Marvel Mania Day 44 | Captain America: Civil War

[@ConnerNielsen6]

Eric: "This fight should be shorter." Sarah: "This fight should be longer. It should be half of the movie!" GEEKVOLUTION: CIVIL WAR

[@DankyDre420]

To Eric's point about Tony playing his AR version like himself, it's because it is that. He says "that's how i wish it happened" he wishes he would've handled his final moments with his parents like the mature man he had the potential to be.

[@Hornerandassociates]

Guys, He was given a variant of serum all the way back in Captain America. Remember that Red Skull was trying to rebuild the formula by experimenting on POWs all of which never came back. Capt. rescued Bucky from those experiments and then the base was destroyed. It could be argued that the research was destroyed and the rest lost when Skull was killed. It could also be said that Skull didn't even know he was on the right track since he never witnessed the results of his work. Now Bucky did *not* get the same formula as Cap, there have been many variants of it none as successful as the Erskine formula in developing a super soldier most had horrible side effects or were outright failures. It has been argued that Widow like in the comics has had a variant of it. Bucky's version was probably more of a "human+" variety where is is above human but not blatantly so like Cap.

[@Ren_Davis0531]

I like the touch that you see Maria Stark singing a song about September and Tony names the foundation The September Foundation.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Actually the invasion on new york could be argued to have been thors inderect doing with him being loki's brother who he hates, ultron happrnd beacuse of wanda and tony , and the only reason crosbones could detonate his vest was because steve froze. So the avengers have caused their fair share of problems.

[@Vader47000]

Tony recruits Spider-Man because of the webbing tech. He even says it during the battle: he wants Spider-Man to restrain Team Cap with the webbing so as to reduce potential casualties. That's why Tony recruits Spider-Man specifically as opposed to any other inhuman/special.

[@ThePonderer]

Tony would go to Peter before he went to any of the TV characters because he wants to *capture Steve* and he pays special attention to Peter's webbing.

[@jman2856]

Tony watches his mother get violently murdered by someone who his former friend is aiding and helping as well as being the prime cause as to why the Avengers are falling apart which adds to his deteriorating mental state. Tony is furious, angry, vengeful, and fed up with his emotional baggage. And Captain Logan says, "WHO CARES?!" For shame Captain Logan!!!!!!!!!!

[@SolarDragon007]

Absolutely agree. If I was Tony, I would have tried to murder the fuck out of them as well. As an outsider looking in, I can understand that it isn't fair to blame Bucky, but putting myself in Tony's shoes, I completely understand why he reacted that way. It's very similar to how Luke Cage reacted when Jessica Jones told him that she was the one that killed Luke's wife. Sure it's a purely emotional reaction, but considering the circumstances, I sympathize.

[@jman2856]

Maybe it resonates more with me because I know some people who under go so much emotional baggage throughout their lives and when reality starts repeatedly punching them in the face, they give up and lash out with rage even though it's not the most logical way to handle things, it makes Tony more human. I would buy Cap's argument better if Tony was perfectly calm and collected throughout the film and there were zero instances of his life going down the craphole but that's not the case considering there are scenes showcasing the world falling down on Tony and the film isn't even that subtle about it which is why it bewilders me that it goes over Cap's head unless he comes to his senses when he gets to the rewind.

[@ClassicPhilosophyFTW]

J Man You're 100% correct and it's actually the best thing about the movie: the relationship between emotion and reason is the deepest theme of the movie, underlying all the characters and therefore the plot; it is never discussed only presented in ways both obvious and subtle. It's such a relatable and also deep thing it makes the movie so much richer for it, and just the sort of material worthy of a Rewind. It'll be a travesty if Cap doesn't see this by the time he does it. In further support of your point I'd also note that Tony has *always* been extreme in his emotions and reactions to the negative stuff in his life. Effectively shuts down his company the *instant* he gets back to the world, appoints his secretary CEO of his company in IM2 despite her not necessarily being the best choice, also acts very depressed and illogical throughout much of the film since he's dying (as opposed to working through it like he could), is heavily affected by Coulson's death, has PTSD destroys all his suits in IM 3, and we know all about him in AoU and Civil War of course. Another great thing about the movie: it's fantastically consistent with all the other films in terms of its characters. I really hope CW gets the high praise it deserves come Rewind time.

[@jman2856]

Captain Logan, Tony saying, "I don't care, he killed my mom." is Tony giving up on his morale principles due the amount of emotional baggage he's having to deal with, his insecure parental issues that are brilliantly set up in the beginning, his former friend aiding his parent's killer and not telling him about it, Rhodey getting heavily injured, and let's add the fact the he just saw his mother( by the flashback VR scenario he had a more comforting relationship with) get violently murdered and his parent's killer is right there in front of him. Tony by that point just stops trying to fix and make sense of everything and just says, "Screw it, I'm getting shit done now!" and goes on a rampage which doesn't come out nowhere considering you get a sense that Tony's mental state is somewhat detereurating as the film goes on. I'm honestly surprised Captain Logan that you're acting like it shouldn't be a huge deal to Tony especially when it was established before that Tony has had insecure parental issues his whole life that he never completely got over.

[@jman2856]

And we also have to add the fact that Tony doesn't have Pepper around which is also well set up in Tony's first scene.

[@Smee319]

J Man I completely agree. Whether Barnes had control of his actions is irrelevant; he is still the man who brutally murdered Tony's parents and Tony watched it happen.

[@chasblankenship697]

Well the reason Zemo doesn't just send the information to Tony is because he doesn't have it...until he gets to the base in Siberia...which requires debriefing the Winter Soldier...which means getting Bucky out in the open...which means tracking down that journal...which he learned about from the files Black Widow leaked onto the internet...which he was motivated to find after his family died in Sokovia. So while it is intricate in hindsight, it's just the steps a highly trained and highly motivated individual had to take in order to accomplish his goal.

[@Ren_Davis0531]

I love this film because it's not about a political debate, but rather a personal debate. It's essentially an argument over how best to deal with tragedy and the previous films in the MCU bolsters and reinforces the characterizations at play in this film. Selfishness is at the core of the film and how we let our emotional states dictate our actions. The opening scenes of the film show the contrast on how the principal players deal with the grief over Sokovia: Steve retreats back into field work, Tony retreats back into fixing his mistakes, outside players blame the Avengers to varying degrees (Charlie Spencer's mother, Zemo, and the U.N.) This wasn't designed to be a well reasoned political debate as that would be anathema to what was going on. This is why T'Challa's arc fits perfectly within the film because he, like Zemo and Tony and even Cap, are constantly reacting to emotional stimuli to the point where they are consumed by it, but T'Challa is the one person to recognize that mistake and quickly course correct. The film is like an essay in the sense that it makes a claim and crafts support and an argument to support that claim. The claim is selfishness and emotional stimuli can override our critical thinking skills to the point where we are just acting on emotion. The entire last fight showcases this. CW is incredibly subversive, which accentuates its point even more because from scene one you think that the whole plot will boil down to an epic battle between super soldiers, but it's really a human story about the emotional scars left after a tragedy. It's a family argument over how best to deal with mistakes from the past, and, viewed through that lens, the political stuff falls by the wayside, and is really just there to inform the characters' struggle.

[@King191912]

Here's my problem with this: the film is plot driven and in order for characters to follow the plot they have to make stupid choices or accept stupid arguments. I can't be emotionally invested when this is happening, so when the family drama actually ensues I'm completely checked out. There are too many hands in the Marvel Universe for the Russo's to properly make the film they intended to make. There's a world of difference between theme and execution.

[@Ren_Davis0531]

King191912 Of course there's a world of difference between theme and execution, but the onus is on you to explain where this film falls short on its execution. If you think there's stupid choices and arguments you have to explain what they are and why they don't work otherwise we won't get anywhere. I'll just say I don't think they were stupid choices and arguments and that the execution, for the most part, conveys its theme well and you will say the opposite.

[@King191912]

Let's keep it simple and use Vision as an example. First, regardless of his position on the papers, the same character from Age of Ultron would have in no way been okay with essentially keeping Scarlet Witch hostage. He may have attempted to make her stay comfortable, but that in no way absolves him of his participation. Follow that with the battle scene in which he assaults the hangar but not the actually Quinn Jet; the very thing Cap and his team were looking for, and his character simply stops making sense. He makes choices he wouldn't make simply so the plot can progress. I know the film attempts to convey that Vision cares deeply for Wanda and therefore makes him emotionally compromised, therefore I should accept him acting out of character. here's the problem: they haven't developed their relationship enough for me to believe in or accept that.

[@Ren_Davis0531]

King191912 I don't have a problem with Vision wanting to keep Wanda in the compound. He's established as breaking down the numbers on enhanced/superhero occurrences and sees the likelihood of further catastrophes, and wants to limit those catastrophes as much as possible. Given how much the world governments are anti-superhero at the moment, specifically Scarlet Witch, I can see why he thinks it's best for her and others if she stays in the compound. That could be improved with getting into his head a little bit more on how he sees the world in between Age of Ultron and Civil War, but, for the film they made, it was fine. I agree with the battle scene, but not your specific example. To me it just doesn't register that much. He could have attacked the jet as that would make more sense, but my bigger issue is that Vision and Scarlet Witch are under utilized in the sequence, especially Vision. As a comic book fan, and fiction in general really, I'm used to certain characters with certain powers not making the smartest choice with those powers. That problem abounds with Superman and The Flash for example. I'm not saying you're wrong, or that I disagree, just that moments like that aren't inherently a deal breaker. I thought the film conveyed well enough that Vision and Wanda had a connection. Both characters relate to each other because of their immense power that they both don't fully understand and the overall cooking scene sold their affection despite how little we see them. Chemistry between characters can make or break moments like that, and I thought they had good chemistry.

[@King191912]

I can see Vision thinking it's best for her to stay in the compound, I can't see Vision being willing to force her to stay. I'm sure Vision's color scheme being darker is intended to convey that he has changed as a person, but that's too understated. In a series so vast and interconnected I need to see these characters actively grow and change, not be different people from film to film for the sake of someone else's story. That's what Vision feels like here. As someone who is also a fan of superheroes and fiction in general, those characters making poor choices with their powers are often part of who they are. As you mentioned, Vision has already done the calculations; he knows the damage unchecked heroes can cause. He's analytical and wants to minimize potential fallout: for that I can't see his character attacking the hangar without aiming directly for the Jet. Not only are the Russo's ignoring established character in the previous installment, but they're effectively ignoring their own changes. That's why you're reasoning, something I've used to defend characters in the past, is [in my view] invalid(for this particular situation). They have wonderful chemistry, but I still feel they need to build on it more before I can accept Vision holding her hostage so that the rest of the world can see her the way he does (Vision's own words(paraphrased)).

[@Dagenspear]

literally none of the netflix crew would join Tony. Jessica and Luke would throw him out the door. Matt would smirk and threaten a lawsuit for sokovia. and frank would shoot him. Have a very great day! God bless you all!

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Why wouldn't a lawyer be trying to inforce a law, and his point was why tony doesn't go to them not that they would.

[@Dagenspear]

cap isn't conflicted because he's right here. Bucky shouldn't just be taken out when he's being framed and Tony wouldn't listen. Natasha turns because she realizes that this fighting will tear them apart. the whole reason she fully sides with the accords is to keep the team together irregardless of the way they do. but cap is right. she knows that cap isn't going to stop this because he's on the right track in what he says. cap's actions are flawed majorly, but he's acting toward a correct goal: stop a bad guy from getting access to dangerous supersoldiers and clear his friend's name because he's been framed. Tony's ego is absolutely on here. his inability to listen to cap as he's trying to tell him what's going on and understand that his, Tony's, judgement is askew is his ego. cap's ego is there too, but Tony being unable to see how he went wrong in gathering a team to threaten and fist fight cap into submission is what Nat is saying there. she thinks the team should stay together and fighting and imprisoning half of them runs counter to that goal. Tony should have never sided with the accords. he did it based on his guilt. the avengers being controlled and told who should and shouldn't be saved isn't what's best. Have a very great day! God bless you all!

[@riderfan215]

Dagenspear he's not right. He's completely in the wrong. Bucky is a murderer and needs to be taken in

[@Dagenspear]

+Michael Fisher bucky is a victim of brainwashing. Have a very great day! God bless you all!

[@riderfan215]

Doesn't matter. He is the body breaking the first of God's commandments: Thou Shalt Not Kill. Therefore, he must be punished for said action, be he partaking of the action willingly or not

[@Dagenspear]

His body didn't do anything. He's not real. God exists. Bucky doesn't. Have a very great day! God bless you all!

[@DJMartinezIII]

Kenneth Choi will have also played two characters in the MCU once Spider-Man Homecoming comes out. He was Jim, the howling commando in First Avenger, and he'll be playing his grandson, Peter's principal, in Homecoming.

[@Ren_Davis0531]

Bucky does have powers. Arnim Zola gave him a super soldier serum when he was kidnapped. You can see how strong he is all over Winter Soldier, case in point when he kicks a guy a few feet into a jet engine.

[@manuelaag99og]

Tony does literally say "I don't care, he killed my mom" on that final battle scene, Eric.

[@Ren_Davis0531]

Both Scarlet Witch and Vision are under utilized in the airport fight because they vastly overpower the other characters. They should of had them fight each other in order to keep them active in the fight instead of just not being shown until they need to be helpful.

[@ThePonderer]

I'm with Sarah. Natasha lashes out about Tony's ego because he's personally insulting her with the "double agent" blow.

[@swanpride]

After listening to your commentary I have come to the conclusion that the movie is too subtle for you. Clint sides with Cap because he wants to protect Wanda, since he owes her after her brother died for him. Natasha changes sides because she initially only sided with Tony because she wanted to keep the team together, not because she believed in the accords. Her idea was always to amend the whole thing. But once the situation escalates and the team falls apart, she throws that overboard and sides with Cap, because he is her friend (as is Clint). She is way closer to team Cap than Tony and his people. Tony goes to Spider-man instead of another hero because he wants someone who can capture Cap without hurting him. Spider-man is perfect for that, with his superpower and his web-shooters. (There is also a nice symbolism in Tony adding a Cap-like hero to his team, while Cap adds a Tony-like hero). Bucky's character basically boils down to "Steve, but without the stubbornness and without having a chip on his shoulder due to being weak most of his life". Oh, and he is more of a womanizer. But in his core, Bucky is a deeply decent guy who always wanted to do the right thing and who now suffers greatly because he spend most of his life doing the wrong thing - and he remembers every single one of his victims. What Bucky wants more than anything else is to never hurt anyone ever again. And the accords, well, the disconnect between what the accords are supposed to be about and how they are actually working in real live is entirely deliberate. Watch the discussion round in the beginning concerning the concept of oversight - the movie confirms every single one of the arguments mentioned. From the danger of escalation (Vision), to the danger of heroes going off the rails for personal reasons (Ironman), to being kept away from a conflict in an emergency situation (Steve) down to ending up in prison for trying to do the right thing (Falcon). We don't need to know what is exactly written on the paper because it doesn't matter, what matters is the question how it actually works (or doesn't work) if you try to implement them.

[@ClassicPhilosophyFTW]

Excellent points! I never noticed your observation about the Accords, that's awesome! I actually think CW is definitely the best Marvel film, on account of the thematic and character complexities it handles so well. It's a great lesson in story execution: the seamless transition from concept to reality. I really hope the team can do it again for the Infinity War.

[@swanpride]

I can't decide if this one or The Winter Soldier is better, but one thing for sure, the Captain America Trilogy hit it out of the ballpark and the writers deserve all the credit for it even above the directors.

[@standardtom483]

I'm not so sure, I'm fairly confident that the writers have worked on other MCU films and their two with the Russo Brothers are (in my opinion) far and away their best work; could be a coincidence but I'm really inclined to believe that it's as much down to the directors knowing how to utilise their abilities as the writers themselves.

[@ViolettaVie]

They also didn't realize that Steve addressed the issue of the Accords not changing anything in that innocent people would still die because that is the nature of conflict. Steve was very clear, "This document just shifts the blame." So instead of the Avengers being held responsible for loss of life, the UN panel will be. How does that change anything? It doesn't. Aside from forcing the Avengers to act or not act as the panel sees fit.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Actually tony counters back how about how not being in check makes them no better than the bad guys. Also I would add that bucky more so tony without the resources to aid in his reckless attitude.

[@mutalemwananshiku4098]

13:48 or strange just faces an alternate version of him in an alternate earth. Originally 616 mordo was going to be killed off but they changed that.

[@spacebetween42]

1:30:55 Captain Logan "I'd watch Winter Soldier anf Falcon movie" 2021 says hello :D binge-watching Marvel Mania waiting for next ep of TFATWS :D

[@manuelaag99og]

Disagree on the scene with Tony's parents; I think it's very useful to establish Tony's guilt over that, his relationship with his father (especially for newcomers), the preamble for Bucky killing them, and how his parents look so that audiences aren't lost by the end (let's remember that Tony's father has been played by two different actors, and, to my recollection, his mother has never shown up before --though I haven't seen IM2 in years--). And on the idea of it not looking convincing enough, there's the built-in excuse that it is a holographic projection, so it has an uncanny valley effect.

[@TheDayGhost]

My Uncle and I have bets about certain things happening in the MCU. One of them was Giant Man, I figured he would be in Civil War and my Uncle thought he would be in Infinity War. So when he says he has something big I turned to my Uncle in the theatre and celebrated the fact that I was right.

[@Vader47000]

Explaining the large armored door with the window: the Hydra Siberian base is a converted missile silo. Zemo is in a room where the base operators could observe a missile launch without getting fried by exhaust.

[@ViolettaVie]

During AoU when Tony Stark was trying to convince Bruce about using the scepter on his Ultron program, Bruce said, "So you're going for artificial intelligence and you don't want to tell the team?" Tony replied, "Right. That's right. You know why? Because we don't have time for a city hall debate. I don't want to hear that man was not meant to meddle medley." If Tony had brought this to the team and discussed it with them, they would have shut it down, especially Captain America and Thor. Because later in the movie, Steve told Tony that, "every time someone tries to stop a war before it starts innocent people die." And Thor in the Avengers (2012) criticized SHIELD for messing with the Tesseract and getting the attention of alien races. The Avengers didn't need oversight as long as the team were open about things that would affect the team. Tony went behind the teams back to convince Bruce that they had to embrace their mad scientist. That is why Tony is on board with the Accords. As a team the Avengers wasn't a barrier between him and his mad scientist but now the governments around the world would be. Also, Cap is not emotionally compromised. His objective was to save Bucky's life and get to the truth. That was all. You don't have to read anything else into it because there was none. Even to the end. Steve was just trying to stop Iron Man from killing Bucky. Cap has been consistent the whole way through if you pay attention. When Sharon Carter gives Cap their gear, Steve said to her, "they're going to come looking for you." She says "I know." Wow, do you not pay any attention to what happens? Specifically in AoU and CW, the story is told through visuals and dialogue. If you do not listen you will miss out on important points. Basically the movies answer a lot of your questions.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

A few things. Sharons line about being on the run ia more of throw away piece of dialogue rather then something that gets payed off, cap and eric point out several places where steve could have made things easier on himself but didn't because of his emotional state( this is best highlited by steves line to tony about bucky being his friend), and your point about how ultron wouldn't have happen if tony talked to the team plays into rhodey's and peter's point; that having that much power with an insistence that your right can be dangerously arrogant and that having a third neutral party could help check that ego.

[@EightPageProductions]

I had the Giant-Man reveal spoiled by Funko Pop releasing a Giant-Man figure to tie-into Civil War

[@SpedeVesku]

8 Page Productions But then again, you can't always trust the toys. Iron Man 2 toyline had Titanium Man figures, The First Avenger had comic-accurate Zemo, Iron Man 3 had "Mandarin" driving a tank and Age of Ultron had Grey Hulk.

[@ThePonderer]

I've never bought into cap's argument around 1:14:00 as legitimate. Tony's not an idiot; he wouldn't "fly off to punch Captain America in the face because he got that info from Zemo in the mail". It *matters* that he's in the same room with Bucky and Steve when he finds out. That's the only way this ends in violence, I think.

[@jman2856]

I'm more surprised at how Cap doesn't fully buy Tony's mental state by the end of the film even though the film perfectly showcases Tony's deteriorating mental state of trying to fix and make sense of everything due to dealing with his former friend going rogue and helping a known terroist and the guilt of collateral damage as well as losing Pepper.

[@navy0287]

Mr. Softy was a big thing in Michigan as well. You typically saw his image on the side of soft-serve Ice Cream Trucks.

[@allthingssuper]

I'm gonna be bummed when these end. It's been a joy watching these films with you guys and I hope that maybe next year you guys could do something similar with the DC films.

[@andrewwhitehouse2633]

As far as the actors playing multiple roles in the MCU there's actually one more I can think of but it's really obscure and easy to miss. But the actor who plays Souza in agent carter is one of the cops in the third act in avengers. He only has like one line but just thought it was worth mentioning.

[@rushfan21I2]

That'd be amazing if we open with Zemo's perspective in the beginning in AoU, it'd be another thing where Civil War does the same thing as BvS, but better

[@swanpride]

It's actually already the third time that an actor turns up in two different roles in the MCU...Peter Quill's mother also got an autograph from Captain America and Sousa somehow is also a police officer dying during the battle of New York.

[@Ren_Davis0531]

Don't forget about Melvin Potter from Daredevil also being an inmate in the All Hail the King one shot. Alfre Woodard in Civil War and Luke Cage would be the fourth time. And Kenneth Choi from The First Avenger will be coming back to play one of the teachers in Homecoming.

[@AngusStewart01]

One of the best mcu movies

[@B.A.G.Studios]

To the point about why Tony would go to a kid, and how legal that might be, the Sokovia accords is a global agreement, and other parts of the world set the adult age at a lower number than here. It could be that if any part of the accords-fearing world you are considered an adult, you fall under the accords.

[@valinor1082]

On my original watch in the theater, I thought the idea would be Tony, Cap, and WS would have to team up to take down the Super Soldiers, so I was quite surprised by the twist where Zemo assassinated them.

[@thoarnejones6805]

the thing with Sharon Carter is based on the promo artwork, Sharon was supposed to be in the big fight at the end of the 2nd act. I guess they took her out of it, but that would add more credit to her being in the film Eric.

[@aslan1121]

My biggest question in this movie was why and how did Howard have super soldier serum and where was he bringing it? There's hints that he may have been taking it to the Pentagon but aren't there safer ways to transport it? It's a neat idea to link this to the Incredible Hulk if some of the formula had actually gotten there. I always assumed that this version of Winter Soldier had serum too. The actor has a pretty long contract left I have a feeling that they have been setting him up for a wonderful character arc. I'm always excited to see him on screen and never feel like I get enough. He's my favorite type of character and I can't wait to see what they do with him.

[@keirtanaka2929]

It happens at either 51-21 or 51-31 in tha movie itself when War Machine congratulates Capt America on becoming a criminal| . . This is the 2nd present day film based mainly on tha Cap'n/has only his name in tha title where he becomes a fugitive at some point therein|

[@ThePonderer]

I've got a theory that if we ever do Red Hulk in this continuity, it's gonna be Martin Freeman's character.

[@thoarnejones2501]

peter quills mom was in first avenger and peggy carters crippled love interest in her first season was a cop in avengers.

[@brettpritchard265]

Well Marvel Mania has been amazing fun and I've absolutely loved it. Realise you're busy cap, but please replace this with a marathon commentary series on something else. I love listening to you and Eric shoot the breeze while watching cool stuff. Maybe you could do the Bond movies?

[@Geekvolution]

Brett Pritchard We are gonna do Batmania in the fall. Thanks for the kind words! Glad you enjoyed the series :)

[@SolarDragon007]

Was anybody else surprised that they let Spider-Man say "holy shit" in this movie?

[@Smee319]

I thought the swearing in general was stronger in this movie than most other MCU movies. Still, it was a great moment!

[@SolarDragon007]

I was impressed to be honest. It was kind of ballsy considering how popular of a character Spider-Man is with little kids. I honestly wish he would swear more. I don't need him saying "fuck", but Peter is supposed to be one of the most relateable Marvel characters, and normal people DO swear out of frustration/fear.

[@thoarnejones2501]

SolarDragon007 its still spiderman though, like ultimate spiderman cursed but not to much. maybe like once at most twice in each movie could work. but in like real intense situations.

[@SolarDragon007]

I don't mind if he swears a bit more than that

[@thoarnejones2501]

SolarDragon007 fair enough he is a teenager.

[@Smee319]

Great commentary! I would argue though that this movie being a Captain America title is warranted. While the climax of AoU is touched on, the story primarily serves as a follow up to Winter Soldier, something Age of Ultron didn't offer. Captain America and Bucky's friendship is the spine of this movie. Captain America has to prove his friend's innocence which is what leads to conflict amongst the characters. besides there is about a twenty minute stretch where Iron Man drops out of the story where the focus is on Cap, Falcon and Bucky.

[@RichardApperition]

I would asume during the airport fight Scarlet Witch is off to the side fighting Vision

[@ThePonderer]

Iron Man 3's theme carries into Age of Ultron.

[@mutalemwananshiku4098]

1:20:12 coming back in cap 4 inckuding red hulk.

[@dupersuper1938]

Black Panther father wasn't signing the accords, he was openning Wakandan trade...

[@azuresaiyan9005]

Now that you are the tail end of this marathon, have you guys thought of doing the same for the DC films? And beyond them, the other misc comic films?

[@ConnerNielsen6]

So, regarding the age of children attending a movie: CineMark has a policy where you have to purchase a ticket for children at the age of 1. It sucks, but sometimes people at box office let it slide. Regal, however, starts charging children at age 3. I cannot provide any info regarding AMC because there are no AMC theaters in Oregon. If you need to forfeit your ticket and leave the movie, you can have your tickets(s) refunded.

[@ThePonderer]

Alfre Woodard actually ISN'T the first person to be double cast in the MCU.

[@kojo2464]

I was with Cap the whole movie till that Tony saw how his parents died. I wouldn't care if he wasn't in control of his mind I found out they were murdered. As rational as I am, in Tony's shoes(or suit) I would've gone off on Bucky and so help anyone who got in my way

[@dvid22]

if bruce banner turns to the hulk when introduced to pain how can he be with black widow in that way as there is a good chance he'd also transform under similar condition thus killing her. also this is the only movie we are probably gonna get giant man at least in the current era vs other people. isn't casey jones a clean cut pretty boy rather than a rough guy from the streets (accordin to recent tmnt movie)?

[@ThePonderer]

I also disagree with you guys about the Red Herring not being built up enough. Everyone I've talked to picked up on that as a twist on their first viewing.

[@Vader47000]

Yeah, it's kind of a head-scratcher they wouldn't remember that as a plot thread. The whole movie is set up as Zemo trying to find the base, which is why he manipulates events to draw out Winter Soldier. Cap mentions that as a potential plan when Bucky tells him what Zemo did to him, and Cap says as much to Tony, which is why they're fighting. Cap wants to fly to Siberia to stop Zemo from re-activating the other Winter Soldiers. If a viewer had forgotten about these plot set-ups, what did they assume was the motivation for Zemo and Cap before they knew what the real scheme was?

[@larryclowers]

99% of this movie is filmed in downtown Atlanta!!

[@lopi00ful]

How is it that no one talks about how bad the continuity editing in the Tony and Steve conversation after the Bucky chase. Tony's collar keeps going from under his vest to out, back to under his vest again. It's so bad.

[@nathanexplosion3412]

They were probably too busy actually watching the movie.

[@ConnerNielsen6]

Ooh, that's going to be like that scene in The Dark Knight where Joker's arms change from being over Batman's arms to being under Batman's arms several times. Once somebody points that out, you can't notice anything else.

[@ianmckee4726]

Hey Cap whats your dogs name?

[@ThePonderer]

Apollo

[@ConnerNielsen6]

3 Captain Americas! Nice, one wears a red costume, the other has a white costume, and the third has a blue I think I 100% agree with Eric on this movie. I love all the stuff with Zemo, and Bucky is a little meh

[@Ren_Davis0531]

Steve will be the executive branch, Bucky will be the judicial branch, and Sam will be the legislative branch. All of their shields will have the Constitution on them. Thus the Triad of Captain Americas is born! Coming in Phase 4!

[@ConnerNielsen6]

That would be totally awesome!

[@EightPageProductions]

I love Zemo in this movie but the inner-comic fan in me really wishes we found some way to put him in the purple mask :(

[@mutalemwananshiku4098]

Well u got the mask very briefly in fATWS.

[@EightPageProductions]

​@@mutalemwananshiku4098 yeah and 5 years later when that happened I was super excited, they even made him a Baron too

[@mutalemwananshiku4098]

@@EightPageProductions now just hoping he comes back soon.

[@williamclarke3162]

I do buy everything happening tony fighting cap and bucky because after guilt over sokovia and pepper and the truth about his parents i don't blame him he doesn't forgive his father still

[@riderfan215]

If Garfield were still Spidey, it wouldn't have been a problem. There's the solution

[@tonysuarez9578]

big hero 6 ?

[@ConnerNielsen6]

they're only doing live action Marvel movies.

[@pickyricky6226]

I disagree with the whole deaging thing. RDJ felt like Weird Science RDJ in that scene, the way he talked and acted was very similar to his performance in his older movies. Everything from the way he moved and talked - that was clearly intentional. A lot of Eric' (I love Eric on this channel btw) points are a bit weird - his position on the stilted dialogue scenes and other general stuff feels kinda out of left field and not at all representative of the obvious vibe the filmakers were going for.

[@pickyricky6226]

I was also diapointed how Eric and Cap misunderstood the Natasha/Tony scene. It was a low blow essentially, nothing more. It felt very personal. This movie felt the most "human" of almost all the MCU film.

[@pickyricky6226]

The only thing that really bugged me was the endfight - IM should have overwhelmed Bucky and Cap, I hate the fact Bucky could literally engage in fisticuffs with him. I really thought they would use the enviroment a little bit more and act tactically. Cap was a bit OP here. Even against Spidey AND War Machine. That's my only complaint.

[@1290418]

MCU's Best FILM EVER!!!!!! Thank you Russo Brothers.

[@agentofchaos7456]

For me it's still the Winter Solider.

[@ThePonderer]

I prefer AoU myself.

[@dericjames2018]

Billy Crystal I prefer Iron Man 1 and Captain America Winter Soldier.

[@benjaminleonard9588]

3rd best

[@chewbaccaslover1432]

Anyone feel Iron Man was in the right? I don't feel like controlling the Avengers is really oppressive.

[@jman2856]

Perhaps not right now, but it eventually could lead to a gateway to being oppressive and Cap is right when he says, agendas do change of course Cap's argument isn't totally in the right either.

[@riderfan215]

Spidey has to be there for this to be worth watching

[@dericjames2018]

Overrated film but still very good none the less.

[@mutalemwananshiku4098]

Its not overrated.