Widowmaker MR2 - 230WHP MRS Goes to the Track

[@curlyqv2467]

I love how nice and understanding that worker was lol

[@zondalover27]

That's Porkchop at the beginning! He's a legend at VIR! The guy at turn 1 with the big beard is Mike, he's got a late model stock car that he runs pretty regularly at VIR. He just got a new engine himself!

[@shoegeezer63]

After seeing him, I really want to run with this org now. Super nice guy

[@dancarlos1216]

Porkchop also flags for bikes, everyone at VIR is pretty dope, the gate guy can be a little cranky sometimes.

[@ImBarryScottCSS]

Yal'right?

[@modelnutty6503]

Sears Point used to be very cool like that.

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

Oh my! you described some of this on the phone but it wasn't really clear until i saw it on video. There's a lot of little things i've learned over the years of racing an MR2 Spyder, we can make that thing handle a hell of a lot better without a ton of work. It does not have to feel like it's trying to kill you at ever corner.

[@hamsterbrigade]

Any chance you could, share these tips in a public forum as well?

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

@@hamsterbrigade I actually have done so many times in my videos but i really should assemble it all in one video to make it much easier to reference. I'll put that on the video todo list.

[@Odd_Redneck]

@@FrankensteinMotorworks thanks, with that my buddy's mr2 can keep up with my honda acty truck in the hills 🤣

[@GearsandGasoline]

If you actually do want to make a video about that, I can send you tons of b-roll. I'm sure you've got a bunch as well.

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

@@GearsandGasoline Nice, i actually don't have any video from the early days of the Spyder. We actually took it to Barber for it's first outing and after about 3/4 of the race we gave up because we were all tired of the white knuckle driving. I think i'll take you up on that offer, it would make the video much better and easier to understand why the changes have been done.

[@Jimmy_Broadbent]

Holy hell that car looks like it REALLY wants to kill you hahaha. Will be fun watching it improve :)

[@GearsandGasoline]

Need a Praga championship winner to help with development ASAP

[@PacMan592]

JIMMER

[@R03333]

Needs some DannyDC2 in there

[@86Hasse]

Pls no killerino!

[@swaroopajit]

@@GearsandGasoline If y'all collab on a video I'd be over the moon

[@LuqmanRosley]

Ben: *swapped the motor on the mrs making 200+whp, double the factory power* Also ben: “the car just doesn’t stop sometimes” 😂

[@Weimerica8841]

stock brakes are pretty good on the mr2 though

[@josephcote7702]

This car doesn't stop sometimes? Swap in some Carbotech XP8's or 10's and Motul RBF600 fluid @gearsandgasoline This car stops plenty well, even in stock form.

[@GearsandGasoline]

@@josephcote7702 currently running Carbotech XP10s and ATE Type 200 or something. The first 2 offs were the result of having to recalibrate from the 1ZZ braking zone I was used to, the 3rd was very weird. No pedal feedback. On the outlap so maybe pads were too cold.

[@josephcote7702]

@@GearsandGasoline ahh, word! I'm actually just sitting down to watch the video now, so I haven't actually seen it yet, lol. I hit a point of mental saturation earlier in my algebra class and decided to take a break and dig into these comments when I saw there was actually some good discussion going on. I'm a big fan of the Spyder, though. I'll comment back after seeing the vid. 🤘

[@nehok]

@@GearsandGasoline Was it a bumpy section of th track? Maybe your abs freaked out? Or pad knock back maybe?

[@jcreeker5581]

Great video. As an instructor, a couple of things were noted in the video. On the higher speed turns, you are not staying out and are drifting into the the turn. This is causing an early turn in and then you are having to fight the car on exit. Brake earlier, stay outside and wait for the turn in point, turn in, apex, and then track out. It is all about exit speed. Especially, with a car that has some oversteer. On slower turns, if you turn in later, and are slower, you can throttle steer the car to maximize exit speed and track out position. Another thing, your had position on the steering wheel is a disaster. Your hands are getting all crossed up. Keep your hands at 10&2. Then, when turning right, just before the turn, put your hands at ~9&1 (or 8& 12 for slower turns). The goal is to have your hands at 10&2 relative at the apex (though they are really at 9&1) Then walk your hands back to 10&2 as you exit the turn. It is all about being smooth, consistent, and maximizing the speed out of the exit of a turn. Anyway, keep having fun; you are doing great.

[@sshhddoo9892]

lmao I love the eurobeat that comes in when you showed the oversteer, made my day

[@HankeyMountainGarage]

Wow, I love how this is an attainable inexpensive "track car" compared to how much some cost. Plus, the power steering issues and such remind me I'm really just like you guys! 😂

[@edisongomez3763]

"I´m scared" - Proceeds to go faster. Love it

[@eanmillerphotos]

My parents made the mistake of buying an 85 mr2 as my first car. Having lived near the mountains, I took it to the canyons almost immediately after getting my license, and I am not exaggerating when I say there were moments where I should have gone over the edge from not knowing how to drive it. Snap oversteer almost had me throw my car over a small cliff at 60 mph. Eventually, I saved up my money from working at the local track (and used my employee discount) to actually track drive the thing at time attack and autocross. No car has ever felt as good to drive once I learned it. Not a built civic- not my old supra- not even a new Camaro SS. You simply cannot beat mid/rear engine once you learn to drive it. I miss that vehicle dearly- I shouldn't have sold it. But my new Nebraskan roads and winters aren't kind to cars like that. Enjoy your car. I know that feeling and miss it dearly.

[@2zz98]

agreed, the learning curve might be steep, but it's rewarding like nothing else as soon as you are beginning to understand how to drive it

[@jamesthefirst_8147]

absolutely sending it while yelling "OPEN DIIIIF" is one hell of a mood haha

[@ContrivedbyR]

Hey, Ben! AW11 Owner here! I just wanted to give you some pointers on pushing the car! I'm sure you know this already, but whenever you are approaching a curve or a turn, you either have to brake earlier than normal or reduce speed and stay on throttle. Even partial throttle keeps the mr2 from oversteer and rotating. The MR2 demands the driver to push the car to achieve maximum performance. It's scary for sure, but once you get the hang of the throttle, you'll be planted. Just never lift off; instead, lightly depress the throttle! Good luck, Ben!

[@cllris]

The title of the video is more accurate than you think. They are known to be very dangerous cars, they are notoriously snappy. I lost a friend last year (coming up to a year this December) in his MR2. He'll rolled and it pancaked, he a cage ready and was due to fit the week after we lost him. It really shows the importance of cages in verts. Stay safe out there people.

[@ulisesavila2879]

In another accident your friend would have snapped his neck for not using a helmet by hitting his head into the cage. Cages are not insta life savers in the street. Anyways at least he went driving what he loved.

[@cllris]

@@ulisesavila2879 He deffo went out doing what he loved. and 100% cages be as dangerous (if not more) in you aren't wearing a helmet or it isn't padded. It's more about being cautious over the snappiness of the MR-S, in the video you can see how unpredictable it can be (whilst I'm sure it gets you pumping) and also how vulnerable convertibles can be in a roll, it only takes one wheel catch.

[@Jack-og9ox]

Having driven a modified MR2 spyder for about 5 years now, I've learned that you really need to go with a staggered wheel setup. 7" wide in the front, and 8" to 8.5" in the rear is a sweetspot that I've found, as it does a lot to combat the oversteer the car is known for. You'll probably need coilovers to make the space for that setup, though.

[@haydenmcfarland3130]

Driving an MR2 fast is partly setup partly driving. Both of which are quite different from a normal car. They are really more rear engine than mid engine like an old porsche. Soft suspension in the front with slow rebound to get the weight on the front wheels, and keep it there. Then break on the straight and use the throttle to balance the car through the corners and nail it when you are pointing straight. You cannot trail break!

[@UnderAchievrLP]

225/245 section width tires, brakes and the digital dash up to see easier. love this nugget!!!

[@huhjustafox]

MAN that thing sounds great with the new engine. Camry engine has no right to sound that good, I'm sure it'll be even better with the kinks worked out, these logs and the showing of the struggles and the progression of the build are such a cool thing to see.

[@adamstilldrives]

One thing mr2 taught me on sim is to be a smooth operater with the steering and gentle brake bleed off to help keep the rear slip angle under control. Such a fun car to learn lift off oversteer

[@TKDWolf]

Yes! So many people release the brake too fast or at the wrong time.

[@Germ629]

I like the brutal honesty in every aspect and it shows that when you add double power.... The other issues you may encounter. Awesome videos! You'll get there and look forward to seeing the end results.

[@dameonsproject]

An EXTRA special thank you to whoever threw in the eurobeat right when ben took that corner. I blurted out laughing

[@aldo3970]

Hmm will say from a friend who races his MR2 Spyder at summit point he definitely recommends steel braided brake lines when track it it helped him endure more of the session brake wise. He has tracked it a few times so know his way around it a bit. I have an MR2 Spyder as well here in Maryland and know a couple spyders in the DMV area we have met up before if you ever need more feedback from any one just let us know we are here to support another fellow Mr2👍 on either Spyderchat or Facebook group

[@blackpearlmedia7797]

all in all over 8 seconds is huge especially for a shakedown! this thing is going to rip once it is dialed in! Hopfully you guys make it back to CT! we have an turbo spyder build series i just dropped yesterday and would love to get on track with you guys some time next year!

[@declancarmody6036]

This Camr2 is so nutty. Love the build Ben!

[@Love2Cruise]

Ben: Oversteer! Eurobeat intensifies in background.

[@spyderzetta3391]

Taking some pointers from Spirit MR-S builder: Remove gas tank, add small fuel cell in the "frunk" area. Pillowball Spherical bushings all around. Remove all abs and electronics, run everything as analog as necessary (add brake controller and make braking force rear biased) Spring rates 12K front 16K rear Tires 16 front 17 rear with wide size (245+ rear). Camber -3.5 front -5 rear. 👍🏼 it's all about balance.

[@Be4tJumper]

Love the Eurobeat after saying oversteer 😂

[@nuttyDesignAndFab]

So it's a little hard to tell exactly what's happening from video, but here are some things I have learned: if you really do have initial turn in oversteer (while off the brakes, in neutral) then problem #1 might be the front end link to lower control arm connection: there's bushings in there that you really have to crank down on. If you don't compress those enough it's basically like not having a front bar for turn in until they get loaded up. #2 you need to consider spring rates and sway bars together; if your rear spring rate got jacked up too much then it doesn't matter that sway bars are full soft all around. I liked stiff front setting + second softest in the rear with stock springs. MY OPINION however is that you are struggling in low speed entry/mid corner stuff, which is indicative that you need more maintenance throttle. stop messing around with making cool heel-toe downshift sounds and focus more on controlling the brakes going into the corner. Brake in a straight line, don't trail brake; the engine braking is enough to get rotation. You can even let the clutch out partway, without gas, to modulate the front/rear brake balance using the engine braking, but this is pretty esoteric. mid corner focus on maintenance throttle!

[@GearsandGasoline]

Yeah, main thing I realized, as I noted in the video, is that you have to brake in a straight line, then get back to throttle on turn in. Just putting weight on the rear with a bit of throttle makes a huge difference. But definitely some small bar/alignment changes to make it a bit less knife-edge.

[@ImBarryScottCSS]

@@GearsandGasoline 100% in any MR car you need some throttle to keep the rear loaded. Even very very small adjustments mid corner can induce oversteer. They are extremely rewarding when you get it right.

[@nuttyDesignAndFab]

@@GearsandGasoline Ultimately you just want no engine braking, yeah. There's some ECU stuff you can do with DBW where it can get rid of engine braking for you (Aprilia rs660 has this feature, for example). I always considered doing something like that as a project to make the car safer for learners; alas I had cable throttle and have since sold the car :')

[@ivan_b28]

You should never use the clutch as you mention to modulate front/rear balance, that's just wrong. Not advising trail braking its wrong either, you just have to get the hang of It, be reaaally smooth letting off the brakes, and time It properly with steering angle. Takes time, its messy at first, but when done properly is the way to be fast. And i dont want to talk about the fact you told him to not heel and toe...

[@chrishuyler3580]

A pedal cam would have been great for these sessions so we could see what you were doing. I saw less trail braking issue and more lift off mid corner mistakes. The car should allow a little adjustment but heavy lift is gonna bite you.

[@yaroslavburmaka1449]

I don't know exactly what your rear setup is on the car but if you have a rear bar, remove it and tune with springs. Mr2s like a softer rear. Then work on bump steer correction at least in the rear. Static camber helps with strut cars also. One rule of thumb, tune the end that is having problems (oversteer tune the rear, understeer tune the front). Overall just looks like the car may be a bit too stiff and has some teething problems BUT looks like its at a great starting point!

[@styledliving]

So what a lot of people get wrong about suspension setups on this car in particular, and Marc has alluded to it with very soft spring rates, is that 99% of coilover setups, that aren't stock, absolutely do not have enough suspension travel. When I hit the limit of my suspension travel, which is super pronounced at lower speeds in canyon runs, or at higher speeds on the track, once you hit the limit, 1) your back tells you that you f***ed up, 2) your car loses control. What SuperMiata did right w/ their suspension setup over Ohlins (which were the previous gold standard for Miatas) was produce a setup with way more droop travel so that when you load up over a bump, your tires remain in contact w/ the ground and allow your dampers to begin absorbing that shock immediately instead of after landing. This is incredibly important, and most track focused suspension fail to take this condition into account.

[@milkforcoffee]

At 12:52 when you passed the C5 I just felt that in my soul. Wasn't me but I can't imagine the feeling a lot of people had with you passing them in that MRS lol! Nice job dealing with that giddy little terrier.

[@infidel335]

The Initial D music is almost as great as Ben's recovery skills!

[@tomwagemans1872]

For the time and money invested that's a great difference in laptimes. Once you get the car dailed in, this is going to be a great little car.

[@pennysmurf]

If you master this MR2 just imagine the confidence you will gain to go flat out with the EVO. Great video 👍

[@pv4083]

I love this guys videos…because you feel like you go on the emotional adventure with him.

[@UniversalJogger]

in my experience the MR2 wants a relatively big camber settings. Specially in the rear. i Think this comes from the dual McPhearson setup. I drive with -3° front and -2,5° to -3° in the Back and my tires have a very even tread wear. Some peaple even drive with less camber (~ -4° in the back) This might help with the oversteer everywhere.

[@LeesGarage]

The Initial D music during the oversteer portion of this is awesome. Hats off to the editor. 😂

[@toyoboi]

Just remember, although snap oversteer may be a tendency of the platform but it is still driver error. (Still doing better than I ever could and I'm sure you will get better in not time)

[@textmachine09]

Time for a big brake upgrade for the widowmaker.

[@justintime1307]

Many thanks. I've liked these since my father owned one. Stuck to a corner like sh"t to a shovel, did fit a full whiteline suspension kit. Been looking to pick one up for my own fun. Wife thinks I need to sell my Busa and gsxr first. Did tell her if she sells her Impreza first. Yip wife, in her 40s and drives the Impreza like she's in a race to go shopping 😁

[@sooyster4033]

Lol the little MR2 passing all those Corvettes

[@MatthewGaither]

That little thing is a beast and I look forward to seeing it in its fully dialed in form.

[@Chandler450AZ]

I bought my MR2 from a neighbor a couple years ago to replace a wrecked Mazda3. I was thinking I would sell it until this series came along. After my current project is done I'm going to seriously look into this swap. Great job guys.

[@trevormanley8531]

I think this was my favorite video to date. I was giggling watching you try to wrangle that thing. I can’t believe they let you keep running. That many offs would end your day at the Ridge.

[@NathanaelNaused]

To be fair I've never raced a track day. However what's the point of a track if you can't screw up? Kinda seems silly to me?

[@iamstd2]

@@NathanaelNaused if you're going off that means you're pushing way too hard for the circumstances and exceeding your limits. That's not what a track day is all about

[@NathanaelNaused]

@@iamstd2 Where else am I gonna push the limits of the car?

[@ErikSeastead]

@@NathanaelNaused well ideally you push the limit safely. Depending on how often and in what way you are going off, you may be a danger to yourself or more importantly the other drivers.

[@trevormanley8531]

Everyone makes a mistake now and then, so you can have an off or even two, but it’s a three strikes and your out kind of a deal. Once is no big deal, twice you’ll be warned, and if you are still out of control and go off again, you didn’t listen the first two times, and your day is done. It’s usually a matter of respecting the rules and your other drivers. No one likes having there session ended or have to run under yellow the whole time because someone can’t reel it in and drive in control. That said, Ben demonstrated how being courteous and respectful can go along way toward forgiveness.

[@tehllama42]

I'm frankly shocked at how much driver improvement Ben has made over the last few years - staying planted despite the absolutely terrifying levels of snap oversteer and keeping it collected and on the pavement (and not testing that roll bar out) is frankly impressive... I can't wait to see the whole series working with Frankenstein Motorworks to actually get it dialed in to where this car lets Ben progress more as a driver, and not quite as exclusively as a brown undergarment production technician.

[@paulobeckerrb26dett]

It always amazes me how one can double their car's power, and still struggle to shave off 10% of their lap time. I learned that the hard way with my first car, trying to make it faster on the track ended up making it unsuitable for daily use.

[@badlose1879]

Great vid! I usually skip through car vids but this was entertaining the entire time, showing the realities of driving mistakes and highly modified cars!

[@biohazard5ful]

When the Euro beat came on as he started to counter and over steer was hilarious

[@VinceroAlpha]

That is a tiny terror and it is badass! Can't wait to see it with the suspension overhauled and brakes upgraded.

[@straightupautomotive]

Lsd, splitter for front down force and a longer wheelbase!

[@JMSHobbyism]

I call my 3SGTE Aw11 the widowmaker too! and for very good reason!

[@Bamballer123]

The eurobeat edit was hilarious 😂😂😂

[@jinmannn]

Starting off my morning nice and stressed 🤣 nothing short of a nailbiter watching you catch the oversteer and sliding off the track! Can't wait to see your following vids on fixing the 'trauma' this car endured

[@trizguru7916]

Awesome video! Really impressed with the TQ numbers on it. I have a 2zz Stroker and have thought hard about installing that LSD now after watching this video.

[@thewayfaringanarchists8157]

This is gonna be so satisfying when it’s dialed in

[@TMR_]

That MR2 has really becoming a different beast. Great driving!

[@aceaxer]

Watching the two cars together, damn. Its terrifying with the engine swap and a nice daily drive with out it.

[@zedfender9423]

I do like this engine conversion a lot about guy from FM answered all my questions on the how to do it stuff so big respect to him. Hes a propper car guy.

[@devinherndon56]

I think I was smiling or laughing the entire video. I can't wait to drive this car again!!

[@abdullahagcayazi7581]

this guy is such a good driver. you don't expect that from youtubers sometimes

[@iansumagui6046]

Fujiwara Ben, its insane with the new upload schedule. Ride Safe guys!

[@SunMysore]

Nah, he is Kogashiwa Ben

[@iansumagui6046]

@@SunMysore LMAO FORGOT ABOUT THAT DUDE AHAHAHAH

[@turbohayabusa01]

8secs! Man that’s huge! Can’t wait to see what she does when you get some good brakes on it and get the handling dialed

[@GaJeepr]

Would like to point out a couple of (obvious) things... Dude, you drove like a BEAST.! Super Impressive. Damn dude. And pushing through not one, not two, BUT THREE sessions. Just felt I need to say... Give yourself pats, credit, and props! And that's without saying... If you were serious and needed to pee there at the start, how did you NOT Pee yourself?! Keep up the content. Cannot wait to see how the next couple of adjustments get things going.

[@stefanwangcho8716]

Shout-out to Frankenstein motors dude seems to love the mr2 and Toyota community!

[@planecrazy2]

Thanks for adding the full laps at the end of these race track episodes!

[@donovansimison9336]

You handled the infamous snap oversteer like a pro. This car forces you to be a great driver. I miss my first and second gen MR2 every summer

[@BryanHeitkotter]

Loving this series. Watching how the car handles, it appears the #1 issue making the handling tricky is sway bars. These cars love big front bars (or very stiff front springs). With an open diff, a big front bar will go a long long way towards helping to quell the inside rear wheelspin you're experiencing now with all that extra torque. Also softening the rear bar (or running the stock rear bar) can help with this, as the inside rear tire could use less load taken off it during cornering. It also looks like the car could use more front camber, hard to see where it's at from the video but it looks stockish. With a big front bar (Addco or similar) you can run something like 3 degrees negative camber up front and you'll get the win-win of both increased grip and better stability. That'll go a long long way to making the car feel and work better! Ultimately a LSD would be helpful but this is of course more involved than making suspension changes. Also the car looks a little unstable under braking at the beginning of the video. Have a look at all your bushings for wear or play if you haven't already. Or sticking rear calipers (a common issue). Keep it up!

[@ErikSeastead]

Yeah I have a 1" Addco front swaybar and a stock rear and it massively changed the car. The oversteer basically evaporated and the total grip went way up, a long with my autox times.

[@FjordWindstar]

I went from a 2015 WRX to a V6 swapped 1985 MR2 and had damn near the same experience. Parts were hard to find, the car went light over 100mph, twitchy in the straights, and always at least one rando mechanical issue. But damn was it fun being slow and terrible out there!

[@luxtempestas]

Man, those shots from the middle of the seats with the car overstearing are awesome!

[@JJHurst]

Great fun....looks like you need a quaife or Thorsen diff and employ some left foot braking , it'll help with the lift off oversteer .

[@emmanuelaversa5555]

I'm literally stoked about how fast this car is now (i'm a proud owner of a slightly modded 1zz mr2, so i know the definition of "slow" haha) but at the same time i'm a bit sad that in video the mr-s it's kinda etiquetted like a "Widowmaker" while is problably one of the most "friendily" Midengined Chassis out there. Sure the new "heavy" engine+trans combo has changed the "balance" of the car, and i believe that with a little adjustment in the suspension/alignment areas it will be a completely different experience. I'm def not an expert and i'm talking with my little "trial/error experience" on my underpowered car but maybe trying to lower the front of the car a little more than the rear will help with the weight distribution, on top of that a good amount of neg camber and rear toe in will surely "calm down" the happy tail of the car, without the need of going with stiffer setups on the coilover/ARB (yes, i believe that stiff suspension isn't always better) . And last, a good set of brake disk and sport/Track pads are almost mandatory on track (Even with a nearly stock car, so just imagine with twice the power!), the difference is unbelivable even without changing the discs dimension . Anyway wonderful video, keep it up!

[@zimble]

You guys have some of the best videos out there. Love the MR2 series

[@JimmyProductions]

I love how as soon as the oversteer part comes in, it’s just eurobeat lol

[@ApexwithDavin]

This was a nicer episode, because you're showing the development. Excited.

[@JasonRidesmoto]

1:07 reminds me of the 1989 Batmobile backroad through the woods scene!

[@bsmog8011]

I took a note from the 2003 and newer MR2 and installed 16X7 wheels on the front and 17X7.5 rear and it doesn't act up in corners anymore, with the 2AR it needs the Xtra traction. You will also want some heat protection, Summit Racing sells some with an adhesive backing that works good, I also use a header blanket from Nissan part-16590-3TA0A

[@misaelbarcia541]

I just love seeing this little MR2 running along those other bad boys 😂😂

[@edugamer950]

I'm always blown away by the production quality you guys put out, thanks for the videos, they are helping get through some really hard stuff. Keep uploading this awesome videos that clearly have character and love put into them.

[@RX7Cody]

Having the Eurobeat was awesome haha 🤘🏻

[@mightysurtur752]

Awesome video. Thanks Ben(s and Luke)

[@victorkrivor2174]

Wavetrac makes plenty of custom diffs for all kinds of swaps/unconventional setups, they can definitely help with the open-diff feel of the car, otherwise have fun with the "MAR2"!

[@navihawk1]

On the next gears and gasoline...Ben becomes a drifter

[@DirtyFiST69]

I think he just did.

[@xanderman0218]

Thank you for making 2 videos a week. This is incredible!

[@jaybee6280]

the "i wont lie... im scared" had me rolling. At least you didnt baby it :D

[@PankajSaini-ls1vz]

4:34 love this background music

[@dfagan8738]

“Take it out wipe it off and put it back in and all problems with the break up are solved” Life lessons!!!!😂

[@Fastboi69420]

Looks a hell of a lot more fun than my golf 7.5r! I think aero and playing with the alignment will help with your corner stability, but the cars character will shine through regardless, such is the nature of the beast.

[@UprisingsClips]

God I am so much happier with these double week uploads

[@headchef5680]

Lol that battery engineering bit was so funny. I will not be a chump!

[@ryanbrown918]

I'm in love with this build..

[@overlordisgoogle8431]

I see some Frankenstein Motor Work sticker. I love that dude and company.

[@Anklepick125]

Love the Eurobeat at the mention of oversteer

[@darrelpads]

Gotta love these middle of the week uploads.

[@darieldesvignes942]

Tall ben is such an inspiration to see how far he has come with that driver mod💯

[@TKDWolf]

I'll be honest, this thing looks fun. If the oversteer comes on suddenly, stiffening the front shock to help keep the front from falling over as much the entries, while stiffening the rear bar to make it roll a bit less could make it more progressive and predictable. It will be more stable in low speed and less understeer in high speed. At least, thats what I'd try.

[@HanKamiBeats]

Quick tip. Don't downshift with significant steering angle. Many of the moments that I noticed were classic rwd downshift oversteer. I drove an M4 on a slow track this summer and it absolutely hated downshifts. I currently work full time as a driver and garage-street tune my own celica which I occasionally race so I know what I'm talking about :)

[@study-tesh9542]

So how should he slow down to take the corner, just breaking?

[@HanKamiBeats]

@@study-tesh9542 Downshift and brake in a straight line, bleed off the brakes on entry and then introduce a little throttle. You should never downshift mid corner in a car such as the MR2.

[@study-tesh9542]

@@HanKamiBeats so he did it wrong the entire time on that corner… How hard should he be pressing on the brakes before the corner? All the way down and squealing the tires on the pavement or easy breaking?

[@HanKamiBeats]

@@study-tesh9542 It depends. When you initiate braking you want to use all the available grip. For example slamming your brakes when going 30 kph is not smart, but hitting max brake pressure whilst going 180 kph makes a lot more sense. If your trust the car and you're willing to push, all you have to do is go just over the limit and then slow down just a tiny bit. Brake as late as you dare, if you feel like you could've braked later, brake later. When you brake just a hair too late, just brake a hair bit earlier :)

[@cceessaaa]

Fantastic video! I enjoy a lot stay onboard with you for all that session.

[@toddgreen6862]

Doubles horsepower. Wonders why he has brake issues. Oh you youngsters. ;) Ribbing aside, I'd be getting a limited slip diff pronto. IMO, the ol' one wheel peel just isn't fun on a track. That alone should get you close to your goal time. Get Mark's help with the suspension/setup and you'll be way under 10's. Looking forward to future vids in this series to see the evolution of the car.

[@thegirthquake8574]

Hardest part about MR is ya gotta brake in a straight line and keep weight on the rear wheels during the corner to counter that oversteer. You could also be overdriving the car, which is a common folly of all younger drivers-- like me. Do that shit ALL the time.

[@feral4mr2]

I'm 50 and still overdrive mine.... 😂😂

[@mrkazman]

Oversteering types: 4:27, the first one is "lift off" oversteer, from throwing the front of the car left too hard while trail braking, which lifted the heavy rear and lets it swing around. 4:39, power oversteer. The tyres are very busy with turning, hanging way out on the left side of their grip "performance oval". Adding power too quickly asked too much from the tires. Ben needs to recalibrate his gas foot so he can roll into the power slow enough to give the car time to rock back onto the rear tires more. This will remove grip from the front, possibly introducing understeer, but will possibly allow for more power out of the corner.

[@mrkazman]

Oops, accidentally hit send. 4:56, he hit the curb while cornering hard. When you unsettle the car like that you need to unload the tyres a bit (corner a bit less) so there is a safety margin to handle the unstable grip levels

[@tarsan894]

I love how G&G video intros reminds me of 90s Disney family movies lol!

[@Loudest_Cricket_]

Ben, as he's over-steering towards a wall of trees, facing certain death: "Good grief! My word!" I'd be inventing new words and phrases.