianist]

Yes, audio interface with midi

[@zazkbass]

@@MusclePianist or a usb cable which you can directly plug in to your computer, or a midi to usb adapter. (No the midi to usb doesn't add more latency.)

[@fmurtadho]

How did you record this? from the standalone player or?

[@MusclePianist]

I use DAW REAPER.

[@maulcs]

How's your vpc1 pedal? Is it sufficient? Have you tried the MP11SE btw?

[@maulcs]

@@zumadale That's unfortunate, mine is working well so far. What I do have an issue with is the key tops - there's about 7 that apparently have become partially unglued and they click when hit at a distance. I'm supposed to receive a complete replacement once it's back in stock.

[@maulcs]

@@zumadale I have Pianoteq and I had already done this when I initially got the VPC1. But I just did it again, and it looks fine - the corresponding values are where they should be in relation to the pedal being depressed. Have you considered that it might be something on your end?

[@maulcs]

Are you using some kind of extension or added 1/4" connectors? I don't know, I'd look into other possibilities, because mine is functioning as it should, and there aren't very many reports about pedal malfunctions these days.

[@maulcs]

@@zumadale Hey, so it looks like I'm having a similar problem now. And it occurred after having the pedal just sit there for a couple weeks when I barely used the keyboard. Do you know what causes it? Dust particles? Why the hell would it just start getting messed up out of nowhere. I do have to admit, that's totally unacceptable. They should be putting together an optical replacement, instead of just continuing to sell these.

[@maulcs]

@@zumadale Thanks for the response - I was reading a thread yesterday about that optical conversion, but the site that hosts the file is down. Any way you can link to it here (need to make sure it's not auto-removed by their filters)? Or email it: [e-mail] I'm due for a VPC1 replacement for the key issues I mentioned, once they get stock, but now that I know how prevalent and real this pedal issue is, it's very concerning. I mean, it's still usable, but I do not have precise control over it like I used to. I'm betting a lot of people aren't very adept in half pedaling, or just don't pay attention to the finer details. When you have the pedal sound on in a VST, you can hear it activating when it's not being pressed - that's how I first noticed it. Then it'll sometimes spike up to 120 when pressed, making half pedaling useless. Even though I like the heavier action of the VPC1, this makes me regret not going for the MP11SE, extra money or lighter action be damned. The MP11SE still has slip tape issues though - I guess this stuff just goes with the territory of these Kawais, and it's something I'm going to have to deal with until they release GF3 slabs. I think I'd pay an extra $1,000 just to not have any more issues like this. I'm going to have to follow your instructions and try to fix it, because I don't think I can play again with a clear mind while it's like this. Just hope I don't break the thing, then I'd be in trouble. A KZbin video would definitely be awesome, could help a lot of people - because for every comment someone makes about this, there's 10 others having the issue silently.

[@dede-sm7sl]

Do you use custom settings? You want to share them :)?

[@alpay389]

he answered in a other comment: "I Used standard setting for full classic piano. Changed EQ a little bit, more bass." you are not the first person who asked this. ^^

[@European-ye7ne]

where does sound come from ?

[@MusclePianist]

Headphones connected to audio interface.

[@karantiwari4750]

How to install and register it?

[@MusclePianist]

Well, You must buy it :)

[@karantiwari4750]

@@MusclePianist it's too costly..

[@MusclePianist]

Yes, but good products cost more :) It worth that money.

[@karantiwari4750]

@@MusclePianistdo you use audio interface while recording?

[@MusclePianist]

@@karantiwari4750 yes, but it isn't necessary, but I use it because it has midi :)

[@BruceBurger]

omg the notes are so low it's creating an earthquake! :0

[@MusclePianist]

Yes, low keys sounds powerful and realistic

[@danielpereira8132]

why does it wobble so much?

[@MusclePianist]

Cheap stand and very heavy keyboard :)

[@alpay389]

instead of spamming the question "what settings do you use" you could just read his answer. you are not the only person who wanted know that.

[@alpay389]

5:04

[@TeD-Piano]

Nice playing man.I would like to buy garritan cfx too.Can you tell me how do you get the sound out live when playing?you need some external speakers or can you block the piano internal sound and just have the vst sound,but dont you have lag then...?

[@MusclePianist]

You need audio interface, I Use Presonus AudioBox USB, with M-Audio BX5 D2 studio Monitors. My KAwai is only keabord, It doesnt have any sound engine, You must use it with PC.

[@TeD-Piano]

@@MusclePianist OK so you connect the interface to external speakers which gave the sound.I have the same interface but I still connect the headphones to the piano because I hear buzzing when connecting to the interface and not as clear sound

[@nynate33]

@@TeD-Piano did you get it to work? I am thinking of doing the same thing.

[@s.bpiano]

what is your setting with cfx

[@MusclePianist]

I Used standard setting for full classic piano. Changed EQ a little bit, more bass.

[@gabrielpiano7]

Genial

[@spectral2341]

The VST almost sounds amazing. The noise on the some of those samples, such as 1:56 is horrible though, pretty much ruins it.

[@mr.c1989]

I tried replaying this at the point you suggested. May I ask for further clarify as to what your ears are picking up that you dislike?

[@_arturjutkowiak_film]

Fantasting playing but the woobling keyboard is unacceptable.

[@JPDC624]

Doesn’t seem to affect his playing, lol

[@paulirineomontano5074]

Nice playing. What speakers do you use in your studio? The sound is really great.