DHDE20 - myR | quiK (Samus) Vs. HIVE | DarkThunder (Bowser) - Winners Quarter-Final - Ultimate

[@GUMNUT.]

I love watching Quik. He's one of my new favorite pros to watch. He plays samus so differently

[@Jimbahiya]

but fuck samus tho

[@kennybosefus]

All aggressive Samus mains are similar, but super different...

[@witmilk6527]

Can SOMEBODY in the comments please give kudos to that Bowser!! He played so solid! quiK is such a solid player and DarkRhunder absolutely had this set in his hands! He had such a solid ground to not get killed and get in the tight gaps that quiK tried to block off

[@0XBeneX0]

He probably is the best Bowser in Europe (besides me of course 🥱) Just kidding 😂

[@malachistone88]

DT's Bowser is solid!

[@suryavl9230]

Love seeing a Samus player. Really well done even if it was a loss. Still very talented!

[@witmilk6527]

That sequence to keep Bowser at bay and slowly getting in there to approach at 5:55 is so nice

[@DrCorndog1]

First time I've ever watched quiK play. A real treat, even though he lost.

[@witmilk6527]

Bruuuh no spoil :(

[@1Aleczize]

Spoiler

[@AmericanNerdLife]

These are my 2 mains. Fun to see the two face off.

[@nathanielbrill1523]

Same! I equally main bowser and Samus.

[@HaiBuddi]

I used to be a Samus main back in the OG smash days ... his play style inspires me to try and pick her up again

[@specialbeamcharlie7250]

IMO. Quick should had mixed up his edge guarding A LOT more; he barely used D-Tilt, and Up-Tilt at the ledge.

[@patrickhoppe4062]

backseatgaming straight from 200k GSP lul

[@ChooChooTrainny]

Definitely could have traded a Dair with Bowser’s recovery at more than one point

[@ecoterrorism_liker7251]

in what world is dtilt and uptilt at ledge a mixup with samus

[@rookeyji5177]

Its so cute these guys trying to coach THE SAMUS and second best player in europe

[@JamestheKilljoy]

So much hate for this comment! You’re right, tho. In fact he didn’t switch up his get up options enough, either. It looked like he got scared and kept defaulting to the most consistent option, making him too predictable. This isn’t backseat gaming, morons, it’s commenting. You know, like the ppl in the video are doing.

[@clips8645]

Congrats DT on beating the world's best Samus!

[@TheHiddenShadowz]

Is it really? I feel like his samus is so bad though

[@5000People]

@@TheHiddenShadowz whaaat? You have not watched him enough. He recently beat gluttony.

[@clips8645]

@@TheHiddenShadowz he owns the title of world's best title, but Samus kill power does suck but quiK is totally fine with it.

[@elkGaming93]

Wait until you see my Dark Samus

[@austininflorida]

@@TheHiddenShadowz He beat Samsora.

[@bigman88george3]

I am so glad to see that the devs made bowser viable and tourney worthy in this smash! Ad a bowser (and samus) main, I'm proud.

[@EternityGray]

I love how Quik plays Samus. Keeping distance with all those bombs and zairs

[@TheLibertybellz]

Props to both players, pretty hype to see the new tether in action. Only comment on Quik's gameplay is that he didn't get up attack ONCE. Getup attack beats out everything without super armor... e.g. flame breath. It's not the greatest option, but it shines as a whiff punish and against over aggressive ledge pressure.

[@d.s.alcoda]

Getup attack is usually a bad option. You have almost a whole second of vulnerability after the attack, which is just death against a Bowser. For Flame Breath specifically: Bowser usually used it a correctly spaced distance away from ledge where getup attack would miss and QuiK would just take more damage for no reason. The times he WAS close, the animation for Bowser's fire ending is Ardmore to see, so QuiK could getup attack too late and let Bowser shield it, which is a free kill for the Bowser. Get up attack comes out pretty slowly, so it's just not worth the risk. You'all notice the Bowser often would fire breath for different-length bursts, then immediately start holding shield. QuiK was smart to not getup attack since that's a mistake many players make in the same circumstance

[@stv1703]

It wasnt on 7.0 and get up is absolutely worse than drop down jump get up with fair.. and that will get punished too if it gets shielded

[@JayKSilver]

This is Leon in a wig

[@GoNzo4209]

Congrats to that beast ass bowser but damn quick really didnt want to use missiles and down tilt this set idk why

[@roman3mp1r39]

I absolutely had to see this

[@duicor]

If I'm not mistaken zair can go through Bowser's fire breath, quik could've used that to get out of some of those ledgetrap situations

[@ulyssesgonzalez2068]

damn Quik got destroyed.

[@NathanRW]

Only the last game, first 2 games were competitive.

[@ethioman123]

Surprised actually! I considered Bowser one of Samus’ easier matchups

[@BoneyGaf]

I feel this match should be played much more aggressively on Samus’s part. You gotta wall bowser out for sure, but you can’t do it forever cause he will get in and kill you. You have to mix between pushing and pulling.

[@thereelartist_1448]

Quik should UP+B after those double up tilt in the air, it’s usually always a successful combo

[@kristoferson16]

That down air at the end. Mad respect!! lol

[@chandlermccoy1813]

Quick conditioned and punished Darkthunder SO god damn hard that first stock...

[@ryanboguslavsky5215]

How come quiK never fully charges his charge shot?

[@bnh2766]

A full charge does more knockback, leaving the opponent too far out of range for follow up strings/combos like grab to down throw to an aerial. So while full charge does more damage on the initial hit, a partially charged shot will lead to more damage overall

[@ryanboguslavsky5215]

@@bnh2766 I get that but even at high percents when neutral b should kill quiK still never fully charges it

[@sfivsbebrgishlbefi]

@@ryanboguslavsky5215 there is also more endlag with full charge

[@TheDylicious77]

I could be wrong, but I think he likes the fakeout. If you watch, he’ll often charge about 85%, then charge again in really short little bursts, so I think he uses that to figure out how the opponent will react under fire pressure.

[@MunchthatCrunch]

having it not fully charged means you can keep using it for movement mix-ups. wave bouncing and whatnot.

[@BVasquezp]

Samus can deal lots of damage to heavies, but her lack in decent killmoves allows them to go agresive and dominate.

[@Turnpost2552]

She has more killmoves than most. Bowser is just really heavy.

[@shmand]

Since when does fire breath not stop Samus charging?

[@solaris_cc4353]

If you're too far away Fire Breath does not cause knockback: people take advantage of this by using Fire Breath on opponents after a shield break, since it doesn't let them recover from stun if you space it well.

[@matthewroman6807]

Is this after the patch?

[@LoadedKlip]

sure looks like it ... that zair had insane range

[@matthewroman6807]

@@LoadedKlip thanks

[@antmiu2]

Don't think so

[@BlasterZ]

No its pre-patch, wich makes it even more impressive!

[@LoadedKlip]

@@BlasterZ that doesnt make sense. Did u mean post patch?

[@alexcretsos7340]

The commentating is so much better than in the U.S.

[@Allplussomeminus]

Because they stay on topic mostly

[@mariomaqueda5135]

@@Allplussomeminus An ocasional joke is appreciated, but bunch of commentators think they are stand up commedians.

[@Allplussomeminus]

@@mariomaqueda5135 all about moderation

[@SpecialXperienZ]

Poor Quik, he made a good effort.

[@Sirlilsquishy]

He got a few grabs at about 150 160 does the new up throw not kill bowser at those percentages?

[@drazgul1]

No, not even Mewtwo can kill with u-throw if Bowser is only at 150 or even 160%. That turtle is heavy af.

[@FabulousJejmaze]

Nah, Bowser too heavy bro

[@michael8715]

Would kill bowser at around 182+ with new up throw

[@BlasterZ]

This was pre-patch.

[@Sirlilsquishy]

Michael thanks man haven’t had time to lab for myself I appreciate it

[@willb5658]

Let's be honest, the true hero was the Bowser.

[@jordanco201]

Is dair not safe option offstage on bowser??

[@atha5469]

It's pretty damn hard to get if Bowser goes low, which he does every time

[@Minister_of_Magic_1997]

A better option would be ledge drop bair or nair. They have longer lasting and bigger hit boxes

[@realchoodle]

Eu smash is sooooo much better. Less toxic. (Not including leffen)

[@MontageHustle]

Fix thumbnail names

[@bsmccrunner4]

Nice to see a lower ranked player take out the best Samus. People are figuring out Quicks playstyle. IMO Quick will drop in any sort of global rankings this season.

[@fupalover]

YB is better. He just doesn't play in tournaments. When he did go to prime saga he got 13th at one and 9th at the kick off i think. He beat ESAM void and Ally to name a few.

[@rookeyji5177]

@@fupalover That was a long time ago you cant say fo sure yb is the best samus..If we go with results quik is definitely better.

[@fupalover]

@@rookeyji5177 Its still a feat. Of course if you go off results it would be quik. Like i said YB doesn't go to tournaments. He's beaten Zaki Zackray and T online. But he doesnt compete. I still watch his streams and his skill hasn't faded at all.

[@rookeyji5177]

@@fupalover Are you seriously comparing offline tournaments to online?Online they are just playing for fun not to mention input delay and others things.It would be like saying blucas is better than samsora cuz he won him online like twice."I still watch his streams and his skill hasnt faded at all"I dont think you me or anyone can tell someones skill just by looking at them on streams the problem with players like yb is all you can do is hypothesise until he actually gets some results.

[@d.s.alcoda]

Smash Ultimate has a history of these so called "wifi warrior" top players coming to Real Life tournaments... and doing just as well as online. Yeah, online is less reliable than IRL, but don't discount it. Sparg0 spent most of his Smash career just playing online. Showed up to tourneys, wiped people out left and right, including Void and some other notable wins. Whether you're online or not, good neutral and big-brain plays still take as much skill.

[@ENTERTAINMENTSERVICE]

nice playstyle

[@1Aleczize]

Comments have spoilers

[@YouAlreadyKnowBabi]

Is Quik wearing a wig or something? I thought he was going bald

[@stevenxenoknight3845]

I don't understand how he lost to bowser. Granted he has to fight twice as hard to take a single stock off that brute, but I have never seen a bowser that wasn't getting juggled into Oblivion. Bowser is a big ole meat stick to wail on. A ton of those "mind-games" and "psych outs could have just been attacks which could have killed Bowser early.

[@DiddyKingLP]

the samus needs to do more pivot d tilt and f tilt

[@Prosper_Dean]

Is that very difficult to do?

[@DiddyKingLP]

@@Prosper_Dean i dont think so but the bowser played really offensive :O

[@Roupization]

>best samus in the world, and second best player in europe

[@DiddyKingLP]

@@Roupization theres always room for improvement.

[@ejzgimp]

Quik it's an ok samus just saying he dont use all of her tools all I see its fairs and charge shots

[@ekene4886]

Bruh

[@showmeyourmoves8551]

He is the best samus and the only one to bring samus to high from being considered worst in the game. Wtf

[@gioxim1330]

If someone says brawhalla is better than smash it’s cause they can’t afford it😂

[@RandyWRodrifuez]

I feel like my samus is better than his

[@emomc9557]

07:20 that Samus play was insane at that point

[@curtisbrown547]

extremely hard match up for samus. a character that can't kill vs the hardest character to kill in the game.

[@fupalover]

Samus destroys all heavys

[@edwinomargarciamendez4291]

I think samus is bad againts heavyweights characters in general

[@betaman3549]

nah she eats heavies for breakfast and a ton of slow characters

[@Ihateschoolsobadly]

laughs in DK and DDD matchups. I'll agree, though, a sharp Bowser is gonna give Samus trouble almost every time

[@fupalover]

No. She destroys them.

[@alexreyes7237]

Quik has one of the cheesiest most unimpressive samus I have ever seen spams zair and charge shot only stalling until he gets a shot, I can’t believe people think he’s on the level of YB

[@BVasquezp]

It's true YB is far more skilled and tactical, but I think quiK has mastered combos with samus .

[@erickjgc1411]

Quik camper