Garry Winogrand and his Crooked Horizon Lines [Street Photography Tips] (2018)

I'm curious. Who do you like better, Garry Winogrand or Steve McCurry? Let me know in the comments below and why.
Garry Winogrand has some very crooked horizon lines in his street photography, but does that mean he should straighten them? We'll find out why not in the video! I think he's got a great eye and captures some very spontaneous moments. Garry Winogrand was a very prolific shooter and shot millions of photos...literally millions! Within the video you'll see clips of awesome documentaries showing his shooting style. It's really hilarious to me. I've adopted this technique in my own street photography and it works perfect every time.
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[@AdamCzarnowski]

Winogrand was a genius. Anybody who has tried to do street will know how impossibly difficult his effortless elegance and brilliance is to achieve.

[@jerryzeidenberg6736]

The angled horizons and lines in Garry Winograd's work contribute a lot to the energy in his photos, something he is well-known for. We see this when you leveled the horizons in the video -- suddenly, the pictures look much more calm and sedate. I think he knew what he was doing, and they weren't just random shots taken too quickly. He was after a feeling, and he got it! Very good video Tavis, I enjoyed it!

[@IPOXstudios]

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

[@chefurka]

For me, straightening a horizon in post/darkroom has a very different effect than endeavouring to straighten it at the moment of exposure. The former is an aesthetic choice that depends on the image. Doing the latter enforces a formalism on the image that can make it feel more static - it takes an extra effort (and time!) that isn't related to the subject, so it automatically reduces the spontaneity. I've been guilty of enforcing straight horizons for 50 years. After watching your video, this insight may help improve my spontaneity in the time I have left. It's never too late!

[@tonykeyworth3522]

Straighten/not straighten for me depends on personal choice based on the look and context of a particular image. Main reason Winograd's shots look spontaneous is that his whole approach is about spontaneity - zone focused prime lens, making shots on the move, in and amongst his subjects. The crooked horizons are a symptom of that overall spontaneity although I'm sure there is more deliberation on Winograd's part than sometimes appear to be the case.

[@IPOXstudios]

Tony Keyworth thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

[@danishphoto]

Great video, Tavis. This video made me understand a great bit more about Winogrand and his photos

[@IPOXstudios]

Daniel Hoffmann thanks for watching!

[@MileyonDisney]

It was hilarious watching him fiddle with his camera and his glasses - pretty slick!

[@IPOXstudios]

I agree, he's pretty entertaining to watch! Take care!

[@IPOXstudios]

Doin' The Pigeon thanks for watching, I’m glad you enjoyed the video!

[@BMRTV]

Really enjoyed the analysis of photos to demonstrate the ideas.

[@uncanny_bassman]

Good topic, well made mini-documentary, 2 thumbs up!

[@IPOXstudios]

F.M. H. Great to hear, thanks for watching!

[@RoadtrippinwithTakacs]

Nice video, Tavis. Keep it up. 👍 I simply enjoy hearing your analysis on all types of artists and their works.

[@IPOXstudios]

Thanks for the support, I will! Take care!

[@JosVerheijden]

Thank you so much for this great analysis. What I espacialy like is when you straighten a horizon to show the difference. Most pictures that you showed lose their power with a straightend horizon.

[@IPOXstudios]

Thanks for watching and commenting! It's great to hear the things you liked in the video. I'll keep the videos coming, take care!

[@elrafaga]

THANKS for this video.I had no idea aboutthe crooked horizon. This is something I do a lot but on purpose. Never kenw why until I looked at a bunch of street pics I'd taken one day and realized I do it when I read there is danger or some kind of instability in the air.

[@IPOXstudios]

Rafael Edwards great to hear, thanks for sharing and watching 🙏🏼

[@Mitcheb4]

Fantastic video! Thanks for the helpful overview of his style and comparing it to how you thought through your work as well. Cheers!

[@IPOXstudios]

Thanks for watching!

[@BenjaminBphotographer]

Great video! Your thoughts on the the photographs are insightful and useful.

[@thehishamahmad]

Nice one. Thanks! 👍🏻

[@horoshuhin]

Great info on street photography. Garry winogrand is definitely inspiration. Found your channel through Barnstone. Keep it up.

[@IPOXstudios]

That's great to hear, Barnstone is legendary! :D Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@autistechlens8691]

Love this video bro! I see a lot of GW in how I shoot. The whacky moment, fiddling with the camera to get away with it etc.

[@IPOXstudios]

He was awesome to watch in action! Thanks for the support!

[@meghanalexander1994]

Loved this one. Thank you!

[@RogerKeith74]

I'm happy to found you. Very nice video. thanks

[@IPOXstudios]

Roger Bloemers thanks for watching and commenting. I’m glad you liked the video :D

[@chrishowitt9654]

Really enjoying your videos, somehow stumbled across your content on You Tube and it really helps me to define who I am as a photographer, what makes me click and how I edit. Everything I watch, including yourself, is a great learning curve. I thank you and everyone else contributing to the art of photography. Maybe one day I'll do my own videos.

[@IPOXstudios]

Chris Howitt thanks for the nice comment, I’m glad you’re enjoying the videos. Definitely do some videos to help others when you can. Take care!

[@fenet8717]

rly insightful, thank u

[@IPOXstudios]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@k1773ns]

i always straighten out my photos. but this is making me feel like, i should try not to care about that aspect as much especially in my street shots. thanks for the inspiration!

[@IPOXstudios]

k1773ns yeh try it out, I think you might be surprised. You’re welcome, thanks for watching!

[@merlinmarquardt]

Don’t see or understand why straightening spoils the esthetic.

[@MrV2u]

I’ve always straightened my images. Now after seeing this I doubt I would again. Great video brother.

[@IPOXstudios]

MrV2u good to hear, thanks for watching!

[@stanleyomar]

I saw a career-spanning Robert Frank exhibit last year where the were able to place negatives and contact sheets next to the final prints and he actually cropped a lot! I think the point should be to produce the most powerful image in the end, and you may not have to crop if you like all of the details in the scene, but I don't see anything wrong with shaving portions off an image if it helps you better focus what you found interesting when creating the photo.

[@IPOXstudios]

Kevin Jones thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

[@badgerag]

Great insights, thank you.

[@IPOXstudios]

badgerag you’re welcome thanks for watching! 🙏🏼

[@thegreenwoodelf8014]

Thank you for bringing this photographer to my attention....😲... love your images 🙏🏻🙏🏻 I try and compose a non crop-worthy frame composition before I shoot. Like before digital images, when you had fewer window moments to frame stuff you were seeing

[@fatherchristmas2998]

great images

[@artemorbid]

Great content. I had never heard of Garry before, thanks for the post.

[@IPOXstudios]

artemorbid thanks, I appreciate it! Yeh he’s a good one to know for sure 👌🏽

[@4NDR3190]

I always straighten my images, but I didn't know how to shoot like this. Yours and Garry's pictures give more dynamism to the pictures. I will start to shoot like this. Thank you for the video that inspired me a bit more.

[@IPOXstudios]

Glad you liked the video, thanks for watching!

[@sydene54]

You're great, generous; I just paint (with a little astrology on the side). You absolutely amaze me. Can't get enough....and thank you for being in the world.

[@IPOXstudios]

Denyse LeBlanc thanks for the nice comment and support! 🙏🏼

[@misterruggles9736]

came across by chance. interesting. subbed.

[@deepujs]

useful points.. i have a tendency to crop the picture. But i will rethink on it now onwards.

[@IPOXstudios]

Deepu J.S. Best of luck, thanks for watching!

[@alexlee3227]

I've been straightening a lot of my images but, after watching this very interesting video, I will certainly be going back to which ones might be better if I leave them as they were took in the moment. As for cropping; I do think something we shouldn't be afraid to crop but I also try not to do it unless it's necessary. Getting everything right in camera is something I'm training myself to do. I'm currently using a 28mm focal lenght 95% of the time, so seeing how GW used it is a good education for me. Great video!

[@MeumGaudiumRivegauche]

Nice one. Thank's!

[@IPOXstudios]

Thanks for the support!

[@abriefhistoryoftwopeoplein2732]

I enjoyed this video. Always fun to see your take on photographers. I'd love to see you do one on Martine Franck. As far as Winogrand or McCurry goes, well, that is hard to say. Winogrand has some really great, genuine, and sometimes humorous moments captured of people in their daily lives. And as you've shown the crooked horizons he has give a sense of spontaneity and a frenetic feel. McCurry's photos seem to just entrance me. I don't know of it is his use of perspective lines that give his photos such a sense of depth, or his color theory, or use of (What appears to be) strong diagonals. So, I enjoy both. A bit of a cop out answer but I can find plenty of images from either that I really love. Also, as someone very new to the whole dynamic symmetry composition thing I have really enjoyed your channel. I keep researching into it further and further and taking in youtube content from you, Adam Marelli, James Cowman, and of course Mr. Barnstone. Basically whatever I can find, haha. I recently finished the Michel Jacobs book on dynamic symmetry and yes, I have your books on my need to read list too! Anyway, point is, thank you for the content! It has been interesting, entertaining, and educational.

[@IPOXstudios]

Interesting request, I'll see what I can do :D I love her work! I have to agree with you on both Winogrand and McCurry. Completely different styles, but both really inspiring! Thanks for the nice words on the channel, I'm glad you're enjoying the videos so far. I really appreciate the support!

[@herbprattle5054]

Travis has already distorted and misrepresentation the compositional aspects of Cartier- Bresson. Please don't do Martine Franck (his wife). Let her rest in peace.

[@gottanikoncamera]

I think the slanted horizon, I think slanted sounds more purposeful than crooked, funnels our vision towards the point of interest and out of the frame. It works. Love your back flip shot.

[@jiminnewcastle]

Very good; I learned from it.

[@IPOXstudios]

Thanks for watching!

[@hafiz2664]

Another great content Tavis. Hope you can cover more works from photographers. While i enjoy the dynamism of a painter's work, i find it too perfect for me. Kinda like "too much of a good thing is a bad thing". I much prefer a photographer's work because of it's spontaneity. The random imperfection in a photo which is perfect in it's own right. Something like that. Works from Garry Winogrand certainly don't hit all the ticks in the world of Dynamic Symmetry (the diagonals and such) in my opinion but i've come to realise that it isn't all about the lines. Other aspects in the arsenal of Dynamic Symmetry can be used interchangeably and you'd still have a well composed image. I used to think that it's all about hitting the diagonals and arabesque and everything but upon further research and understanding, i realised that i've been wrong this whole time.

[@IPOXstudios]

Thank you for watching! You're right about that, dynamic symmetry is a tool and not a rule ;) Capturing a remarkable image is more than just the diagonals of the grid. There's a lot to consider when it comes to visual perception, clarity, unity, rhythm, arabesques, contrast, balance, and telling a story within a photo. Thanks for all the support! It sounds like you're really absorbing and understanding the content well. Take care!

[@error60091]

First, thanks a lot for your channel, your books and discussions on gestalt principles... a true and hidden gem... as for cropping, I personally try to frame the shot as correctly as possible so that I don't have to crop later, but sometimes I and as I'm sure many others will realize that cropping sometimes may be necessary after the shutter's been clicked... HCB may have been a purist, but I think people should not limit themselves when it comes to cropping (at least the ones who are already well familiar with the rules)... also, one's vision/perception of the scene at the timing of shutter click and their vision for the image afterward may change as well, so I think it's fair and ok to leave cropping open as an option... in regards to Winogrand and his crooked horizons, I will say first that as some others have noted here that crooked horizons work in the sense that they pull the viewer's eye toward moving/active elements on either side of the frame, like a visual gravity or weight... I've also noticed this in your books where you show your original shot with a crooked horizon and the simulated/straightened version... some dynamism is lost when the horizon is corrected... finally, I wonder whether there may have been some natural causes involved with Winogrand's crooked horizon style... like, maybe because of his stance/the way he stands and the way he placed the camera against his face and just his general way of shooting... I mean I'm only speculating, but I say this because in my case, I love straight horizons and try my best to align the horizon when I click and the intent to have a straight horizon, but sometimes I still get a crooked horizon... this video made me realize all this

[@richardsimms251]

Great video. RS. Canada

[@IPOXstudios]

Thanks for watching!

[@ronaldquint]

I enjoy the different perspectives.

[@IPOXstudios]

Thank you!

[@davieltaveras7064]

esta clase de videos son buenos por que presentas teorias en la practica y tambien hablas de otros fotografos y asi se aprende del pasado.

[@IPOXstudios]

¡Gracias, buen comentario y apoyo!

[@joer1402]

Good analysis.

[@IPOXstudios]

Joe R thanks for watching!

[@barrycohen311]

I like these kind of things.

[@jimijamsham]

i always prefer vertical lines to be straight. I shoot so fast that i cant always get that however if i can in post and it still works. that is wonderful

[@JohannesLabusch]

Loved his show at the Metropolitan Museum in NY about a year ago. He reminds me of Tom Waits ... great advice on the issue of cropping. I'll definitely be more reluctant to crop and straighten everything. Also: "The betting average is bad when shooting from the hip." ... I feel like flip screens (like on my Fuji X-T2) have made a huge difference.

[@IPOXstudios]

Johannes Labusch nice to hear, I wish I could’ve seen one of his exhibits! Glad you found some value in the video. Yeh, the flip out screens are perfect for shooting from the hip👌🏽

[@miguelmarquez3877]

Nice job !

[@IPOXstudios]

Miguel Marquez thanks for watching!

[@MamboFerido]

I don't think the crooked horizon is his style but rather the result of photographing spontaneously. He's one of my favorite photographers.

[@IPOXstudios]

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! He’s one of the best!

[@sLOMO_77]

Spontaneity and maybe world view/perception. Theres an anxiousness and chaotic nature present that reads too as movement even in stills. That with his fidgeting and some of what hes said in that documentary make me think this. Hes also a fav of mine.

[@bivboy10]

Interesting bud👌

[@IPOXstudios]

Thanks!

[@blueridgebill3763]

Back in the day, on many occasions, I observed Winogrand working. To the uninitiated he appeared to be suffering from Tourette's Syndrome. I considered photographing him photographing other people but rejected that as not being cricket. It was a great show just watching & very instructive & inspiring. He appeared to be a man obsessed, especially with women. I guess you need that passion to be good at anything.

[@IPOXstudios]

Wow, that would've been amazing to see! I didn't realize he was suffering with Tourette's syndrome. That's unfortunate, but he really did some amazing things with his camera :D Thanks for sharing your story and for the support!

[@Phi0794]

Thanks for sharing :-)

[@MrPaladin123]

"To the uninitiated..." this means he APPEARED. he did NOT Have any thing wrong with him. It was a 'ploy' . He knew he was using this 'quirkiness' to get the shots.

[@Frisenette]

Blue Ridge Bill you should write something on your experiences. It would be gold for many people.

[@gingerkitty4]

thank you so much wonderful

[@IPOXstudios]

You're welcome, thanks for watching!

[@topturn9653]

me too-very good work

[@IPOXstudios]

Top Turn thanks for watching!

[@MrCalvinGu]

I wished I had seen this video sooner. I was wondering whether I should straighten out an image I took or not; this helped me decide that I shouldn't!

[@IPOXstudios]

Glad the video helped out, thanks for watching!

[@guanacodebike4472]

You must. Its extremely disturbing Horizon that is not straight...

[@jzf128]

He is a genius.

[@robertbutts9835]

Awesome work ..love your video I love the idea of not straightening the image . I spend so much time trying to straighten .. do something on Robert Frank

[@IPOXstudios]

Thanks for watching!👌🏽

[@sydene54]

Steve! strong visual statements using language of colour in composition

[@StuartHerrington]

The photo you mention where you said it was low and possibly shot from the hip, it actually looks like it was shot out of a car window perhaps, judging by the bottom left hand part of the photograph which is a solid element out of focus, due to it been close - could be the car window when rolled down.

[@IPOXstudios]

Stuart Herrington good catch! I see that now and someone else noticed too. Thanks for watching!

[@stefanol9272]

I always been a big fan of Gary winogrand

[@lensmanm4]

They are so entirely different. Period. McCurry is the perfect face of Nat Geo. Winogrand is the imperfect face of American Society.

[@angrd020]

This was one of the most fantastic, fun and fact filled videos on a photographer I have seen in a long long while. I thoroughly enjoyed it and your editing style. Have a great day!

[@IPOXstudios]

Thanks, I appreciate the support! :D

[@johnharrill864]

If you consider a guy who has never met the man he is talking about making a bunch of random assumptions facts then yes, this is a fact filled video.

[@miks48]

Ultimately, a great photo is first and foremost about its emotional impact, not about its geometry.

[@hudster1969]

Good video, interesting to see Winogrand's style and some really interesting photos. But cropping isn't a bad thing and Henri Cartier-Bresson did crop his photos. I agree that straightening the horizon can detract from the organic feel of an image.

[@gcymous9160]

I will love an honest crooked photo capturing a moment in black and white over any so called "fine art" or commercial photo any day . ken heyman , eugene smith, brassai , bresson , the photographers who got work through the FDR New Deal , etc are most precious to me .

[@vinylisland6386]

Winogrand was a genius.

[@fatherchristmas2998]

I’ve never heard of any one going to a art gallery and people looking down the edge of the painting to judge if the painting is has sharp at the edges has the middle

[@IPOXstudios]

father christmas very true, thanks for watching!

[@zpolukuchka]

also it gives some sense motion to the subject even if that monition is on the photographers part

[@IPOXstudios]

zpolukuchka thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts 👌🏽

[@Steyreon]

I think the crooked horizon is just a side effect of the snappy way he shoots. To me it looks like he just doesn´t care about it. And there will always be an other straight line somewhere in the pic because by tilting the camera you straighten other lines that would otherwise be tilted. To me he just doesn´t care about geometry but only about the motif. I mostly shoot the very same way, about motif, not about frame.

[@IPOXstudios]

Steyreon that’s a great response, thanks for watching!

[@JamieJobb]

Winogrand's SLR required him to click forward each frame, so passers by knew when he was shooting. The modern DSLR shooter can mute the "shutter" -- and with no film to be advanced, the cameraman doesn't need that bother. Wonder what spontaneity Winogrand could have evoked with a modern camera?

[@liverpix]

I do straighten my crooked street photos but only partially.

[@paulgurcules4271]

The thing with Garry Winogrand's crooked lines happened because he didn't compose his shots. He basically shot so fast that had no time to pose and many of his great "street" photos happened by chance.

[@IPOXstudios]

Paul Gurcules thanks for sharing your thoughts!👌🏽

[@Frisenette]

BS! They are obviously composed. It’s just that straightening the horizon takes longer than composing. He made a virtue or point out of not caring about the horizon.

[@zrinkomaloseja2615]

Great photos. Would've been even better with a straight horizon... :)

[@IPOXstudios]

Zrinko Maloseja thanks for watching!

[@Thurston.Howell.the.3rd]

shout out to Harry Perry @ 3:00

[@room111photography5]

I love Winogrand and Eggleston. Many of their shots ran afoul of all the "rules" of composition, and that is why I love them.

[@IPOXstudios]

Room 111 Photography you have great taste in photographers, thanks for watching! 👌🏽

[@Phi0794]

Exactly. I always say do what you do regardless of what other say is right and never bow down to opinions. If you want to stick your subject in the corner then do it. The Painter Degas cropped his subjects which were ballet dancers off the edge of the frame, this was a new thing in painting due to the advent of photography. Nowadays people say don't crop limbs off the edge of the frame, but why not. No rules apply in my world. :-)

[@IPOXstudios]

Thanks for watching and commenting! That's a great perspective, and Degas was amazing!

[@vinzenzbraun3148]

Man, you remind me of Pau Gasol 😅

[@IPOXstudios]

Lol thanks!

[@davehenderson9105]

If you have a richo GR you can hip shoot better I have heard. But I dont do it very much personally either unless I have a flippy screen I can look down at.

[@IPOXstudios]

Dave Henderson you’re right, I have the GR3 and shooting from the hip is so fun! It was really impossible when trying it with a 50mm. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@igaluitchannel6644]

Crooked horizon lines. Have you ever seen a Van Gogh or a Cezanne? Would they be more interesting if they were photoshopped to straighten the vertical and horizontal lines? I once had a photo of mine criticized this way when I had intentionally skewed the perspective.

[@IPOXstudios]

Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

[@emagine45]

The irony is that one of Henri Cartier-Bresson’s most famous photos (guy jumping over a puddle) is cropped.

[@iino2ii]

3:30 the hand with the camera on the left and the shadow below it shows another photographer. I wonder who that is... 🤔

[@Zlin0035]

probably my favourite spontaneous image i've captured link to it below: instagram.com/p/B4e1rKfnUqa/?

[@tempest01100]

Was this video shot on a boat?

[@IPOXstudios]

haha, no it's in my mobile studio...a converted 15 passenger van. Thanks for watching!

[@rajnandy7472]

In the the clip of Garry at 7:02 he isn't referring to his use of a tilted angle in his shots, but the use of a "view camera" or large format camera by others to achieve "parallel verticals" to get away from the barrel distortion visible on vertical lines when using wide lenses with a 35mm camera. He sees no benefit to this.

[@equaliser2265]

Life is not uniform, it's the image that counts, if it's interesting or sparks a memory that hits your soul.

[@kurturholt]

The "hip shot" you refer to, of the man and woman on the sidewalk, is probably taken from the inside of a car, that is why the angle is low. No "hip shot".

[@IPOXstudios]

Kurt Urholt thanks for watching! Yes that makes sense thanks!

[@John-do9ei]

You talk about this subject kind of like I would have when I was 17, walking around LA with an F3, trying to be Winogrand, like it's some kind of gimmick to create a particular feel of spontaneity in an image, (but really to create an image of the photographer as being spontaneous, the ethos of spontaneity, like as if this is the key to greatness). It's telling that you cut the interviews right before Winogrand goes into the very interesting philosophical and aesthetic reasons for doing this. I was hoping I could use this for teaching materials, but ultimately it falls short. I encourage you to read stuff like Jacques Derrida, Ed Said, Gayatri Spivak, as much or more so than the photo commentary, to help you understand how something like this might be challenging to a received aesthetic that might be wrapped up in things like colonialism, patriarchy, white privilege, stuff like that.

[@maxshelltrack9720]

In street photography you're not thinking of getting a straight image you don't have time your trying to get the poeple honestly until I came across this video I never realized it.

[@IPOXstudios]

max shelltrack thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

[@fatherchristmas2998]

we don’t use a spirit level on our eyes were we see things

[@juliusw6007]

8:30 that was shot out of a car wasnt it? Look into the left hand corner

[@IPOXstudios]

Great catch, it does look like that was shot from a car, which explains the lower angle. Thanks! :D

[@juliusw6007]

Tavis Leaf Glover Sure mate, really enjoying your videos, especially the one on dynamic symmetry, really opened my eyes.

[@IPOXstudios]

Julius W that’s great to hear, thanks! 🙏🏼

[@ashleydarby3652]

@10:32 if he had straightened this one the subject lady would have been at a really strange angle which proves that the idea of keeping the horizon level is rubbish because it also depends on how the horizon fits in with the pan of the image relative to the subject

[@IPOXstudios]

Thanks for checking out the video and sharing your thoughts!

[@jimijamsham]

straightening an image works if it works... spontaneity is one thing ].. fixing the photo after spontaneity is ok if it works

[@mrdre1019]

I enjoyed this,, not accurate but interesting

[@pabcasado]

8:23 this one is not shot from the hip but from its car.

[@IPOXstudios]

Pablo C great thanks for letting me know. Thanks for watching!

[@pjhoury2072]

The horizon line question is moot. Garry talks in the video used (but not included) about disguising your intention. Look like you're trying to control your camera-like an amateur, when you make the exposure. Make your capture like this. He often worked like this.

[@IPOXstudios]

PJ Houry thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

[@alejandroalvarez1544]

Raise, lift, aim, but instead “whips,” ha.

[@David-yt6kp]

Photography is an art form as much or more than it is a science. Yet everyone wants to set boundaries the artist can be creative within. No cropping, straight horizons, rule of thirds, and so on. If no one stepped outside those boundaries, what a boring art photography would be. I like Garry's style, and I like it that he didn't let others tell him how to do what he did. I wouldn't dream of telling Van Gogh how to paint. Don't tell me how to make a picture. People either like your art, or they don't. Obviously, they liked his.

[@IPOXstudios]

David cool, thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!

[@Drobek6]

I am frankly tired of people knocking an image down, just because of a crooked horisontal line. If the rest of the image is spot on. I really love Garry´s work. Personal when I shoot street, i never think of the horisontal line, there is just no time, when you see a great shot. It can be gone in a second.

[@AllenMaestas]

The guy wasn’t even composing an image, he didn’t even look through the viewfinder. He knew his focal length, and basically just picked up his camera to his face and took the shot. He was a perv, and didn’t want to ask them because he didn’t want them to say no. He basically got lucky and would imagine that he had more terrible images than good ones. That being said, it’s what made his images captivating, so go figure.

[@IPOXstudios]

Allen Maestas thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.

[@DouglasShoemaker]

I find it hard to compare Winogrand with McCurry...too different. B/W vs. Color, exotic vs. domestic, "seedy" vs. "painterly". I might hang a McCurry on my wall, but for me Winogrand belongs in an album that I might look at privately when I want to see bosoms in unguarded moments. I feel a little dirty or voyeuristic looking at Winogrands work (e.g. sneaking peeks at the crotch of the cyclist). He does capture the "decisive moment" in a way that would make C-B proud, but instead of grabbing scenes that speak to the universal condition, he creates visions of a stolen and bawdy burlesque leveraging the context of an anonymous city. That in and of itself creates tension that is engaging, and a narrative with impact (although possibly base). I wonder if Winogrand's photos have the same attraction among female viewers? What if the subject of your flipping beach boy picture was, instead of a healthy young boy, was a tipsy sorority girl on spring break doing that same flip? If you caught the moment (of being airborne upside down), but added a revealing glimpse of a bikini trying to keep everything in place, plus a foreshadowing that she wasn't going to peg the landing, you might have a modern-day Winogrand. It goes to show the power of content and tension in delivering impact. Screw the technical details.

[@IPOXstudios]

Thanks for the great response! I see your point of view, thanks for sharing.

[@Frisenette]

What a claptrap of pseudo intellectual, PC, mock academic BS. Listen to what the man has to say on his own work. Or actually, you know, look at more of it than the few “cherries“ picked on the web.

[@Tyrell_Corp2019]

“ Crooked horizon lines“ is the same for me as saying crooked brushstrokes. There can be no such thing.

[@Riverrockphotos]

Here's my opinion and may not be worth a whole lot. But if there is a lot of fast action unless it is being repeated over and over and over again, if you have a straight horizon it looks more staged.

[@IPOXstudios]

Very true! Thanks for watching!

[@myoung48281]

Don't listen too much to the neg. comments here, Tavis, this is about your take on Winogrand and that's why people subscribe to your videos. By the way, that guy dressed in white on roller skates is still around, I bought a CD of his one of my trips to Venice Beach.

[@IPOXstudios]

mark y thanks I appreciate that! 🙏🏼I never let it get to me. That’s funny he’s still rollerskating around! Living the dream.

[@Frisenette]

Tavis Leaf Glover perhaps you *should* let it get to you. At least a bit.

[@Frisenette]

9:45 you never ever “ask for a photo”. Then you are into something completely different.