Love the phone calls in this one. Steve gets fan club calls.
@coolbluelights3 жыл бұрын
What the capacitor does is it creates a phase shift in the AC sine wave coming in to energize one set of windings at a slight delay, so you get a rotating magnetic field. Some motors do it with thinner gage start windings, some do it with a shaded pole. Technical enough for you? 😆
@peacefrog05212 жыл бұрын
Just had a tech over today; my Gibson furnace was doing almost the same as this one for close to a week. I had to tap the valve to get it to release gas (which I am well aware is a no-no). Of course as soon as he shows up it starts working again 😀 He did a full diagnosis and was only getting about 18-21 V going to the valve. He determined the control board was faulty (which I also suspected) and replaced that. I also had him replace the gas valve since he was there. Really glad I did because I’d rather rely on his skills, trains, experience, equipment, and safe practices for that part. He also found the old valve somehow wasn’t very tight to at least one of the pipes (I forget if it was the inlet or outlet). I had the same existing Honeywell gas valve as shown here; my new valve is pretty much the same as the replacement here except mine doesn’t has a shutoff on top. But it is the right one for my model. His manometer linked to his phone through Bluetooth which was kinda cool. Amazingly it was already showing 3.5, as if it were pre-set. While we were talking I found out he’s also a big fan of yours. That tells me I got the right guy.
@kindervelt20053 жыл бұрын
After watching these vids, I feel lucky that my 1988 Williamson 90+ furnace has not needed repairs, unlike so many newer furnaces that Steve runs across.
@46fd043 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more. My 1987 mid-efficiency furnace still runs like a top. In 29 years, I've only had one issue. The electric motor crapped out in Feb.2020. It took 2 days to find a replacement. I had the original motor repaired. Cost was $40.00. I installed the brand new motor, and kept the original as a spare.
@squadman33762 жыл бұрын
Gotta admire the confidence that experience gives you when troubleshooting the system. Great work guy !!
@craigharding4753 жыл бұрын
This was a challenging project. Good job, Steve! Another example of product designers who do not consider the poor slob trying to repair the damned thing.
@paulyfoy99663 жыл бұрын
Guy designing the unit: I’d hate to be the guy to repair this furnace
@ricardoalvarez16582 ай бұрын
Thanks Steve for all your videos god bless you 🙏👍🏻👏🏻👌🏻
@Tatman12123 жыл бұрын
You are the best Steve. You talk like every man’s man and I think we all relate to you. Thanks for sharing
@RJRussoVids3 жыл бұрын
Guys like this keep America going. I used to have a house with an old gas-fired steam boiler, and having the number of someone who could come out and do a solid job made all the difference. 🏆
@chuckquinn80263 жыл бұрын
I initially thought it was the igniter as it seemed to me to be a bit dull as far as brightness…I realize it has a shield around it, plus you could hear the gas flow every time the gas valve clicked open…that said, it definitely fired harder after the gas valve was replaced. May have been plugging up with crap/low flow rate. Glad you relocated the cap for the blower fan…
@WeatherNut273 жыл бұрын
Seeing it wasnt firing @17:00 and seeing there was 20 minutes left in the video we knew it was gonna get interesting more. Nice job.
@per9953 жыл бұрын
I attended a training in Belgium way back 20 Years ago for some US made cold trap. The guy who hold the training explained that you should never touch the compressor capacitor terminal. He pointed to the terminal without looking at the terminal.😬 The lucky guy hit it with a finger and just was airborne by his legs muscle contractions.😂 The 30 of us got into an hilarious laughing and him pretty red faced😂 He learned a lesson too and made us a real life education.
@scottk06233 жыл бұрын
I’m glad that shit happens to other people not just me. Nice recovery👍
@smarthome26603 жыл бұрын
Great job Steven. That is one of the best flames I have seen on a furnace in a while, all blue. Lot better than before you replaced the gas valve where there was a lot of orange and yellow.
@Spinonemaster3 жыл бұрын
You're 100 % correct Steve ... the best explanation for a capacitor is that it "Modulates" current to a motor (in and out) ... prevents the start up Amp surge from damaging the wiring ... a "buffer" so to speak ... and it's sacrificial, as they heat up a degrade over time ... cheap insurance as it's easier/cheaper to change one out then replace an expensive motor ...
@expensivefreeadvice85303 жыл бұрын
Many AC motors are wound to have very high efficiency when running. Unfortunately, this configuration has low starting torque and the motor can't start without some spin assistance. Typically, a second winding is added to these motors just to add starting torque. A centrifugal switch inside the motor switches in this 2nd winding when the motor is stopped or spinning slow. But, the extra winding alone isn't enough. What we want is the 2nd winding to get its current a bit ahead of the main winding which will develop the torque needed to spin up. And by ahead, that's measured in degrees of the 60 cycle AC voltage. All we need is about 30 degrees of lead on the 2nd winding current and off we go. How do we do that? From fundamental electric theory, we can place a capacitor in series with the 2nd winding and the current in that winding will now lead the current in the primary winding. Theoretically, you can get up to 45 degrees of phase shift from a single capacitor, but due to resistance and other factors, 30 degrees is the typical target. Knowing the inductance and resistance of the 2nd winding, and that we're operating at 60 Hertz, allows calculating the size of the capacitor to get the needed phase shift. Once the motor spins up and the centrifugal switch opens, the capacitor and the 2nd winding are not used. There are a few variations of this scheme, but they all exploit the phase shift the capacitor imposes. Some AC motors have a run capacitor and a start capacitor. If the capacitor goes bad, typically, you can't start and the motor simply sits there and gets very warm. There's a lot of literature about how all of this works if you want to do a bit of web research. Happy to contribute here. Got my engineering degree many years ago from a school in Steve's neighborhood.
@jeeperguy42903 жыл бұрын
You can hear the gas being releases when the valve opens, I wonder if it’s a plugged up slot in the burner, or weak igniter. When you hear the valve open match light it- that will tell you if it’s opening or not
@yfdfireman23 жыл бұрын
I’m guessing that igniter is bad. The only part glowing is above the gas stream and you could hear the gas run every time. The few times it ignited, there was a lot of rollout. Other times the stream of gas never touches the hot part of the igniter.
@zzimmzz3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that... seemed like there wasn't much in the path of the gas to actually ignite it. And you could hear the gas every single time the valve clicked. I was also thinking a bad heat exchanger... when the blower came on the first time (23:20), the flames really seemed to dance and change colors. I think he should've checked carbon monoxide coming out of vents regardless, a good safety precaution.
@blamsamblam873 жыл бұрын
@@zzimmzz I thought the same too but then I realised he had the blower door off
@F122553 жыл бұрын
Yeah that thing didnt fire very smoothly. even with the new gas valve it was delayed ignition. Thats going to fail again. Hooefully not, but......
@mjalco74103 жыл бұрын
Nice work Steve
@AStanton19663 жыл бұрын
I was over my mother in law's house today. The temperature in the house was below the thermostat's setting. Why would a furnace repeatedly run, then shut itself off after a few minutes? It's an oil-fired unit with a domestic hot water tank attached. A service tech was called and he said keep and eye on it. He hadn't slept in 2 days because he's been running call to call.
@anthonygasparini17343 жыл бұрын
Steve you bust me up! "I am a Big Wheel with no Spokes"! Lol... Happy Sunday Momma!
@jimbobaggins48103 жыл бұрын
Capacitor on a motor is to create a phase delay to help set the starting rotation.
@jersey-dude3 жыл бұрын
That makes sense. What is the difference in farad capacities? Do the different values adjust the sine wave further out of sync? Maybe for larger motors?
@jimbobaggins48103 жыл бұрын
@@jersey-dude not really the expert on this but at a guess in ac the larger capacity capacitor would allow more energy to flow, so a larger capacitor would mean larger motor starting current?
@johnwalker8903 жыл бұрын
The capacitor gives a boost of energy and completes the circuit, like you said, it ain't rocket science, Good job Steve.
@statedace33 жыл бұрын
How to tell when you're NEXT LEVEL is When you take the time during work hours to talk to a fan who clearly wants to thank you for your work and take a call from another guy you cant get on the phone for a week that has a job 1 1/2 hrs away and will still go do it..thats a trooper.
@Eddy633 жыл бұрын
You got a great vid out on capacitors and it explains everything about them . It was made a few years back for those interested ... Thx for posting ... Hey to chest bumper Molly ...
@tonym69203 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve and Miss Molly! Workin’ again y’all. 👍👍. From the length of this video, I had a feeling it was going to be more than the replacement of a cap, lol Nice work Steve as always!
@mr.r95053 жыл бұрын
It's nice to see a well oiled machine running flawlessly
@mansourramzey77113 жыл бұрын
Good job So you do both plumbing and air &heat. That's awesome ✌
@johnjeffries62072 жыл бұрын
Good video thank you.
@ronaldgarrow1063 ай бұрын
Just Learning and Wondering Why didn't you check the Gas Pressure on the Valve before changing
@ronzek3207 Жыл бұрын
Check the ohms on gas valve. Do you check for gas leaks after replacing gas parts? I haven't seen you do it a few times? Nice job moving the placement of the capacitor. Glad you got it going for the lady.
@gocubsgo50553 жыл бұрын
Armstrong furnaces are fun to maintain and tear apart LOL good video 👍
@ntsecrets3 жыл бұрын
It’s hard to explain that the capacitor on ac shifts the phase and creates a rotating field - needed for single phase motors. But you need to break out a friggin chart with sine waves to visualize it lol. That’s why when they crap out it can’t spin, or hooked up wrong make it spin the wrong way.
@Irilia_neko3 жыл бұрын
I don't expect any normal person to understand that xD
@jblyon23 жыл бұрын
Yup. Some variation of "It helps the motor start" is all most people need to hear because that's all they'll understand.
@FrenchBeefCDN3 жыл бұрын
I visualize cranks of a bike. If the cranks are installed at 0 degrees and 180 degrees (normal) it is easy to pedal the bike. If the cranks were only 90 degrees apart, it would be easy at part of the cycle, and impossible at the other part of the cycle. A 3 phase motor has a "crank" exactly 120 degrees away from the other crank, making 3 cranks. With single phase, we are trying to spread away the two phases from eachother to get the motor up to speed (Start capacitor.) Some motors do not need the capacitor once it reaches 70-100% speed. Motors that require more torque can be fitted with a run capacitor... or better go 3 phase. A failed start capacitor is basically like having a bike with only one crank. If you can get the motor started, it can sometimes keep running, but wont reach full speed.
@danwittels55423 жыл бұрын
@@FrenchBeefCDN That's the explanation to make it relatable I heard. I'm going to use that, thanks!
@leeshilling833 жыл бұрын
I had this happen yesterday. Replaced/adjusted the igniter so it’s glowing closer to gas air mixture. Arrived and the hot surface igniter was smoked. Replaced it and it would glow but not ignite. Tested 24 volts at gas valve. Replaced gas valve but still wouldn’t ignite. I found the hot surface igniter was not close enough to the burner tube and had to tweak the igniter to make it function correctly
@drodriguez3943 жыл бұрын
So the original gas valve was probably good.
@realSamAndrew3 жыл бұрын
@@drodriguez394 I was thinking the exact same thing, and you already wrote it. I wonder if it was good.
@philipaday273 жыл бұрын
Never look back otherwise you will be tie ing yourself in knots. Maybe you will change a part that doesn’t need it. But you have to keep moving forward
@realSamAndrew3 жыл бұрын
@@philipaday27 if you think this way you will never learn from past mistakes. Why do you think football coaches watch hundreds of hours of game film? Even if their decision wound up being successful, it may have not been the correct one. In this case, if he would've tested it as described, not only may he not have had to change the valve, but he would also save a return trip to get the valve and install it, which could also take it from same day repair to next week repair
@leeshilling833 жыл бұрын
@@realSamAndrew the gas valve was an aftermarket valve that was not listed compatible with furnace, so it was replaced and left in place for this reason. Had I thought the gas valve was still good, I would’ve ate the gas valve cost and moved on. Coincidently, I had the same thing happen on another after hours call 2 days later. In that case I found the heat exchanger was cracked not allowing for proper combustion with inducer and main blower running. So moving the igniter or adjusting closer to the burner jet isn’t always the answer.
@jimbelluomini5192 ай бұрын
That universal ignitor is causing the issue seen this problem many times. When they start getting weak, they will not glow all the way down to the bottom of the stick and cause intermittent ignition problems.
@themayorofairconditioning28683 жыл бұрын
Wow that guy calling in like that. I always thought I might call Steve if I ever ran into a problem I couldn't solve while in some huge urgent time sensitive scenario. But so far I haven't had to resort to calling Steve. Another great video.
@NEDERLAM Жыл бұрын
I learned a lot watching your videos. I’m just wondering why you didn’t check that old gas valve with your manometer before doing the disassembly. I’ve seen you test them that way in other videos.
@mickobyobrien26503 жыл бұрын
Hello Steve, from the u.k. great content.
@andrewkisner153 жыл бұрын
Hey Steve, you always got to watch out for those experts they know everything.
@seniorcomputer32923 жыл бұрын
Stick to it. Great job as always.
@lancelawrence32593 жыл бұрын
Nice work
@chatrkat3 жыл бұрын
Good work on both repairs. That draft inducer sounds like the bearings are very tired.
@Tnenamrep23 жыл бұрын
Always love hearing the variety of customers on the phone.
@lance16O13 жыл бұрын
Next level, guy
@danwittels55423 жыл бұрын
Not trolling, just curious, did you check the gas pressure on the old valve? Maybe it needed adjusting? And did the ignitor look weak in real life, it looked like it was only half working on the video. I'm glad the new valve fixed it and there have been no call backs!
@RaySarasin3 жыл бұрын
Got to love the fans lol one can learn a lot by shutting up and listen
@goorioles19763 жыл бұрын
What is that flame sensor??? Why isn't it on the opposite end from the ignitor? Very dangerous
@409novaman3 жыл бұрын
Seems like the event timing is off? The igniter seems to be going out just as the ignition takes place. It’s like the gas valve is opening late.
@ohioplayer-bl9em3 жыл бұрын
Can you adjust the timing or would you just have to replace the board?
@MrTrailerman23 жыл бұрын
@@ohioplayer-bl9em replace board. There should be a sequence of operation for the timings of the board functions that will give each step in seconds for each function.
@phucyutoob64773 жыл бұрын
Never fails. You think it will be a 5 min job just changing a capacitor and it ends up being hours.
@dissociativecat74952 жыл бұрын
whats the chances of a bad gas valve and capacitor at the same time. I would've been called back on that one
@cornbreadburgess19503 жыл бұрын
Great video brother.
@jersey-dude3 жыл бұрын
I hear his phone ringing and thanks to another channel, all I can think is do-do-do-do-do. 😂
@greggaieck48082 жыл бұрын
Steven lavimonier I like your utube videos
@bryanaustin83623 жыл бұрын
Good job Steve, love your videos.
@RaySarasin3 жыл бұрын
I live in a mobile home my furnace died on boxing day 20/21 i called the Plummer he here in 25 minutes (on boxing day) The Furnace:Intertherm Inducer Motor pilled. He had another one in another truck or Van they have Any way 1.5 hours later furnace purring away Bill was $414.23 I live in a small town 5th generation here. Thanks to our plumbers who put up with alot to keep our asses warm my 2 cents worth
@randymoyer53513 жыл бұрын
did u check make sure they Didn't turn Gas off as well as the Switch? they may have? As its strange if it was Working With a Bad Cap in it But now not since, Maybe when some one shut it off they turned Gas off too?
@chrissmith5133 жыл бұрын
Why would they put the capacitor in the back ? Crazy 🎄🎄🎄
@Fireship13 жыл бұрын
“You don’t want to forget to put this in, it’ll ruin your day.” Ain’t that the truth. Water is more forgiving than gas!
@giod73373 жыл бұрын
Hi. Just found your videos. Great content. I noticed you used alligator clip to jump it in order to prime the line. Our gauge went bad, tank emptied and I'm in that boat. Can this be done with honeywell R7284u control. Thanks
@giod73373 жыл бұрын
Didnt mention. It's for an oil furnace
@barryhunt53573 жыл бұрын
Good save there Steve .
@themayorofairconditioning28683 жыл бұрын
Second phone call even better
@ronaldcanby6903 жыл бұрын
Great repair again Steve! These designer that put components just anywhere need to use their head in thinking in time of service make reasonable common sense to help speedy up repairs by repairman! It’s ridiculous on some appliances you literally have to tear apart just to replace a simple part but then spend additional time putting the appliance back together. Well done on the capacitor mount in front! Thanks for sharing your work, enjoy watching all of them! Martinsburg, WV USA
@Snickers42113 жыл бұрын
Steve’s line of the day: “Let’s get a couple of screws back in this bitch”
@russael0013 жыл бұрын
Seems kind of weird to put the igniter on burner 4 and the flame sensor on burner 3. Makes more sense to put the igniter on burner 1 and the sensor on 4. The igniter would turn off before the gas valve did too which was also strange. Almost as if it didn't allow itself enough time for the gas to catch.
@chuckquinn80263 жыл бұрын
I agree
@willhvac3 жыл бұрын
Well he cleaned the burner channel and replaced the gas valve. Either there's a plug in the manifold or the igniter is going bad due to late ignition.
@rodneyskinner77413 жыл бұрын
Hello Steve!
@joshbaker24373 жыл бұрын
Famous last words "the capacitor don't hold a charge"
@Nighthawke703 жыл бұрын
There is one thing I noticed was with the flame color flaring yellow just a little bit when the blower kicked on. Just enough to suggest a pinhole leak in the heat exchange. Just enough to cause a draft.
@FrenchBeefCDN3 жыл бұрын
Thought the exact same thing. I had to cap 4 RTUS with bad heat exchangers last week. 2 of them were tripped on roll-out.. go figure. Made it 21 years.
@Nighthawke703 жыл бұрын
@@FrenchBeefCDN It's just enough to pique the curiosity but it does not look like it's enough to cause concern.
@roberthanulec59873 жыл бұрын
Why didn’t you do a combustion test? On other jobs the 3.5 inch pressure setting caused a high CO number.
@ala13313 жыл бұрын
Great video Steve also might need a new hsi
@F122553 жыл бұрын
I dont know, even with the new valve it seemed to be delayed on the ignition. She may go out again. Hopefully not momma
@greekmaster10013 жыл бұрын
Steve How many service calls on Ave retouching do a day?
@jackdaniels6153 жыл бұрын
So the ignitor is on the last burner and the flame sensor is on 2nd to last burner?? Blower cap way in back?? Great engineering right there haha
@Latinoboriqualp3 жыл бұрын
Next level!!!
@jersey-dude3 жыл бұрын
That rollout looks like a cracked heat exchanger is likely.
@iamnoone.3 жыл бұрын
In the old days used to take capacitor out of old mowers that had points and charge them up and then throw it to someone
@chuckquinn80263 жыл бұрын
We did that in automotive school back in the ‘70’s 😂😂😂
@theCybershot1233 жыл бұрын
Read most of the comments . I thought it might have been the air proving switch ( that,s what we call them in UK ) or a blocked tube as there was a delay before gas valve got its 24 voltage. Time will tell
@greggaieck48082 жыл бұрын
Steven lavimonier I like when you sing she a crusty one Mr grinch
@billkrause45853 жыл бұрын
I looked it up and its what you said, The main job of capacitors is to store electrons to provide start-up energy for your motor. The olé' booster shot Ma-Ma!
@Isuzu813 жыл бұрын
A capacitor is also like a very quickly rechargeable and dischargeable battery.
@xX_Kryptis_Xx3 жыл бұрын
Damn manufactures don't give 2 shits about the people that have to work on the hvac equipment, same with cars...
@tomdale13133 жыл бұрын
"Gunslinger" pow pow pow...txs for sharing
@andrewmaurer68503 жыл бұрын
Steven don't feel bad I have customers call me to adjust there thermostat because they don't want to touch it because they are afraid they are going to break it when I explained it 20 times to them on how to work it and adjust it I spend all day adjusting people's thermostat because they don't understand it
@WeatherNut273 жыл бұрын
Whirlpool "lets hide components that need to be changed or cleaned"
@brutebetter91883 жыл бұрын
They do that for safety, it can stop your heart.
@WeatherNut273 жыл бұрын
@@brutebetter9188 The average person doesnt even know how to take the door off. How about the board or the fan? They should hide those too. Lol
@luismarca54663 жыл бұрын
How can I contact whit you I need help w boíler?
@johnagudelo6883 жыл бұрын
“This is a queer ass place for a…” is also something I say when working on the car 🤦🏽♂️ it’s always something
@davidparizek67413 жыл бұрын
Steven, please consider putting your phone calls on air, they are awesome 😂 But I am only here for the Dog 🐶
@lucancherby3 жыл бұрын
Best song on KZbin at 16:40
@samihabib6613 жыл бұрын
your hsi is not glowing directly over the gas
@ivangil32803 жыл бұрын
Same shit happened to me on a job , i ended up spray7some wd40 inside gas valve both in and out put and then tap on it . It should loosen valve up . Worked for me and customer
@theoldbigmoose3 жыл бұрын
Gas valves never used to go bad... looks like stiction. Bad seat materials?
@mattcat2313 жыл бұрын
i agree, I have a 34 year old Dunkirk boiler, and the original gas valve developed an external leak 5 years ago. Replaced it with a Honeywell part, and I have had to replace it every year since for internal problems. This year i took a huge gamble out of curiosity, and found an old White-Rogers brand gas valve and installed it, and the boiler works better than it did in 5 years!
@10minutenewhampshirebreak773 жыл бұрын
Looks just like a Goodman,
@Adam_Poirier3 жыл бұрын
So wait the first phone call was just a guy telling you how cool he thinks you are LOL doesn't sound like He's even a customer?
@dcrog693 жыл бұрын
So that guy just called to shoot the shit? What the flip.
@MrTrailerman23 жыл бұрын
Whirlpool code name... Nordyne.
@carolannebellefontaine10923 жыл бұрын
Boy that was a tricky one - nail biter - thanks for sharing
@Rajo200243 жыл бұрын
Really come one people call steve just to shoot the shit. The guy is working if your calling him pay him for his time lol.
@gumbootcloggers83303 жыл бұрын
Steve's got groupies mama!
@Vipedog13 жыл бұрын
capacitors will ruin your day. I was taught to discharge them with a screwdriver.
@sagemaster34083 жыл бұрын
Steve’s a great person but I never heard anyone misunderstand people as much as he does
@bernardbartell68443 жыл бұрын
Crusty dam smart valves! Lol
@mjg2633 жыл бұрын
Hmmm, almost seemed hesitant to fire again on that last attempt. That’s a weird one, hope the gas valve did it!
@stevenlavimoniere3 жыл бұрын
no call backs
@mjg2633 жыл бұрын
@@stevenlavimoniere that’s good!
@blamsamblam873 жыл бұрын
Ignitor was broken and shorted letting it still come on but not completely in the flow of the burner. You could hear the gas valve click and gas flow each attempt at ignition.