Gas Didn't Stand a Chance! Comparing the 2023 Toro eTimeMaster and Gas TimeMaster.

[@PaulSikkema]

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[@jdog8701]

I may be 6 months late but this video has sold me on this. Thank you for taking the time to put this video out to help potential buyers like me

[@travisgarrett9398]

Finally, someone did a real test with this mower. Thanks for spending the time to make this video. I cut 30 properties a week and have used a regular timemaster for the last 4 years. I'm definitely sold. I do have a question. Does the manual say how many square feet a 10 amp hour battery can mow on normal speed?

[@PaulSikkema]

No it doesn't because every lawn is different. Toro (and my experience) is getting about 65-70 minutes per charge on normal grass at normal walking speed.

[@travisgarrett9398]

Thanks.@@PaulSikkema

[@PaulSikkema]

Yes, the motor is fan cooled and the electronics has heat sinks to dissipate the heat.

[@TackleFarm]

Many thanks. This is exactly the demo I was looking for. I have the gas Timemaster now, and was thinking of selling it and switching to the etimemaster model. Thanks!😊

[@31acruz]

I've had my time master for 12 years, no problems, just replaced the magneto/spark cable once that's it.

[@IanB22]

Never change sir.... Electric (as far as mowers is concerned) is not your answer

[@8470tony]

Great video and awesome explanations for each cut. I have a dewalt mower and find that it leaves a lot of stragglers because the blade speed is not as fast as a gasoline, thus lifting the grass up to make a good cut. So I have been looking into the E time master. If you could get a close up view on the grass of the cut quality, for gas and each electric setting that would be great!

[@PaulSikkema]

I will as soon as I get some good grass to cut. This drought is making it very tough to find a good lawn that needs mowing :)

[@AppleFanX2]

Excellent review Paul! Thanks, Lindsay

[@daflea66]

Nice vid, thank you. Looking at the commercial unit but this demo was very helpful

[@rlenoxIII]

Thanks, probably the best video I’ve seen yet on the electric timemaster or Turfmaster

[@MacDeLorean]

Thanks for this video Paul, its nice to see a proper implementation of auto mode that still has the option to force max when desired. Are these timemasters (electric or gas) decent on slopes, or would you recommend a narrower/lighter mower instead? I have one hill that ranges from about 25 degrees up to 40 degrees.

[@PaulSikkema]

The gas TimeMaster is what I've been using to mow ditches and any area it's not safe to use a ZTR. My ditches are steep like yours and most of the time I can walk in the bottom and guide the mower with one hand. The center "assist" handle under the Personal Pace let's you run the machine one-handled. It's heavy enough that it will stay going straight on the hill. I expect the electric to work even better since there's no oil in the engine. It will climb a regularly mowed slope steeper than you can walk up. I STRONGLY RECOMMEND TO NEVER WALK BEHIND ANY MOWER GOING DOWNHILL! If you have to go down the assist handle will let you walk off to the side.

[@MacDeLorean]

That’s great to hear @@PaulSikkema appreciate your thoughts and wisdom. That’s one of the main reasons I’m looking at electric mowers, the slope actually starved my gas mower of oil and seized the engine.

[@PaulSikkema]

You will like this electric mower a lot for that.

[@pryme2013]

I’ve been waiting to go electric for my mower until my current gas unit(Ariens 159cc) dies, but 10 years in she’s still kickin. Maybe I shouldn’t be changing the oil once a season every season with quality synthetic oil ha

[@PaulSikkema]

Have you seen the new Ariens Razor? If I wanted to stick with gas, it would be my first choice right now!

[@pryme2013]

@@PaulSikkema No I haven’t but that is the model I have. It’s been perfect for 10yr s except the last year or so but be had a bit of trouble keeping to rear drive wheels tight and they have worked themselves loose a few times. You can only go so tight before the wheel won’t turn. Guess I should use some blue locktite. Also just this summer I almost think I hear an exhaust leak type sound when it warms up. Still works good though.

[@m.mcnally4534]

Love your videos keep it up

[@richardnichols2064]

If you want some nice grass its ok to water the lawn. Nice video!

[@billz410]

Enjoyed the story about the Super H!

[@jacoblee5307]

Excellent review ! Thank you!

[@Tdeegs]

I have owned both and the E timemaster is definitely better and more powerful. I put the high lift blades on because I bag my zoysia front and bermuda rear lawns. It fills the bag completely with the high lift blades. Way more powerful on max in thick grass than the gas mower. This coming from a MOPAR guy w a widebody scat pack. Never thought I'd admit that I like the E better 😂.

[@Mark-Marine]

Paul, the one drawback of the Timemaster (gas) has always been the size of the gas tank. Does the eTimemaster afford the operator any more time mowing? By the way, I’ve never seen a Super H. Nice machine.

[@PaulSikkema]

Thanks, The eTimeMaster will give you over an hour of mowing on one charge of the 10 AH batteries. By the way, I can mow a 100 X 175 foot property with the gas TimeMaster on 1/2 cup of fuel.

[@alonzowea5791]

This question may have been asked. Do you are cutting your entire lawn with the walk behind or do you also have a zero turn?

[@PaulSikkema]

I always had the philosophy - If it takes more than an hour to mow the lawn I got a bigger mower :) That said, I only use a walk-behind now to trim or do lawns that are too small for a 42 inch zero-turn. Most people can mow an 8000 sq. ft. lawn with a 21-inch walk-behind comfortably. This mower you can mow 12-14,000 sq. ft.

[@Hallo-Hallo]

Hallo Paul, good to see you! 👍😃

[@mikefordguy3364]

I have a 22 inch Toro 60V used it 2 years now it came with the small 6.0 ah battery. Bought the Toro 60v snow blower and have the 7.5 ah battery. The rear wheel broke on the mower after 2 years doing 3 lawns per week. Not bad. Bought a 60V super recycler while the other mower was in the shop. I also purchased a spare 7.5 ah battery. To make a long story short 6.0 battery is now only charging to 50 to 75 percent. I suspect the 3 other 7.5 ah batteries are soon going to fade and not charge fully. I just ordered a timemaster 30 gas electric start as I now have 7 properties to cut weekly. I love the electric mowers and the personal pace system. Unfortunately the batteries are not going to last forever and I think that gas is the best until battery technology advances. I also have an old Honda HRX it mows like a champ and eats like a bird just wish it had a wider deck. Can't wait for my new Toro gas Time Master. I have high hopes for it. I here good and bad tnings. I plan to upgrade the pulley system to commercial grade when the original ones fail. I had high hopes for the electric mowers but now realize that I will spend more for new batteries than the cost of the new Time Master gas mower!

[@PaulSikkema]

It appears I've been lucky then. I have Toro 60 volt batteries that are going on 5 years old withe no issues. If you are trying to make money mowing lawns the best choice is the Toro 30 inch commercial Turfmaster. They also make the 21 inch commercial. Ball Bearing Wheels Heavy duty tranny, deck and other parts. Kawasaki or Kohler engines 60 v battery version with commercial batteries and chargers www.toro.com/en/professional-contractor/commercial-mowers?filter=107e2016-0367-4f7c-a701-bb6c30428597-filtertext-30+in+%2F+76+cm

[@mikefordguy3364]

@@PaulSikkema Hi Paul thank you for the suggestions. I am getting up in years and only cut lawns as a side hustle and to keep busy. In retrospect the first Toro electric 22 inch has about 8 years of use on it and has performed admirably considering the number of properties it has cut over the last three seasons. Actually it was only 500 dollars when purchased new It was a floor model open box so ROI was darned good. I use the 60 volt Super Recycler for my personal property. It has a great cut and bags much better than the 22 inch 60 volt Recycler. The four properties I plan to use the Time Master on are flat and within the same block which is ideal. I couldn't justify the extra 800 dollar price jump for the E Timemaster. Replacement batteries are 450 per 10.0 ah battery. However, there is a market for customers who prefer the low noise of an electric mower. I told one of my customers I was getting a new gas mower and she said she liked the low noise of the Toro e mower. Her husband had a Ryobi e mower and it fell apart 😭 so they asked me for my services. Not sure how many more years I will be cutting grass just a Solo operator here looking for more time to lounge in my chair. I hope the Time Master 30 helps in that respect. Bring on Spring 🌱

[@bradleywood1499]

Does the electric have reverse?

[@PaulSikkema]

The both have "Armstrong" reverse - grab the handle and pull it backwards :)

[@troycadotte]

I have seen some feedback that the handle is “taller” than the gas model. Is that accurate?

[@PaulSikkema]

No, Side by side they are the same. Both mowers have two handle height positions. The person who stated this may have had the eTimeMaster's handle in the low position and the TimeMaster in the higher position.

[@LL-mt2nz]

Do you find you have to keep the eTimeMaster on max to match the cut quality of the gas? (Under normal conditions)

[@PaulSikkema]

No, under "normal" mowing it mows just fine. I've got one neighbor with a showcase lawn and I'm trying to convince him to use the eTimeMaster once. I'll film it so you can see for yourself how well the eco mode works.

[@dalewiley9208]

At $2400 the electric model is outrageously expensive.

[@PaulSikkema]

Is it? All your gas, oil filters, gas can, trips to the gas station, and pollution is eliminated for 10 years.

[@travisgarrett9398]

I forgot to ask you. How long does it take to fully charge an empty battery?

[@PaulSikkema]

With the included chargers about 2 hours. Toro does make a charger that will charge them twice as fast.

[@travisgarrett1478]

Thanks once again.

[@markd9105]

Yes i could hear it power up.

[@joehostler9209]

How does it do with side discharge?

[@PaulSikkema]

It does side discharge well - exactly like the gas version. I don't have a video yet for it but I do have one for the gas version. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h323npJ7ad6Do7c

[@pristinecarpetcleaning]

How long does the battery last? I have an ego mower and now that it's three years old the battery doesn't last as long and replacements are almost as much as I paid for the whole mower.

[@PaulSikkema]

I have about 14 batteries and some of them are five years old. They have all been perfect except one 7.5 AH - it's not the oldest but it only has about 80% of it's rated capacity.

[@daryldaryl887]

Is the electric model lighter? Can either of them do well on hills?

[@PaulSikkema]

No, they both weigh about the same. Both are great for hills - in fact, I use the gas one on a ditch that's close to 40 degrees! I know I'll like the electric even better because I won't have to worry about the engine running out of oil on the slope.

[@dalewiley9208]

Does the electric version accumulate grass under the deck like the gas one?

[@PaulSikkema]

Like any mower if you are mulching grass that's too high you will have issues. It comes with a side discharge chute for grass that is too tall to mulch.

[@davidpotter9462]

I've worked on a gas one before. It's quite expensive to change the timing belt and blades.

[@PaulSikkema]

Everything has gone up in price - my zero-turn mower's drive belt is now $129 and the blades are $29 a piece.

[@jp-us9rq]

Paid promotion i really don't trust the review if u would of bought it yourself and gave a review I would of believed it most people that get paid give a good rating no offense maybe ur being honest

[@PaulSikkema]

I've been doing this for 15 years now and my readers and viewers have learned to trust what I show them. The manufactures also trust I will give them an honest review. (They have their own publicity departments to do the advertising) There are no other 30 inch battery walk-behind mowers on the market right now. So in this video I compared it to Toro's gas model. Yes I was objective as possible because I actually like the gas TimeMaster.

[@jp-us9rq]

@@PaulSikkema no disrespect.

[@m.mcnally4534]

@@jp-us9rq regardless if it’s paid or not you can see for your self in colour the results lol

[@johnrus7661]

Based on what, he compared them side by side. It's performance is right there in front of you to judge for yourself. This is just an ignorant statement just for the sake of saying something. And as a Timemaster owner, this was a helpful review to me as I am considering the electric one just because of the noise aspect.

[@frankwoodbery2473]

​@PaulSikkema - Greenworks also makes a 30" battery mower. I have no idea how good it is vs the eTimaster.

[@EXEON727]

It's all nice and dandy until you have to deal with battery degradation each year and replacing them which costs too much.

[@PaulSikkema]

I currently have Toro 60-volt batteries that are going on six years old and I have had no issues with them. Compared to the cost of fuel and engine maintenance they are a good choice for most people.

[@rugmankc]

Looking at this for wider cut. Have had Ego products for seven plus years and no battery issue on any of my Ego products. I think Toro will do same.

[@dalewiley9208]

So the reasons to prefer the electric over the gas model would be…?

[@PaulSikkema]

1. It's the only type you can buy in California starting 2024. 2. No Maintenance except blades and a belt every 4-5 years. 3. Has more power than the gas version.

[@longwalkoffshortpeer]

can you do a side discharge video too please

[@PaulSikkema]

Yes, it will be May before I have grass to mow though. In the meantime check out the side discharge using the gas TimeMaster. It starts at the 12:00 time. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h323npJ7ad6Do7c

[@sandyweaver9329]

Now if you had a John Deere 620 you wouldn't have to give it any TLC. :)

[@PaulSikkema]

Your talking to the wrong guy - I own a Farmall Super H :)

[@charleswolf1463]

It appears the electric has more power but the noise is very undesirable.

[@PaulSikkema]

Yes, it does! It's hard to get away from blade noise and still have the mower cut well. The camera microphone I used on the electric for some reason picked up the sound better than on the gas model.

[@rugmankc]

I have same issue with sound on my security cameras. Real world it won’t sound as bad.

[@Agent77X]

Electric is very loud!😮

[@PaulSikkema]

It's hard to get away from blade noise and still have the mower cut well. The camera microphone I used on the electric for some reason picked up the sound better than on the gas model.

[@wayneadams9468]

Having to make two passes over same ground is not cool.

[@PaulSikkema]

The reason I made two passes is because the grass in the field was way too tall. I usually use a 15 foot batwing mower behind a 150 HP tractor to mow that area down to about 6 inches tall. So I was extremely happy with the quality of cut the eTimeMaster was doing and the power it had to do the job!

[@Trackhoe075]

To bad you didn’t show it bagging not a great video

[@PaulSikkema]

It bags just ;ile the gas version. Check out how ell it bags here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h323npJ7ad6Do7c