Cycling Brands You've NEVER Heard Of | EUROBIKE 2024 (Day 3)

[@gcntech]

What tech caught your eye? Let us know in the comments 💬

[@Alfadrottning86]

just on the last chainring .. you said what? doing 2500 watts? Do riders actually do that much? Considering i (a normal person) barely does 300 watts peak .. . edit: did an online calculation - with my bike (my non e-bike .. a dutch bike weighing what feels like about 15-18kg) and my own weight .. i would go 75kph at 2500 watts ... in my environment (sea level, flat, asphalt - no wind or elevation). i would predict my bike desintegrating past 40 kph though, like literally falling apart. It already rattles dangerously at 20 kph. A professional might weigh more than i do .. but they have much, much better gear .. so i expect a professional with top end gear to have to cycle 80-85 kph at 2500 watts. While probably not unheard of .. it still feels very high. Uh, come to think of that ... what IS the top speed of highspeed cyclists anyway .. is it around 90 kph?

[@feedbackzaloop]

So no road CUES this year either? Okey Dokey👍

[@chriseaton4486]

Where do we sign up for the new KZbin GCN membership?

[@owenchase4017]

I am using the Ltwoo 2x7 shifters on my favorite road bike and they are working well.

[@birdingsualk9865]

Using the wheeltop groupset on my own for about 1,5 months now...After 530km i can not say anything negative about it. I'm loving it. Using it as a 9speed groupset

[@Burkhard_Ehnes]

folks at GCN: Take these 3 reports by Alex from Eurobike as benchmarks. Don't go back from this! They were outstanding. By far superior to everything I ever watched. No idea who the selection of content happens. Having been on EB that selection seems to be very appropriate. Very well appreciated I in particular as well the density of content - no clutter - no diversion, still convenient to follow. Congrats!

[@ChinaCycling]

Some good brands / products in there... kudos for going off the beaten path. ;)

[@gcntech]

We loved soaking up some of the less common bits of bike tech 🙌 Did we miss anything?

[@LimitedWard]

Technically you could argue those bamboo bikes are carbon fiber 🤔

[@PeterSmithCA]

Am running the LTwoo eGR on my gravel bike. So far one slight issue, but that was mostly on me. I had a chain drop (from not cutting it short enough) behind the cassette, binding things, and when I did the derailleur seemed to not work correctly any more. But I just held the button on it and it factory reset, and worked flawlessly since. The ability to micro adjust each gear with the app is fantastic. Did it on a recent ride when 5th and 6th were "clicking" - also can connect to your head unit, tho battery always reports as critical on my Edge 530.

[@bqvidiq]

That 100t chainring would be perfect on my climbing bike's cassette

[@Chris-jc3lr]

Only really for when I am doing zone 2

[@SteevyTable]

I bet if you paired that 100T chainring to Seth's 74T cog it would almost feel like a normal gear.

[@stevemyrick5738]

The finish on the Korean wheel set that Alex marveled at is Mother of Pearl created by a Korean artist and representing a Korean art form.

[@alanfreeman7932]

Somebody watched Hambini

[@cb6866]

Thanks Alex and crew...love Titanium 3-D printed ....anything , too !

[@LoscoeLad]

finally, GCN get into Hall 9 and the Chinese brands! Ltwoo, titanium frames, decent hubs and cheap power meters.. great stuff Always makes me laugh how impressed Alex is by bling, too! ooh, special anodising!

[@babybopkidsrock5713]

As a badminton player who cycles those titanium frames with that shuttlecock gives me the fizz

[@gcntech]

Alex has been known to have that effect 👀

[@OlegsKop]

I have Wheeltop EDS groupset. It work great. What is even better is price - got it for 640euro! For me, solution with 1 buton for front derauleur is great, as there is twoo gers in the front you push the same button to change one of gears to other. Regarding shifting speed, you can switch in app to ''racing mode'' and gears going to shift much faster. As i understand, it's made for battery economy. Have this group for 5 month and used to charge it only once after made some thousands km. This is my first electronic group and i am very happy to have it.

[@shaung1719]

Yep not dealing with internal frame battery packs is a godsend , so is avoiding sram pricing. Alex was right about chainring speed though, even in sport mode its slower than Di2.

[@karaokekonge]

I know! I knooow!!! ..GCN haven't got the budget for it, but.. I'd love to see a bike build, with all of those 'unknown' parts, and see how it performs. And if possible..Make it beautiful

[@TimR123]

Nice video on the 'second tier' products at the show. Well paced and good images to really see them. You asked if any of us have used these products yet. I put the LTWOO eGR group on my gravel bike two months ago. As you point out, it can support 10-12 speed setups for compatibility with the rest of the drive train which is great if you've already got two wheels with cassettes, cranks etc in wide range 11s and hate to spend on replacing that. In my case it was to replace a mechanical Force 1 that was modded to support a 11-50 cassette. The LTWOO only specifies to 46t but it is running well on my 50t. Setup was simple and relatively no fuss. (some wire routing creativity needed but that was due to my frame not the groupset). Shifting is crisp and precise. I don't have enough time yet to say anything about reliability. And while I've washed the bike with a hose without incident but I haven't had rain here yet (there were early reports with the road version about water ingress). My only real complaint is that both shifters have identical paddles but the only thing you can do with them is decide whether to shift on the left OR right side. No ability to use both in combination etc. LTWOO support told me they are considering options in an update but nothing yet. (I'd love to see an option to use them up/down L/R like AXS paddles)

[@michaelfisher9760]

I loved that video! Anything to do with beautiful engineering is like catnip to me.

[@gcntech]

Join the queue 🙌

[@andreemurray7039]

L2 will soon be a brand that will take on the big 3 with price and the shifting

[@wtfiswiththosehandles]

Yeah, might be. I have their R9 groupset and honestly, the feel of shifting is on par with 105, but R9's hoods, levers - feel so much better to me.

[@gcntech]

They are certainly holding there own 🙌

[@space.youtube]

It's odd that the L-Twoo's ability to be used on 10,11,12 speed setups impressed you so much, but the Wheeltop that can be used on 3 to 14 speed systems (yep 14, when they make them) didn't even get a mention? 🤔

[@kazuviking]

14 speed casette is plain stupidity. The tolarence needed for that to work wont be that good. Current 12 speed gives a fit if the derailer or hanger is bent half a milimeter. 13 adn 14 will cease to work from any little damage. IGH are way better fit for that purpose.

[@feedbackzaloop]

@@kazuviking that is why Wheeltop allows to correct every. single. individual. cog. Custom fit beats tolerances any time.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

13:03 - stop calling it "standard" when a new company introduces a new measurement (here: a larger BCD) that nobody else is using, because that is proprietary, which is the exact opposite of standard.

[@gcntech]

There is so much tech at these shows we can't show everything. That sounds amazing though!

[@space.youtube]

@@gcntech What are you talking about? You literally showcased both. That's my point. lol

[@7777777mike]

That is a cute little chainring, says José Meiffret 😂

[@kaltonian]

Worth watching, some great tech for the future, titanium shuttlecock detail is brilliant,

[@wtfiswiththosehandles]

Myboo - sounds like a huge greenwashing venture. If you want to help people in Ghana, just build a factory there and employ them and teach them modern manufacturing materials, techniques and processes. BTW, their cheapest gravel bike costs over 3k EUR.

[@einundsiebenziger5488]

Not to mention it's still the old colonial system of having a cheap-labour southern country make the raw material, then ship it to the rich north and sell it there with a huge mark-up.

[@Djuntas]

Well I think its cool they make new materials, but I fear its also not much better than current stuff. Hope its not greenwashing as you say.

[@peterharrington8709]

Bamboo bikes are more of a cottage industry. Not at all huge. And the fact that they can grow the raw materials right there next to the workshop counts for a lot. No mining, smelting, metalworking or high tech chemical processes required. Price wise.... the group set alone probably costs more than the frame, then there's wheels and fork etc... But regardless, what *should* you charge for a beautiful, unique and completely functional piece of craftsmanship? Honestly, it's a fair deal for everyone.

[@wtfiswiththosehandles]

@@peterharrington8709 All that "grow materials right next to workshop" is immediately and negatively offset by shipping them to Germany. The 3k EUR bike is configured the way any entry-level gravel bike is. GRX, basic wheels and tires, basic headset and bars. It's a 1k EUR bike sold for 3k EUR.

[@StornofuerKasse3]

​ Still better than selling a 1,5k bike for 15k like the big brands do🤷🏻‍♂️

[@BaTHoRy85]

Good to see GCN moving away from trying to make people replace their 15K road bikes each year and promoting/reviewing alternatives.

[@sgp7975]

That 100t chain set would fit my penny-farthing. If I had one.

[@lukesanders768]

Pretty good to cover brands that are not as big as Shimano or SRAM, interesting finds as well

[@matt_acton-varian]

The L-Twoo any speed concept is a brilliant affordable upgrade... for a disc brake bike. It's hydraulic only. The Wheel top system shown later on is available in both case and hydro disc, so good news for rim brake lovers wanting to cash in on the Chinese Groupset movement.

[@glennicol1361]

Australian team St George are using Wheeltop on a Pardus currently racing Tour de Qinghai

[@michaelnewman4302]

Editor, the closeup goes *after* Alex says "come closer".

[@johnnyboy4711]

Cycling brands GCN has never been allowed to talk about up until now

[@tjcarey80]

That opal fleck in that wheel set was wicked

[@joearnold3594]

New companies was always my favorite section at Interbike

[@cornishcat11]

Adrian did a really good report . keep it up

[@jtt1928]

Very cool stuff! Thanks!

[@aaronedgeart]

This was great! Very interested on the ongoing tech for a lighter insert that gives us "never flat" riding status.

[@gcntech]

We'll keep an eye out for it!

[@reinholdachleitner2069]

Awesome videos at Eurobike 2024,thanks for all the awesome coverage GCN,many Chinese component manufacturers at the show,i think L-Twoo will become more popular.💯👌🏻✌🏻🚴‍♂️

[@gcntech]

We'll have to watch this space 👀

[@ivanmolotilov4779]

Raketa rocks!

[@stephenprice4739]

Hi Alex, Really liked the input on how titanium 3D printing is coming on even to complete bike frames. I’m in the process of getting a titanium bike from J Laverack. They have just introduced 64 3D printed drop outs bottom brackets head sets and seat tube stay sections. Wondering on the benefits going for the 3D printed sections? Live near Sturdys bikes but out of my league. Thanks for show casing the new tech.

[@Elbarbon_samuel]

Should’ve shown Raketas well known diamond track chainring

[@VLuchansky]

Didn't they stop to manufacture them?

[@hellopsp180]

100 tooth chain ring is awesome.

[@Macca8884.5]

That wheel set ,had mother of pearls on them..

[@gcntech]

Super flash 🙌

[@user-sz8qg7ci9f]

With there was warm bar tape.

[@tebbsy]

Challenge for you guys. You HAVE TO RIDE with that 100 toothed chain ring

[@MasterChicken81]

retyre got a sleeve on type winter tires

[@Liqvidator]

Where is Magene? They have new pedal powermeters and electronic groupset too

[@hjldfjhdfhji1991i]

We stayed in a hotel once and they had bamboo-bikes. was the worst driving experience ever...

[@10ktube]

I really wish the bike industry would put some focus into making airless tires actually a performance thing instead of a clunky option for a beach cruiser. All of the aero and weight and nonsense stuff goes right out the window when you get a flat. There has to be some way to make airless tires that ride well and are fast enough for racing, it can't be a total mystery.

[@Djuntas]

There is, GCN needs to make a collab with the nasa bike tyre company. They might start shipping tires next year. See veritasium also, iirc he made a video on it.

[@wtfiswiththosehandles]

Except it's just not possible with our state of technology. If it was, not only cycling but also automotive and aviation industries would be all over this idea. So far, the best way is to have a pneumatic tire, period

[@LeesChannel]

I could have used a 100t cassette back when I lived in San Francisco.

[@TheBassallyear100]

that bar tape manufacturer might want to branch out into replacement lever hoods since that's where most of the time is spent...

[@forton615]

Now you can buy orange 3d printed cycling crocs and batman glasses that go with your mushroom aero helmet. Roadcycling fashion is so avant-garde it hurts the eyes.

[@gcntech]

Whatever floats your boat 🙌

[@DylanGoldbyPhotographer]

That Korean wheel you were looking at is done with a traditional Korean process of inlaying mother of pearl into furniture, etc., called Nejeonchilgi. It's found in a few different parts of Asia and is a not to traditional craftsmanship.

[@tom6493]

Somebody watched Hambini’s video and got offended 😂

[@densyoh]

well Hambini could have waited until the last day of Eurobike before he said anything, more people could’ve gone with him. But the fact that GCN is having multiple videos done on Eurobike while its on-going, what’s Hambini’s point?🤷🏻

[@Chris-pt6hh]

That dude is so full of himself and intentionally contrarian.

[@BoomsRiddico4868]

Yeah but he is a tosser

[@benarahsounds9171]

Please elaborate? I dont know who to trust @@Chris-pt6hh

[@06alepea1]

@@Chris-pt6hhyeah I used to find him funny. Now he just comes across as a bit of a prick. Not that he cares.

[@lexington476]

0:57 if steel is real, what does that make bamboo 😀?

[@adamweb]

untrue? make do? shampoo? that's all I got 😂

[@wtfiswiththosehandles]

Poo?

[@lexington476]

@@adamweb 😊

[@gcntech]

Bamboo, that'll do 🫡

[@lexington476]

@@adamweb well I did wash my hair this morning with shampoo 😀😃.

[@mechpade]

does the Supreme Dutch insert work like Michelin Bib Mousse or more standard foam?

[@dougpence3862]

I am interested in wireless shifting that can be customized for multiple gear speeds, and multiple brand cog spacing.

[@feedbackzaloop]

@@dougpence3862 get Wheeltop

[@PrzemyslawSliwinski]

6:30 - 144/24 = 6 and 144/36 = 4. Not as extreme as it seems... Is it possible, guys, to check this chainring at the track?

[@doctorscoot]

I’ve certainly heard of those wintop and L-two groupsets. The win top one is software adjustable from 8 to 14 speeds!

[@wtfiswiththosehandles]

@@doctorscoot wasn't it 3 to 14 speeds? BTW I have ltwoo r9 groupset and it's built better than my r7000. Not to mention it's better suited for smaller hands.

[@doctorscoot]

@@wtfiswiththosehandles ahh yeah that might be true. I probably upgraded that low count!

[@bikeanddogtripsvirtualcycling]

#askgcntech I have a question which may possibly be best suited to Alex with his mechanical / engineering background. How common / easy is is to bend an inner chain ring as this has happened twice. To be more specific I had a carbon inner ring with Sram Force set up which snapped about 18 months ago - so just used the big ring for a while due to finances. Returned to 105 last August and all was great until an indoor race on Rouvy this morning (Barbotto to San Marino) which included 4 hills. Anyway I could hear a grinding noise when powering up the 2nd hill and a quick investigation revealed an inner ring bend. My riding style is exclusively indoor. I climb a little (between 10,000 to 15,000m per week although June was lower due to illness) and I tend to keep a low cadence high torque style of riding. I have analysed the last few hard effort hill climbs including this morning and I'm not really pushing more than 50 to 53 NM (Newton Metres) for short bursts. Am I just unlucky? Is this a specific problem to indoor cycling? Could it just be an untrained bike mechanic who set the bike up? thanks

[@moobaz8675]

More content on the less well known brands. It's where the innovation is.

[@gcntech]

We love covering all the tech 🙌

[@OperationDarkside]

The wooden bikes were the most interesting to me

[@CL-yx7ly]

The reason why you'll want up/down on an electronic shifter (left side) is for our left handed friends to program whatever they prefer

[@brittle1]

pedersen is absolutely reeling to get his hands on that 100T crank

[@gcntech]

We're not sure we'll ever seen this in the pro-peloton 👀

[@Timtimzi]

visited the tripeak site to get an idea on how much their stuff costs, but cant place an order. The SLT headset bearing might be a good alternative to ceramic speed's version

[@Realciderreviews]

Would you need a custom frame to fit the 100 tooth chainring so it didn’t hit the chain stays?

[@gcntech]

Perhaps something best fitted on a track bike 👀

[@Hephera]

8:15 A nice idea but that would be absolutely awful in practice. if you're in somewhere in the middle of the cassette cogs it can be impossible to tell which chainring you're currently in through feel alone without actually looking down at your chainring. The number of times i forget which chainring im in and give the paddle a quick tap just to make sure im in the one i think im in is embarrassingly high. with this system doing that would immediately switch you into the WRONG chainring.

[@Shellewell]

GCN+ had a documentary about bamboo bicycles, didn't it? If Anders has never heard of them I think he needs to watch more content his colleagues are producing!

[@gcntech]

We'll sit him down and make him watch it 👀

[@paulmcknight4137]

Now we know why Campy stuck to 110 mm bolt circles: stiffer cranks.

[@neilpadfield]

Don't let Sam Pilgrim have a go on any of those bamboo bikes!

[@Eirikkinserdal]

Asics have slippers like that. Actibreeze 3d 😅

[@luisrosano3510]

I wonder how many theeth a chainring should have to be the same lenth that to a normal 172,5 mm crank??????

[@rg807]

Bamboo bikes= Gilligan's Island.

[@charlesdonly776]

“Technology” as a loosely applied term. Me2 electronic shifting companies from China and some fairly standard additive manufacturing processes.

[@paulbry754]

In what world are EDS a new brand they've been around and making parts for trek and giant and others since 1951.I have EDS on my mtb it's awesome and alot cheaper the the others

[@feedbackzaloop]

@@paulbry754 you mean Lanxi? Because EDS is groupset name, it's only recent

[@paulbry754]

@feedbackzaloop no it isn't eds has been around for atleast 2 on mtb

[@feedbackzaloop]

@@paulbry754 huh, never heard of EDS brand. Good to know! BTW, Lanxi goes back to 1951 as well, hence my confusion Or do you mean EDS from Wheeltop on MTB? Well, two years is quite recent. Especially considering those were pilot batch parts two years ago. Current MTB EDS is updated, road is brand new.

[@casualguy393]

I love how he says that no one is going to use a 100 tooth chain ring, but he knows better. Some recumbent bikes do, and for some of those at the top of the cycling food chain that travel almost 150kph 100 teeth are not enough. Yeah, you heard that right. +140kph on flat ground with no wind assist. "Yeah, but my TT bike...." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@peterbaskind9872]

You really are a bit late to the party on Ltwoo. They have been around for a while and some folks really like their stuff.

[@michaelvrbanac6923]

Ho hum. L-Two and Wheeltop are interesting.

[@JonCannings]

How many bratwurst and bread rolls were consumed?!

[@superyamagucci]

Selling wet bar tape is hilarious. BYO water ha ha ha these guys must be trolling.

[@TG-lp5yd]

Raketa 💣

[@oplkfdhgk]

4:28 so is it basically like evaporative cooling? pretty sure you can do that with any type of fabric that can absorb water.

[@space.youtube]

Yeah nah, it's not that.

[@feedbackzaloop]

Rather laptop heat sink or After Eight mints. At least claimed. But in reality you might be correct

[@MrSmketr]

I have seen a bigger chain ring!

[@gcntech]

How big? 👀

[@MrSmketr]

@gcntech it's on Berm Peak if I remember correctly. I don't remember how many teeth, but it was a big one.

[@carlbonthuys3550]

Unpopular opinion. Massive chairing mean nothing if it works out to riding the same ratios as you were previously

[@julianroorda5476]

How many likes for you to ride with the 100 tooth chainring?

[@philadams9254]

What's the name of the company 3D printing Titanium?

[@1973orsy]

That's what I've been scrolling through to find out !

[@philadams9254]

@@1973orsy Did you find out?

[@FredsRandomFinds]

Are those tyres at 4:54 going to be like a lot of other "Eco" items? where if you take into account the energy used to recycle them and the debris left behind after use (Worn plastic all over the road in this case?) then they are worse for the environment than a standard product?

[@kidShibuya]

Yeah far worse than normal tyres which just shed their rubber all over the road and air then go to landfill so another can be made from literally the ground up.

[@realalbertan]

Has anyone thought of using an airless tire that is glued on a tubular rim? Likely way lighter than the stuff out now

[@user-xw2cu1dn1y]

What is this crank?

[@ShturmanBasov]

RAKETA 🔥

[@cpk313]

Camera man doesn't take direction well

[@user-uc5um3io2j]

What about concealed motors?

[@henriks5008]

Del Poop`o

[@JointManJoe]

non vulcanized tires -> less durable -> more tires sold, also more energy wasted since u have to recycle more things more often, and thats if recycling was more than sending things to china and dumping them somewhere

[@jackm5213]

It's painful to listen to someone who has little to no understanding of basic engineering principles talk about engineering. Very basic machining and simple concepts are mind boggling to the layman..

[@stevenagy7152]

Really painful to no longer be able to hide comments.

[@jackm5213]

@@stevenagy7152 maybe you don't understand where I'm coming from.

[@callumph]

The audio levels on this video are horrific.

[@savagepro9060]

5:56 Typical Alex, he goes to to a bike-show and loses his mind -->>'Shrunken Heads' version of Alex? . . . 🤣😂😅😆😁😄🙃

[@Adrian-co1yz]

The dutch company just copied boost from basf/Adidas? Super creative...😂

[@blackhole4080]

OMG ... TPE tires. Even now, most of microplastic particles in the environment are coming from tire wear. This IS NOT SUSTAINABLE!

[@feedbackzaloop]

@@blackhole4080 we need to see the data behind your statement.

[@mindsmartie8975]

L-TW00 has ben tested numerous times and sucks. How can you create an image in peoples heads which makes them buy that crap? is it going that bad financially???

[@peterharrington8709]

Seems more like they sent out early production versions for the reviewers, and they broke because they were pretty much beta versions at that point. A year on and I expect they'd have it sorted?

[@feedbackzaloop]

@@peterharrington8709 been couple of years already and they indeed sorted things out. In the meantime the big 3 rest on long history of ups and downs and not afraid to flush the market with subpar overpriced products.

[@wtfiswiththosehandles]

Hey, did you hear how much Shimano sucks? Their expensive cranksets delaminate, how can you create an image in peoples heads which makes them buy that crap?

[@elleffeff]

Not true anymore. Check again. The latest reviews have been quite positive.

[@shaung1719]

They moved a million groupsets last year including the Chinese domestic market. It's only a matter of time before they go mainstream, the focus now is on value.

[@volkervoit]

Brands you never heard of? All viewers from @chinacycling and @tracevelo "hold my beer" 🙂