LOFT CONVERSION Timelapse

LOFT CONVERSION Timelapse
We recently had a loft conversion done this was to enable us to have a dedicated studio to make our videos in.
The loft conversion consisted of 1 room and 1 family bathroom.
The Loft Cost approximately £44K this does not include the bathroom fixtures tiles and flooring.
Just to note this build was NOT done by mianbuilders they have a link on their website but its 100% not them.
Here is a Full Tour 1 Year On:
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[@GeekStreet]

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[@Rick-vm8bl]

Hard to forget when its spammed all over the screen every 5 seconds 🤣

[@PhantomO01]

I did this to my attic , converted it to a loft. I’m so glad I did. I not only gained a bunch of space; I actually lowered my energy bills cause I increased my home r-value and overall energy efficiency. I use my space for a play area and massive storage entertainment room with two massive solar velux skylights. Again sooo glad we did, the extra room allows my wife and I to keep our kids mess and toys contained to this huge room upstairs that we don’t have to rush to clean up when we have guests. Converting the attic to a finished loft untimely increased my household earnings cause now we don’t have to rush to move to increase our space. We can keep our monthly expenses the same as far as cash flows as our earnings increase. When we sale, we’ll gain the benefits of the home improvements. I would strongly recommend everyone consider this sort of home upgrade if your planning to live at your residence for 5+ years and before solar panels IMO.

[@ben-vf]

I dont think most in the comment section understand how complicated and difficult these conversions are. Not all builders have the guts or resolve to even take these jobs on. I understand... Great Job boys!!

[@aas7324]

No insulation inside the bathroom's false wall😱 they even put tiles on the wall🤔🤔🙄

[@1499cally]

Abu Ayub Sumon state of the electrics too

[@hanswei5746]

this is racism! shame on you!)

[@coleve8596]

You never ply a bathroom that is going to be tiled. You should use cement board as a tile backing.

[@mrsilver7246]

Colin Nicol very true mate 👍🏻 used to do that many many years ago out dated now

[@Alexnahar]

You can as long as you get water and boil proof plywood though I'm pritty sure they just used standard ply on this job.

[@mrsilver7246]

Alex Nahar don’t be stupid u just don’t ply anymore nobody dies

[@Alexnahar]

@@mrsilver7246 I didnt say people still do ply bathrooms what I said is you can do it as long as you get a water and boil proof graded plywood

[@dkaloupis75]

@@Alexnahar It never worked hence the failures. Not good practise

[@flynnjp19]

Overall, a great snapshot of what's involved in converting an attic space

[@dav1330]

Beautiful old woman ...90 years old home but every things new..wow

[@pammy5260]

Right at the top of the house, thousands spent just to put a kids gaming chair in front of a tv. Thats goals man😂

[@alizcool1]

bed probably coming

[@Chav01.]

Love the temp Staging and plastic job. Good idea if the weather won’t Cooperate

[@haworthluke]

It's called a tented scaffold here in the UK bro it's quite normal for these kinds of jobs.

[@DMC888]

Nice to see that shower area has been waterproofed. It's amazing how many builders & tilers just tile straight onto plywood or plasterboard in wet areas. Grout is not waterproof, so you end up with rot behind the tiles.

[@GeekStreet]

Thanks for the comment the builder actually wasn't going do that, I actually had to insist he did and went out to buy to ensure it was done.

[@DMC888]

@@GeekStreet I've had general builders and even tilers do this. I follow the tiling forums and it's worrying the things that go on. The last shower I did, I just replaced all of the plasterboard with Marmox cement board.

[@ameeranwar622]

They still dot and dabed the adhesive behind the wall tiles very bad practice

[@hasbotwofoursix5801]

Wow that brickwork 10/10 😂

[@mohammedp09]

Look very nice, appreciate sharing this video with us

[@GeekStreet]

Thanks for the comment much appreciated!

[@Boxingreact]

It's an amazing loft mate , wish you all of the best truly 👏

[@paulsehstedt6275]

Nice job, but floor heating would be a better option than a radiator on the wall. The floor insulation could be done more careful. You must fill up the space from corner to corner to achieve the best result .

[@kai-uweheinz]

Bathroom is amazing! Perfect color choice! Ty for sharing!

[@robertw.1499]

Ignore the stupid comment below about gluing tiles to wood. It‘s a perfectly normal practice using glues especially developed for this purpose. Great build guys👍👍👍

[@bobmartin5101]

Complete shite matey. Cement backed board, no butts.

[@danielbucknall4108]

Shouldn’t there be a fire door for the loft conversion to be compliant with the building regulations?

[@troyhickey4300]

I'v never seen walls before subfloor? What was the reasoning behind that?

[@photobywendy11]

The button on the mirror for the other light was awesome

[@GeekStreet]

Thanks!

[@ShenghongZhang]

The temporary steel roof is so good, should just keep it. lol

[@Glasgowurbanwildlife]

Your conversion looks amazing! going by allot of comments I would say theres allot of jealous arses lol! and theres always someone who knows how to do it right or better! nice vid!

[@womblestacker7993]

Great job all that for one room ,and bathroom,of which is lush

[@TheMr.George]

Bathroom mirror was to close to the wall you got hot spots against the far wall, excellent work looks great, wish we used enclosures like that here

[@bobmartin5101]

Hmm.......the floor insulation was a complete shitfeast

[@gelosul]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@AceRimmer_]

Rockwool much better

[@alizcool1]

why do they insulate the floor anyway, aren't you supposed to leave it uninsulated and insulate the roof instead. Why would you block the heat from coming up?

[@alizcool1]

@T D whats the trade off in heat Vs sound?

[@rickyroaster]

@@goodcat1982 insulation has to be loose to work, not stuffed in, no air pockets me poor insulation performance

[@VtotheKallday]

We really needed that music

[@Geoff_G]

Great work, beautiful finished product. I wish I could do stairs like those but code here will not allow winders that tight anymore. Only allowed two in a 90⁰ turn.

[@nazir80nazir80]

Amazing job ! Thumbs up

[@RichardSlater]

Thanks for sharing, it is interesting to see. One of the things that has interested me recently is thermal transfer through materials. I see they used insulation in between the wood but I do wonder how much cold travels through the wood and steel beams. I'm not expert, just interested as I've been reading about it. The end results were good. I wasn't struck on how the finished off the roof edges though. Thanks

[@Jejp944]

Look up interstitial condensation.

[@GiXXerRiderUK]

Very nice time lapse! It turned out great! We've just bought a property and it has potential for roof conversion! Could I ask roughly how much did it cost you? Cheers

[@GeekStreet]

Thanks for comment much appreciated. I've put all details in the description even details on where I bought some of the items. Hope that helps.

[@GiXXerRiderUK]

Geek Street my mistake! Honestly I didn't check the description part of your video! Thank you for the info! Keep up the good work! I've just find your channel,and I've subscribed to it! :)

[@GeekStreet]

Thanks for the support much appreciated!

[@cyrilnicholl5535]

Where does the patio doors go to 😡 was there a balcony or what

[@GeekStreet]

Yes there is a balcony and it over looks the rear garden.

[@adamcturnbull]

@@GeekStreet I definitely was waiting to see out there !

[@plummetplum]

@@GeekStreet Was it a juliette or proper balcony?

[@GeekStreet]

It was a juliette balcony check out this video to see: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5LLdGqNetmMsJo

[@10tenman10]

I like the metal cover but I suspect it added a fortune in costs to the job

[@jesper1406]

This whole thing will be full of mold in less than 10 years. What a hack job.

[@j.newham6284]

The deadly stairs ever!!!!!!

[@pprreejj]

Wow so many haters on the comments... Trolls. I've had my lof done and this clearly looks like a good level of finish. If there are criticisms or constructive feedback - state them clearly on here. I hate keyboard warriors.

[@GeekStreet]

Thanks for the comments, this normal with tradesmen! Thats why none of them put up their own videos! The ones that do delete all the rude comments! 🤣😂

[@regiondeltas]

@@GeekStreet I've noticed KZbin in particular also gets a load of Yanks who seem to think anything that isn't the American way is rubbish. I had somebody tell me my building control checked foundations were wrong and would fall down :D

[@GeekStreet]

@@regiondeltas yeah remember in America the houses get blown away in storms...🤣😂

[@ninjasixrr]

Tiling on ply🤔

[@tilerman]

And dot and dabbed 'tiling'.

[@user-lu2vd2bk4w]

Great job and good end result, thanks for the detailed description will use some of your ideas

[@groarke999]

Brilliant video - but one bad thing - no insulation between stud partition. Really, really poor sound insulation then for the owner, even though it is a bathroom. I use the rockwool slabs - they're bloody great (use them also for gyproc sound insulating walls to massively good effect). Tiling has zero sound insulating properties also :-) Otherwise top job :-)

[@CantE8tCheese]

Well that bathroom in few years will be a rot fest. Should have used a tile backer board like elements board.

[@chohanchohan8208]

Wicked Video..Wicked Project Well Down...

[@diykhan]

Wow great job 👏 👍 👌

[@fixitfraser]

Wow ive never seen so many cut corners in my life lmfao

[@mysteryMachinePL]

Its funny that such a low quality job did cost 44k. When I saw that roof over building I was thinking, holy C... things about to go really pro. And then a sh... storm began. Even floor base moldings look bad. But I saw similar quality in DK homes. That company would fail in PL after two jobs.

[@alizcool1]

@@mysteryMachinePL 44k?....

[@itsmewaqar]

Thats a video of how not to DIY your bathroom.

[@gwaust1]

I'm seeing tile put right on bare wood wall; how is that even allowed? No moisture barrier or anything, I would think for a small room with presumably an amount of steam and moisture the whole room would me fully sealed before tiling, fixtures, etc. *edit - there is a few frames of them painting the one wall after the grey wall and the stuff goes clear/hazy so something is painted on but still no physical moisture barrier*

[@mimipeace6796]

Well done How much this convention costs please

[@radior28]

Like to see positive comments mostly from people that don't have experience and mostly negative from traders 😜😜😜😜. In my opinion there are some things that have not been done up to the standard. Like the bathroom ply etc. But overall looks really good. Unfortunately in a year time tiles will need to be done again as probably they won't stick to the walls for long.

[@GeekStreet]

Yeah, that's why most builders turn off the comments when they upload the video. I'll have to see how it goes in the bathroom, there is a tanking kit applied underneath hoping that helps...

[@flynnjp19]

Please tell us what's outside the french doors-could be the best part of the conversion!

[@GeekStreet]

Take a look and this video I've shown all. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5LLdGqNetmMsJo

[@mandiebarker6073]

Great use of space, lovely bathroom

[@christybambi]

Not a good way to build a roof for drainage, that will cause problems in the future. Not enough slope and you have created gaps for water to attack at.

[@royalstevep68]

So £44k on the conversion and then they fit it with poundland quality fittings. Seems to be alot of cut corners.

[@404maciek]

44k isnt a whole lot with the amount of work that already goes in there and with the dormer that size

[@craigwalsh1403]

Shouldn’t the rafters alongside the Veluxs’ be doubled up ?

[@GeekStreet]

Yes it was done at 4:00

[@MachsGaming]

No the rafters, not the trimmers

[@martinkaleta5287]

The whole construction is a joke! Insulation is a mess, tiling as well and so on...and somebody spent money on this!

[@adamcturnbull]

New roof, steel girder re-inforced? Temporary over cover ? My bet is the "reno" cost as much as a small house! I wont get into changing the character of an old house into mod.

[@martinkaleta5287]

@@goodcat1982 Nobody in the costruction business (as far as I know) would pay a dime for this poor quality of work. And I am not a child, I am the guy who is called to fix builds like this finally.

[@Unknown-si8yx]

@@martinkaleta5287 as a home owner who wants to get there loft converted what sort of thing should they look for when trying to find someone to do this.

[@rodgerq]

@@Unknown-si8yx ecotruss seems to get good reviews.

[@jerryrawlings8885]

@@adamcturnbull In which way is it modern?

[@Daemiex]

never any sound proofing on these sorta conversions, the rain on that roof is going to be very noisy, did the neighbors request the bricking up on the joining side?

[@GeekStreet]

Rain noise, isn't too bad. But you can hear when very heavy. The neighbour is getting a loft conversion done too so made sense to maximise the space by having the wall built.

[@joshuasmith9470]

You can see they insulated between the rafters with 100mm PIR board, kingspan you might know it as. Wouldnt be surprised if the plasterboard had an inch insulation on the back of it too. Thats usually the building regs. You wont hear much rain through all that

[@Beevreeter]

Not bad if you mute the awful sound

[@g2macs]

having fallen to this blunder myself you may want to keep an eye on the bathroom wall. The plywood in mine de-laminated due to shoddy manufacturing (not all plywoods are equal, some get made better than others) I have also been told that another problem area is behind heated towel rails or rads.

[@GeekStreet]

Thanks for the comment, i had the builders apply a tanking kit around the shower area. One year on all is fine, only thing i have done it replace the silicone. I'll keep an eye on it.

[@shedhacks8476]

Really interesting, such a professional job.

[@jmk1962]

Thanks for this. Was interesting to watch. Am just wondering why there was a plug in electric radiator up there? Looks like the new radiator and insulation isn't good enough.

[@jmk1962]

@@ronflorax7578 - Yes I live in London. The point I was making is it obviously wasn't insulated enough if they need a plug in radiator. If you spend 40-50K on a loft conversion you at least expect to be warm or why bother.

[@marcinkurdzialekful]

No way this bathroom last 10 years. Why to cut ply on floor flush with tray? That silicone joint will get damaged soon. Also tiler should get sacked for not using trowel especially in wet areas

[@101nagen]

all i could see was that wall tile shorter than the rest on the ceiling line.

[@meh8099]

Lol, that bathroom isn't waterproof.. 😂

[@DanielPaprocki]

I'm wondering, if final head room of the loft is let say 205cm. Will it count as livable space and add to the value of the property?

[@hectoradame8088]

So how the hell are you going get anything in that room? Did the tv come in pieces? Mattress anyone?

[@JohnnyConcrete67]

Cool ! Nice timelapse. But what is with the double doors???

[@GeekStreet]

View of the garden.

[@meehollmurakoo1673]

In Ireland those windows would be illegal. They must be between 600-1100mm for fire escape and no more than 1.7 metres from the gutter so a fireman can reach you.

[@NasirUddin-sy7rx]

Killed it👍👍

[@davidcolangelo]

4 :27 it’s black and white footage any way really nice video I love it so much and I heard that it’s 1 year since the loft was completed

[@GeekStreet]

Thanks for the comment, i guess light levels where very low at that point so night vision kicked in on the camera. Yes it been 1 year since the loft was completed, i've got a video show the loft 1 year on check it out if you get a chance.

[@davidcolangelo]

Ok I can’t wait to check it out

[@davidcolangelo]

Ps I can’t wait to see the 2 year version 😆

[@pacovl46]

One big open room with a glas front on the sloped side of the roof plus a bathroom would’ve been so much better!

[@mclogged2280]

The bathroom walls were not waterproofed properly. This is what happens when you use cowboy brown builders.

[@vincenthuying98]

Rather odd way to do the roofing, first you sort of prime the OSB, than a thin sheet is laid into that primer, which is eventually blackened after the capping rooftiles have been mounted. Definitely would choose another method. Same for the shower/bathroom, where is the dispersion primer? In the corner of the shower the plywood is immediately covered in a grey elastic product, which to my knowledge needs a primer before it is applied. On the opposite the tiles are glued on the plywood without visible dispersion primer. Here too I would definitely choose another method. Overall impression; it appears as like a contractor is doing too much on this job.

[@zedman442]

Nice one mate. Looks good. You didn’t fancy getting stuck into this one then? Where was the bathroom from?

[@GeekStreet]

Thanks for the comment much appreciated. Nah too big a job, I also have a day job plus the KZbin and other stuff going on so would have taken ages to do, but seeing these guys do it seems quite straightforward not too complicated. The shower is from Qs supplies details on the product codes in the description. Thanks

[@williamhall8460]

Generally a nice job. Sorry to pick fault but the new landing at the top of the stairs looked a mess. As if the flooring had been done from off-cuts.

[@mcglol]

Brilliant video. But... What's through the French doors? 🤔

[@GeekStreet]

Thanks for the comment much appreciated. It's the view of the garden!

[@eedorobbo2363]

@@GeekStreet Is there a balcony?

[@GeekStreet]

@@eedorobbo2363 yes

[@farismahdi457]

Amazing

[@craigmiddleton5935]

Nice job, only downside is the electrics weren’t run to current standards.

[@GeekStreet]

Thanks for the comment, out of interest what did they do incorrectly?

[@craigmiddleton5935]

Geek Street the wires running across the bathroom wall near the door should not of run across the middle. They should of been within 150mm of the wall and ceiling or directly in line with the light switch and then in the corner. As a new installation the new wiring should be protected by an RCD so from a safety point of view, it shouldn’t be a problem. Like I said the end results were good though

[@jdarmstrong29]

No vapor barrier on the outside walls, and you painted wood, then layered tiles onto the painted wood in the shower???? That whole wall will be rotted in no time.

[@fablan3308]

Nice work how much I'm thinking of a loft conversion on Ensuite above the and one big Dorma window

[@onetrubrit6151]

Very nice 💯👊🏼

[@ranoorunova1879]

Hi Can you please tell me the size of your shower room ? Doing exactly same, and having big dilemma where to place units and What size of the shower cabin to buy

[@GeekStreet]

I can't remember off hand but a few people asked the same question in the comments section which I previously answered.

[@zedzed1046]

The top step to the finnished level looked like a balls up measurement, also why the electric oil radiator, the wall mounted one not the right kw?

[@alizcool1]

because the loft is always colder and they probably don't want to keep on switching on the entire central heating

[@paulb8186]

£44,000 not including bathroom fittings, tiles and flooring!!

[@GeekStreet]

Correct

[@joekupa]

@@GeekStreet for reference what part of the country is this?

[@GeekStreet]

@@joekupa UK

[@michaelhorn9267]

I've hardly seen so many foolish building mistakes as in this clip before. It seems they just ran fast for completing the job without taking any care for the future. Without claiming that the list of failures is complete just to mention some of them: the insulation of the floor is lousy craftmanship, using plywood in a bathroom? AND the biggest mistake having no water proof barriers on the outside walls? They will have a big problem with steam condensation which will lead to a perfect substrate for growing mould. If they'll get the black stachybotrys living in these rooms will constantly expose inhabitants to a heavily toxic health danger environment CONCLUSION - if not knowing how to build correct, better leave it to professionals

[@RS2KSX]

and no wall ties used in the brickwork either

[@singlecatt]

Those stairs are going to be murder carrying and furniture or appliance up...

[@royalstevep68]

Agreed

[@rickyroaster]

So many issues with this build not complying with current UK building regulations, NON fire rated doors, Non fire rated walls, cant see any vent tiles for condensation, wiring not up to standard or ran in accordance with 17th or 18th edition. tiling on to ply wood is a huge no no, cement board would have been a million times better and fire proof,Would never advertise a job that was no where near to a compliant high standard, not just complacent standard.

[@davefilms345]

Is it me or did I see some builder taking a shit during the bathroom construction lol

[@rhianhey538]

Normal plasterboard? It should be fire board really

[@adamcturnbull]

I was a bit sad that in such a nice old house you went with sheetrock all around. I definitely wouldve kept half that brick wall. Wouldve made the room. Im bitching because this kind of job musta cost a bloody fortune and for anything going to the effort of putting a new roof on, you might as well go with panelling and try to keep it classy. I like the mirror in the bathroom but again, the bathroom mod grey isnt for me. A 9/10 for video work but a 4/10 for the overall job (considering what would be the price of a house). This is the kind of job where the old lady my bet had no feedback or preferences other than "what do you think we can do ?".

[@jerryrawlings8885]

Adam Turnbull which wall would you have left exposed brick ? would this not make the room cold.

[@EdisonEnglishMontess]

​@@jerryrawlings8885 As its an attic I can imagine a lot of warmth coming from below. If one was alone in the house then thats different. So when you ask would it not make the room cold I would say , as I am Canadian, there are varying degrees of cold ;) . I just absolutely love brick or stone. If I was in Canada I wouldve framed it as they did then put facebrick/face stone on the ends. It really cozies it up. Perhaps even put in a natural gas or fake fireplace in the corner. The charm in English homes IS the brick. Keep it and enjoy it. Don't paint over it and cover it up like its a part of the peasantry ! he he

[@TheSoundzUK]

The flooring has almost no stagger in the pattern, looks like someone who isnt a pro did it, and wtf is that landing chipboard about, its done in like 7 pieces?

[@ranat5526]

You should have installed an ac or at least ducting for one to be installed at a later date!

[@GeekStreet]

That is a really good idea

[@plummetplum]

That roof space looks same as mine which is tight, can you advise me what the space from loft joist to apex before work begun thanks?

[@MrHayseg]

Hello what timelaose camera did you use. Great project

[@GeekStreet]

Thanks for the comment, I used CCTV cameras.

[@ianmcinally5110]

Hi, gr8 video. Can you give me an indication of the area of the loft ?

[@GeekStreet]

Thanks for the comment. The whole loft area is around 8M deep x 6M wide.

[@sajidjavid4509]

Beauty

[@MrKonquer]

Never ever ever poke your copper tails out in a speed fit coupler or elbow, because when you cut them down or send someone to fit something and they don’t know they can potentially undo the fitting in the wall without noticing, you always sweat your tails on a 90 then use a speed fit coupler. Also open ends left everywhere and nothing pressure tested before tiling it’s just bad practice imo.

[@jonesynet]

Fun fact: It's impossible to upload any video on youtube involving construction or DIY, without multiple comments saying it's all wrong.

[@GeekStreet]

So true! That's why builders are so scared to upload videos and they tend to disable the comments or delete the comments if they are rude.

[@GeekStreet]

@A I opinion is fine but some people just go over the top....keyboard warriors.

[@JS-si1cn]

What size are the floor joist RSJs and span of the floor?

[@ianh9871]

Out of interest look up Build it with Rob - Eco truss, no RSJ's, heavy 8 x2 etc, they use lightweight galvanised cords and pre manufactured walls, whole thing up in 2 days.

[@GeekStreet]

I've seen they do a great job!

[@9aliraf]

The stairs were too narrow to get a bed up

[@jmk1962]

Most beds come flat packed and you can assemble them in the room. Same goes for mattresses these days, most come in a vacum packed roll which expand when you do the coverings. Move with the times.

[@gary7920]

No trimmer joists around velux windows, no way of cross venting the roof, should have gone for a warm deck, no insulation applied to the masonry former cheek that was built, bottom of stair isn't compliant, stair looks steeper than 42 degrees,

[@mrsandman1416]

How high was the ridge before and after internally

[@GeorgeGiann]

Perfect....

[@imraanphilander374]

Why opt for the brick wall on the one side

[@jayprescott8276]

How much did the scaffolding cost? Thank you

[@GeekStreet]

Around £4k -£5k