Gen X Is Meaner Than Gen Z and Millennials Are All Me, Me, Me

Is Gen Z nicer than Gen X? Are Millennials too attached to their generation identity? Trevor is joined by best selling author and columnist Joel Stein (a Gen X'er), and the two talk about the pros and cons to each generation, why they never felt like they fit the "macho man" version of masculinity, and discuss what you can do to make the world a better place. Because sometimes, a little bit goes a long way!
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[@Omega13channel]

As a Gen X’r we’re not “mean” but we can’t stand inauthenticity. When people lecture about “inclusiveness” and “compassion” my cringe meter starts to rise. These are often the same ones who run campaigns to cancel people who don’t agree with them. I have no problem calling them out on their bs.

[@novakjovanovic7715]

As a colleague, agreed.

[@AlexanderjFraser1]

As a Gen Z (22), I completely agree. People think Gen Z is the same as the millennials just more extreme, this is completely wrong. The guy in the video is a late millennial, I don't care what age he is. Gen Z is not woke, we're currently seeing conservatism on the rise in high schools, and literally Andrew Tate in the middle schools. Also it telling that these two people seem like some of the most privileged people on the planet and unaware of it, and no it's not because of their skin colour.

[@remconoordermeer7015]

Yup. I guess this allergy towards “inclusiveness” or and victim mentality stems from our own childhood, where we had to figure things out by ourselves and any problems you had were met with “suck it up, buttercup!” This means we generally see victim mentality (and bullying, on the other end of the spectrum, which includes cancel culture) as the lazy way to deal with problems, instead of owning up to your mistakes and shouldering your own problems. Even if it’s “not fair.”

[@SHL-ge3wn]

@@AlexanderjFraser1 As an older X, I have hope for some or maybe even most of the Z's. If they've been raised by smart X'ers, they at least have been taught (at home, not school) critical thinking which is key to survival and thriving in this time. Mills? Effing useless. I write them all off.

[@AlexanderjFraser1]

@@SHL-ge3wn America's lost generation, unlucky really.

[@PrivateIdaho24-7-52]

People confuse being honest for being mean. Gen X isn't mean, we just don't sugar coat crap so other people don't have to accept reality or facts because doing so might hurt their feelings.

[@nftsforsalecom77]

Truth

[@SHL-ge3wn]

Exactly. X'ers are the last gen that are survivors. We have and will continue to overcome nearly all obstacles without pissing and moaning. We're the last gen that was actually taught critical thinking. We don't go to work and piss and moan and whine, we just get shit done.

[@gobbo1917]

My problem is that you want to call people out while doing absolutely nothing, gen-x skirted by without all the problems that zoomers and millennials had to go through (including the in between gen zillennial ) They did nothing besides inline skating, skateboarding and Nirvana for the culture. Not to mention most of you were the people that raised a lot of the zoomers and allowed them to show their little bittys on only cans, so most of your gen is an accomplice to PDFphilia through neglectful parenting. 😣 Completely ineffectual gen.

[@gobbo1917]

​@@SHL-ge3wnliterally all gen xers do is cope, absolutely pathetic 😂😂

[@ninja-mouse]

If he was from generation x, he would understand that we think: sticks and stones can break my bones, but words will never hurt me. And we don't shout at anyone to express our opinion.

[@annmarieknapp]

I'm gen X and society didn't give a flip about us when we were kids. We were told if life was hard or you were being bullied to suck it up and grow a pair. So now we are told we are mean, when we were treated like garbage ourselves, and now have to deal with all the cancel cuture shenanigans just because Gen X is tired and in patient. We were ignored forever and suddenly now people want to criticize us. News flash we are over it by now.

[@tobiasb9645]

No We are the most killer generation ever

[@sparringa]

As a Gen X i would say we are not meaner we just don´t care. We grew up doing things ourselves if we fell we stood back up and we didn´t give a rats ass what other people thought of us. Now kids constantly want confirmation and if people don´t do it they go on social media and whine and cry about it.

[@mztweety1374]

If the grid goes down again like an 03 we will know what to do millennials not so much. GenZ will have a nervous breakdown and blame their self diagnosed ADHD because they can't make tiktoks about it. I said what I said

[@etude79]

@@mztweety1374 I totally agree. Millennials and GenZ needs to have a GenX friend because they are f***ed when this happens. lol

[@mztweety1374]

@@thaddeust.thirdiii736 sounds pretty personal

[@mztweety1374]

@@thaddeust.thirdiii736 we have old school skills not necessarily new school skills. Millennials will understand eventually just like GenX does now.

[@mztweety1374]

@@thaddeust.thirdiii736 mmmmkay

[@waynethompson1115]

I'm genx, it's not that we are mean, it's we don't care about your feelings. We don't have time for that. If yer in your feelings, nothing gets done.

[@karmasutra4774]

Exactly

[@RoyalFizzbin]

Co-signed.

[@michaelkost6060]

Speaking truth!

[@chrystianaw8256]

This is the problem with your rotten generation. You are supposed to offer guidance and a good example to the younger generation, yet gen x is completely apathetic to the needs of the youth, even their own children

[@waynethompson1115]

@@chrystianaw8256 changed my reply. Feelings don't accomplish anything and they're yours. Giving guidance? We do. Than we laugh when you don't listen. Than its funny yer mad we laughed. I sat my boys down as they turned 18. Told them I'm not responsible for them anymore. Your life is yours. As long as they don't screw around I'll pay all their bills and send them to college. The sooner they get off my dime the happier I'll be so I can put more into retirement. Don't care how ya feel about it. Meanwhile, my kids can drop $20k in cash for their car that they earned themselves. I'm not going to walk in their shoes because they have it far better than we did and their challenges are theirs. I would rather be harsh and teach them reality than coddle them and have their hands out begging.

[@steveb7429]

As a Gen X, we are not mean. But we don’t tolerate BS. Our message: stop whining. No one cares about your feelings. . Life is not fair so get over it. Get a job, hold yourself accountable, and act like an adult Oh, and get off social media and learn how to interact with actual human beings.

[@magdalenem4949]

fello GenX here, great comment

[@darbyl3872]

Preach!

[@RRDB92]

or how abt DONT interact with other human beings bc most of y'all SUCK regardless whether real life or in social media 😁

[@chrystianaw8256]

Gen x is the worst generation

[@AlexanderjFraser1]

As a Gen Z, I generally agree but I'll make some corrections. "Get a job" ~ develop skills needed to produce something that someone will pay money for. "get off social media and learn how to interact with actual human beings" ~ get on social media and start organizing.

[@gustav24-7-52]

Gen X is viewed as mean? No, We just don't sugarcoat shit. 2 plus 2 is 4 so don't waste our time debating it. We don't care. You can tell who grew up taking care of themself and who got handed participation trophies just for showing up.

[@richardcarte]

so because you suffered, you wanna see the next generation suffer is what I’m getting from you comment. How about you work together with your fellow human beings, including people of the younger generations to make this world better place. Some more very childish behavior from a so-called elder. Throwing a temper tantrum because you can’t handle a little change because the world isn’t doing things exactly the way you expect and demand it to. Blaming other generations for the problems of the world. How about you get to know someone a little bit, and then judge them on the content of their own personal character, instead of putting them all in a box. Which, by the way, is the same thing your parents generation to yours growing up. Other words, continuing the same vicious cycle of labeling, boxing in and blaming people to make yourself feel better. You’re nothing more than a grown child. We should learn to manage our emotions, not suppress them, or in other words “suck it up”. You also talk about how younger generations wrapped up in their feelings and yet there’s nothing but pure negative emotional energy radiating from your comment.

[@kimerasatanica7799]

I am Gen x and I agree with most of the comments by my fellow x-ers. We are not mean by nature, in fact most of the x-ers I know are super chill, open minded, non racist and inclusive but we don't like to follow the herd. We want to do our thing and we want people to leave us alone to do what we want. We have no filter, take no shit and don't give a fuck about hurting your feelings.

[@richardcarte]

so because you suffered, you wanna see the next generation suffer is what I’m getting from you comment. How about you work together with your fellow human beings, including people of the younger generations to make this world better place. Some more very childish behavior from a so-called elder. Throwing a temper tantrum because you can’t handle a little change because the world isn’t doing things exactly the way you expect and demand it to. Blaming other generations for the problems of the world. How about you get to know someone a little bit, and then judge them on the content of their own personal character, instead of putting them all in a box. Which, by the way, is the same thing your parents generation to yours growing up. Other words, continuing the same vicious cycle of labeling, boxing in and blaming people to make yourself feel better. You’re nothing more than a grown child. We should learn to manage our emotions, not suppress them, or in other words “suck it up”. You also talk about how younger generations wrapped up in their feelings and yet there’s nothing but pure negative emotional energy radiating from your comment.

[@Sandalphon777]

We're bluntly honest and when we "spit facts" we don't beat aound the bush, sugar coat, or buffer the crap. Ya take it as it's given and figure it out yourselves. If you don't have the mental capacities to analyze and discern that's not our responsibility or problem...blame your parents...IQ is at least 50% genetic. We'll be inclusive if we vibe but we're generally libertarian individualists, authenticity and accepting your own personal self as you are without external influences screwing you out of being yourselves...we're not collectivistic but we will form groups temporarily for a mutual cause if we all believe in said cause but those that don't won't be a part of it and it's all good cause we respect each other's right to oir own values and individual perspectives...at least those with above average intelligence as it stood in the 80s and early 90s which, as a side note, has decreased by a full 20+ points to fit "average intelligence" criteria since then... Then there's the whole "don't fuck with us/leave us alone/ nonfucks given" norm...and as a follow up to those don't unless you wanna pull back a stump, wind up in a body bag or dismembered and fed to gators for example...not figuratively spealing either...leave us alone, we tell people that for THEIR safety not our own. We will not be held responsible for the outcome if you choose to ignore that warning and we will not pity, feel shame or remorse 'cause ultimately you were warned repeatedly, you chose to ignore the warning and you paid the price as we saw fit according to our own personal laws, values, and determinations...we will not apologise to you nor your parents nor any "authority" figure because we know, for ourselves, we weren't wrong in what we did and we know no one in governmental positions or those paid by them is to be trusted nor anyone else.

[@kronos458]

Boomer were meaner and narcissistic, Gen X were rebels, artists, independent people.

[@noneya5824]

I'm gen x and have a gen z daughter. I feel bad gen z didn't get the childhood we got. Yeah sure we were a bit ignored but we had confidence and self reassurance. I felt like i could do anything as a young person. My daughter is 17 and nervous to ask the waitress for ketchup.

[@GordiansKnotHere]

My daughter is the same age and she is exactly the same. I'm Gen X, grew up in NYC in the 70's- 80's and really seen it all... I watch these kids today man and I really don't know how they are going to make it out there.

[@reganpain1738]

Then you need to teach your daughter some gen x lessons. Alot of our problems today are because alot of Gen x decided to be their kids friends rather than parents. I look around and see alot of people I went to school with, doing exactly this. I hang my head. Have we failed the kids of today. Yes. We have not done a good enough job to give our kids enough confidence to tell our leaders to "F" off with their bs. And now our kids have become bad science experiments. We need to pull our thumbs out and be parents again

[@chrystianaw8256]

​@@GordiansKnotHereit's cause y'all failed to raise them

[@richardcarte]

Maybe that has something to do with your parenting skills.

[@richardcarte]

@@GordiansKnotHere maybe they have something to do with your parenting skills.

[@fooliecoolie5284]

We generation x aren't mean. We just care more about honesty and integrity than we do about your feelings.

[@kokomo74149]

GEN X KNEW HOW TO LAUGH AT THEMSELVES

[@krissiausomemom]

Still do 😂

[@alleycatalog]

Still does!! We are middle aged, not dust.

[@krissiausomemom]

😹😹😹😹

[@barbaradalziel9421]

Yes and we still do because we can I agree with you

[@The_Zilli]

We're the f*ck around and find out generation for a reason.

[@aaronsanborn4291]

As a Gen Xer we are masters of the old and the new, we helped bring down the Iron Curtain, we fought in both Gulf Wars and Afghanistan as well as doing peacekeeping in The Sinia, Haiti, Bosnia and Kosovo, we invented or improved most extreme sports, we are utterly ruthless with our enemies. We are extremely independent and hard working...and we partied hard, we invented the phrase "hold my beer and watch this shit." I have kids who are 24, 20, 16, 8 and 2 and they know "Don't whine and cry to Dad because he will be brutally honest and tell you to fix your fuck up"

[@GNARLOUSE]

Nice!

[@YesTHATJohnSmith]

Earthly, but ACCURATELY put!

[@geminate3997]

They need to hear it

[@richardcarte]

so because you suffered, you wanna see the next generation suffer is what I’m getting from you comment. How about you work together with your fellow human beings, including people of the younger generations to make this world better place. Some more very childish behavior from a so-called elder. Throwing a temper tantrum because you can’t handle a little change because the world isn’t doing things exactly the way you expect and demand it to. Blaming other generations for the problems of the world. How about you get to know someone a little bit, and then judge them on the content of their own personal character, instead of putting them all in a box. Which, by the way, is the same thing your parents generation to yours growing up. Other words, continuing the same vicious cycle of labeling, boxing in and blaming people to make yourself feel better. You’re nothing more than a grown child. We should learn to manage our emotions, not suppress them, or in other words “suck it up”. You also talk about how younger generations wrapped up in their feelings and yet there’s nothing but pure negative emotional energy radiating from your comment.

[@scotthullinger4684]

Gen X goes commando. Gen Z and millennials wear diapers.

[@litebrite8993]

We Gen X are a different breed. We're tougher, meaner, and more creative than the rest because we grew up in something called 'outside'

[@moneyblue8466]

Gen x wants to be so different so bad but the real ones who know how the world changed we’re the silencers and baby boomers

[@equipmunk9442]

Eh, it's not about wanting to be different, we just experienced different types of changes. I'm a gen x and we grew up playing outside as kids, but also are young enough to be tech savvy with cell phones and PC's.

[@thaddeust.thirdiii736]

@@equipmunk9442you’re not tech savvy. You guys need help

[@equipmunk9442]

@@thaddeust.thirdiii736such and ignorant statement. I can’t speak for all of Gen X, but I work in IT and have many friends from my youth who have similar careers. But you keep on thinking you’re better than everyone… lol

[@kokomo74149]

@@moneyblue8466 you guys had parents... the news had to remind our parents they should look for us Gen X every night. Lol It's a self reliance that we were forced into younger because we were the lost generation, latch key kids. We lived the book "the lord of the flies" everyday. We HAD to be tougher. It really was a parentless violent time. No different than the Gens after us but all those safety laws and guidelines were implemented because so much of Gen X died without parents. Just saying. Comparing our change to yours is apple to oranges. They don't have any similarities. We Do Not think we are better... we Know we are tougher if we survived. It's not personal. We faced more danger than previous generations just walking outside. Granted I am not speaking of war. Just the dangers we faced in our own front yards. We recognize the contribution of of prior generations. We are not trying to discredit you. Without you we would not have been left unprotected in a violent world. Lol Joking Gen X is considered "mean" because we developed extreme sarcasm as a coping mechanism. Lol 😁

[@Scrap-dog8181]

Gen X are basically feral animals, Millennials are like your older domesticated pets, Gen Z are like a new puppy or kitten from the pet store.

[@MarcyTrivette]

So what is Gen Alpha?

[@Scrap-dog8181]

@@MarcyTrivette Gen Alpha is the new Hybrid Cocker doodle mix that is going to save us all. More educated and smart, easy to train and understands why. Help me Gen A your our only hope.

[@AlexanderjFraser1]

Okay Millennial. Don't worry, Gen Z will save us and Gen A will take the credit, just like their parents. "easy to train" the fact you think this is good thing is absolutely terrifying.

[@Scrap-dog8181]

@@AlexanderjFraser1 I am 100% gen X. 100% Cynical and dripping with sarcastic cheese. You can call me Ray and you can call me J but don't call me a Millennial. Thank you

[@AlexanderjFraser1]

@@Scrap-dog8181 Using sarcasm by directly inverting what you mean, you really are a Gen X. We can agree on how bad the Millennials are at least.

[@isabellacarter2863]

Gen X wrote it's own rules at 7 and by 17 broke all of them.

[@GordiansKnotHere]

I was born in 68 and we ARE mean because most of us grew up mean. Being raised by my step father who worked for the mob after Vietnam. At 14 I fled into NYC after not wanting to be brutalized anymore... Nothing shocks or phases me. I think my big fault would be, After a life of hell I can be bit over protective of my family...

[@Omega13channel]

Same here. No one cared about your feelings. We weren’t allowed to have them.

[@alleycatalog]

74 here and I can go from sweet to scary in a millisecond under the right circumstances. It's a defense mechanism I think. I was telling my gen z daughter that back then if you couldn't take a joke nobody liked you and you had no friends.

[@GordiansKnotHere]

@@alleycatalog Correctomundo!

[@richardcarte]

@@alleycatalog if your daughter can’t take a joke, it’s probably got a lot more to do with your parenting skills than anything else.

[@LoriB-vc4el]

oh my god.❤

[@stephenhobbs4753]

This Gen Xer doesn't care if we are seen as mean... Truth above all and yeah, it hurts sometimes...

[@starscreamthecruel8026]

Simple Mantra from a Gen Xer: Don't be a dick, the rest is up to you

[@jonhopp]

They often fail at the first part tbh

[@crystallee5085]

Gen x and raised two gen z sons which can fish cook and shoot a gun and play video games and can survive and one mills son thank god he had the rest of us

[@samuelsmithjr6380]

Im generation x The only thing I will say is I would rather be mean and have comansanse than to cry and blame everyone else for my bad choices and mistakes or when you don't get your way

[@vaderladyl]

Yeah I am so bored with the constant whining of Millennials that Boomers did them some perceived dirty. Man up and do your thing, for God's sake!

[@GenXamerica]

Amen

[@phillychick4196]

A fucking men

[@carpenoctem775]

Gen X were stereotyped as slackers. It was a different time in the 90’s. The times changed and they matured later on.

[@samuelsmithjr6380]

@carpenoctem775 no we were slackers by definition but the reason it looked that way is because from where we were left to do things on are own we learned to work smarter not harder we would find the most efficient and fastest way to do it and we would do it right the first time so we would not have to do it a second time

[@barbaradalziel9421]

Im a gen x er i hate phony people and people who only care about looks and money. But we grew up with so much fun stuff indoors and outdoors best generation to grow up in

[@melissabird901]

Agree! More balanced and a safer time.

[@victoriagrove5344]

We need to address the failure of the educational system. Kids are not learning. They do not seem to understand that education is their path to a good life. Let’s make education a priority or the country will not be able to function in the coming decades. I know that social media has been a huge distraction. It does not have to be! Let’s help our kids learn the joy of reading, expanding their knowledge of the world and follow their dreams until they find them. It starts with all of us. It must start now.

[@LoriB-vc4el]

I agree social media can be distracting but it is also a tremendous form of communication. communication is not been as fast as it is now and look at all the different ways we can communicate. that's really use this to fix all these problems especially education. no wonder the boomers feel good about themselves though look at all the high schools that were built just for them. and when we get to things they are all crumbling breaking and falling apart because they are so old. what should we do build new high schools?

[@robdixson196]

The biggest failure Gen X made was not learning to use the one simple phrase their parents constantly used. "GO play" Which meant outside the house, and preferably off the property. If anything we were not nearly mean enough.

[@alittlewasted3869]

Yeah Gen X can be a bit pissed off and mean. We were ignored to the point we had to make not giving a fuck look cool all while we were screaming inside.

[@richardcarte]

Thank you for being a real elder, and actually being honest about some faults your generation might’ve had instead of blaming an entire generation for ruining the world just because they don’t do things exactly the way you did them. a lot of these people in this comment section who are x’ers, seem to be talking about how the younger generation isn’t pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and that their generation doesn’t care about feelings, and yet all their comments, radiate with rage, judgment and all around emotional. Thank you for not looking at the pastor rose tinted glasses. I would like to shake your hand.

[@annmarieknapp]

How does we don't have patience for bullshit and don't like superficial dribble make us mean? I find having to apologize for being middle-aged in an ageist cuture that doesn't know difference between Boomers and Gen X unacceptable and not going to do it. M

[@sesimie]

Gen X here...When Trevor started talking D&D5e & Bards i knew I'd like this kid! Also my Mom loved Neil Diamond! Love it!

[@davidpar2]

“Mean.” Translation: Frank and unburdened with PC pretense.

[@richardcarte]

You can speak truth without being judgmental, age, prejudice, or mean

[@davidpar2]

⁠@@richardcarteyou can accept truth without defaulting to victimhood narratives.

[@richardcarte]

@@davidpar2 yeah, no shit how long it take you to figure that one out. And same thing goes for the superiority complex

[@davidpar2]

@@richardcartelol. Oh, the irony, you performative, virtue signaling narcissist.

[@davidpar2]

⁠@@richardcarteI’m sure that seemed like quite a good one in your head, but as a virtue signaling narcissist, you are in no position to presume to accuse anyone of a superiority complex.

[@Kanieht.L]

I’m Gen x …. were just raised differently…..

[@electrictofumuffins6384]

Genx we ALL KNEW we were cool. Every single one of us thought we were very cool with zero doubts. @14:56 talking like that would get you punched in the face by friends. So we learned to not be worm like and to be awesome.

[@RRDB92]

REAL genXer here. born in '79. and yeh I CAN be mean. why? bc we didnt have all that therapy & bully prevention grps like gen Z has today. genXers like ME had to take that bullying & either swallow it or fight back. PLUS we have to get up & work hard whatever job we had. gen zees & even some millennials want the "soft life" 🤣🤣🤣 im even mean to OTHER genXers too! how are you Gen X but then say your life was AMAZING? man, our life was just WEIRD. wouldnt trade it for another tho😁💖

[@richardcarte]

so because you suffered, you wanna see the next generation suffer is what I’m getting from you comment. How about you work together with your fellow human beings, including people of the younger generations to make this world better place. Some more very childish behavior from a so-called elder. Throwing a temper tantrum because you can’t handle a little change because the world isn’t doing things exactly the way you expect and demand it to. Blaming other generations for the problems of the world. How about you get to know someone a little bit, and then judge them on the content of their own personal character, instead of putting them all in a box. Which, by the way, is the same thing your parents generation to yours growing up. Other words, continuing the same vicious cycle of labeling, boxing in and blaming people to make yourself feel better. You’re nothing more than a grown child. We should learn to manage our emotions, not suppress them, or in other words “suck it up”. You also talk about how younger generations wrapped up in their feelings and yet there’s nothing but pure negative emotional energy radiating from your comment.

[@richardcarte]

By the way, bullying that is allowed to go on, creates depression and anxiety problems in kids. Says a lot about you.

[@CantRead1]

​@@richardcarteGen X are so toxic and think they are the baddest people on the planet. It's funny how stupid they sound in these comments lmao. They lack self awareness.

[@constancenishimoto]

Yes we were mean to each other...but we could dish it out and take it... 😂

[@constancenishimoto]

​@@richardcartego to your safe place and we'll give you a trophy 🏆

[@mlindsay3133]

Gen X in the house! I was born in 1970, my son is a Millennial born in 1989, and I want to know what Gen Z wants to talk about and I also want to know what teenagers find interesting.

[@mlindsay3133]

Are those entering high school now Gen Z?

[@alexandergapour1253]

@@mlindsay3133 Gen Alpha Gen z is mostly adults now

[@karmasutra4774]

@@mlindsay3133 we have 2 GenZ - 22 and 18 . So there are getting older now

[@mastersnet18]

@@alexandergapour1253no Gen Alpha are 11 or younger right now since they were born after 2012.

[@AlexanderjFraser1]

The data's in: Andrew Tate.

[@SHL-ge3wn]

I'm gen X. I work with Mills and Z's. The Mills are nearly all functionally unemployable. I've never heard more effing whining and excuses than the Mills. The Z's who have been raised by X'ers who've been spending a lot of home time deprogrammed by their X parents from the BS taught in school seem to be salvage-able, are sharp.

[@LoriB-vc4el]

you're right I am the programming myself from what was Taught in 😅School in college

[@lynn6799]

I get told im mean by my gen x boss (hes a pathological liar and narcissist.). Apparently its considered mean to treat people like the adults they claim to be and talk to them like they have an actual, real, brain. Go figure. And yes, im gen x also. My boss is on the older side while im on the younger side).

[@snow40741]

Gen X don't play...so dont try to play us!

[@southlondonlad9144]

Even though I was born in 1981, I feel more like a Gen X than a millennial.

[@azurephoenix9546]

Because you are genX. You can't have a new generation before the previous generation is even old enough to start having kids. Or drive a car by themselves.

[@timothyblazer1749]

Yeah...they made up a new category Xennial which covers up until 1985. I don't know why GenX is only 16 years long...its THE shortest time span given to any generation...i think it's because boomers were terrified to let us actually unite. 😂

[@karmasutra4774]

I was born in 73 but connect more with the way Millennials party and like experiences. I love pictures and did even in the 80's before cell phones. Most of my friends and social group are Millenials and some Genx

[@timothyblazer1749]

@@karmasutra4774 I was raving in the 80s and 90s. millennials adopted that culture from GenX. The same with Goth, industrial and punk.

[@azedel7151]

@@azurephoenix9546 "You can't have a new generation before the previous generation is even old enough to start having kids. " ------------------ You're referring to a Familial Generation, where one generation generally reaches adulthood before they have children, which would make the next generation. What's being discussed is a Social Generation where people born during a time period in history share common cultural experiences.

[@GNARLOUSE]

GenZ, no worries, you were/are raised by X'ers you will be fine! Millennials....Sigh, just try your best to forget what they taught you is my best advice.

[@chrystianaw8256]

Gen x is the reason why Gen z is in trouble

[@GNARLOUSE]

@chrystianaw8256 wrong...

[@robertm1672]

millennials never learned what GenX was teaching and listened to your facist school teachers instead. Proven.

[@shanelowe4233]

I second that... WRONG!!

[@robertm1672]

@chrystianaw8256 oh do tell...

[@etude79]

Is it just me or does Joel Stein look like he could be Eric McCormack’s brother. There’s a resemblance there

[@thornbird6768]

Gen X is a strong generation 👍🏻 we don’t blame others and we don’t cry and take offence at anything and everything !! Currently now Millennials are pretty sad as a generation , no accountability , spoiled to death and poor achievers at school 😮 God only knows what their kids will be like 😮

[@dancalvin6340]

Gen Z needs to grow a spine

[@pistachiosandpopcorn7146]

“You’re good looking but not ruggedly handsome”. Hello…I don’t think anyone below gen x has the rugged look. Not being mean I’m serious. I’ve figured out that each generation that is born is softer and softer looking than the last.

[@Chill-mm4pn]

As a millennial I remember being told by a Norwegian female friend that I was ruggedly handsome lol. I definitely feel more like that now in my late 30s than I did back then when I wasn't as muscular.

[@BubbyBoy]

Man, I used to read Joel's blog at the back of Time Magazine. His book about being a man was a fun read too!

[@coryschritter5944]

Nothing I can add to the conversation on Gen X. All so true. Anyone remember your first vehicle being older than you?

[@osmancarrasco8537]

Cool chat. I ll check out that book.

[@CHillTennisEntertainment]

I'm Gen Y (born in the 1990s) and I honestly get along better with Gen X than I do with a lot of people in my own generation. Not mean at all.

[@monsterhobbies]

Hey...my name is Trevor as well! Keep rockin'!

[@matthewrempel6646]

Will just say, I feel like this title is misleading. This conversation is *barely* about generational differences, and the way it’s worded feels very pointed and accusatory. Almost skipped it when the audio version dropped

[@josephfong552]

I really enjoyed your DnD intro!

[@xXlovestideXx]

the zoning out thing happens to me too !! i think it’s related to my adhd. also interesting to hear that trevor may be bipolar 2 bc im bipolar 2 :]

[@milansvancara]

Ask your parents if they immediately went to you anytime you cried when you were a baby... If they didn't, and applied at the time popular "let him cry out" method, that's most likely the cause:)

[@barbarabush962]

Get checked for seizures. I have the same issue and it is one of my types of seizure types.

[@kareeerie3656]

You should look up his widow's article about what really killed him. He had a disorder called Lewy body dementia that is horrible, and reading it made me understand a lot more about why he did what he did. Helped being a counselor, too. Look into it.

[@user-qq3tk2ui2u]

GenX D and D is not to be messed with...we took that stuff to the extremes. Believe it.😊

[@Chill-mm4pn]

As a millennial we tried to do things as were instructed but that didn't work out for most of us. 90s bullies? We beat the fuck out of them. We got slighted growing into adulthood during a recession whereas Gen-Z got a lil' lucky with the opportunities that the internet has provided but that doesn't mean they all can do that.

[@ravenstone366]

Yes we understand you also had a major change in everything after 9/11. Just remember much is sarcasm its what we live off of, feelings we learned along time ago doesn't matter an makes it easier for others to manipulate you, take them and beat you with them , so we learned compartmentalize everything. We believe you have it in you to pave a new path , just be good inside, love yourself for who you are not outward appearances. Just believe in yourself for yourself never for someone else or praise from others, get you no where in the long run..... Whether you hear or not it's fine as this being written is in the past. Also stop looking to the past you can't change what's already past, learn the past all remember, never forget but focus on solutions of solving the issues and putting them into action, follow through. Don't play their game, they fooled us to many times an crushed hope with never-ending lies..

[@timothyblazer1749]

My first was a half elf mage in the 80s. Named him Daenar, using alliteration from LoTR elvish. "Dark Flame". :-)

[@norwegianblue2017]

As a Gen Xer, I'm starting to get tired of us patting ourselves on the back a lot lately. Ironically, that is a very un-GenX thing to do.

[@ColeHrusovsky]

Trevor, if it helps I also have a bard character in DnD that I use a lot. His name is Jeff Boldglum.

[@emkelly8879]

Love this! Breaking down the very real but also somewhat over-emphasised divide between gens is awesome! Can I say that there's really been so much change (and development...?) - so much for families and communities to adapt to - that the generational analysis is almost the thought equivalent of 'WTF just happened...? Why is everything so f'd up? And how can I make this situation workable...? 😅 (Gen x-er here - and I'm a huge fan of Gen Z, and Millenials actually...but particularly Xen Z. But I do feel like Gen x kinda paved the way for both. We broke the seal on the massive social conservatism and hidden/denied toxicity we were born into...Just saying, lol)

[@emkelly8879]

Also, not meaner, but more cynical for sure. If you understand we have a dry sense of humour you get us. We were neglected, harmed, exploited, felt betrayed and guilty simultaneously - and took refuge in our friends and later on our own families and communities: things we had some influence over. Keep in mind - the greatest insight available to us was Oprah and Dr Phil, lol

[@JoeinAlaska]

What can I do at 23 years old? I was a father and was just exiting the military at 23, I earned a black belt, went to college and took care of my family. I'm Gen X, life can be difficult, but it's not stone age or dark ages difficult.

[@mikeb3539]

Gen Z we are not mean, we are just not Pussies. We are hardened. If you had a fight at school you didn't go crying to your mommy and have her call the principal ( You would be mocked relentlessly for that one btw). A broken arm or leg in a cast at school was a badge of honour.

[@richardcarte]

so because you suffered, you wanna see the next generation suffer is what I’m getting from you comment. How about you work together with your fellow human beings, including people of the younger generations to make this world better place. Some more very childish behavior from a so-called elder. Throwing a temper tantrum because you can’t handle a little change because the world isn’t doing things exactly the way you expect and demand it to. Blaming other generations for the problems of the world. How about you get to know someone a little bit, and then judge them on the content of their own personal character, instead of putting them all in a box. Which, by the way, is the same thing your parents generation to yours growing up. Other words, continuing the same vicious cycle of labeling, boxing in and blaming people to make yourself feel better. You’re nothing more than a grown child. We should learn to manage our emotions, not suppress them, or in other words “suck it up”. You also talk about how younger generations wrapped up in their feelings and yet there’s nothing but pure negative emotional energy radiating from your comment.

[@DennyLuv4529]

Don't you mean Gen X?

[@mikeb3539]

I see the miscommunication in my comment. I was basically directing it to Gen Z'ers. Or mabye "The bubble wrapped generation" would be a better title lol.@@DennyLuv4529

[@DennyLuv4529]

@@mikeb3539 Oh, I see now..Thanks for the reply.

[@monicasojka2738]

The difference between Bipolar 1 and Bipolar 2 is that Bipolar 1 patients have full mania where Bipolar 2 patients have HypoMania. I am a Licensed Independent Social Worker-Clinical Practice with a Solo Psychotherapy Practice who has been a therapist for 30 years.

[@juliuscesar4176]

Here's a little known secret: Gen X women were vicious back in the day.

[@BizzKek-hc3bd]

GenX - we didn't have pod casts - we had to suck it up and drive through because nobody cares about us, they never did - so we are happy to share that apathy & indifference in your direction with stoic sarcasm and a tinge of aggression, Do not poke the bear.

[@tommymoody5332]

One-of-a-Kind Memorable, MIne

[@seansalter1679]

My youngest daughter is Gen - Z 3rd yr university. Worked every summer during high school. Gen Z is a very confident extremely plugged in. GEN Z is well positioned to transition into guiding society. Gen z just needs too gain more patience and experience.

[@douglashoughton2179]

The problem with what the trans movement started was the confusion of the language. They want to change what a pronoun is. Language is meant to be descriptive, if anyone who is trans decides to be the opposite gender they expect others to comply with their choice. Another problem comes with males taking advantage of these new rules to be pretitors both in the athletic field and in the female protected spaces (bathrooms and lockerrooms). The older definitions used different terms to define a person who liked to dress like the opposite gender, mainly refering to men, that is crossdresser. This is a man who thinks and dresses more like a woman. They may or may not be gay. These choices were their own, they did not push their choices on others nor did they try to enter a womans bathroom. Another problem is the LGBTQ+ movement is the division of society that they create, LGB is just a spectrum of homosexuality/cis. There is no conflict with these choices as long as they don't push it on others. Transition should be about the % of the conversion that they have transitioned like the character played by John Lithgow in "The World According to Garp" whom transitioned to a woman surgically.

[@jasoncraig3863]

(0:40) I personally think that Night Fever by the Bee Gees is the best song of all time for roller skating, but that might be the gen-x-er in me! lol

[@jenniferbombard8211]

Gen X here. We are mean we just say it like it is. No one cared about our feelings. We did ourselves

[@Optim40]

Gen Z never realizes that they're intellectual persona and ego came from watching us older folks and acting as if they got there on their own. Like you have some special unique gift. No you don't. You copied us and youre running with it as if it was your own. And on that teaser in the beginning. Yes, he's right and for you to think that YOU could do anything was not the point. It was to understand from when that did happen what didn't happen. You got schooled and thought you had a comeback. But he wasn't referring to some sophomoric 23 year old. He was referring to older adults. And as a side note at 23 you do nothing but obey the law and dot your i's and cross your t's and stay out of trouble. It takes more life experiences and wisdom to know "what" to do.

[@christopherross8358]

Me with none Gen X: God, just watch a damn youtube video and get it done! Boomer Response: Could you just make it for me? You really know how to get things and and your the smartest person I know. Gen M Response: I don't like how you are constantly challenging me to improve myself. Gen Z Response: Ow I saw that video, it was great - I found 30 more just like it, want me to forward you a list... ❤ Z's

[@vaderladyl]

In a nutshell! 😊

[@gustav24-7-52]

You are not wrong.

[@GordiansKnotHere]

My kid is a Z, she is the same. Love her!

[@Chill-mm4pn]

Us millennials were also the kids in Iraq. Just saying, nobody had to like the president to serve. Atleast that's what I hear from folks who did.

[@Raggmopp-xl7yf]

Q: What can I - as a 23 yo - do in CA? A: Leave Seriously! I'm a CA native and left 25 years ago. No regrets!

[@richardkautz2947]

When a good Gen Xer tried to set the world straight, we got nothing but resistance !! So we listened to Heavy Metal and screamed at people ! Lol

[@derekhamel2991]

Lazlo from the movie 'UHF'

[@jimjam8949]

I'm an X er and do you know the most important life lessen I've learnt that I think is ignored in all this generational difference stuff under the spotlight just now is. You HAVE to learn to tollerate uncertainty in your life. Uncertainty isn't a symptom of a mental health condition. Young people want certainty because it lessens anxiety. Let's stop giving kids mental health diagnosis in attempts to give then a 'reason' as to why theyre struggling with their inner lives and sense of selves. Its just an excerise in feeding into what the problem is. These kids dont all have undiagnosed ADHD, Bipolar I or II. Theyre a product of too much negative visual information and too little exposure to learning alongside other generations. Please! And let's all just start helping them grow up instead!

[@user-bd9qx7qf2f]

I don't believe it, but I'm Gen X and as a pre-teen I remember religious people tried to warn people to not play D&D because they thought it was evil and of the devil....LMAO

[@Silver-Sliver]

As a GenX who was the younger when the internet 'became', who's parent was of the Silent Generation.. What a world. Sorry, ya'll babies are babies still the way you know. 🤔😆 Cmon now

[@yvonnewilson2242]

GEN X here with Silent Gen parents!!!!! We are the RARE Gen Xers because we weren't raised by Boomers. And thank God for that. Growing up during the Depression for my parents was no different than us growing up as "latch key" kids.

[@courtneymeyers82]

It isn't Gen X's fault Gen Z can't handle or deal with reality. Look, we've given them many years to grow into adulthood. They're now starting to age at 28, pushing 30. Yet, they're still behaving like narcissistic children We're the generation who felt like 30 at 13, so we just don't have the time or the patience to coddle them anymore. They're adults now, if not older teens, responsible capable of doing things for the world Gen X is planning their retirements, right now working extra hard. I've got 6 years. We've worked a lot of us since we were kids We don't have time for their BS, their blatant passive aggressive ageism - as to me, their hatred of old people is the reason Gen X is holding their feet to the fire. We won't tolerate elderly abuse, have had it with their relentless onslaught onto to boomers and Karen's To me, Gen Zs are the true Karens

[@barbaradalziel9421]

Well said I agree with you

[@starscreamthecruel8026]

I was never allowed to be a bard. The idea of a Female Bard just put the wind up my male co players. I tended to play a lot of thieves, rangers and one time; a druid. In third edition I played sorcerors: pick the spells you know the best then at higher levels use them almost continiously. I was the team's GUN basically: ALL attack spells and a couple of defense. Im gonna ask my mate about Vicious Mockery and ask if thats an actual cantrip JUST for Bards or whether Sorceror's can do that? Because my Aranea Sorceror in the next game will be DANGEROUS if she can cuss people into oblivion!

[@johnscott5435]

We're not mean. We just had a different upbringing that made us more self suffient. My father taught me to swim by tossing me out of a row boat. It was sink or swim (I'm sure he would've jumped in if he had too, if there was an issue). I'll bet a lot of Gen Xers and older can relate to that.

[@zemanthekawaiicannibal5395]

what dude said like it's like narcolepsy... SAME

[@joedirt6073]

I feel like an alien in this realm...therapy? WTF...safe space?...WTF...

[@josephperkins4857]

We are not meaner,it's we are honest

[@franklegarda6510]

I disagree I disagree with the flock of seagulls song to roller skate to Xanadu by Olivia Newton-John is the better song to skate to

[@michel5856]

Gen x here Look most us have two rules of engagement If you don't want to hear my opinion don't ask Don't be surprised if I tell you how it is Personally I'm not going to tell you what you want to hear, ever. That's not good for anyone

[@michaeltriptow6877]

GEN-X is the cream of the crop. God forbid if a GEN-X became president. Wink, wink....

[@u140550]

can we have this with gen y aka millennials

[@davidgallagher76]

Need him back

[@TheKatpurz]

Another One Bites the Dust is the ultimate roller skate song...sorry. You are wrong

[@aquariumlife2929]

We are the biggest f*cking trully sweethearts...(to whom deserve...)

[@TheBirdFlu666]

Im a gen Xer, i am not mean. You have to do something to me to get a rude reaction! It's not an easy thing to make me angry! But if you do you will soon regret it! I have no problems hurting anyone's feelings if they deserve it! We got the short end of the stick in life! We were the first generation that didn't do as good as our parents! Yes gen Z i would not want to be you! You are going to have it worse than us! I am on your side gen z, don't make a mistake of alienating any potential and! We know how hard life can be! We raised you, we wanted you to have a better life than us. We raised you the way that we did because we didn't want you to go through the same kinda childhood that we went through! All of this arguing is pointless, pay attention to what's going on around you! Also you need to start questioning what our leaders are really up to! Don't let them distract you by making you argue with each other.

[@pngproductions8529]

[@user-sc6zh3uk9b]

This is the difference between real people and phonies always saying what you mean. Don't sugar coat it say what you mean an mean what you say. That's life. If you don't like it remove yourself from the area.

[@blafonovision4342]

Whatever.

[@jjunture]

I feel like Trevor has a blind spot about how the Alt-right had coopted Pepe the Frog and the okay symbol. His take was frustrating and disappointing to me. It may not have started that way, but those groups adopted it. Also laughing in the guest’s face because you disagree is tacky. (Edit: language changed to hopefully sound like less of a jerk while commenting)

[@jjunture]

Time stamp: 35:52 if you’re looking.

[@matthewrempel6646]

I think you’re coming in a bit harsh, but you are right. In both cases it was a situation of toxic meme 4chan culture evolving a sort of conspiracy into reality. Don’t know if it’s necessarily willful, on his part, but either way I was surprised and annoyed at his response to those topics for sure

[@jjunture]

@@matthewrempel6646 Rereading what I wrote, I agree with you 100%. The tone was more harsh than it should have been. I think my surprise got the better of me, because his take wasn’t what I expected. I’ll edit the post and tone down the language. Thanks for calling that out. I appreciate it.

[@dennisleopold7753]

lol getting mad at meme culture from 6 years ago that had 90 seconds of airtime on this podcast is hilarious

[@timothyblazer1749]

Umm..literally ALL of that was a massive troll, done for the lolz. Nobody actually cared about the politics, except as they could trick the mainstream into believing idiocy.

[@woodhippy]

Lol dungans dragons was for kids too scared to come outside and play

[@hollyshaw-elliemae]

we are just done dealing with validating every damn feeling you have...at some point, you need to accept reality, shit isnt fair, life sucks, you work hard and ya die...this is what we were told. so dont expect us to continue to cater to insanity.

[@1.618Golden]

Gen-X here. We are mean. We do not like weak men. Stop being weak. We will treat you with respect. Therapy. OMG grow up.

[@Optim40]

That's the entire Gen Z generation. And all they do is back talk for any little thing. I would never hire Gen Z that's a damn headache right there. And they think theyre so smart but you end up having to micro manage them. Cause they have ZERO problem solving skills for just common sense life stuff. They're only good at coming up with reasons for NOT to do something. And I haven't said anything about their insecurities. Theyre so quick to become insecure too. Very emotionally immature.

[@hrvojkajurisic2736]

Love love Zs❤X