Gas Manifold | Electrical Update

[@marknilson2382]

Might want to check on the white tape on the gas-line... here in MI we have to use yellow for gas, and white for water. Love the utility room set-up!

[@FredD63]

In Michigan you can use blue for water also I always use pipe dope for gas ✌🏼🇺🇸

[@lidiatulpea4920]

Albastru este bentru țiței

[@skoalsoldier]

LOVE the manifold and the future labeling to be done. I do NG distribution and I can count on one hand the number of places I’ve been to with organized and labeled lines in the house (not counting commercial installs). It’s usually a haphazard assortment of lines and fittings, though some of them are older homes that have gone through generations of handymen and plumbers (not to mention code revisions).

[@MrPostFrame]

We love an organized utility room!

[@staudtj1]

The teflon tape your using looks like the type meant for plumbing. There is tape in yellow/orange spools meant for LP or natural gas.

[@jeepxj]

Ding ding

[@jeepxj]

@@ya2131 they know the way to getting paid and making it the next guys problem.

[@e1casper]

Normal white teflon is meant for water and air most other ptfe tape will say on outside of roll water,oil,air,gas on it

[@derrekmitchell1012]

@@e1casper for the most part yes but their is tape on the market that is white and approved for gas applications

[@skoalsoldier]

My employer, a natural gas distribution company, uses white PTFE tape. Though I usually just use it for gauges and things I don’t want to get dope on. We also use Blue Monster and I prefer it.

[@scr1648]

Looks great Paul! I love the look of clean looking manifolds. That stinks that there isnt a hidden outlet system for railings so you don't have to put in the floor outlet! Keep up the great work. Your videos are truly inspiring to me.

[@bstiger6482]

You always do a neat and well planned job, as I know you have done construction for years. However, one thing I noticed is you should have used "yellow" teflon tape, as it is heavier duty PTFE tape used for gas piping. Most gas fitters used that plus Tru-Blue or similar medium density brush on compound for all gas piping.Thanks for all of the great videos! Can't wait till you are finished.

[@jamesgordon1726]

I'm jealous of that utility room! Great job Paul!!! Nice clean manifolds, that's the way to do it!!

[@jimmer147]

looking great from over here in the uk! cant believe the inspector gets to specify where you have electrical outlets, can you have the final inspection before the floors are finished, that way just remove the unwanted outlets after the inspector has left. a quick tip from a plumber.... ptfe tape should be wound clockwise around the thread so that as the fittings are tightened the tape is pulled tighter into the thread. It was hard to see from the time lapse but it looked like yours was wound the other way.

[@ChadCourtneyTAZ427]

Technically the inspector isn't specifying he exact locations of the electrical outlets. What's happening is code requirements, which is there must be an outlet within 6' of any break in a wall, and no more than 12' apart. As long as he follows those guides he's good. Since he was using stub walls, he thought that the code wasn't required. He took it upon himself to use in-floor outlets, placing them at those particular locations, the center points of each stub wall provided the minimum number he would need by code.

[@kk.555]

I like the extra kitchen, Down south we call that a canning room,

[@curtisboswell2619]

Throughout the American midwest, it is referred to, as a "Summer Kitchen..."

[@allenneal9520]

You have to use insulated strap on iron pipes in poly or rubber , need moisture traps on each one and all brackets have to be approved for gas as well as yellow tape .

[@reddye2331]

Craftsmanship @ its finest. I have to say thanks for the great idea on the gas manifold. Sure will make maintenance on certain runs easy to work on without shutting other appliances off.

[@PAPSROYALAPIARY]

When I built my 4500 sqft house, that gas line was a hassle, not only here in MI you have to know total potential use of gas at all times thru your entire house but there is a formula on gas line size that comes into your house and reduces as you keep pigtailling different lines into it; I remember my intake was 2 1/2" and kept on down sizing until the last potential use end; one issue I had was that we had to reduce it with bell reducers and not ring reducers, they said the ring reducers can crack; your setup looks beautiful, just be careful at your state codes, also, if you put a instant water heater, that alone requires a 3/4" size to give you continuous hot water, I had one that was 230000 btu and originally had 1/2" on it, every so often my hot water got cold right in the middle of the shower, eventually we figured it out and did a 3/4", that was on my previous house, this one has a dual heater, it required 1" pipe line; But than again, I don't know how LP rules are, I am strictly talking of NG from the city; one thing I miss from the old house is the bathroom infloor water based heating system; I had that everywhere in the house before this, on this one just had to move fast and didn't have the time for that. Nice work so far on your part. Dan

[@FJB2020]

Was going to say that 3/4" manifold would never work in NG.. I sure hope it works for LP, but I have my doubts..

[@PAPSROYALAPIARY]

@@FJB2020 it all depends on the demand you subject it too, but also codes force you to stay in the most usage range not the least usage, kind of like one outlet every 12lf of wall, if you know what I mean, you might never have all outlets running in the same time, but the inspector considers that in his/her decision to pass you or not. Good luck to you, as I mentioned, when it comes to LP, I am in a unknown territory so I can't speak much to it. Dan

[@Thatplumberguy1995]

In Michigan you can use bushings instead of reducing couplings. Nothing in mechanical code says you can’t.

[@PAPSROYALAPIARY]

@@Thatplumberguy1995 I am sorry Sean, I went thru the process, trust me, I wasn't in the mood to take apart 2 1/4" pipes to replace the bushings with the bell reducers; If I didn't go thru it, maybe I would go along with your comment, but as I mentioned, I built a 4450 sq ft home with another 2200 sq ft walk out bassement. thanks for the input, but you are not correct here my good man. Dan

[@Thatplumberguy1995]

PAP'S ROYAL APIARY don’t be sorry I was just informing you of the code lol. All good and keep up the good work.

[@edwardestaya2660]

That stove looks awesome! Plus great work on the electrical and Gas lines.

[@kevinwilliams8662]

Congratulations on the 75K, liking your build and you do it right.

[@mfennema]

That's going to look like a Rich Trethewey mechanical room when you're all done with it!

[@Gmanboobies]

Mitch Fenneman Like who? What’s a Rich Trethewey?

[@coltonsegerruoc5162]

My suggestion is that you keep explaining what you’re doing in your videos because I’m learning so much from you. I feel like I could build a mansion with all The tips and tricks you add

[@RobertBarth1]

Thanks for going over the electrical inspection results. Great! For the garage, can never have too many outlets in the garage. I have a balcony like yours upstairs and have two floor outlets just like you. lol. Even more annoying is if you have one of those giant glass multi-sliding doors, you need to have one or two floor outlets, usually right in the middle of the floor. So ugly but required.

[@daveyboy8907]

The heart of the house..Nice job..

[@pwengert1]

That’s quite the gas manifold thing. Never seen one before. Looks like it should work quite well. Too bad they’re making you put plug-ins by your railing upstairs, but those floor plug-ins will work anyway. Always look forward to seeing what you’ll be doing next.

[@stevemontgomery3724]

I've had problems with unions leaking before. You might want to look at a black iron nipple/coupling with right/left hand threads that will replace the union and possibly seal better. I also concur on putting never seize on the union threads so it will snug up tighter.

[@joelongrid7625]

Your mech/elect. room is awesome. Great attention to detail and very neat. TIP: You may have installed your railing floor receptacles already, but if you haven't, may I suggest running them on a switch along with your wall outlet near the railing. You will need to use a three wire so you have a hot half of the outlet at all times, but your wife will thank you when it comes to Christmas lights. Great work.

[@nickpersenaire4443]

Congrats on 75k Paul, it's really looking good. Thanks for sharing your outstanding content.

[@rlewis9184]

Would be great to see a future video of how you setup your Pex piping and manifold as well. Thanks for taking the time to create these videos!

[@killuazoldyck1352]

Earth or ground bonding is used to reduce the risk of electric shocks to anyone who may touch two separate metal parts when there is a fault somewhere in the supply of electrical installation. By connecting bonding conductors between particular parts, it reduces the voltage there might have been between them. Certainly in the UK it is nothing to do with lightning, lightning would laugh at a cable that small! In the UK they don't tell us where we can put sockets/outlets, just where we can't put them. Also we can't work on gas without being qualified and registered. Love your channel!!

[@skoalsoldier]

The bonding requirement is only because he is using CSST instead of iron piping. CSST has very thin walls and a high voltage electrical charge can burn a hole in it. The bonding cable prevents this.

[@mellemauotord725]

Big help in building own home. Thank you for explaining in details!

[@MrPostFrame]

Thanks for watching!

[@pewheretic7967]

Loving the canning room! Hope you show lots of details and use later :)

[@MrPostFrame]

Will do!

[@hanzon]

What an outstanding house you build, always fun to watch your videos with how you build, etc.

[@tonytoy3939]

Love this channel. Watching every video. Thanks!

[@MrPostFrame]

You're welcome! Glad you're enjoying it!

[@billmorris2613]

A really neat job.

[@MrPostFrame]

Thanks!

[@drumaniac91]

Normal PTFE tape or natural gas PTFE tape (yellow stuff)? Does it matter in this case?

[@americanadventureoutdoors4213]

No tape on my gas fittings , use a paste , pieces of tape will break off and block things off .

[@hunterg4560]

I’m pretty sure this is the wrong kind of tape? Shouldn’t it be yellow?

[@franklong6269]

You may want to make sure that your system has enough capacity to run everything at the same time. Your pipe may not be large enough when you run it through a straight manifold. I don't know that it's not large enough, I am just saying you may want to confirm how many appliances that size pipe (including in-floor boiler heating) will support.

[@wickedkool705]

That’s what I was wondering too. I have 3/4” ng main that only supplies a water heater, boiler and a future cooktop. 3/4” supply from meter is just enough for 3 appliances. Ideally I would have 1” main.

[@franklong6269]

@@wickedkool705 I am NOT a gas piping expert, but with plumbing water piping, the size of your main line in from the utility is dependent on how many water fixtures are in the house. Gas is probably different because is compresses and a liquid doesn't. So probably the pressure of the gas line is what drives how many appliances it can drive. But you would still need a large enough main coming into the house.

[@jimengland8125]

Are going to run elevated pressure (2 psi) in the house? If not my concern would be flow capacity in your runs at 11" wc. Especially on the long runs. I would also recommend gas cocks(ball valves) with a side tap for easy pressure testing/troubleshooting. Enjoy the series BTW

[@grayman74]

I agree. I came here to mention the small size of the mainline for the manifold.

[@EdwardTilley]

Great detail !

[@MrPostFrame]

Thanks!

[@invernante1985]

Steady 10 % likes vs viewers rate, that is great. Soon 100k subscribers. You are doing it. Congratulations, you deserve this and more.

[@yannisnouioui7359]

Bonsoir Je suis votre vidéo depuis la France vous avez une façon de travailler qui est différente de la nôtre dans le bâtiment de la construction bon courage à vous et à la prochaine video bonne soirée

[@clifforddalton3067]

give us a smile now and again :)

[@boriskolnestrov9957]

amazing job looks like submarine tubes manifold valves and more

[@martijnvs]

Is there anything you *can't* do? You're multitalented for sure!

[@nvlvdave]

Looking great, Paul! So glad you did well on your electrical inspection. Bonding the metal gas and water pipes also prevents you from having either system becoming energized with AC - imagine a rodent gnaws thru a wire and the bare hot lays against a pipe. That sucks having to install those recepts by the railing - the floor boxes were a good idea. Couple questions on the gas install - I thought you had to use the yellow teflon tape for petroleum applications?? Also, I thought the gas system had to be reduced in diameter as it went along , according to calcs for the equipment it feeds??? Much easier if you can just run a 3/4" the whole way, though. Definitely not a plumber here and have NO experience with propane (yet). Awesome progress and love the attention to detail!

[@MrPostFrame]

Technically yes you are supposed to be yellow Teflon which is thicker than the white. The guy that taught me 20 years ago was to use white Teflon and pipe dope on top of that. Long time ago but I have had continued success doing it that way so I continue. I really should just use the yellow. I don’t really have any other reason for not using it other than just doing what I’ve done for years. As far as the gas system goes I will be doing a 2 psi second stage regulator and then maxitrol line regulators at my appliances. I’ll do a video on it.

[@BarryLawrensen]

As always, looks great, Paul! Have you considered using a tankless water heater rather than a boiler for your in-floor heat? I'm going to use a takagi 180,000 BTU tankless heater fueled by LP for my in-floor heat. It was engineered by a company that designs systems online. And from my research, I'm quite confident in the tankless heater rather than a boiler. With a boiler, you heat the water to 140° or higher, and then have to mix it with cold water so you don't have water too hot for the in concrete pecs tubing.

[@fredcarter7003]

Nice work on the manifold

[@donniematz]

Looks good! What are the inspections like for the plumbing ? Can the LP company connect the tank before the plumbing is signed off on?

[@geohac2456]

i really enjoy all the videos you make.

[@glen748]

The teflon tape you used is technically not for gas lines. The gas can degrade that tape over time. There is a gas teflon tape. Its on a yellow roll as opposed to blue. Its usually next to the flexible appliance gas lines in the store. You did double up with gas pipe dope so you should be fine. But for the information of others.

[@sh839c]

Inspector might pass it with the pipe dope and tape combo. Should be yellow gas rated tape.

[@rogerspencer1232]

You didn’t leave a drip leg in your manifold. Clean out.

[@danielgabriel6992]

He did it at the lowest part of system. In my state they want a min 8 inch dripleg at each appliance and one at main source outside with shutoff valve

[@travis1555]

Nice stove in the canning room, I thought that gas line was going to a gas dryer at first.

[@davidzimmer2694]

Nice layout on the manifold. Your work reminds me of the Germans and their mechanical rooms. They are as clean and organized as a operating room..lol. Nice work sir.

[@azizmoussalli2448]

Travail bien soigné. Bravo

[@chrislarsen8171]

Looks great but definitely not how I’ve seen systems ran, Don’t know how efficient the system will be , it will be a two regulator system that’s adjustable, as for grounding the lines , we’ve always frowned upon the gas line being grounded as it makes it like a lightning rod. But definitely enjoy watching all your videos even though I’m way late, congratulations.

[@chivodelacampana1]

Good morning. Terrific video. Very illustrative. Is there any requirement on NFPA 54 or 58 that required that the manifold be located on the kitchen? From Panama. Thanks in advance for your interest.

[@KevIn-vr6rw]

looking good!

[@williamgreen4757]

Ask the propane company to install a wrenchless outside gas cutoff valve incase of fire.

[@29tolle]

Put the outlets towards the bottom in the beams that attach to the rails instead of going the floor route more custom I dont know though!!

[@kungfumoviejunkie2311]

Helllo - I have enjoyed watching your journey from the start. I have learned a lot. thank you. Question? When you were outside showing where the gas line enters the house, it still looks like dirt is splashing up against the side of your home after it rains. In one of your previous videos you indicated that problem before and stated that your new gutters will resolve that issue. Have you installed your new gutters yet? Thanks in advance.

[@bluebowtieo4]

I thought the male seal of a union was supposed to point in the direction of flow? Nice job, keep up the good work.

[@larryeaton7384]

Think about it! If that were water, where would you set the male half of the union? With the flow or against the flow? Which would be more likely to leak?

[@gvhiii]

Marshall did the inspector allow you to tywrap to the conduit the #6 ground wire from the gas manafold to the circuit panel here in Hawaii it’s not allowed. Love how neat and clean everything is.

[@ullrsdream]

without getting too crazy into specific HI codes, what's the reason they would not allow zip tying to it? Is using separate plastic hangers more standard? Also what's the issue with the #6? What would the change be?

[@tomdix5167]

In my experience there are many good builders/contractors and then there are a few artisans who can build homes themselves without subs if they had to (one of who I worked for). You sir I consider in the latter group. I hope in another life you are training someone to take your place. In my case it was my post-military career job and I was too old to want to make it a second career. Surprised to see your "laundry/garage kitchen", any video explaining it? I had a customer that wanted one in his garage then decided against it.

[@budweiser9224]

I’m curious as to what pressure the propane is entering your home. The inlet and 3/4 “ manifold seems to small for 7 appliances.

[@americanadventureoutdoors4213]

I was thinking same thing , I usually have to up size my supplie lines to meet the max amount of pressure needed for all appliances running !

[@joebledsoe257]

Thinking the same?

[@larryzdanis5377]

Thinking same.. would think a trunkline should normally be at least one size bigger than the manifold lines, Just like a highway has more lanes than side roads.

[@TroyWarr1980]

He mentioned in another comment that it's a 2psi system, which is 5x the typical 11" of water column.

[@FredD63]

Great job thats exactly how I make gas manifolds except I use auto snap fittings and Trac pipe gas line to my black hard pipe…

[@MrPostFrame]

Thanks for watching!

[@traviscaudill8945]

I hadn't noticed that little kitchen/ laundry area before. Is that going to stay or is it temporary to provide during the build?

[@chipsekulich1603]

Appreciate your videos. Vert informative!

[@clutch747]

wow thank u

[@MrPostFrame]

Thanks for watching!

[@nordyfamily]

great job, thanks for sharing

[@kylebonnice983]

Did you have any videos on the water heater you selected?

[@steverosenbaum2469]

Many jurisdictions require the CSST pipe also to be bonded. Does yours?

[@GDOs]

did u ever get garage openers? if not, get the GENIE 6170HB or 6070

[@erikrezlman7900]

May I ask if you are a licensed gas guy? The reason I ask is the city we are building a cabin is has been crappy and requiring licensed everybody to do our trades work. Thanks

[@MrPostFrame]

No. We are fortunate and live in a county that allows for someone to do a lot of their own work. Our gas company did all of the main hook ups- they required it.

[@charlievanditmars6027]

Love the videos

[@williamgreen4757]

Don't you need colored gas teflon tape for your gas manafold pipes?

[@StevenCrothers]

I was thinking the same thing, I don't think white teflon is code for gas.

[@williamgreen4757]

@@StevenCrothers You know I may be wrong however its a question worth asking, I know that gasoline which is a high vapor solvent requires it. What do you think?

[@StevenCrothers]

@@williamgreen4757 I called a friend to ask just now, now, he's an electrician, but he does commercial and residential new builds. So he's probably a decent source, and in Michigan at least, for pipe fitting gas, you must have yellow teflon tape here. Or it will fail inspection.

[@williamgreen4757]

@@StevenCrothers Right, I thought perhaps pink or blue teflon tape. But its good to know that yellow is the right teflon compound for a propane or perhaps natural gas sealant. You should post that in a new post for safety.

[@staudtj1]

@@StevenCrothers I run the plumbing dept. at an ACE in Michigan and you are correct that the blue and white rolls of tape wont pass inspection in our State.

[@earlbieze2091]

You need Yellow Teflon tape for gas fittens and also need primer for you pvc connection purple primer

[@MrPostFrame]

Thanks Earl. I talk about the tape and pipe dope in the video. I use clear primer when I can to avoid staining anything. Especially since the concrete is going to be the finished floor.

[@ronjames9599]

Why did you have to change to black pipe before the stove?

[@HazItMade]

FYI, white teflon tape is not rated for gas lines. There's a yellow teflon that is. Otherwise, Mitch Fenneman is correct: Richard Trethewey would be proud!

[@aronteklu4355]

I love it

[@peterdement]

Why did you not put the shutoffs on while working on the vise?

[@chrisheminger391]

Is your walls sheath with fire rated plywood?

[@ChadCourtneyTAZ427]

Do you get to seal up those pipes between the house and garage where you've run the romex wire after final electrical inspection?

[@andrewdarbyshire9108]

He will have to use a fire stop product to keep the fire wall rating. This is minimum code requirements with a built on garage.

[@hazer00]

No garage door openers?

[@atozrecovery518]

If you ever get a union that want seal put never seize on threads and it will seal.

[@152lb.mousehole2]

CODE VIOLATION...Yellow Teflon for gas

[@johannesvanderkraan251]

Mister perfect!

[@flacohueso307]

Has your propane company said anything about cathodic protection on your underground lines. In some jurisdictions it is required plus an inspection by a CP company.

[@MrPostFrame]

I don’t have any lines under ground inside. As far as the outside line from the tank I have never been required to use cathodic protection.

[@ACR-Alex]

Out of curiosity, why do a manifold system and not a single line and T off to each appliance?

[@MrPostFrame]

Easier access to shut things off individually.

[@billmorris2613]

Good afternoon from St John Parish, Louisiana 17 Aug 20.

[@MrPostFrame]

You've been busy watching our channel! Thanks!

[@greatsoutherntrendkill79]

It’s easier to put your wall supports on before you put your manifold on the wall.

[@charlievanditmars6027]

I hope you put plugs in the unused taps in the manifold. Never depend on a valve only. Gas fitting 101 is never leave an open pipe.

[@darrellduncan6958]

Are you going to have a protein grill outside the house

[@victorvelarde310]

good explanatio, thanks

[@MrPostFrame]

Thanks for watching!

[@americanadventureoutdoors4213]

I recommend no tape , use a paste , pieces of tape can break off and end up blocking orifices off causing problems !

[@John-ip4hs]

Can you use flex gas line for outside of the house? I'm planning to install a BBQ station using the natural gas as fuel.

[@skoalsoldier]

John, there are some flexible CSST (corrugated stainless steel tubing) piping that is approved for outside, direct bury use. They have a specialized jacket on the pipe to protect it. If you decide to go that route then make sure you check to see if it is approved for outside use, and bond your system to the electrical panel (like he did in this video). I myself would rather use some 3/4” polyethylene plastic pipe (you could use 1/2” depending on distance), but each method has pros and cons.

[@johnloar6008]

forgot your jam nuts to keep the rod snug

[@rodneyhicks5837]

What state are you in ? It can't be New York . And are you going by the code FGC.?

[@MrPostFrame]

Iowa

[@larryeaton7384]

I did not take the time to read everyone of the comments about your video so I'll ask you straight out how did you get away with black iron Teflon tape on a GAS manifold? NPT GAS fittings no matter what are restricted to yellow tape especially in a gas line. Have you a response to this issue?

[@justocano143]

Hi should be 1/2 or 3/4 inch scct inside the house my main line is 3/4 thanks

[@thebesthello1786]

I like the way it looks, but that will not pass code according to the UPC.

[@chrislarsen8171]

The gas regulator isn’t set to any pressure, needs to be tested at the regulator with appliance running to check and adjust if needed, gas company is supposed to do all the work for you. It’s called a gas check , regulated rule. Technicians get specially trained for all this. Although you have done awesome work and research.

[@samx9024]

Gas manifold nice. Pipe sizing is pretty crucial for distance and btu load. Flashshield is nice in certain instances. Schedule 40 black pipe involves little skill and less cost. If the flexible gas line in your house ever received a lightning strike it would be good for one strike (at best)in the correct install/application. Then it will have pin holes...I've seen it...scary to say the least. I have a friend that parents house blew up (They were on LP). Sad deal. Please don't use flexible gas lines off your manifold. Your house is professionally build don't skimp on the mechanicals.

[@philiphorner31]

Some places don't allow tape on gas

[@MrPostFrame]

Yeah, definitely check with your local situation

[@bojangles_bonjangles8000]

I’m shocked you can run 7 branch lines the same size as the incoming manifold distribution line...

[@andrewdarbyshire9108]

I’m concerned about that as well. Worse case just run it all high pressure and reduce it at the appliance but it’s easier and cheaper to do it the right way the first time.

[@artisticboundaries]

He said he was going to reduce it at the appliance.

[@andrewdarbyshire9108]

The Artistic Boundaries Co. if he were to have all the gas appliances running at the same time that’s where he would have an issue.

[@andrewdarbyshire9108]

The Artistic Boundaries Co. with gas you need volume not just pressure.

[@TroyWarr1980]

I wondered about that too, but in another comment he said it's a 2psi system, which is 5x the typical 11" of water column. In that case, the main/manifold pipe size is probably already slightly overkill, and the branch lines are probably WAY overkill.

[@greatsoutherntrendkill79]

You never use white Teflon on gas

[@tjeick]

Sucks that you couldn’t get natural gas! Surprised you didn’t spring for a geothermal heat pump system instead of LP.

[@bubugec]

Смотрим в России. Урал. Очень интересно, чему то учимся

[@19761234561]

Where it’s the drip leg?

[@MrPostFrame]

There are a couple. The first one is right where the gas line enters the structure.

[@thebesthello1786]

6 gas outlets on a 3/4 inch run. Please tell me how that's going to work. 3/4 inch gas pipe natural gas will only carry 375000 BT use LP gas. 3/4 inch should carry over 500000 B TU

[@MrPostFrame]

It’s a 2psi system.

[@thebesthello1786]

What state are you building in?

[@thebesthello1786]

All I was saying for UPC code that would not pass.

[@TroyWarr1980]

@@thebesthello1786 I assume you're basing those numbers on the typical 11" water column, which is 0.4psi. This is 5x the pressure, so it's going to flow much more gas through the same size pipe.