GATES MCFADDEN: Turning Down Star Trek, Facing Her Stalker, Muppets BTS & David Bowie Memories

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Gates McFadden (Star Trek, Labyrinth) joins us this week to share her decades worth of experience with Staroliou Trek - from her true feelings about certain storylines, to her bond with the Next Generation cast, to her favorite reveals in Picard.
After some ‘inside baseball’ talk about our shared passion for podcasting, Gates shares terrifying stories of coming face-to-face with her stocker multiple times… before there were safeguards or laws that protected women from predatory men.
We also talk about her love for David Bowie, her forgotten kiss with Bill Murray, and her time working alongside muppet master Jim Henson.
Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
6:34 - Gates McFadden
9:37 - Star Trek family
12:55 - Innate youthfulness
18:55 - Stop and drink some water
21:45 - Family upbringing
26:20 - Becoming an actor
30:59 - Getting fired from Star Trek
35:05 - Pulled back in
44:10 - Anne Margarette of Ohio
46:00 - Crazed stalker stories
52:43 - Jim Henson and Kermit the Frog
57:32 - Working with David Bowie
58:30 - Picard reveals
1:03:17 - ShitTalkin
1:06:20 - Bill Murray surprise
1:11:20 - Outro
1:13:45 - Couldn’t do it without you
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GATES MCFADDEN: Turning Down Star Trek, Crazy Stalker Stories, Behind the Muppets & David Bowie Memories #insideofyou #gatesmcfadden #startrek

[@Brook11223]

She was awesome in Star Trek Picard. We got the best out of Crusher in this series for sure. The comedic timing with her was so good.

[@paulpolpiboon9535]

I disagree. but yes her acting skills are amazing, if not even sharper than ever (Gates rules) but the CHARACTER was shit to me, ruined as far as I'm concerned. Love my Blu rays of TNG where I can see Crusher for real. That'll be eternal

[@newsbender]

Literally nothing about the Picard series was awesome or even good. Utter regurgitated shite.

[@seancampbell1383]

@@paulpolpiboon9535 but it’s important to remember that this is Crusher after decades of experience after the Enterprise D :)

[@manfredullrich483]

​@@paulpolpiboon9535 agree here, very well played by her, but written in a rather strange way. Yes, characters evolve over time, and if major things happen to you the effects might be quite profound. But TNG Crusher was the "better" character for me, maybe less realistic or a bit cut and dried. But, back then she was an exemplary role model you would strive for, that has changed in Picard, unfortunately.

[@michaelSlick50]

Picard was awesome. Such a treat to get her for a whole season.

[@jorymil]

I worked at Brandeis for a decade. Gates McFadden was really famous on campus, and hearing about her got me back into watching TNG. Just an amazing woman.

[@Martinbeef]

Gates was underused in TNG and always had such a great screen presence. I was so pleased to see her in the final series of Picard, where she really shone. I hope they get to do more if there are further series of another show with the younger generation, who were especially in the final series too. Good luck to her in the future. She’s just brilliant (as we say in the U.K.).

[@krane15]

With due respect to McFadden, nobody tunes in to she her; she's not the star of the show.

[@kennethbaker5223]

@@krane15 You don't speak for "nobody".

[@christheghostwriter]

Picard S3 was awful. It was the most fan-servicey series in TV history. Pretty much every scene was taken from previous Trek shows and films. The only somewhat original idea was the thing about Changelings using the transporters, but even the plot plotline about Changelings infiltrating Starfleet was done before. The storyline was overstuffed with the Borg and the Changelings, both of which had already been defeated in various ways in previous Trek shows. There was hardly anything original in the entire season. It was just a long string of nostalgic memberberries (I really started to check out when Moriarty showed up for literally no reason). Such a disappointing conclusion to the series

[@redpillsatori3020]

@@christheghostwriter..true, but it was still better than S1 and S2

[@christheghostwriter]

@@redpillsatori3020 I can't go along with the herd on that one. At least S1 and S2 *tried* to do something new

[@kryten09]

What a radiant women. I'm not just talking "looks", I mean the whole package. Smart, talented, funny, beautiful. That childhood crush comes flooding back decades later knowing she's a awesome person.

[@Trishwich]

I love Gates. I met her at a Star Trek Convention a while back & felt an instant kinship. This fellow actor/creator hopes to be at least half as awesome & genuine as she. What a talented sweetheart.

[@vcg73]

Although I've been a huge Star Trek: TNG fan since it first aired, I never spent a lot of time learning about the cast's personal lives, so these interviews with Wheaton, Frakes, Spiner, and now Gates McFadden have been very interesting to watch. I'd love to see the rest of the gang on here sometime, particularly LeVar Burton who has been a favorite since the early days of Reading Rainbow. (Which is apparently 40 years old today!)

[@Allen2saint]

She’s an actors actor. Her craft in Picard was so evolved. I wasn’t in love with a few plot points, but her acting was excellent.

[@rhydlew]

Rewatch s4 e11 when Data approaches Crusher for lessons. It's a dynamite scene.

[@langleymneely]

As a former theater kid and acting nerd I bristle when ever an actor doesn’t at least know who Jaques le Coq is! I adore Gates MacFadden, wonderful lady and talent!❤

[@scotts.3831]

Gates is friggin amazing!!! She is smart, funny and very down to earth. I look back on TNG and see how great the episodes were where she took front and center.

[@craig357]

Picard Season 3 was awesome. Gates portrayed her character so well. Plummer was brilliant (reminds me of my mother ha ha) and Stashwick as Captain Shaw was funny as much as it was cool as his viewpoints gradually changed over the series. The rest of the cast as superb as always.

[@5Gburn]

Loved Stashwick. What a great character arc and performance!

[@drawrobot]

Yes to more Star Trek folks. I adore Gates. Just binged season one of Strange New Worlds and it’s fantastic. It’d be cool to have any of that cast on.

[@cloudwatcher608]

SNW was such an unexpected breath of fresh air for me. Though Picard and Discovery have really awesome parts to them, I think Star Trek simply thrives in the episodic story-telling structure. Not to mention the cast and set design are out-of-this-world

[@Krypton_Ken]

Anson popped up on an episode of Talkville recently to discuss the Smallville ep he was in. It was really fun. Would love for Rosey to do a whole hour of Inside Of You with him.

[@TheGeekAuthority]

What an amazing down-to-earth woman Gates appears to be. Her intelligent demeanor and love of theatre and constantly moving to keep herself busy and challenged is inspiring. Wonderful and fun acting, Star Trek and theater behind the scene's insight. Bravo Gate's! Thanks again Michael!

[@dizzlebizzle8424]

Gates* isn't possessive, it is her name, so the apostrophe is wrong. Also the plural of scene is *scenes* and if you wanted to make it possessive the apostrophe would come after the s. I'm not sure why one person would use the two different spellings of "theater/theatre" either. I hereby demote you from Geek Authority to Typo Authority. edit: after my comment you edited yours to correct the first "Gate's" but nothing else, which is stranger than simply making the mistakes originally.

[@CheezayBallz]

@@dizzlebizzle8424 You clearly have too much time on your hands.

[@azrielmateria8050]

@@CheezayBallz that or the hypervigilance is on overdrive!

[@lordofthereels6790]

I'm loving these TNG interviews and hope that you get the rest of the cast. Leave Burton, Michael Dorn and Patrick Stewart have voices made for podcasts and I'd love to hear Stand By Me, Toy Soldiers & Robin Williams stories from Wheton.

[@sweiland75]

LOL It's Levar Burton.

[@nathansnerdynook]

Wil Wheaton has actually already been on the podcast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/apbSdZh_rJx6Z6s

[@FiZc]

Hope Dorn is next. So far I think Frakes was the most interesting. Funny how you didn't mention Sirtis at all :) Has to be the least interesting of the crew.

[@derka90]

@@FiZcMarina's not boring at all ;)

[@WessyD123]

Marina's the most outragous one of the bunch..

[@cryptyknyk]

She is the literally original definitely of a lady. The grace and youthful energy she exudes is just amazing and at her current age. It's like she's the same as she was when I first saw her in Star Trek years ago as a kid and I'm in my 30s now.

[@Gman-109]

Brilliant interview. I've always loved Gates in Trek, and her performance was 10+ in season 3 of Picard. So happy Gates decided to do it.

[@adny02]

I'm so happy, proud, and glad for this interview! Thank you for having Gates on. Ever since the TNG cast went to theaters, I've always thought she had limited exposure on those films. I understand in a 2 hour movie you can only focus on the 3 leads of the story. Sure, I get that. But wow, she was pushed to far back. I personally thought each film could have focused on a character's specific field. That way each non lead character would have one film to make them shine. Then the films ended, and I barely/ rarely see any individual cameos, interviews, discussions, etc. with Dr. Crusher! Outside of specific cons. I mean guest spots on Big Bang Theory. Or Good Morning America, etc. God bless the show runners of Picard Season 3 for recognizing the character needed a story to address where her character is in the universe. It was like they channeled right into my brain and gave me a TNG 10 hour movie with a focus on Dr Crusher! It's always great to see Gates. And I'm glad that she was given a chance to be with her TNG family, and they all now have a proper farewell for us TNG fans!

[@dad_jokes_4ever226]

Great to see a Gates MacFadden interview ... She really comes across as a wonderful person . My opinion is no way influenced by the crush I may have had on her when I was a kid watching SNG ....

[@Mitth.Raw.Nurudo]

Humble, intelligent, dedicated to her craft. What an amazing woman.

[@theresemarkham9387]

This episode is awesome! Gates definitely opens up and she has so many great stories. Her Next Generation character is definitely inspiring. She definitely can play a wide range of roles and should be given a chance. Love this podcast.

[@fr514]

One my favourite interviews so far. Fascinating person. I bet she's an excellent teacher.

[@kellypfeiffer7077]

Picard season three was amazing. Every episode was like a theatrical release. The storyline, the effects and actors were outstanding and Gates crushed it (pun intended), Amanda Plummer was award winning. It was the best film or television I've seen in the last several years.... Andor was a close second place. Hopefully Paramount decides to do StarTrek: Legacy and Gates certainly could be a part of that show with her son being a crew member.

[@drea4195]

What an incredible person! Gates is way beyond a "triple threat" -- she really does it all. And she does it with a graciousness and humble nature, despite all her accomplishments. It's a hackneyed phrase by now, but Gates McFadden may be one of the few actors that truly deserves the title of National Treasure. 🌟

[@mgrandison1]

Thank you, Michael and Gates for a wonderful conversation!

[@daverich3352]

Great to hear what she has to say and her stories. It makes me think back to watching Star Trek TNG in the late 80's as a teenager when I knew nothing of Gates McFadden, and here I am watching this in 2023.

[@joshuabekel9700]

I can totally envisage her as Eleanor of Aquitaine in The Lion in Winter.

[@skidawg22]

I do highly recommend Gates' podcast, especially if you're a Star Trek fan.

[@royeaston6067]

Whats it called?

[@Eremon1]

Listening to Gates(Cheryl) talk about her attempt to remember a driving route and immediately thought; "All those years of riding the Transporter made it easier to get lost." 🤣 Also, ST:TNG is the one cast group that you can immediately tell they are a real family and love one another truly. Probably had some really good arguments and mini fights as well, like a real family.

[@freddifan73]

Terry Matalas (showrunner, directed the Picard finale) did the final episode of The Ready Room with Wil Wheaton (who, when he got the full tour of the new Enterprise-D bridge, had that same excitement he had the first time he stepped foot on the original set) for Picard. He said that final scene with the whole TNG cast, once the scripted stuff was out of the way he just let the cameras roll and had them just be themselves. He said there's about 45 minutes of footage of them just sitting around the poker table talking and joking around. I hope when they release the DVD/Bluray that whole 45 minutes is in the special features

[@InfinitySquared79]

She is still so charismatically beautiful...and as evidenced by Picard S3, still so very talented...it's a crime she hasn't been given more to do the last twenty years...

[@gerrydooley951]

yeah she had a very charismatic face lift

[@padme1018]

All these years I never knew why gates was not in the second season of TNG. Always learn something new here. Great interview!

[@kadosho02]

Gates is amazing. Her journey is incredible. Love her stories. Returning to Picard, season 3 felt like a homecoming. And sets up a + future

[@jefetters7182]

She crushed it in Picard. Her acting was stellar.

[@RetroGaming_07]

A very good episode for sure with Gates. She was one of the best actors on The Next Generation hands down. I've always been a trekki so this episode was a very good one.

[@mrgrumpy888]

I'm really happy that Dr Crusher was actually an integral part of the main storyline of S3 of Picard. She was completely decorative in the TNG movies, unfortunately.

[@chiefb2906]

I'll never forget the story about my mom working as a housekeeper in a hotel, excitedly finding what she thought was a pristine uneaten pizza only to discover it completely covered in toenail clippings...

[@li5bon]

Fantastic that Gates appeared on your show 👏💯. She is great!!!. A wonderful interview. Love that you are having TNG actors appear on your show 👍

[@willmendoza8498]

Always adored her. Always wished she was in more stuff. Really talented

[@lindamawdsley6130]

Loved this episode Gates is such an interesting, creative and talented lady she definitely knows what she likes and works hard to achieve her goals. The rapport between you was great, thank you for having her on the podcast I will definitely check out her work😊

[@jynx2501]

You need to have Lavar AND Mica Burton on the same episode! They could talk about Picard Season 3, Critical Role, how amazing it was to grow up with "The Reading Rainbow Guy!" Etc...

[@desertbookworm]

Great conversation with this incredible lady! Gates McFadden is the absolute coolest talent and you really got her to open up. She was phenomenal in ST: Picard and hope we get to see her on screen again soon.

[@burtbakerack1110]

Please keep talking with these Star Trek legends. Such great chats.

[@funkybottoms1975]

Great interview! Such a classy lady and very intelligent. I get a sense of poise within her personality. I would enjoy seeing her in some projects in the future. Absolute showstopper in Picard season 3.

[@viningwolff7781]

one of my childhood crushes. aging like fine wine.

[@levonsyers7751]

I have always had a crush on Gates. I am half her age, but that wouldn’t stop me. She’s still really beautiful and intelligent .

[@leannepritchett6323]

Really loving this. I am clinging to every word. Such a down to earth lady. Thank you Rosey for having her and many of the TNG cast on. You are truly the best 🙏❤️.

[@theresemarkham9387]

Excited to listen to this one. I loved her character Dr. Beverly Crusher from Star Trek Next Generation.

[@johnking5174]

It seems nearly every actor in the main cast of Star Trek: The Next Generation are just lovely people - very little egos and just a warm community of people.

[@miabuck5172]

About 7 years ago, I had a dream where Gates and I were playing a game of cards on a train. I woke up, and I was sad that it wasn't real. I think about that dream moment on The Train every damn day. I miss it.

[@Mainstayjay]

I'm just starting out this video but I wanted to say that I really enjoyed the last episode with your uncle Warren. He has lived an amazing life! What a great episode, one of my favorite so far.

[@dominique9187]

Another exciting podcast on the place occupied by women in the difficult world of show business ! 💗 Gates is an amazing actress, she is lovely, smart and passionate !Yet à bright IOU🎆✨ Thank you Michael and Ryan !💙❤

[@himynameisnickolas]

Such a great interview. I love Gates, she so talented in so many different facets and she has had an incredible life with amazing stories.

[@Monstori]

Gates Mcfadden what a class act.

[@ThinMantheGhost]

Her experience with a stalker was fucking terrifying. My mom went through something similar before I was born.

[@454brianbat]

I met her in 1992 at a convention with Maria Sertis. I thought they were great. I was a young 13 year old. That was awesome. This was a great interview/ conversation.

[@infowarriorone]

Gates' talent was far underutilized in TNG, and especially in the theatrical releases. That being said, she played an invaluable role as the mother to the teenage character which became Lieutenant Wesley Crusher. Star Trek has always been a youth-oriented franchise and I personally became an obsessed 'trekkie' in my teens because of TNG. Wesley was the character I could Identify with as if he were one of my peers.

[@thecunninlynguist]

She was so awesome in picard.

[@teckyify]

Yeah but unfortunately Picard was shit 😂

[@harmonyexists2834]

"It's a lot like Beirut." 😆😆😆 I did not expect that comparison pertaining to Jim Henson. 😆😆

[@magnificus8581]

I worked with her briefly on building the Atwater Theater, she was a very kind and giving person!

[@jasonstupak4535]

Fantastic, thanks so much! Got to meet her in person quite a few years ago. Such an amazing and nice lady.

[@sablehillgsdsbecca3673]

Another great episode. Wow was wonderful listening to Gates talk and her career and life. I grow up watching her on Star Trek Next Generation. The stocker thing was a omg, I was like wow as if the police back then didn't take that seriously. That's scary, glad she was okay in the end of that. People need to respect one's life and privacy. Have a wonderful day to you all of you.

[@wendyc2879]

Enjoyed today’s interview Michael!! Hope you get to feeling better.

[@seancampbell1383]

I am so happy that she came on the show!! What great insight into someone who I think is an absolute inspiration! Loving the Trek interviews lately!

[@CubicIronPyrite]

I have always loved Gates's voice.

[@drwhotardis]

I'm up so late (Sydney, Australia), I managed to catch this post seconds instead of days later. Loving your podcasts. Yes, more Star Trek actors. Maybe some second visits?

[@ThielKlenner]

What a great woman - an amazing person - I'd love to see her do more acting 🥰 You are right Michael - she can play everything I think.😍 Love your show!

[@iDX1701]

She comes off as a super fake Hollywood type

[@killjoybandito]

Loved this interview!!!

[@anthonyfrench3169]

I really appreciate your chill style interview process and this is a nice behind the scenes that you offer thanks man

[@kelrune]

"Get the Rifle" - i love gates even more now.

[@LyonsDenMedia]

YESSSS! I got to meet and talk podcasting with Gates at Megacon. Brought you up and she mentioned shed be on. Been waiting ever since!

[@MiguelSilva-ty5do]

I wish I could sit in on some of these interviews before they were edited. The people you interview seem so genuine and down to earth. I liked her in Hunt for Red October and even though I liked Anne Archer, I think Gates would have played a perfect opposite for Harrison Ford's Jack Ryan. Side note, living in New Mexico I don't see too many actors or actresses but have seen a few and I always try to respect their privacy. I remember seeing Natale Portman when she was filming Thor but she was eating lunch and I didn't want to bother her. I work for the county and had to help Commissioner Steven Michael Quezada and we talked for a few as I helped him but respected him. I hate hearing about stalkers and the person being stalked always having to look over their shoulder.

[@xtreamchance]

I liked Beverly Crusher better in Picard. And I can see why, back in the day I pitched a script that was Beverly focused and was told it was a no go, a non-starter because "no one" wanted to work with Gates. And the Beverly focused stories that made it through always had her scenes one on one, Beverly with Worf, Beverly with Troi, few Beverly with more than 3 characters. Now I can see it was the problems with the misogyny of the writer mentioned in the pod cast. WOW...let's just keep the women in short skirts as Denise Crosby said just saying "hailing frequencies open, Captain."

[@MoeTea4U]

Thank you Mrs. McFadden for being in ST:TNG I enjoyed you're character Dr Crusher. I was a young teenager when I started watching you and the rest of the cast :) Always been a nerd for ST; I am hopeful we end up with something like Starfleet.

[@ronwisegamgee]

Great interview! Gates is looking fantastic at her age! I really enjoyed her performances on ST: TNG. Haven't seen ST: Picard yet, but I look forward to seeing her performances on that show as well!

[@synxen6275]

Just listening to her, it would be SO easy to fall in love with her. Wow, what a wise, sensitive, sweet, intelligent woman;...and I could list probably 20 more positive attributes about her. Amazing woman!!

[@boblaker8676]

What an awesome person and great conversation! Thank you and greetings from Vienna, Austria!

[@LiLisa24]

Best thing about Tuesdays 💙 Thank you Michael ❤

[@rebeccarebeccaa2515]

You were really popular. I went to a star trek convention after the first season and news came out that you would not be returning for the second season. A flyer came out, i wish i had save it, to save dr. Crusher. Gene came out sometime near the end and he said something along the line that "it was his show and he could do, what he wanted".

[@BardWannabe]

I love that she called you out for talking about yourself too much.

[@maddogpcgs]

how do you only have 250k subscribers? Almost criminal. Loving these Interviews!!

[@azrielmateria8050]

That was a great show. I love Star Trek and have watched every incantation. Keep them Trek Guests coming:)

[@ninoletigre]

I’m so glad you had Gates on. She is so charming. ❤

[@edeclark]

I have to wonder if Gates in season #1 didn't feel kinda like Beverly must've felt in the later episode "Remember Me" where she was the only person that really knew what was going on and everyone else was "Whoa....there sure is something wrong with Bev over there!" as the crew slowly disappeared and she was the only one that realized what was going on. I'm pretty close to Wheaton in age so I wasn't paying much attention to why people left shows, etc. at that time. I just remember coming back to the show for season #2 and seeing Dr. Pulaski and thinking "Hey...that's weird. What's up with that?". I never liked Pulaski so I was happy to see Crusher come back. I used to think it was the character of Pulaski I didn't like and no offense to Ms. Muldaur but I saw her other two appearances in the original show and I didn't like her then either. Its possible I just didn't like any of her characters...maybe???? :) She treated Data like crap but I thought "well...that's just her character" ....and it WAS just the character in that case. But, just recently actually!, I saw her second appearance on TOS and thought "Damn...I don't like her here in this third role either!". I'm not entirely sure if it just didn't work out for Muldaur in TNG or this of that or the other thing. It's really all just speculation because we weren't there. I just get the vibe that she thought that she was "above" doing TV and didn't like Trek in general. I do think that she had hesitation about coming into the show in Season #2 so maybe in part it wasn't her fault at all if she took a role she didn't want in the first place. I've never seen her performances in any other show/movie/theatre/whatever BESIDES "Trek"-related things so maybe I'm just wrong I don't know. I know that she didn't fit into Trek-world though no matter which character she played. That's how I feel anyway.....

[@tonygrillo3885]

I love Gates!!! Cant wait to see her in Picard!!!

[@jackiesmith4241]

Watch it now! You won't regret it.

[@tonygrillo3885]

@@jackiesmith4241 I'm plowing through season 1 right now. I was so happy to see Riker and Troi

[@scotlandtheinsane3359]

​@@tonygrillo3885 Don't even bother with season 1 and 2. They're atrocious! Season 3, however, slaps hard! It's amazing 🤩

[@tonygrillo3885]

@@scotlandtheinsane3359 ...I have a channel called Wisconsin Hugs where I did a series spoofing Picard as a quarterback in the NFL. I'm a big fan like you and the spoofs made me realize how much I missed Picard and crew so I'm really happy just to have them back!!!

[@scotlandtheinsane3359]

@@tonygrillo3885 Yep. Frankly, it's better than the films (bar 'First Contact'). It's so nice that we got that...

[@zzschulzz]

Wonderful interview!

[@bluedale6563]

Great podcast,,,,,,,,Thank you..........HAPPY NEW YEAR

[@JustB3NJI]

I could listen to Gates for days.

[@TheEliFamily]

You have a niche with actors that is way more insightful than other interviewers can do. Well done 👍

[@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle]

What a great interview! I never understood the "intimidating woman" idea. If a woman is that capable in so many ways like Gates and she still wants me (since women usually want men who are capable) it couldn't make me feel better about myself, not less. So glad I got to hear this interview!

[@zounds13]

74 years old. Incredible.

[@Dumplin42]

I love the surprises in Star Trek Picard - season 3. Gates was fantastic and the script really did good by her.

[@j.mallay]

Definitely loving the TNG cast on the podcast. Keep getting em, and then move on to the other series!

[@GlennTillema]

Amazing interview!

[@jamess6352]

She is right. They really should have done more for her character in Star Trek. Pehaps she needs her own spin off show :) The Crusher Chronicles with Wil.

[@danilejai7801]

I’m digging the Star Trek interviews!

[@DonnyWinter]

Gates is so iconic. She SHINED on Star Trek Picard!

[@TexasNorthDFW]

This was amazing!

[@beaumcmahon2556]

"Taking Care of Business". An underrated movie. Something elegant about her.

[@DisappearingBoy2010]

She totally seems down to earth

[@ace360]

Another Amazing Episode 💙👏

[@logankerlee]

I enjoyed watching her so much! A great episode. :)

[@briangressett902]

I love Gates Love your interviews.