Is the NEW Odyssey Square 2 Square Putter Technology the same as Lab Golf?…

[@neiltaylor1765]

LAB offered me support as a #disabledgolfer and the club has changed my game, putting was always pretty good but it's still been game changing

[@dougrobison3130]

I have had the Jailbird S2S for 3 weeks. Putted very poorly the first time out. And then I figured out to aim it with the forward press. Now I’m putting great with it. I used to have a “garden gate” open/close putting stroke, but I have found that with the forward press I am behind the ball more and now have more of a “back and through” stroke. And the white hot insert is perfect. It’s a keeper for me.

[@CharlotteK2008]

Blows the L.A.B out the water for price and looks…. Bravo Odyssey 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@ianllewelyn9658]

Having suffered in the past from the yips, I find applying the small forward press just before pulling the trigger really helps me

[@thomascairns4216]

If you check their website, you are supposed to press it forward until you don’t see the white of the face

[@garymartingolf]

Not everybody reads the website, see the comments above. This video has already helped one user.

[@jwheels9876]

The putter has 3 degrees of loft, I'm surprised it has to be forward pressed like it does. I have one and i can putt with it either way but forward pressing until the white is not showing doesn't feel right to me

[@thomascairns4216]

Well it might feel strange, which it does, but according to what odyssey’s website that’s what they expect you to do, but putting is more about feel than anything else, just look at all the different ways people grip the club and how many different kinds of putter designs are out there, so bottom line is, if it works for you Don’t Fix It embrace it👍⛳️

[@lkae4]

@@jwheels9876 How does it roll?

[@waynevoss4194]

I did that. But the problem is it delofts the putter to much. So i only the forward press on long puts and then medium and short putts i deloft it until i only see a thin white line.

[@labrat96]

Thanks for the useful tip - I’ve been struggling with the ball jumping on long putts for a while and will now try pushing my hands forward like you did.

[@garymartingolf]

Brilliant! Glad this video has helped someone 🤟🏼

[@paulaskey1508]

I’ve tried a couple of LAB putters, and they were very good, however I simply can’t afford them. I tried (and bought) the No7 style Square to Square at 1/2 the price. Personally I couldn’t differentiate overall performance between the two, in fact I prefer the Odyssey white hot insert face. I might just be lucky but having seen this I tried you “can balance test” and mine definitely came completely back to square every time.

[@garymartingolf]

Brilliant! I guess if anyone is shopping for one, it’s not a bad test to try! May aswell get the best one lol 😃

[@Joker-yh2xg]

Thanks for the video. I’m curious and waiting to see what the Bettinardi Antidote looks like in the revealer and in comparison to these other putters in the same category.

[@ronchappell216]

I don't see it on their website, but when I look at the Jailbird on Golf Galaxy their description says it has a "built in forward press". This might be an upcoming birthday present for myself : )

[@samcooper4984]

I think this will be my next putter for sure

[@Jaredxstp]

This s2s putter is really nice when i was testing one out and I almost bought one until i found out about the shaft lean so instead i went with the lab since the handle forward presses automatically. I wasn’t trying to learn how to do forward presses I would prob be chipping it on accident forgetting to keep the putter pressed. Also you been killing it with the content!

[@garymartingolf]

I’m the same. I’ve put a standard super stroke on my lab as I wanted a thicker grip but I’m messed it up. It’s still Zero Torque, but I don’t like to have to feel a press stroke so much, and I’ve forget myself a few times already on longer strokes. I would like to order a couple press grips and test it on this putter to be fair.

[@Jaredxstp]

@ the s2s would be killer with a press grip you should def put one on. That putter did roll really good even without

[@chrisduffield2747]

@@Jaredxstp Done it ! Fixed all the issues imo with Odyssey. Adore Grips £30 well spent.

[@Jaredxstp]

@@chrisduffield2747 I’ll have to check those grips online

[@tommiethatcher7265]

Fantastic demonstration Gaz and well played odyssey 👏👏

[@paulburgin3594]

If you don’t press forward you will have 6.3° loft that’s why you’re getting the ball to chip. There’s 3.3° of press so when you press forward, and you can’t see the white insert, there’s only 3° of loft on the putter. I’ve got the #7 style putter.

[@garymartingolf]

@@paulburgin3594 honestly, this putter with a press grip on could be lethal! I do like it, I’m just not used to pressing forwards.

[@gregcarnall9097]

It's not about zero torque its about which putter holes the most putts, i think everyone is getting carried away with the torque question, you have to applaud LAB for creatin the buzz around something we never knew we needed? :)

[@GOLFADDICT65]

agreed

[@benjaminfuller8121]

You guys may not own a Lab😂

[@jwheels9876]

@@benjaminfuller8121 If they did, they would have said so, like every other person who owns one does 🤣

[@jamiecordingley3754]

Gary, would love to see a video on the varying lab grips, pistol vs the other they have?

[@grahamwilcox4027]

Odyssey will sell loads of square to square putters, they have familiar heads, inserts and grips which will appeal to a lot of golfers. They have already had models that work best with some forward press and it doesn’t take much to get used to it. They will also be available in most shops so can be tried and fitted easily. Plus the price point is more appealing and it won’t be long before used models will be available at a slightly lower cost. A lot of putter confidence comes from how it looks so another plus.

[@garymartingolf]

I don’t disagree with any of the above, I think you’re right on all parts.

[@ScottDreyfus]

I want to try the odyssey but I avg sub 28 putts a round for the last 3 years . Why futz with perfect . It’s a similar concept to how my build is but I’m in a very bespoke build . Odyssey 2m cs 400 gram head , x100 8iron shaft and iomic midsize for F0 swingweight and I just fill it up from 12 ft and in. I make more 30 ft putts with a blade but miss a ton from 5. What’s the point of making 2 bombs a round if you miss 5 short ones. I just performed better with a face balanced putter than a heel shafted blade. I can feel the face staying square longer . I hate what it looks like but it’s the results that matter .

[@gripitandripit]

I’m curious to see how the Evnroll zero putters move in the revealer.

[@michaelbowers6904]

Waiting for the £25 version from Slazenger 😂

[@cynt1111]

As sold by JJB

[@mattwells3818]

Great video. Are you going to try the Evnroll Zeros when they become available?

[@garymartingolf]

Yes of course. I do like the theory and feeling of zero torque myself, so it’s a topic I’m really interested in atm. Looking forward to testing more!

[@Pud56]

Watch Iona Stephen at the Scottie Cameron barn, they talk about how the ball jumps in the air, and how they adjust set up and refine the players stroke, to putt with a consistent roll. Its the best putting video i have ever seen, it really breaks down how putters are designed and what tour pros do if they have been struggling with putting

[@johndomutz1052]

I saw that one and really enjoyed it.

[@jimsngo7368]

Hi guys can you try odyssey square 2 square double wide next time, thank you and more power to your channel

[@KentnDebi]

Sueno is a lovely resort Gaz. Are you going to do some course vlog on their courses whilst you're there? It would be a shame to miss out on the weather and conditions available to you. On the putter...I wonder if you've tried it or the L.A.B. putters in the device that PXG use to market their Alan putter? That could be an interesting exercise...

[@garymartingolf]

We have done some and they’re coming soon! It’s not gone well on camera, I’m Going to have to have some golf psychology coaching because I’m going from playing unreal off camera to hacker on camera and it’s really starting to get me down. I would love too, but I can’t get one. I’ll will though if they’ll send one 👌🏼

[@KentnDebi]

@garymartingolf I thought you had a good relationship with PXG? It might be worth giving them a call and seeing if they are interested. I 100% get you about the playing pump on camera against off... Looking forward to seeing the Dunes and Pines again 👍👍👍

[@danielwarren2355]

​@@garymartingolf It's gone great on camera 😂

[@johndomutz1052]

Nice review. Thanks 😊

[@chrisduffield2747]

Got a press grip on mine , works well. Agree should have been on from launch.

[@crankin7662]

What grip did you use?

[@crankin7662]

Which grip did you use?

[@chrisduffield2747]

@@crankin7662 Hi LAB golf Press 3 degrees

[@chrisduffield2747]

I used a LAB Golf Press 3 degree grip

[@crankin7662]

@@chrisduffield2747 Thanks man. I thought about trying that as well. Decided to stick with the DF3. You going to stick with the Odyssey?

[@harrykorver9690]

Nice weather in Belek @Sueno golf! Have fun

[@garymartingolf]

It is, although it’s going to rain for an entire week from (the day we leave) tomorrow. We got very lucky!

[@harrykorver9690]

@@garymartingolflet it rain, I am flying out the 11th of January. Hope it’s as blue skies as you had

[@philipbennett1039]

Gary, if you put a LAB 3 degreesp ress grip on , does that mean the face is de-lofted by 3 degrees?

[@garymartingolf]

Yes. The shaft will be leaning automatically, so weirdly, you don’t feel like you’re forwards pressing when you’re holding the club.

[@philipbennett1039]

@garymartingolf with that in mind, the putter will have no loft on it. The way I understood all the recommendations, is that you should have loft on your putter but doing this would make it a zero loft putter. Unless I'm mistaken of course. I'm sure someone will putme right.

[@garymartingolf]

@@philipbennett1039 it doesn’t work like that. I’ll do a video on it.

[@cynt1111]

I struggle to see how the revealer works. Surely the putter grip should be supported each end . No putter is supported part way down the shaft?

[@coreyvanular6195]

Tried the square to square at the golf shop I absolutely hated it 😂 the regular jailbird cruiser was way better in my opinion I hit them back to back

[@GOLFADDICT65]

i want the jailbird as a regular putter double bend i tried the LAB putters and i never saw an improvement on my putting i play off a 8 - 10 handicap I just do not see the 1100 canadian dollars difference compared to a 350 dollar putter just sayin

[@garymartingolf]

I hope the video didn’t come across as me trying to deter anyone from buying a odyssey, I mean, as I’ve said, I’ve used them for many years myself as you get so much technology for the money. In terms of Lab, I think they’re the bench mark for zero torque, so whether we can afford them or not, I think it good to compare against.

[@GOLFADDICT65]

@@garymartingolf thx for your response cheers

[@albertcheng5653]

I purchased my first LAB DF3 for $569 Cdn off of Golf Vault. This is the stock model with 69 def loft and steel shaft. Absolutely loved the way the DF3 performed and opted to upgrade to a custom DF3 with my lie angle (provided virtually through LAB off a video putting against a door frame), ACCRA shaft and counter balanced grip. With a recent 20% discount from LAB, the purchase price was nowhere near $1100 Cdn. I am putting out of my mind with this custom DF3. One would have to pry this stick out of my cold dead hands !😂

[@CharlotteK2008]

Putter isn’t supposed to be played in middle of stance. It’s supposed to be played slightly forward anyway no? Any pro I’ve been to or watched it’s always forward

[@garymartingolf]

I played Infront of centre for my entire life. but since moving to a forwards press Torque free putter, I’ve moved into the centre. My hands still remain where they were before, the head has just moved back (shaft lean).

[@royclose946]

Well done gaz 😊

[@garymartingolf]

Cheers Roy, have a nice Christmas buddy

[@royclose946]

You too bud 👍

[@oldred1959]

Now all I need is a zero torque driver, hybrid and irons. Amazed how im supposed to bring all these clubs back to square without zero torque!

[@garymartingolf]

Here here

[@Pud56]

What I struggle with is, a good putter will putt well with any old putter. These LAB or equivalent putters are the current fad, these things come and go. If you are confident with what ever wand you wield, you will hole putts. I have refined my putting stroke using hackmotion, and my arcos stats suggests i am picking up 1.6 shots a round against similar handicap players, i am off of 5.7. Surely refining technique will achieve more than spending £700 on a putter regardless of the technology.

[@danielwarren2355]

You could say the same about all golf equipment, it's about finding the small gains where you can. Some people will feel they can justify the price Vs the gains others won't , it's not for everyone.

[@paulgoy9325]

I want you to test the Alan putter gaz

[@garymartingolf]

It’s done signed, scheduled and sealed ⛳️🔥

[@brianmurray4199]

Gaz trying to piss off Callaway now😂

[@garymartingolf]

I thought it was a good review! 2nd to Lab… what bloody more do you want 😅

[@brianmurray4199]

@garymartingolf get some color on those legs 😂. It was a good review

[@jackiechow860]

It’s corrective to your lie angle. That’s why it’s lie angle balanced.

[@peterscott1498]

Eeeh I tell thee son! Testing t’new t’putter Yorkshire born Yorkshire bread. Strong in the arm & soft in the head

[@lexxwhite747]

I don't know, I think there's way too much going on with putters the last couple of years. It's a bit much imo.

[@Adam30780]

You need to forward press it until the white face is not visible, it’s all over KZbin mate, Danny Maude did a video explaining how it works

[@garymartingolf]

I just wanted to demonstrate that it can’t be used without the press as there will alway be someone who buys a putter off the shelf without watching KZbin or reading the website first.

[@yoric7200]

Sqaure to sqaure 😂😂

[@kd2282]

I really wish people would stop using the revealer that L.A.B created to test any other putter. The revealer will only ever work with a lie angle balance putter and LAB have that patent. I think LABs tech is fantastic, but the revealer is marketing.

[@garymartingolf]

The torque revealer came before the Lab, it doesn’t recognise brands, it just recognises torque, what are you talking about lol 😂

[@kd2282]

​​@@garymartingolf I'm taking about facts. Some background for those of you unfamiliar with L.A.B. The brainchild of Bill Presse IV, L.A.B. was born from a frustration that he was constantly battling the torque of his putter. He invented the “Revealer,” a device that simply and easily shows the effect that torque has on a putter when allowed to swing freely. Then he invited the DF2.1 to eliminate torque in the revealer. Then he patented lie angle balancing. No other brand can eliminate torque in the same way to perfectly satisfy that revealor because lie angle balancing is patented. Why do you think pxg tried making they own revealor? So what are you taking about? lol.

[@rorywelburn9909]

Sqaure to Sqaure lol Is that northern?

[@garymartingolf]

My mistake 🤦🏻

[@rorywelburn9909]

@@garymartingolf Great video though Enjoy all of your videos

[@Nonfortiscedtenax]

Hated, hated the S2Q. The shaft angle is distracting. Cheap made dog of a putter. No contest to LAB. Do not believe the hype. Price is great though.

[@rivermontgreencommittee2042]

The can test is useless, the balance is relative to the lie angle not parallel to the ground

[@garymartingolf]

No it’s not. Both tests are 100% correct.

[@DA22YLM]

If thats the case the LAB wouldn’t have returned to parallel each time… so its very relevant

[@garymartingolf]

@@DA22YLM it was sam Hahn himself who showed me this test, so I think it is relevant.