Gen Con 50 - Carcassonne National Championship - Final Match (Game 4)

[@ShinToubushi]

It was an honor to get as far as I did, and I had a good time. Thanks Z-Man for hosting. I hope I get a chance for a rematch next year! Black just wasn't my color. Hahaha!

[@PaperGamesok]

+Ryan Bell You did great and being able to say you're second in the nation is awesome! We hope to see you next year and a huge thank you to you and Z-Man Gamesfor letting us record your games.

[@perevives-laxarxa8120]

Hi Ryan! Greetings from Barcelona, Catalonia. You played really good, you were unlucky with the big city! In my opionion you should try to defend the options to close the big city with the tile in min 10:30, with it your opponent could not use the curve the way he did even if he could have used a straight line (6 were used) or a cross to disturb you. Anyway, it is not easy to play a final, and luck always plays an important role!

[@ShinToubushi]

I agree that had I blocked that big city, things might have worked out differently. :) I watched through the whole game after it was uploaded just to see if I had missed something obvious, but I think that ultimately my regret is that I didn't follow through on the strategy that, I think, won me most of the games up that point (I lost the fourth round in the previous day prior to the elimination rounds). I noticed that most people I played against were in a big hurry to claim potential farms, but my strategy is usually to wait until near the end to tie up any meeples as farmers... if I have a chance to steal a farm or negate them at that point, so much the better, but usually I score I enough points by not tying up my meeples to offset the score from farms, even the big ones. BUT, I didn't do that this time and as a result I lost some opportunities to score points because I didn't have a meeple left to score with. *shrug* Maybe that would have made a difference, maybe not... certainly, considering the skill of my opponent, any changes I made would have affected his play as well. Thanks for the interest, and hello from Indianapolis, Indiana, USA!

[@PaperGamesok]

Thank you for the awesome write up on your play style. It’s always interesting to hear/see the different play styles of games like this. It’s my favorite part about board games, you can have a game with simple rules to learn, yet sooooo much strategy can be used while playing that folks have different play styles and those styles can be changed depending on what the opponent is doing.

[@sarahpfeuffer1396]

What a fun game to watch. I can learn a lot from both players!

[@konstantinus8835]

It’s satisfying to watch when they put every piece just perfectly together

[@LocherYT]

The way green plays is terrifying, since turn 3 he saw the plains and immediately changed his entire demeanor to fit it onto the plains. he always had an outlet for road pieces and had no trouble entertaining multiple cities. The pieces that didnt fit the bill were thrown towards the enemy in order to throw him off. It's methodical horror. I would even have said that black got better luck with his thick city picks but he just couldnt get away from green pressuring him into defending his choices.

[@npicard]

Green's farm management was superb. At 4:16 he loops a border road back on itself. This is textbook strategy but to pull it off with an 8-segment road takes either ridiculous luck or very careful planning and always looking for opportunities.

[@Human-gu2cx]

It’s funny that even the best of the best still forget it’s their turn

[@ertzler]

I dont even know the rules. Why am I watching this

[@fooknagga9560]

lol same

[@indef2def]

Because, unlike the vast majority of modern board gamers, you appreciate people actually getting good at something?

[@melarym6530]

I will buy it probably

[@maurirodriguez8753]

Me either I don't understand anything

[@ancahuiban6702]

@@melarym6530 Carcassonne is pretty cool, I recommend it. It comes with many expansions! So to understand, everyone is a lord with their own people, and together has to build Carcassonne from scratch (yea, it's a real city from France). Those meeples are their people, with them they build roads (those white lines), churches, fortresses and grazing the fields. When you finish each one of the above actions, you receive points. You can also prevent others from receiving points by stealing their properties or making them not finish them.

[@pokejuice1495]

I love this game. It is simple enough for a child but complex enough to be played competitively. Lots of fun.

[@mennodanmaar]

Big mistake for black at 20:13 that probably costed him the game. He should've gone for the farm on the far left with two castles for a guaranteed 6 points and potentially 9. Denying it from his opponent. Instead he went for a second road for a measly 4 points with his last meeple.

[@AvgJoeCrowe]

Wasn't that farmland already claimed? Or, am I looking at a different spot?

[@nitewalker11]

@@AvgJoeCrowe its only claimed on one side, on the far left side its unclaimed and counts as a separate field

[@andrewhenshaw4067]

It wasn't just 4 points, it was a total of 13 cause the road piece also connected one of his farmers to 3 new castles, making them share the points (2 farmers each) instead of only green getting those points. I wouldn't say that was a "big mistake"

[@wfchannel4673]

agree. i also think black makes a huge mistake at 6:50 when he doesn't complete his cloister. having that extra meeple the rest of the game could have probably secured him the win.

[@daveharris555]

Years late but man way to go.

[@daveharris555]

Thanks for sharing

[@mkfort]

How do they have a time limit with no move clock? You could get ahead and just stop playing

[@Planeswalkering]

probably because carcassone player have high sportsmanship and not like magic the gathering or chess where people resort to dick move like that

[@spaceman_256]

I think theres a tile missing? Isnt there supposed to be 2 cloisters with a road?

[@kristianronold6210]

You miscounted 1 point at 23:45 (counted 9 when he actually had 10 points). It wouldn´t change the end result though.

[@-.._.-_...-_.._-..__..._.-.-.-]

9 is correct. 7 city tiles plus 2 pennants. The segmented city tile at the bottom-left corner counts as only 1 point.

[@PaperGamesok]

They were using the new rules. All completed cities count for two per tile. Makes a big advantage if you can close lots of small cities and get the farm.

[@r000nin7]

Paper Games lol didnt know about this new rules, where can i find it? Or its only this " 2 pieces castle counts 4 points instead of 2 points" rule? Thanks

[@sirlohengrin6226]

@@r000nin7 I think is only that

[@Coeurebene1]

No idea why that was recommended to me, but I'm intrigued by the concept of "North American National Championship".

[@Trowa71]

Manifest destiny bein' sneaky.

[@migs6674]

Lmao

[@Lakros26]

In my game rules there is written that u cant place tiles so they connect by corners like green did at 10:34. im pretty confused

[@Henson222]

I thought you can´t place a tile if it´s ONLY connect by corners. Here is one side connected correctly.

[@TGDan]

It's the sides that matter, not corners. I might have newer rules or something tho, but that's how I always played it.

[@daknestos]

Gentlemen, you have one map tile less. I miss a monastery with a road. 72 tiles should be, yes ?

[@artemioscaltro928]

Could it be because they play with an even number of tiles for player, so that they intentionally removed one random tile at the beginning?

[@Al0neStillAlive]

@@Jon-G having one guy get the first move and the last move in a 1v1 sounds like bad game design maybe they took one tile out intentionally to make it more balanced for a 1v1 tournament.

[@please.stop.coping]

Guessing from the Blue Jays shirt I'm guessing this is held in Toronto?

[@claudiomorales5774]

I have a Carcassonne Plus . Is a wonderful game. With 11 expantions

[@saavedra29orig69]

10:33 That's why every time i play Carcassonne afterwards i return back to chess :)

[@peacenite]

hahahah i know what you feel but for me this is my favourite game

[@jamesholt8516]

I love this game so much

[@markangeloflores9180]

This is how intense and serious Carcassonne strategies really means. Notice and try to block the opponent's path and motives to gain more points 😁👍🎲♥️🎱🍩☕😃📚📒🖋️

[@Dadalus97]

Why there is one church with Road on board when there are two in pool?

[@daltonwilliams777]

i dont understand i thought that the curved road between the split city wouldnt fit since it was grass touching city.or does it not count when its points touching?

[@madsohm]

It doesn't count when it's diagonally. The pieces only have to fit side-by-side (orthogonally).

[@vladick2432]

Do Shields count in an unfinished castle?

[@Durri01]

23:25 why not claim a 2 tile city right by his side? would have scored him 4 points and the game would have been a draw if I'm correct?

[@caioreis279]

He didn't have a guy available.

[@HristoskoBG]

The (I assume announcer)voice at 1:55 sounding like a Christian chant as the guy is putting a monastery on the map is absolutely hysterical

[@zanedietlin7645]

1:40 why didn’t green build on his own city ?

[@peterhiggs9755]

That tile can make a city very valuable but it also makes it harder to complete and ties up a meeple for many turns. As you can see black never completed the city in part because of that tile.

[@TheHunter2]

why didn't you block his church at @9:34 ? Is blocking not allowed in these championships?

[@TheHunter2]

aw I just saw, right after he blocked you. You deserved that :D

[@gomeska]

why do they add 4 points for a 2 size cities? shouldn't they add only 2 points? or this is a new rule?

[@pablopacheco5177]

Yes, there are new rules

[@gomeska]

@@pablopacheco5177 thanks

[@Ashalmawia]

why does everyone say it's a new rule? I played this a lot over 5 years ago and that was always the rule. 2 points per completed city tile, 1 per incomplete city tile, double for shield

[@Robman92]

Had no idea a carcassonne championship existed : O

[@bucinto]

Just to understand, at the last move, black couldnt had put the piece he just got back ( for closing the road) in the town?

[@beybladeguru101]

You can only use the meeples you get back on your next turn.

[@fabiosilva8448]

23:51 was 10 not nine

[@DisiKleep]

@1:01 why did he got 8 points instead of 6?

[@mn2233]

The center city tile has a shield on it, so that city tile is worth an additional 2 points.

[@DisiKleep]

@@mn2233 Thanks. It's hard to see it.

[@lexum496]

this game is like Orx in Steam. Placing tiles. I think Orx kinda follow the same rules or gameplay? not sure

[@goncalosilva7384]

After 10:33 the game was basically over

[@davidf9222]

Watching that hurt my soul. And ive been playing for 2 days. 😅

[@ToastyKen]

I'm no expert, but since it was ultimately a 3 point game, I wouldn't go that far? Though to be honest it was closer than I thought it'd be!

[@TGDan]

Major oof when he blocked him

[@ДмитрийБелоус-э7о]

Храни Бог всех каркассонщиков. Счастья вам, игроки!

[@ihmesekoilua]

Wait. 5:35 those 2-tile towns are just worth 2 points, not 4.

[@ihmesekoilua]

Oh, new rules, ok... but black should have put a guy in the monastary at 19:15 :P

[@TGDan]

@@ihmesekoilua well he got the same amount of points from the road he put the meeple on instead, so in the end it didn't matter.

[@merthsoft]

Why'd he get 8 for that first City? I thought it was 2 per tile

[@merthsoft]

Oh wait I see the crest now

[@yunseojeong1641]

@@merthsoft crest is plus 2

[@Fusspilzsammler1]

You know you're skrewed when your opponent brings his Buffy lanyard!

[@Ausm70]

is that man shaking being nervous?

[@vinnypinetree8708]

cool game!

[@dennissvitak148]

When black had no more meeples to place, he was done.

[@Esarteee]

I thought you can't leave islands of empty pieces?

[@BendeguzLPal]

who told that? there is not such a rule. it is an own strategy to force holes on the playfield, to make your opponents followers stuck.

[@6nabboelosai]

grandee

[@livnglarge]

Just double-checking (for my research) are either of you wearing fedoras during this match?

[@Al0neStillAlive]

Maybe red shirt but I doubt the other guy is a soy boy seemed more normal and Carcassonne is a legit good game.

[@ellieevans9717]

Nerd on nerd violence right here

[@Physiology-E-Paathshala]

Mr green nailed it....congrats

[@gonzalof6827]

Mis amigos y yo jugamos pero sin poder bloquear una ciodad como en el minuto 10:34 en mi opinión arruina el juego.

[@leonardoalcantara6778]

Muito show esse jogo!

[@teddyandpete]

The guy in black keeps beating up the cards! He bangs them on the table. Very rude to handle someone else's game so roughly! I can only imagine how his own games look!

[@bmrigs]

And flicking them at the edges eventually separating the cardboard. He won't be back at my house again....

[@white5mage]

@@bmrigs He was at your house? lol

[@futendoji]

How can that be an official match? drawing rule, you pick a tile from the pile, look at it then put it facing upside on the table so everione sees it. Second how does black player score 8 points with his first city that is made out of 3 city tiles??? Also i dont understand why all over internationally the American Rules got standardized.... (Original German Rules, only give 2 points for 2 part citys, also original Rules did not have monopolies on Citys, roads, etc. You were always able to add miples to ongoing citys and stuf) it made it a real nice mix between coop and competitive game. It also made it a talking/bartering game.

[@goncalosilva7384]

He made 8 points because one of the city tiles had the shield which grants 2 additional points

[@futendoji]

@@goncalosilva7384 ok, that would make sense, only tryed to watch it on phone, and got put off pretty fast... Don't see it on the small screen, but since im not going to watch it on pc, and i don't have reasons to distrust your neutral comment, I'll just take your word for it 🙂

[@davidf9222]

You can add your meeples to other players started cities, there is a certain way of having to do it though. Look into the rules.

[@futendoji]

@@davidf9222 i know both rules, original clasic rules from the 200x in German and modern rules, in germam spanish and English.....

[@davidf9222]

@@futendoji No, you obviously dont know the rules if you dont even know how a city is scored. get off your high horse nerd.

[@kvintesson3331]

Интересная игра. Если бы мужчина справа поставил крестьянин в конце то возможно бы выиграл.

[@TheGombocz]

That perfectly cockblocking upside road turn at 10:33...That's gonna be unfinished Sir Opponent!

[@MrGoandrush]

I dont get it why He gave out so much extra points to him. Ok, the opponent cant finish the city, and 1 meeple stock there, but all those points could be his own score, or finish his cloister eralier... By watching this I dont understand why am I not sitting in the championship... Maybe they were just tired already after a long day... Easy to be smart from my chair at home with clear mind. .. But I think I have good chance in championship. I wish to play with all expansions together on championship with 10 players. That would be the best...

[@PG-cl8lh]

You don't understand the rules and you want to play in the championship

[@BsScienceGeek101]

Analysis Paralysis YEESH!

[@hrvoje6041]

this black guy had so many mistakes I can't believe this was a final game of a championship. i though it was an early game. first i cheered for the black guy he was more friendly looking but that was mistake. green guy had every move tactically thought and the black guy every other tile placed like 'i dont know what should i do with this tile'

even than was a 3 points victory... maybe the green guy was not so good after all

[@chaosvemon]

the green guy goes first he got higher advantage(going first/drawing 1 more card ), and he played defensively by killing blacks follower around 10:30 and 15:05.. but tbh these 2 guys werent super dick on the play, most ppl back in early 2000 on the xbox arcade ranking were better than these 2

[@omnipotent11]

Call the foul, ref!

[@bRG-v]

Une forteresse composé de 2 tuiles ne compte que 2 points et pas 4. C'est écrit noir sur blanc dans les règles de base

[@adognamedsally]

I don't understand the rules at all, but I guessed the dude on the right would win from the first couple minutes, just because he seems more confident. Weird how that works.

[@yoyo2222221]

He lost though...The guy on the left won the game.

[@willhall4037]

The guy using black would be thrown out my house. Tap tap tap, and holding and hidng the tile is not acceptable in my group. He wears out patience as well as the card.

[@joanseguimarch]

¿Un Campeonato Nacional usando esta mesa tan estrecha? Ridículo...

[@PG-cl8lh]

Falta una loseta y el de rojo juega muchísimo mejor que el de negro.

[@hemtar]

Red had to win, black was exhausting to watch xD

[@iprincecharmbp]

So is this white peoples dominoes? Owning land and houses around golf courses Looks fun AF

[@bvbxiong5791]

nerd rage at 2:00