Gen Z Grad Faces The Brutal Reality of Job Search In 2024

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[@shaunpearce6846]

Entry-level is the hardest to get in to. You're competing with your classmates, last years classmates that couldn't find jobs, people who lost their higher level positions, international students/workers on visas, and legal/illegal migrants.

[@theX24968Z]

I have a question I want to know your thoughts on. I read this online as a response to determine if a job posting is an "evergreen/ghost" job, and that is As a job seeker, you owe it to yourself to ask and receive solid answers to the following questions upon first contact with a recruiter -- internal or external: -- What's the budget salary for this role? -- Is this role fully funded? -- What is the latest anticipated date for onboarding this role? -- Please outline the hiring process, including rounds and timing... and if any of these get run-around answers, that its a big red flag. and to ask for these answers in writing.

[@imogendedo8296]

How are youbgoing to say there is no value in goung to work for costco to sell cell phones, then go on ti say that people with business degrees go the sales route? You contradicted yourself. Retail cellphone sales IS sales. Your views are often inconsistent and contradictory . Beginning to lose faith in what you say

[@cassianaphillips3665]

@@imogendedo8296 a job is better than no job - I bet that one position could open doors for him and give him experiences he could bring to the interviews

[@frankiesayrelax100]

From my experience, hiring managers and especially HR managers ... They all book thousands of interviews each and every year. All as a ruse to justify their schedules and paychecks.

[@reevawebb229]

It don't matter if you white collar, blue collar, a high school dropout or someone with a PHD. The job market is screwed up.

[@0401412740]

They outsourced everything to China

[@yanasosnovskaya864]

yeah, it screwed for everybody

[@gracecase998]

Truth!

[@civicboi96]

Here, have another 100,000 migrants. That should help with the competition right?

[@da8wonder]

H1bs and offshore

[@maximkusanagi]

Sir, i filed 400 job applications and did 270 assessments in the span of 4 weeks. I applied to all the jobs I have experience with. The only callbacks I got were from scam companies.

[@keciaaskew5166]

Wow unbelievable. I hate when companies do this, especially when people that are still unemployed are still looking for employment. My sister used to get callbacks from scam companies as well.

[@maximkusanagi]

@keciaaskew5166 the scam companies are starting to use the names of companies in other parts of the world that you would need a local number to contact. They're getting bold.

[@liz_violet]

i got woken up at 10 am from a scam company trying to set me up with an interview. ive never sent my resume or nothin'. but i got a text an hour later about people who made 1,000 a day, no cold calls.

[@IsDefinitelyHuman]

I hate how the companies sell our information to scammers who just call us to try getting us to move to NYC for a potential job that requires an in-person interview. Great way to get robbed blind. Don't go to NYC.

[@ISureDont]

This is actually becoming a huge issue. Places like indeed are selling our data to scammers (advertisers). Assume your resume and job application is public information when using job application sites.

[@vigglarodz]

Companies always tell me they refuse to train. That's the ONLY problem I'm running into.

[@chancepaladin]

yea they want everyone to be magically fully trained, and conjure the money and time out of thin air to do that, and not reimburse you with pay to be pre-trained.

[@KRYMauL]

You have to get an internship.

[@DiamondFlame45]

@@KRYMauLYou don’t listen! Even employers want interns with internship experience lol It’s a catch 22 situation! I am so lucky I was able to get a role without internships. You need connections these days or be lucky

[@KRYMauL]

@@Bmagellan OP, not you.

[@KRYMauL]

@@DiamondFlame45 I haven't seen an internship that required an internship. Only Amazon said that internships don't count.

[@arcanineryu]

Stores will literally leave "help wanted" signs in the window for years and never hire because it gives the impression to customers that the staff shortage is temporary rather than a permanent choice to understaff the store to make a buck.

[@DakotaFord592]

McDonald's is hiring immediately.

[@thatguy6482]

@@DakotaFord592 Maybe where you are it is.

[@kate60]

Wrong. They can't find good help. I was hiring every week. They don't show up on the first day or quit before training is complete. No matter how well you treat them they behave horrible.

[@keithmonroe383]

Yeah it also gives the illusion that the company is growing too and they always want a stack of applications just for when they actually do hire.

[@arturogomez4381]

​@@DakotaFord592😂😂😂

[@wulfsorenson8859]

It’s a sign the country is in a silent depression. Hundreds or thousands of people applying to multiple jobs last happened in the Great Depression. This time it’s less in your face because we have welfare and food banks now.

[@stereo-soulsoundsystem5070]

Fun fact: The Great Depression never ended. We're still in it!

[@nick8243]

Oh please. GDP has been steadily growing. We are not in a recession or depression at all.

[@wulfsorenson8859]

@@nick8243 the GDP only means how much the wealth of the 1% has grown. Stop using that as any kind of metric …If you have a situation where 450 people are applying for one job in a coffee shop that means the country is in a depression. Only reason you’re not noticing dummy is because we have food stamps otherwise who’d have 12% of the population pandling on the streets. And the government is fudging the figures.

[@WonderfulTrouble.]

​​@@nick8243were in a another recession. Look at the stock market numbers. We also got troops deployeed in haiti, were involved in multiple wars in the middle east and were involved with ukraine as well as the illegal immigrant crisis. Sending away to higher billions away every month overseas.

[@aguyaguyaguyimaguy]

I said this were in a worse depression and arent saying that. Problem is the depression wont end this time bc of rampant lack of empathy. This is the new norm.

[@darlenewinch6006]

There are NO ENTRY Level jobs for young people! The entry jobs retires 5 years experience. A son has an Economics degree and is only getting jobs like this young fellow. Instead finance jobs he gets data entry, packing boxes?! What a waste of time getting a degree in the market! He working on a CFA and still NOTHING!! Hiring processes are BROKEN!

[@DakotaFord592]

Taco Bell is hiring immediately.

[@thethan3]

@@DakotaFord592 They pay $20/hr too, that's 41,600 a yr.

[@alexhamilton3522]

Today I learned I make less than Taco Bell and work in IT. Thanks.

[@bignose1752]

@@alexhamilton3522 depends on where you live. They pay less than $10 an hour where I live

[@mr16325]

An economics degree with no internships or consulting clubs etc is not very competive today

[@MrWill-ng8dg]

Older overqualified guy here unsuccessfully looking for any reasonable job after closing my last business. After one year I can't find anything, and I have the skills and experience to literally run these companies. I still have 5-10 working years left, but living in poverty now forced into retirement. Several professional employment consultants have determined that I am being discriminated against. Yes, the job market is very broken.

[@JohnDorian-j7x]

Unfortunately, you and your generation helped craft the particularly unique hell of a job market we're in now... at least you'll have SS for a few years once you retire and maybe even a house you can afford... but the majority of millennials/gen z's can barely get jobs, let alone any of those other "luxuries"

[@ObscureStuff420]

One trick is not to indicate your age by putting the year you graduated on the resume as that can be a giveaway. Limit job history to 10 years "previous history avaliable upon request"

[@MrWill-ng8dg]

@@ObscureStuff420 Thanks for the tips. I checked and I don't include the year of graduation however, I do include 20 years or more of work history. I think I will trim that part.

[@MrWill-ng8dg]

@@JohnDorian-j7x I'm not the one making the rules. I have to play by the same rules everyone else does. I never got any free handouts. I've done more than my share by employing, supporting younger generations, feeding families, and providing counseling and charity to the less fortunate. I've done my best for you and your peers. I wish you great success!

[@suziebee4240]

There was a switch, a shift. I learned about toxicity in relationships, and it was toxicity from top to bottom. Anyone who has a PM degree, well, they do work I cannot do, but their input in so limited to being a pencil pusher but make all the decisions that impact everything. Its all just numbers and control. I saw older people bullying and manipulating young workers, dangling promotions and raises that mean nothing but more responsibilities. Older competent qualified workers are not allowed to be strongly opinionated juniors. They MUST be high paying seniors who are responsible for everything. Or else, they prefer a young 24 year old junior who will do what they are told and sit quiet and happy for the job and pay. But an older gentleman who got a lot of recent certifications finally found a job. Oh definitely helps to live in a hub, not choosing out of 20 companies.

[@azurephoenix9546]

My son went on 15 job interviews and about half said that they're not hiring but they have to interview a certain amount of applicants bc the corporate offices tell them to. Wven the hiring managers don't know why they're doing it sometimes.

[@patricknelson]

Man, seems wasteful and unnecessarily taxing on everyone. I know if/when we ever were hiring, if we found a good candidate, we’d just… y’know… stop and appreciate the fact that we now have a great new person on the team to help us out and get stuff done. That’s _supposed_ to be how it works. Damn.

[@alicruz4900]

What a waste of time and energy

[@azurephoenix9546]

@alicruz4900 The local taco bell has and the same sign up for 4 years "now hiring all shifts" but not a single kid i know in town, high school or college, that has applied has ever been interviewed. This town doesn't even have 10,000 people in it.

[@SbzeroGames]

I don't see the interviewer being that blunt why they are interviewing someone.

[@azurephoenix9546]

@ShawnRomack He was exactly that blunt. I literally said idk why. To me, it sounds like some kind of government subsidy is involved bc how many corporations or small businesses, or farms, or whatever, will say they're hiring, do interviews and then not hire anyone? For years?

[@steveos5112]

The job market for tech jobs is horrible. I was laid off this Feb. after working for a company for 25 years. I sent out over 35 applications and not a single call back. I updated my resume and made it ATS compliant. There is something going on. I’d rather go back to answering ads in newspapers. Whatever tactics companies are using nowadays is shameful.

[@phoenix0401]

The tech market is a trainwreck. Absolute disaster. It’s worse at top end I think because lots of FAANG employees are on the market.

[@sawyer4981]

Wait till you do get a call back. The interviews are insane. Most companies are doing at least one tech interview, a take home project, then another couple rounds of traditional interviews. They expect you to dedicate the better part of an entire work day just to be rejected.

[@matan.saster]

It's not just tech jobs, it's decent people too. Everyone is being squeezed by these capitalist lunatics.

[@phoenix0401]

@@sawyer4981 I know in at least company this is what’s happening. The market is so crazy right now, they want to be sure they don’t hire the wrong person. So they will reject 20 people who may work to avoid hiring one who doesn’t. It’s brutal right now.

[@geo865833]

Just 35 applications? Sorry, expect to send hundreds more. I've been looking for 6 months and have applied to hundreds.

[@kakacoco5]

This is why I slowed down on applying for jobs. I still apply, just not as much. These companies are liars. I’m glad I have job right now. I can’t imagine how bad it is for people who are unemployed.

[@krunchyapples]

Same here. A year ago I was fervently trying to apply to as many things as I could, but still ended up in the same situation as pretty much everyone else here in the comments. Now I've just thrown up my hands because what is the point. I'm still glad that at least I have something for the time being

[@arkainin4638]

Same. I have a job. I kind of hate it, but having work allows me to slowly send out apps to higher-level positions. I'll land one eventually.

[@kakacoco5]

@@arkainin4638 Same here. I don’t hate my job but it’s not the type of work I want to do. The pay is also bad but it’s better than not knowing where my next check is coming from. Looking for another job at this time is crazy. I hope can find a job in the field I am interested in before the end of the year at least.

[@travelvideoz]

@@krunchyapples The point is if you do not apply, you will not get anything.

[@StalkedHuman]

The people with money are all following the script. They only hire corrupt incompetent people then they cry about no one being qualified and foreigners keep getting hired. It's a snow job.

[@n.d.7931]

I'm gen X and I'm going through the EXACT thing this gen Z guy is, and I HAVE experience.

[@LensForgotten]

GenX here too. Lost my Exec VP job Aug 2022 and I’m over 100 applications, 3 interviews one offer that was declined (min wage and lots of travel req).

[@JohnDorian-j7x]

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, ya old boomer

[@chm9935]

Gen x here too. I went thru it too!!

[@glenb1796]

Same here.

[@censoredeveryday3320]

Same. Gen-X here. 20 years experience and 300+ applications. about 10 interviews, no offers. I gave up. Working on getting my CDL now so I can drive truck.

[@8985402]

Too bad internships require the same amount of experience as an entry level job. How do you get work experience when you need experience to get in the door?

[@Wanderer2035]

Honestly just fucking lie at this point

[@warweasel2832]

@@Wanderer2035 You literally just have to claim "freelance" experience so that it's impossible to track down and then make up projects you worked on.

[@TexasStardust11]

I have always asked that question. I got my AS degree in Occupational Therapy Assist and every job I applied to, they call me just to tell me that they prefer someone with experience. I asked why isnt my clinical rotations considered entry level experience? I wouldn’t have passed if I didn’t show competency. So, basically, I was denied everywhere. Very disheartening.

[@istvantoth7431]

@@Wanderer2035 totally agree!

[@Desmondmk3]

At my Org it 2 Interviews, A Phone Screen and Panel. These are for High 5 figure and 6 figure positions.

[@sawyer4981]

The problem with quantity over quality is that you now need both. 10 years ago I could spend a day applying to 20 jobs, and get at least a few calls. That doesn't work anymore. I have sent over 100 very well tailored resumes over the last three months, ZERO calls back. Hell, only a couple even bothered to send a rejection.

[@ProfesionalAP]

What is your profession, and in which state are you?

[@sawyer4981]

@@ProfesionalAP Software development. I'm currently employed, just not happy where I am currently. I've applied to places in just about every state at this point it seems.

[@denverwingchun9852]

@@sawyer4981 I have similar experiences. I got changed from a W2 to a 1099 and am worried about what that means for me keeping my current job.

[@babytripster9834]

​@@sawyer4981I'm in IT also. It's a very broken market now

[@myoutuber77]

@@sawyer4981 Tip: Not sure if you are doing it or not, but if there is an option to provide a cover letter, ALWAYS do. CL speaks for you on so many levels (saves HR time, demonstrates your comms skills, tells HR why youy are a fit, that you are not lazy, etc).

[@jaysilva5854]

It feels like more work applying for work than actually working the job. 😂 I dread applying!

[@myoutuber77]

Applying for jobs IS a full time job.

[@JohnDorian-j7x]

Get internships now!!! You're never too young or inexperienced to try. Get as many as you can, even if they make your degree multiple years longer.

[@PSOpwnage]

Facts it's a full time job applying and interviewing

[@Omegeddon]

The hardest job you'll ever have is unemployment

[@MissTShompagne]

​@@JohnDorian-j7x The majority of internships want a person to be currently in college. If you're already a graduate it's hard to get into an internship program. At least that's what I've experienced.

[@stephencrimi3436]

This kid is so right about college, they don't care about your degree or grads, all they care is about your experience especially if you don't have any. Labor market is broken.

[@fremontpathfinder8463]

A business degree by itself is useless. Being bilingual, majoring in a skill and minoring in business is more useful,

[@FangerZero]

this is not true, it depends on the company. I applied to a job that their HR reached out since the guy knew me, and they went looking for my transcripts via the government since my school no longer exists. FYI I had been in the industry for 5+ years at this point.

[@stevenjacobs2750]

They absolutely care about degrees, but it isn't a differentiator. Everyone is applying with degrees. If you don't have a degree and you have no work experience it is even worse.

[@cheesemaster113]

Literally getting into a trade for about 75 to 80% of the US population is probably better at this point. I remember being utterly destroyed when i graduated with a much more relevant degree than just business or something like communications. Because I wasn't from a major city I couldn't get a good internship, it was only by the literal grace of God that I was able to connect with the right people a year after I graduated.

[@jackcarraway4707]

@@stevenjacobs2750 They "care" about degrees because it means there is a good chance the graduate is desperate and easy to exploig.

[@jiniahaldar9339]

I'm 23 years old with a master's degree in physics and 3 years of experience. I can't get a job, though. I want out of this miserable cycle. Why did I waste my youth trying to get ahead? I never hung out with friends over the weekend, not as a kid, not in uni, not while working, because I was always studying for school or doing online courses. My family never went on vacation because I was always studying so I could graduate early. I've been busy my whole life trying to be perfect, and for what? It's so hard to keep going sometimes. To anyone who thinks grinding will get you anywhere, I sincerely hope your bubble never pops. I hope it works out for you and you never feel as lost and hopeless as I do. Best of luck to us all - it's rough out here.

[@enduringwave87]

You are so young, Masters in Physics at just 23... And God Damn it, it ain't Business, Accounting, Arts, Linguistics.. No.. Its fucking SCIENCE... PHYSCIS.. and you are still JOBLESS.. If a guy like you is sitting JOBLESS with MASTERS in PHYSICS then I stand no chance for landing any good job when I am already 36, holds an Associates Degree in Computer Science and I have been Jobless since 2017 and Tried so hard to find jobs for whole 1 year until I totally gave up on this JOBS and CAREER Thing in late 2018...

[@babyray9536]

That’s wild. Glad I did my runnin round when I was young. Only got an associate’s but atleast it’s something. Plus im older, you’ll b good G. I don’t think u wasted ur time. Just b patient n stay positive

[@Underachiever_Files]

I feel you, brother.

[@ED-pc2kq]

I hope you'll have an unexpectedly good outcome for yourself.

[@JD-kf2ki]

What? 23 years old but already hold a Master’s plus 3 years experience 🤔. Either you are a genius or you have no idea what you’re talking about.

[@AnnMitt]

My 23 yr old son is currently going through this bs. Something is seriously wrong. Very wrong.

[@CC-br9qg]

24 year old woman, never got an entry level job out of college. I feel left behind and I want to give up. I’m lucky I haven’t been kicked out of my parent’s house. Restaurant let me go in October. 3.95 GPA/tons of extracurriculars business major. Had an accounting job rescinded right at graduation in 2022. Anyone else out there like me? 😞 i feel so alone. Edit: I've been rejected from a ton of call center jobs, Amazon, CVS, UHAUL, Delta, American Airlines, Dave & Buster's, AppleBee's (even w. 7 years of hospitality experience), the list goes on. Jobs I have been rejected for get reposted allllll the time. There's a HubSpot job I got rejected after 3 rounds over 4 months last year keeps getting reposted every 8 weeks. Rejected from $12-15 an hour jobs too. It's brutal. Over 2,400 jobs applied to

[@AnnMitt]

@CC-br9qg There is something terribly wrong in America. The media and DC are outright lying to the public. These companies are not hiring because of... ??? My best advice to you is to apply for registration jobs in hospitals located near your home. Then, go back to school part-time to become a nurse or radiology tech or something else in medical. Look on the career page of local hospitals to see which field is in demand.

[@AnnMitt]

@@CC-br9qg the medical field is still hiring. Consider searching for jobs at your local hospitals.

[@CC-br9qg]

I live in an area where despite the gaping need for healthcare workers, young people have to boosted to work in hospitals. I am not risking my health especially given my low risk status. They have cut out willing and hard working young people solely based on this and it's wrong. I would have gladly worked in a position in healthcare @@AnnMitt

[@thefirstgenesis4280]

@@CC-br9qg AnnMitt is right. Consider working in the medical field as a medical assistant, assistant nurse, home health aid, or hospital administration and move up from there. As more Baby Boomers retire and grow old, personal health aid and assistance will be in high demand. Call centers are the worst as they have been outsourced to India. Same as IT, tech, and engineering jobs. Stay away from the worthless job posting sites like LinkedIn, Indeed, and others. As you are still young, consider other possible paths including private tutoring, working in AI or robotics, fixing heating or air conditioning systems, or doing some accounting especially during tax seasons when the gvmt steals our money. Because of the crappy economy right now, sometimes you will have to force yourself to work in something that does not fit to your degree or college education. Always go for the fields that are in high demand

[@MR_THINQ]

Well I’ve applied for over 600 jobs and I’m a Creative Director with over 30 years international design industry experience - I’ve won 2 innovation awards and 6 design awards and worked with Apple and most of the top 100 blue chip brands - and I can’t get a job! So what am I doing? I’m creating my own international creative design agency and will be targeting those agencies I’ve applied for jobs to and am going after all their clients.

[@gordonoboh833]

I'm here for this

[@destrobe4290]

Bro’s out for blood 😭 Seriously best of luck to you though.

[@SonnyWest87]

Yea at 30 yrs you should’ve already have started an agency. Whats stopped you. Theres a 20 yr old who started one already. It’s not about experience it’s about desire and courage. You got this.

[@rogers5622]

Great idea ! 😁

[@ChiefWombatCuddler]

Posting to see if bro's revenge arc will pan out

[@maverickmace9100]

I was having the same issue. I have applied for over 1000 jobs this year. I'm new to the industry and was running into the 'experience' hurdle. I finally got my first offer this week. 🥳

[@meisterlymanu5214]

honestly, stay in the job for a few years if u can, learn, be nice, absorb, and then set up by yourself. You wont regret it. Pay yourself what u feel youre worth. Youll be wealthier, happier and by the time youre 45, you can work when you want. i love working 3 hours a day from home, in the sunshine, and still getting a full time income.

[@calistafalcontail]

Jesus Christ! I am not american and I would take 999 rejections or non answers very badly...like at some point I would become delulu and think its personal. Congrats though.

[@rebekahfunches6876]

Hope you enjoy the work, people and overall experience because if not then the ROI is quite low. Hoping for the best for you!

[@lopsy80]

He talked about internship a lot as if those are easy to get, even internships are non existing!!!

[@warweasel2832]

Even in "High demand" (the bullshit claim our uni job search center told us in the MANDATORY job-search class that was basically just gaslighting us into sticking with our plan to graduate into a shit market) fields like engineering, it's become near impossible to get an internship without already knowing someone. It's not what you know, it's who you know (ie nepotism)

[@tic857]

Had to make my own internship. I overhead a grad saying that he was struggling to do the things he was doing and wish he had help but didn't have the funding to hire. I found him on the website read his little blurb and emailed him asking if he needed help. Told him I am willing to take college credit and if he could make up a "job title" that I could use on a resume. Worked and from there I was able to get a few more because my name was I the graduate circle or I learned about others projects so i would hop around. Once out of college I didn't specify that those were internships unless i was asked. I framed them as an actual job with job duties. There "experience"

[@candlestyx8517]

@@warweasel2832 Nepotism with a dash of diversity hiring practices

[@kylehanley6318]

I applied to over a 1000internships as a CS major, not just software engineering either. All interviews ended in ghosting. Graduated and zero responses after 100s of apps, I can’t even get a normal office job. So I’m about to start applying to Burger King type jobs with a CS degree and 10s of thousands in debt. Shithole country

[@lopsy80]

@@kylehanley6318 hang in there, just remember you’re not alone in this, perseverance always pays off. Sending good vibes you way 🙌🏾

[@blktauna]

I stopped looking 2 years ago. Over 3 years I targeted 3 specific job areas as I have several years of experience in those areas, 4 tailored resumes, tailored cover letters, and after more than 1500 applications, I got 5 interviews and no offers. I feel for these kids.

[@CC-br9qg]

24 year old woman, never got an entry level job out of college. I feel left behind and I want to give up. I’m lucky I haven’t been kicked out of my parent’s house. Restaurant let me go in October. 3.95 GPA/tons of extracurriculars business major. Had an accounting job rescinded right at graduation in 2022. Anyone else out there like me? 😞 i feel so alone. Edit: I've been rejected from a ton of call center jobs, Amazon, CVS, UHAUL, Delta, American Airlines, Dave & Buster's, AppleBee's (even w. 7 years of hospitality experience), the list goes on. Jobs I have been rejected for get reposted allllll the time. There's a HubSpot job I got rejected after 3 rounds over 4 months last year keeps getting reposted every 8 weeks. Rejected from $12-15 an hour jobs too. It's brutal. Over 2,400 jobs since I graduated college

[@AirConditioner402]

What do you do these days if you don't mind me asking?

[@blktauna]

@@AirConditioner402 I am lucky enough to be able to retire early.

[@MissTShompagne]

Yes...I stopped my last interviews last year November 2023 after I went on 2 interviews at 2 different hospitals gave references and was ghosted by both. Never again! I'm done. I get jobs faster by working with temp agencies, contract to permanent. No interview processes.

[@1queijocas]

@@MissTShompagneyes, agencies are so much better

[@Illustrator76]

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this 35-round interview process mess. It's ridiculous and unnecessary. I know for a fact that at least one of the Big 3 automotive companies that hires white collar positions literally has ONE interview after the initial talent acquisitions call, and then you're either offered or you're not. That's how it should go. You're applying for a JOB, you're not getting married or buying a company. This is all Google's fault. They started this 35-round interview mess, and now all of these bootleg companies think they're Google and try to emulate them. It's a major waste of time/resources, and completely unnecessary unless you're applying for an extremely high ranking position in the company (e.g. CFO, CTO, etc...). Everything about this current job market is absolutely broken.

[@Kimberly_Sparkles]

Google doesn't do a ton of interviews though. There are 3 interviews to get you approved as a candidate in the system. After that, you do interviews for roles. For an admin that might be 2-3. If those folks don't choose you, you will repeat that process for each open role. So if it took 35 interviews to get hired at Google, that might represent having been in consideration for 5-7+ roles, depending on how senior.

[@Illustrator76]

@@Kimberly_SparklesWhen I say 35 rounds I'm obviously not meaning that "literally." Even 4 rounds is entirely too much. I have yet to see a company that has less than 4 rounds of interviews. This is how it goes in the current job market if you're LUCKY: Round 1: Talent Acquisitions (Sorry, but yes, I consider a 30-45 minute conversation a "round") Round 2: Hiring Manager Round 3: Panel Interview Round 4: Director, or Hiring Manager's Manager, or Hiring Manager's Manager's Manager

[@jameswhite3415]

​@Illustrator76 Panel interview? What are you applying for? Even with a pro license I would only have to do a panel for gov jobs

[@Illustrator76]

@@jameswhite3415He mentioned that in this video, lol. I know for sure that any job in the tech space does these. So, creative design, development, IT, engineering, project management, etc... They all do panel interviews with a few of the people on your team/your would-be "peers."

[@Omegeddon]

Anything more than 2 rounds is a waste of everyone's time

[@easyfnmoney]

"A life after a layoff" is starting to look like me living under a bridge, burning my Amazon certifications to stay warn.

[@twitchyrats5252]

Are you my long lost twin or something? I have AWS certs too, but now I'm homeless.

[@prismbrandingrealestatebra6301]

I have the three highest google cloud certificates and had to settle for a helpdesk job. I applied Google cloud platform jobs in 2020 and they were asking for ten years experience; GCP came out in 2013 (seven years old).

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

@@prismbrandingrealestatebra6301 I’ve seen that sort of stuff so often, asking for more years of experience than the thing has been out. I’ve seen like two cases where the people who CREATED the program get rejected for not having enough experience in said program, despite the applications also listing more years in experience than the age of the program. It’s crazy enough that I’ve seen that once, but twice is just hilarious. Both devs, two separate occasions.

[@Whoville814]

Yeah certs don't really help that much. Experience is what most companies look for. Your best bet is to find an over seas company from India that will teach you while on the job. Most IT work is being done by them in the background. Some of the largest companies in the world outsource their entire it department to India.

[@djpickleballplayer]

Well, yes certificates can only get you an entry level job. That’s normal. Once you get that entry level experience you can move up. ​@@prismbrandingrealestatebra6301

[@joro7304]

I've been applying since March. Graduated college with 3.95 GPA and already sent over 500 application. So far all I got was rejection, ghosting, and lies from the employers. I even agreed to work for $16/hour, but still didn't get an offer. This morning I opened up my e-mail and started my day with seven fresh rejections from different companies. Never felt so crushed and infuriated in my life before. Edit: To the guy below who commented to get a real degree, I got a Bachelor in Accounting & Finance and that is a real degree. I didn't major in psychology or political science. I had to edit my comment because for some weird reason my previous response got deleted.

[@Emboarisk]

I wish you the best of luck in finding a job however you go about it. If nothing else, might be best to make a company with scrapings of another job.

[@K-NEL]

Same.. literally same

[@lanl2qz]

You're competing with Ph.D's with 4+ years of industry experience for entry level jobs

[@Necromediancer]

@@lanl2qz and no one with a PhD is getting those jobs cause the companies say they're "overqualified"

[@bossu2005]

How about the rejection emails that are sent at 3am or the ones that come in 15 minutes after you apply OR the ones that come in NINE MONTHS after you applied!!!!

[@nic6670]

The job market is really sad considering the cost of everything is going up, and wages remain stagnant

[@richardscathouse]

Amen

[@Chihirolee3]

Or depreciating. I'm in the welding sector. Wages have depreciated over 30% in the past decade.

[@lucianaromulus1408]

​@@Chihirolee3exactly, wages haven't ACTUALLY gone up since the 70s. Between inflation and price gouging in most areas of life, things have just been going downhill and its gotten most notable in the last few years.

[@starboy-max7437]

Yeaa the US is just trying to use their cannon fodder

[@tiredoftheworld4834]

@@Chihirolee3right. My mom’s RN wages turned into a salary. Now she’s working a part time job

[@cashflowinvestor23]

Finally landed a manager position at Amazon. Thank God. I really lucked out with their base salary (about $62k), company stock and 4 days on 3 days off schedule. Took about 9 months from when I lost my good paying corporate gig at Wells Fargo. Absolute insanity in the job market.

[@kekef3620]

Congrats!

[@UserName-ts3sp]

that’s what im looking for out of college. im doing an internship there this summer. i have a big leg-up because i work there as a college student.

[@Techysophie]

Congratulations 👏👏👏👏👏

[@Invertmini1212]

Goodluck, Amazon lays off people regularly so they don't have to pay more for promotions regardless how goof you are at your job... Its easier to fire and replace than pay someone more. I have multiple friends after 1 year that are highly qualified be let go..

[@Tamar-sz8ox]

Best wishes !

[@jaysphilosophy1951]

This all goes back to the fact that the U.S. doesn't make it's own products anymore and has way too many people going to college. The U.S, has outsourced most manufacturing to other countries. And it was all done by a few billionaires who realized they could make even more.

[@censoredeveryday3320]

This is the best comment here and the brutal truth. I used to work for an MSP and we farmed out all the technical work to India and Mexico.

[@thethan3]

This is incorrect, its a standard doom loop in economics with any ponzi scheme. Anytime the economic cycle stalls there's massive unrest and upheaval. China made it cheaper to consolidate the supply chain to a few single points of failure. First thing you do with a resilient system is make it brittle, then bring it to crisis so it fractures under the pressure. People have been saying this for decades but all the corrupt people involved still got their way.

[@mcmans.]

NAFTA "The Giant Sucking Sound Going South" Was Millennials and Gen Z Jobs Gone To Other Countries.

[@warweasel2832]

As soon as companies started feeling the hurt of the covid recession, they cut their "bullshit jobs" that keep unemployment low. The mask slipped off and smashed into a million pieces on the ground. We're seeing what a "SeRvIcE BaSeD EcOnOmY" gets us in the age of tech.

[@lorib5398]

you do realize that we are trying to onsure manufacturing don't you? the population has been crashing in all the countries we outsourced to so now that we have all the millennials that can work supposedly they want to bring the manufacturing to where the labor is. and don't forget about Mexico there are a lot of young people in Mexico more so than here in the US so combined that is a very big labor force. you guys just don't want to work in manufacturing.

[@shanehunt3019]

Wanna know the best part? I dropped out of college with only 5k debt and now getting paid working 19.45 in a logistics position. Saved 3k for a medical coding certification course, and well on my way to grabbing a job in the range of 50K per year with lots of upward mobility. College is a JOKE. Who you know is far better than what you're qualified for. The American way of a handshake and a degree to get you in the door is dead.

[@chrisobber5604]

A problem all over the world. I have a Masters in maths and I'm now a Software Developer. A colleague of mine started working there 5 years before me directly after school. No degree, nothing. Earns more than me. So much time wasted for me. Sad.

[@dylanattix2765]

@shanehunt3019 I stopped my education at a Bachelor's for this reason. Building connections, taking advantage of desperate employers and then discarding them once they stop being useful, and Building my skills etc have taken me far. I now make 70k a year and I'm *still* building up and improving myself.

[@CyrilCommando]

That's called "getting lucky"

[@Solflaria]

@@shanehunt3019 I’m going to trade school after highschool, I took TCD on auto repair, and I’m going to trade school to gain more automotive repair just to get a job quicker with skills that I put on my resume. I applied to Macdonald’s an entry level job. And I got a first interview and I’m awaiting my “second” with the hiring manager.

[@Jaegerrants]

​@@CyrilCommandoGeting lucky is part of it, another part is nlt wasting time. As some one who does recryiting I see bachelors or masters aplying for manufacturing position an high school equivalent trade would do, I start suspecting hiw long they want to do that job, so I'll rather hire the young guy straight from school than the bacheloreven if they would have studied the same field, the ones with different field go to rejected pile really fast if they don't come with working experience.

[@amelaine82]

I went through 4 interviews and then was ghosted. The position is still up a month later. These companies are not helping themselves by treating people this way

[@Krlowanigu-mg6eg]

They are not searching. They are only scanning the market!

[@DakotaFord592]

Taco Bell is hiring immediately.

[@thethan3]

In most cases, these aren't real companies. They are either recruiters, or they are fraudulent companies. Most fail a basis sec of state lookup, or have red flags in their filings/website etc (primary on-premise location UPS store?), all it does is add cost on the person least able to bear the cost (finite time).

[@chriskoschik391]

This might be hard to hear, but I’ve noticed that MANY of these recruiters are women in their early to mid 20’s and treat candidates like they treat the modern dating scene. There are parallels!

[@thethan3]

@@chriskoschik391 No valid or sufficiently supportable basis can come from that observation. There is a lot of interference regardless of targeting women, or the dating scene, and this contributes to that. There is no benefit in singling out gender of a small cohort that may not even exist in reality. The only benefit that kind of observation results in is critical theory based attacks, meant to induce disunity between gender relations. It is without any kind of rational basis, and inherently subversive. Don't add to the noise unless you want to be outed as a deceitful or malevolent person.

[@Latanyanhall]

I work in one of the top pharma companies and I've noticed over time; these companies are hiring from within. The reasons they are hiring within is due to minimal training, salary does not change much based on the position's grade. A Director left our organization and found a position outside of the company. It took her two (2) years to find her new position. I fear for myself and the younger generation seeking employment.

[@riomio7852]

Lol, ill stick to living off of unemployment.

[@TLJAWSIMIB]

WHY!?.

[@htwingnut]

JOB MARKET IS BROKEN! I'm old. I'm "Gen X". I have over 20 years of experience as an engineer. Just prior to covid I took a leave of absence because of new mgt in our company that after laying off half our salaried staff wanted to relocate me to a facility that was 90 minute one way commute. I'm a single dad with two grade school kids. Not gonna happen. I decided to pivot to IT, but couldn't really get going on any certs until after COVID because I basically had to homeschool my kids for nearly two years. Finally got my certs, started looking for work for the last year, and can't find anything. Nothing. I target specific companies, write CL's, make phone calls, even drop by locations asking if they're hiring and nothing.

[@LensForgotten]

GenX here too. We have ageism to deal with as well. If you’re over 45 you might not want to put dates on your resume and leave out anything after 15 years ago.

[@JohnDorian-j7x]

How about you try pulling yourself up by the bootstraps. Kids these days... think they deserve things like "jobs" and that employers are at their beck and call to serve them $70k/yr jobs like candy. I hate to break it to you sweety, but we live in a society. Bunch of pampered commies these days, is everyone afraid to "work" nowadays?!

[@Demonstrait]

Sell IT services as a contractor IT hiring is dead due to companies not having dedicated large IT departments

[@htwingnut]

@@LensForgotten Thanks. Yeah, I removed all dates and just put years of service for each company. Except many online applications require start dates and end dates, unfortunately.

[@htwingnut]

@@Demonstrait Yeah, I'm leaning that route now. Hopefully I can make enough to scrape by for the next few years. About ready to sell my house and live off those funds if I can't find something soon. Never thought in a million years I'd be in this situation.

[@ghostwolves666]

I've hit around 1200 applications and had two interviews that went nowhere. I did not get internships when I was in college because I didn't know they existed. Nobody told me they were pretty much required now for your first job (not my advisor, parents or friends). I have tried to get an internship post-grad but every single time I get told they are reserved for students only. I'm at the point where I think it's literally impossible for me to get a job because of my "lack of experience" and a refusal to give me that experience because I missed one step that my college failed to alert me on.

[@raghatz]

Companies now don't really consider internship as experience

[@neochris2]

Same story here

[@JamesVestal-dz5qm]

I fell for that trap too. I lived at my parents house and didn't work an internship when I was in college.

[@nathank556]

Wait until you actually do get an internship, work for free for months and months, then some smug hiring manager tells you that "unpaid work isn't considered experience."

[@JamesVestal-dz5qm]

@@nathank556 in economics, money is a symbol of value. So, according to economics a person who works for free does not have value.

[@filiarage9587]

Honestly, I don't know what you're going about with internships. I've tried to get internships, and they have all rejected me despite me going to school for IT. I don't have the benefits of nepotism. My friends aren't in the field, I hardly have family, much less family that can even try to get me an entry level job somewhere. The first job is so needlessly hard that this job market system needs to be burnt down.

[@lana-jg4ho]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@nicholaspetitt]

I got an internship by pure dumb luck after applying for full time jobs and essentially asking if I could work there part time to get experience and they said yes. After that, it took me about 8 months to find a full time job after which I was laid off about 3 years later. I also have an IT degree + certifications with an ending title of an IT Systems analyst. I'm back on the 2nd job search again. Have had interviews, no offers. It's brutal out there. Send out resumes every day. Interview prep. Study for certs. It's bad out there right now and won't get better until interest rates drop.

[@JoeHeine]

This isn’t just a “Gen-Z” problem.

[@Ravi50237]

Vote Biden y’all He imported 1.5 million foreign students in 2023, endless H1B and L work visas. This mother fucker is soo corrupt, supplying these cheap labor and letting colleges make millions on these students. Pouring in Illegal immigrants, sending 100’s of billions to foreign countries, this country is fucked. All that matters to these women is their abortion rights. Fuck Biden

[@circleinforthecube5170]

yeah, but its worst for gen z, other generations had jobs, we never got the chance

[@AnonYmous-mw5lc]

this was an issue 20 years ago

[@JoeHeine]

@@circleinforthecube5170 it’s been shitty for decades, but granted it’s getting worse

[@arturogomez4381]

It's a USA problem.

[@yeager1957]

How to get a Job: "Just get an internship" How to get an Internship: *Shrug* I hate to tell you this dude but this is the opposite of helpful. It took me TWO YEARS of applying to find a internship and I only managed to find one because my dad called in a favor from a realestate firm he knows. Over 3.0 GPA, volunteer work, EVERYTHING and I couldn't find jack shit.

[@Omegeddon]

An internship is just a shitty job. All the same job market bullshit applies to them too

[@Gamerkat10]

Unfortunately yes, "knowing someone" is the only way in a lot of times.

[@tiredoftheworld4834]

@@keithparker1346we need more upheaval over this and making noise bc this is scary

[@Krlowanigu-mg6eg]

In a company i have worked for they were constantly looking for interns, none of them was hired. If you show intern in your cv it tells that you are ready to work for free! If possible target any job and search new one every day!

[@raltzei8120]

@@Gamerkat10 That's sad as hell

[@monkey6207]

There needs to be LAWS anyone who posts a job needs to follow, because the waste of time posts are ridiculous, leading us on endless circles that never result in anything. . . Any company posting a fake position shouldn't be tolerated, it should be illegal in this day and age.

[@bossu2005]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKqzd6OAnJ2qg7s

[@shizz_93]

He’s telling the truth about fake jobs or reposting them constantly. I guess it’s either data mining or the job is so terrible the employee quits within 1-2 months. We are in a terrible job market

[@lordfatcock]

I've seen people quit in 30 minutes. Lmao

[@thethan3]

There are a number of reasons for it. Its still evil but here are some of them. Primarily, it creates friction and interference in employee relations, this adds an arbitrary cost to hiring and searching making whoever provides a solution to removing this cost has a competitive advantage and can force others to carve off some money for themselves at the expense of everyone else (parasites). The only people that benefit are the people offing AI services to weed out applicants, head hunters, and nation states that have regime change in mind. The latter is well known, If people can't work they can't get food, which leads to violent unrest when they start starving. It also suppresses wages, but doing so below a certain point predictably leads to doom loops both in the birth rate and economically. We have a lot of blind evil people out there in positions they should not be in that are front-of-line blocking.

[@shadow7988]

A big reason companies do it is because of H1B immigrants. It's a scummy practice to post fake job postings, then tell the government you weren't able to hire any americans and get H1B clearance. This is why our tech sector got completely overtaken by Indians, btw.

[@imitationpitaya]

The company I work for has a department that loses someone about every other month, though it’s not always the newest person quitting/being let go. It bothers me how much a department vital to our operations churns so much but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@IzzyChopChop]

EVERYBODY, please report ghost jobs if you see them!!

[@ji-wonseong1623]

It's freaking hopeless. Graduated university, not one entry IT position available after FOUR MONTHS. Over 800 job applications so far and ONLY 3 LEGITIMATE CALLS related to real IT or CS. I'm stuck at the warehouse and MESSED UP my shoulders!! Where am I supposed to go!?

[@gregorylyon1004]

800 applications???? OMG. I would try another state and apply. You might have to move

[@Simoss13]

I got laid off last year as a senior application consultant. I applied for over 1200 jobs in 10 months and got an offer as a junior consultant paying 30% less than my previous job.

[@JohnDorian-j7x]

Just keep churning them out with at least effort as possible (just make sure your Resume/CV is top-notch and squared away)... I know it fknsucks, but just keep blasting them away. If you run into a generic job post that requires too many hoops/effort to apply (like reentering what's on your resume, lol, love that one), skip it! Just focus on mass applying to jobs that fit your specific actual field... and then just wait. Only other thing to do that will actually give you a decent chance of a response: reach out to your extended network! Your friends, your classmates, your professors, your parents, your extended family members, your church if you go there, etc. etc. And lastly, if the job is at least in the same area/field as you or adjacent with direct ties to your intended field... don't be afraid to accept jobs for lower or shyt pay (even if its somewhat insulting)... cause once you get in and can show your worth and work ethic, it becomes muuuuch easier to move around and into a new position that actually fits your field. And once you get that first real job, all the rest come much more easily (but still sucks, but not soul crushing, lol)

[@rolandjosef7961]

I feel for you. Pls read my comments.

[@erick_ftw]

Do you do any internships while in college?

[@Enkiaswad]

I am in software engineering with a master's degree and 6 years of solid experience (4 years in a startup and 2 years in a big corp). I've been told I can only get a junior salary or get told that "I am not technical enough" all the time. Even when you have experience they do everything to undermine you and low ball you.

[@Krlowanigu-mg6eg]

Any reason , if any, they give, is false. I was told i do not know the language that was required. The person who told me that had rudimentary level of the language. I am perfectly fluent. I laughed. At least i knew that was just an excuse.

[@DakotaFord592]

Taco Bell is hiring immediately.

[@Rexhunterj]

@@Krlowanigu-mg6eg In 2014 I was applying for jobs and found a posting that required the applicants to have 25+ years Java experience. The language wasn't even 20 then.

[@Tonyp3]

My issue is there are so many scam job postings and fake job postings.

[@Sunil_Chandurkar]

I am a Computer Programmer being rejected by Minimum Wage positions. And I have years of experience. Nothing's working out in this job market.

[@Rexhunterj]

We programmers/code monkeys are being replaced by cheap code-centers in China/India and the new machine-learning algorithms are basically writing whole sections of code for a smaller team to review. Our jobs are over, time to change skills and keep coding as a hobby sadly.

[@Kusagrass]

@@Rexhunterj First part is true, second part is a myth. A.I. is shit at programming and even the less tech savvy employers are finding it useless, my department stopped using AI within a week of the hype and went back to scrum. And I hear other departments did the exact same thing.

[@samjones9600]

Yes both AI and outsourcing don't work because they produce substandard results. With outsourcing you have the bait and switch and with AI you have the garbled nonsense.

[@Nlott2]

This is the beginning of the end of the US economy. There are more people that need jobs than there are full time jobs that pay a living wage.

[@richardscathouse]

Peak Capitolism. Should have paid more attention in econ201 😂

[@AnnMitt]

AI replacing HR jobs, engineering, IT...

[@jimba6486]

@@richardscathouseno. This is peak socialism. We haven’t been a capitalist country since 1913 (Fed reserve). Officially speaking. We became the socialist nightmare since 1929 (Herbert Hoover plagued us by setting the groundwork for con man FDR to continue his terrible economic policies and expand them aggressively , ushering us into this long progressive era. We never recovered from the disease that is progressive politics since 1933. The short of it, is that America is a socialist country for the rich and powerful. We don’t have “free markets” as we once did. The most important thing to pay attention to is how the government robbed this country of all it’s labor by inflating the price of gold, to eventually getting us off the gold standard. Until we have real money. Nothing in this economy will ever make sense. Don’t blame capitalism for what people do voluntarily from exchanges of goods and services. Blame this oppressive economic system created by the Federal government. I am not an anarchist, but know this, Capitalism exists without a government; socialism requires a government to have a monopoly on violence to achieve its end. Capitalism enables individuals to create their wealth. Socialism is a closed system for a few gate keepers to control the wealth of others. Don’t get hung up on the words, the elite of this country could care less what economic system they live in, as long as they get to rule over others and have more than the rest to feel like gods amongst mortals. Edit: To all the socialist who are triggard by math. I use to be a progressive who drank the kool aid. I got read up on the history of "America's Great Depression" by Murray Rothbard. Yall know not what you speak. I just told yall who didn't read what I wrote that we have socialist for corporations. You not bright to infer that we should have socialism for the poor. Socialism does not work for anybody. Stop playing your zero sum games. Your like crabs in a bucket. You see one con man who got one over on suckers and yall just envy the con man and say "why can't we just take from others like they do". You country is run by criminals. The lesson is not to become one yourselves. Lastly, don't kid yourselves about "democractic socialist countries". That fairy tale is the same lie you were sold about the unsustainable "american dream". You can't math a free lunch in any situation. Prove me wrong; go become a doctor and offer your services for free for the rest of your life. Show me the way. Show me the light. Go help out Canadians who have been waiting 5 months or more to get screened for cancer. Go live in your car as a doctor in canada for free give healthcare to canadians. I am waiting.

[@strongbad2016]

Migrants coming in 😅

[@thefirstgenesis4280]

@Nlott2 The worse part is that we haven't hit rock bottom yet. Once the hard part comes, all of us except for the top 1% are screwed. Trillions and trillions of dollars wasted on useless wars, giving money to other countries, worthless unproductive social programs, you name it. And now more of our money to illegals

[@louville314]

Turning in 1600 applications, wo any kind of success is disgusting in this country. These companies must be humbled.

[@thefirstgenesis4280]

It has been that way for many years ever since companies turned to the internet to find workers. Long gone are those days where you actually went to the job site and filled out a paper application for work. I miss those days

[@thethan3]

Well it will eventually happen. When the social contract breaks because of deceitful avaricious people, and the workers become homeless and starve, violent unrest is not far off. Food security is a major driving factor of civil war/revolution in all historical contexts.

[@NikosKatsikanis]

@@thethan3 reallest comment on here bruv, ill prob start podcasting this topic

[@neilrichardson7454]

​@@thethan3😂😂😂😂😂 your grandparents and parents saw and said the same shit the 60s, 70s and 80s. Don't worry, it will do nothing in the end

[@thethan3]

@@neilrichardson7454 You clearly have no clue what you are talking about, or worse are promoting this false narrative with an intention towards malign influence of others. It is destructive, and if you are blind to the consequences of promoting false ideology you likely are an evil person. Nothing further needs to be said. Social contract theory and general history has concrete examples about what happens to people who engage in these activities.

[@ladymay7789]

The job market is basically on life-support. Interviewing three to four times for a low-paying role is just UTTERLY RIDICULOUS. There were some days where I thought I would be interviewing with the cleaning crew. Recruiters in other countries who either spoke very little English or had extremely heavy accents were calling/emailing me regarding roles here in the metropolitan area that were either low-paying/short term or both. Those were the calls/emails I ignored.

[@Bonserak23]

A few years back I had to do 4 interviews for a dishwasher job at Red Lobster, they basically wanted me to say I plan on working there for the next 30 years. I was just looking for a part time dish job for extra money lol

[@pamgodsoe9076]

The market is broken. I have not had a call back since December. I am at the other end of my career, many years of experience

[@djtwister6997]

What career field are you in if I may ask?

[@pamgodsoe9076]

@@djtwister6997 electrical engineering, mostly design and construction of buildings

[@Omniryu]

I've been super critical of college, but dropping out is the worst thing you can do, unless you already have an "in" at a place. But please believe, even if you do, they WILL use not having a degree against you down the line.

[@brianred8]

I agree with what you are saying, but tech and trade schools is where it's at....

[@Omniryu]

@@brianred8 it was but right now, the talent pool in tech is overflowing. The problem with tech schools, is how many of them were scammy. But trades almost feel like a surefire bet these days.

[@stevenphillips3466]

Lie about having a degree.... Put a fake Diploma in your Resume if you have experience for the job .... IF its not fair out there , fight the fight

[@Omniryu]

@@stevenphillips3466 they can check that in a background check. If a degree is required, they WILL check. And when they can't find anything, they WILL ask you for proof. I almost missed out on my job because my school closed and they couldn't verify that I had a degree.

[@twitchyrats5252]

I had to drop out because I'm too poor to finish.

[@thomasanderson2551]

If a 20 year old from 1955 was transported to today, they would be homeless or suicidal very quickly. We didn't always have to deal with this. Not many years ago you could walk up to a construction site your uncle was working on, offer help, and you could have a home, multiple cars, and a family of four off that income (with great overtime pay). Our homogenous civilization and our wealth has been robbed from us through government spending and bad trade deals (which is evident with the debauched, inflated currency we use). This is what baby boomers left you with. Never forget it.

[@jemiller226]

Your first two sentences were spot on, and then you went full fash. Never go full fash.

[@jefesalsero]

The controlled demolition of the American economy.

[@fremontpathfinder8463]

Nope. There is a shortage in the trades right now. Electrician, plumbing, carpentry, aircraft mechanic are high paid union jobs. My next door neighbor works for Kaiser healthcare as a carpenter. He does computer guided and hands on carpentry. He just started a job for them which will take five years. So he has another several years of job security. Pivot. We also need Registered Vet Techncians and school districts need tech people.

[@fremontpathfinder8463]

Actually read the book, Generations. About half of all baby boomers never climbed a career ladder. This is not the fault of one generation.

[@jemiller226]

@@fremontpathfinder8463 If schools need tech people, why don't they pay like they need tech people? Educational IT is some of the worst part you'll ever see.

[@Archsinister]

It’s a rough market right now younger and older people in particular. As a younger millennial I feel so bad for gen Z because they have had it even worse than us

[@tomrotelli1355]

I'm a millennial and had this exact experience in 08. I ended up having to learn a trade and go independent. You are going to get used while learning the trades, however once you have the experience you can find employment easier.

[@mistermoo7602]

@@tomrotelli1355 Unfortunately, it might be time to start thinking about what to do once the trades too become over-saturated in the next couple years.

[@MetaPrometheus]

I was experiencing this poor guy's reality after college in 2009-10, again in 2015-16 and most recently 2023. Calling, filling and sending out applications, going to tours, going to interviews, talking to owners directly even! My parents couldn't understand it and I told them it's because you haven't had to be in the job market for over 40 years! You still think it's the f%$king 1970s/80s!!! It's brutal out here in the real world. Short term gains are prioritized over all else! If that requires shenanigans with hiring practices and employee retention or lack of retention, then that is what is being done in the name of profits! It's awful out here! And the lights haven't even gone out yet or a major food shortage or some other truly horrible scenario, and this is how cutthroat things already are!

[@The_McLaughlin]

Same, I graduated college in 2014. And looked for a job related to my degree for like a year and a half while working 2 retail jobs. The only interview I got turned out to not be what I thought I was intervewing for. It was similar to this kid where it was selling direct TV in Walmarts. And alot of companies just never reached out to you all. The only ones would would seem to schedule interviews were jobs not related to my degree at all. Finally took a full time security job, thinking I'd only be there another year maybe two while looking for a job. Ended up working there for 8 years before I just gave up looking for a job related to my degree. I last year decided to take an apprenticeship, which was a massive paycut, but overall decided that in the long run that company would be a much better job than my going nowhere security job. I still make less than I did but after finishing the apprenticeship I got bumped up in pay to only $4 an hour less than I made before and the benfits are way better than my security job ever was. Getting a degree was just a total waste of money. Biggest regret of my life. And my parents kept telling me to apply out of state. And I was. At one point my mom told me to just move without a job and then start applying there but I really didn't want to just fully move out with no job lined up and have same experience but in a different state without any people that I know or family to fall back on if I couldn't find a job.

[@kurticusmaximus]

The urgently hire thing is true in my experience. I was unemployed last year. I applied for a job that states urgently hired on indeed. I didn’t get the job. 4 months later when applying for jobs, I saw the exact same job, still saying urgently hiring.

[@Krlowanigu-mg6eg]

Sometimes but rarely it is really urgently but as you have noticed only if it is not repetitive "urgent" hiring. Just a pure luck.

[@Angry-Lynx]

Why they do that I wonder

[@vanillabeanlady]

I totally understand what this guy is going through. My fiancé has been unemployed most of the last 6 years after relocating. He’s probably applied to thousands of jobs, not even McDonald’s will call him back. They all say they’re urgently hiring and not hiring anyone. At this point he’s just started lying that he’s still employed out of desperation. Only company willing to hire him advertised an admin job but actually wanted a hard physical laborer….Even went to a government office to see if they would offer any assistance in finding a job, they told him to just have a baby to get benefits...Ok Florida.

[@gregorylyon1004]

What's the matter with you lady???? Why would you marry a bum like this??? Wake up. You can get a lot better man then this loser. Don't marry no bum

[@kurticusmaximus]

Move to a different state. I left Florida for a job in another state

[@NickOloteo]

Send him to an amazon warehouse. Great benefits. Had he done that at the start he’d be at 6 years tenured getting 4.2 weeks off paid a year and could be L4-6.

[@jtowensbyiii6018]

​@NickOloteo Amazon isn't hiring in most locations 😂 I live near 2 MASSIVE locations and that shit is a lie, I drive many of the managers home and it's a shit show

[@1queijocas]

Find a company that went bankrupt and list a work experience in that company. In this job market, we are forced to lie in order to survive and provide to our family

[@RicFF13]

The fact that this is happening world wide is crazy, I'm from Europe and it's the literal same over here. I've tried everything, from my area of studies (IT) to random jobs like supermarket in which I literally have emails telling me that i can't work at the supermarket because "I'm over qualified"...... Honestly I don't know wtf that means or what I'm supposed to do at this point.

[@bossu2005]

34 years of experience in IT... Laid off May 2023.... took ONE YEAR to get a job. Everything the College Guy in the video said is ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

[@ci6516]

@@bossu2005I have an internship as a network engineer . There’s plenty and plenty of jobs in niche fields that require some extra effort . Smart automation, cloud computing, security systems , 25% of network engineers are slated to retire in the US within 5 years .

[@ci6516]

@@bossu2005I have classmates and friends who’ve I’ve told for years now, “hey man learn cloud ! Learn some networking at home ! It’ll be way easier to get a job !” And they smirk and think IT is below them . That “ah nah I wanna do front end” . Yup ok Evryone wanna make websites that’s the issue I’m a cs major with a minor in mathematics. I’ve taken many electives . Done lots of studying at home . And it’s all paid off I’m not trying to be mean but I’m literally the students the guy the video are competing with . While he was just doing enough , I picked my major out of passion . And because of that I’ll have a job before I graduate

[@Corvusstorage]

You thy say that you are overqualified, dont show them your best qualification.

[@ritadere2287]

Listen: I had an internship and two different jobs worth of experience in my field. And I STILL can’t find work. I don’t think your logic on internship is 100% sound. It was maybe 10 years ago, but no one cares about it now. A lot of us who have those sort of experiences are struggling too….

[@kylehanley6318]

I applied to over 1000 internships as a CS major and didnt land one. Every interview ended in ghosting. Now graduated and can’t get any office job at all and I’m going to start applying to Burger King type jobs. I’m fucking done

[@ThatRatchetGothChick]

Internships???? Who the hell can work for free/almost free anymore? These employers need to get a grip on reality if they don't want protests happening soon (if they haven't already).

[@adamd9166]

They have a great grip on reality. They know that there are far more candidates than there are jobs, so they take full advantage of those candidates. They just better hope that the candidates don't remember that treatment if/when the pendulum swings back again.

[@cindymichel4870]

Who can work for free? The one who has worked in the past and saved up money. Who can live with parents while doing an internship. The one who has planned ahead and doesn't believe that a job will be magically waiting just because they have a degree. An internship isn't forever, it's 6 - 12 months.

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@cindymichel4870 PSA: If they're not paying you, then your internship is worth exactly that much.

[@Projekt1251Official]

Wait. Are you guys getting internships?

[@haute03]

@@cindymichel4870 Bold of you to assume that these students have the financial support to take on an unpaid internship.

[@mattl7854]

I've heard of companies using the hiring interview practical skills demonstration as a means of getting free work out of applicants. So, they let the applicant think they have a shot, give them a project to work on to demonstrate their skills (that just happens to be work they'd normally have to pay an employee for), then tell the candidate they weren't selected. Rinse and repeat for more free work. Not suggesting most or many companies do this, but it could be one reason that some employers keep reposting a position.

[@genx7006]

This is true. They do this. I went on one interview where the questions were TOO specific. One guy was feverishly writing notes as I gave my responses. They got their info, but I didn't get the job.

[@pedromarques9267]

The sad part is that a friend of mine spent over 2 weeks doing a take-home assignment to be rejected. If he was able to see that he was being tricked, he could have spent those weeks sending more CV and going to interviews. My golden rule is if it takes more than 7h then don't do it

[@skip2mylusantiago65]

They do this! The law states if you do a working interview that they have to pay you. Many ppl are desperate to get the job they will do it for free

[@jackcarraway4707]

​@@genx7006I would have lied or change a couple of small details to screw them over.

[@gregorylyon1004]

I think that a lot of these companies are selling your information to others on applications

[@coolgirl1744]

People shouldn't have to apply to 1000+ jobs in order to just get one fucking job. It's ridiculous. Who ever says that our generation doesn't want to work anymore is fucking bullshit.

[@davedsilva]

You are right. HR is having trouble coping with thousands of resumes now being sent by AI. Every year, 5M extra U.S. grads look for the jobs being taken over by automation and now AI. It's inevitable that the white collar employment sink is plugged. Kids used to learn how to barter cutting lawns and fixing house stuff for home owners because college was for rich kids to be hired as VP by their daddy. Fortunately Skilled trades is still in huge demand by manufacturers provided you don't look like a slacker.

[@VKJinja]

Not american. I've got my BA in economics from a great university. Summa cum laude, highest GPA of this major at our school of all time. It's been a year since I was laid off by a big 4 and I've had zero offers since then. I've lost all pride in my academic achievements, it's proved itself utterly meaningless. But still, we have to brave on...

[@emzywillrich7243]

Unfortunately, a BA is the new high school degree. My law degree is what's keeping me employed. Find out where the alumni of your great university are working and apply for jobs at their locations. You have to think outside the box today.

[@JohnDorian-j7x]

Similar story. Unfortunately, I learned a bit too late that GPA's mean very little to anything beyond a certain level (and is used more as a rough sieve to filter out certain applicants). The seemingly only thing that matters is one thing that is extremely hard to change: personality

[@CC-br9qg]

24 year old woman, never got an entry level job out of college. I feel left behind and I want to give up. I’m lucky I haven’t been kicked out of my parent’s house. Restaurant let me go in October. 3.95 GPA Summa Cum Laude/tons of extracurriculars business major. Had an accounting job rescinded right at graduation in 2022. Anyone else out there like me? 😞 i feel so alone. Edit: I've been rejected from a ton of call center jobs, Amazon, CVS, UHAUL, Delta, American Airlines, Dave & Buster's, AppleBee's (even w. 7 years of hospitality experience), the list goes on. Jobs I have been rejected for get reposted allllll the time. There's a HubSpot job I got rejected after 3 rounds over 4 months last year keeps getting reposted every 8 weeks. Rejected from $12-15 an hour jobs too. It's brutal. Over 2,400 jobs applied to

[@romaniangod5649]

gpa doesn't mean anything anymore

[@thebestcentaur]

​@@emzywillrich7243 well said. One of the main reasons I believe I secured my position is because I was able to head straight to grad school. Combine that with no less than 7 separate internships (including a field study and two unpaid endeavors), and I would hope I was a standout candidate. Mind you, I bypassed Corporate America entirely, so that may have something to do with it as well...

[@chm9935]

Gen Xer here---job market been broken since the 08 financial panic. Thank you ghost jobs : (

[@beneficent2557]

Thank you for not hating on us younger folks😢

[@chm9935]

@@beneficent2557 yw

[@drivethrupoet]

I have gotten interviewed for "ghost" jobs. They're still posted out there 6 months later - but they update them so no one can tell how old they are. I have also been one of those throw-away interviews when they already have an internal candidate that's been decided on but HR requires a minimum number of external interviews. So since I have a Fortune 500 on my resume, they're just curious to talk to me. I'd say that's been at least 20 out of 50 total interviews. The issue with my area is that the jobs are remote or hybrid in all cases. So, I've been competing with the entire USA and then some.

[@marikothecheetah9342]

Ah, internals requiring the facade of external hiring process.... I know it too well. :/ Unfortunately - nothing you can do. Just ignore it and move on. I wish you best luck. oh and learn at leas one foreign language well. in the U.S. this is still a big thing, so use it to your advantage.

[@bossu2005]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKqzd6OAnJ2qg7s

[@layneurquhart9098]

I became a surgical technologist and it took me 4 months to land a job The experience thing is the biggest slap in the face because as we all have seen you can’t get experience if no one gives you a chance

[@ShowtimeDr]

A lot of these "Employment opportunities" and just people farming personal information. They know they can literally ask the candidate most of the information that they would normally keep private.

[@Solaxer]

Went to a nice school, got my degree. Worked a job post grad, was a top performer for the year I stayed. Left, now approaching 10 months unemployed, 1,000+ applications. Spoken with multiple career coaches, tailored specific resumes, a cover letter for each job, coffee chats, called companies, emailed countless people, nothing. Tore through all my savings and now searching for a minimum wage job that won’t even pay my bills. Something is *very* wrong.

[@cindymichel4870]

Not sure why you left but it's best to have a job lined up before you quit. It can even be a leveraging tool, saying to your boss, "I like my job here, but XYZ company is willing to hire me at $10,000 more a year."

[@Solaxer]

@@cindymichel4870 I'm aware, but I had to move and remote wasn't an option

[@Hdhfhhdh]

Who did you Vote for ?

[@quanita7116]

Hopefully you won't have to move again! If I lost my job now I think I would have to move because I'm I'm in a small town and the largest city closest to us is a small city mainly govt employment. I have worked for the govt but most have horrible pay nowhere near market, poverty levels especially with the rising inflation. Out of desperation I would go back to the gov't job but I would hate it.

[@Invertmini1212]

Welcome to the real world... Just because you went to school doesn't mean you're qualified and have actual skills...

[@dylanbrown3090]

I lost my job about 3 weeks ago, applied to 60+ jobs, and put out an "available for work" announcement on a job portal. Emailed and called some companies directly, asked several of my old co workers if they know of any job openings or if they can put in some recommendations for me. I've gotten 4 interviews, 2 of those interviews lasted less than a minute as they quickly decided I was not the candidate they wanted. The other 2 I felt went well but I haven't heard anything back from either company since. For anyone wondering I've been applying to CAD Drafter positions, as that relates to my degree and is what I have experience in. Also, one problem I'm seeing is that they want 5+ years of experience in every single program they use, but only offering entry level wages.

[@thethan3]

That's why they layed everyone off on tandem. To break the wage market. They don't realize that they are running up against fundamental boundaries required by the social contract. You need to be able to make sufficient wages to cover expenses for yourself, a wife, and three children in order to plan to have children. We currently are at levels where many people are now homeless and food stamps gets you 1.5 weeks of food for the month. No ones paying attention because there is so much noise they can't see or recognize anything or take any action. This situation is purposeful.

[@DromainLoreRose]

Man knows how to cover for corp daddy well. "First job is always the hardest" Bullshit take with no respect for what is going on in the US ATM. Absurdity number of people not being able to get work even when its not there first job and they have a vary good work history. Its not just "They first jobs".

[@StephenSalaka]

It's the market. 3,000 applications (customized), 1,500 networking emails, tons of discussions but only 4 tepid initial discussions. Resumes rewritten, LinkedIn rewritten. In 2020 - 50 resumes and 8 interviews. 2024 - this is crazy. {And before you shout about not targeting - June 2023 to now is almost 12 months. Thats about 250 apps a month, 60 a week, or 10 a day - yes it's a full time job customizing apps and networking - but it's where these numbers come from}

[@drivethrupoet]

How old are you? I'm 48 and I'm sensing rampant age discrimination. My observation is that boomers are not retiring, they're still execs and now laying off GenX (like me) who are more expensive to provide insurance for, not to mention competition for their own jobs - and the millennials only want to work with other millennials because anyone older is an oppressor, lol.

[@StephenSalaka]

@@drivethrupoet 45, but the CV is crafted to showcase only the past 10 years, and doesn't have any dates on the education section, so don' think that's an issue.

[@censoredeveryday3320]

I said to hell with it and have been training to get my CDL. I'm being paid to do it.

[@bossu2005]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKqzd6OAnJ2qg7s

[@DovidM]

Job fairs are low yield propositions for job seekers. Some companies participate because it makes them more visible within the field. Others just want to get a feel for how many Citrix administrators are in that job market.

[@jpm8288]

I just want to say that if you look at the most recent jobs report you will notice that there is a decrease in full time employment positions, and a massive increase in part-time and short-term contract positions. So when the news says there are lots of jobs out there they are correct. But these are bottom of the barrel jobs that won't pay your bills.

[@KP99]

It's so annoying that this is never mentioned. The media is so desperate to hide info on how bad the job market is. Most of the new jobs are is Hospitality, like maids at hotels.

[@haute03]

So true. The rise of the gig economy is very real and it's inflating those numbers.

[@urip_zukoharjo]

Finally someone says it, the news cover isn't exhaustive, it should've been "the rise in shitty pay job market"

[@KP99]

My reply to you was deleted. I mentioned even more stats that support your point. So YTube is trying to hide info just like you say the news is. Ah, the irony

[@phonyalias7574]

This has been the trend for 16 years though, and yes it's constantly just getting a little bit worse. After the 2008 recession everything went to temp/part time, fewer benefits, much lower pay, and more. Maybe we just finally hit another tipping point?

[@Wolfen5207]

I’m nearly 25 and I almost never get a response back when I apply somewhere. I got lucky with my current job as a driver for domino’s because my brother was working with them. He introduced me and I was given the job after the first interview, didn’t even need to show them my resume. It was a breath of fresh air to not have to wait to get any kind of response. There was one time I applied to a position online, and I get a response back after over a year had passed and I had already moved to a different city. This is ridiculous.

[@YvoneVonTrix]

I applied for a job in January and received a rejection response in June after i got a job lol. And we talk about Europe here, where the job market crisis is also here, maybe not to this degree as in US but it's not long before it will happen..

[@mattevans1643]

You had to get the family hook up for Domino's? I get a response everytime I apply somewhere. They talk about salary and stuff, location, and then tell me about the next steps, and that's when I ghost them. You ain't paying me less then I already work to work more. Currently only work 4 days a week. $21 an hour. Why the hell would i want to work for less, more days of the week? Also I got 3 days of the week to play with, so that seconds Job is much easier to work with.

[@kkcuzz]

Had a 2 year internship. Over 1000 successful call on help desk. Can't get a help desk job for nothing.

[@quanita7116]

That's way too long and not to have a guaranteed job at the end. I hope you stayed that long only if it was a paid internship. Most internships span only about 2 to 6 months.

[@jon6309]

He should have taken the job at Costco selling cell phones for $41k and kept looking while he was working. It’s true that work experience is key and a business degree is not very impressive at all. I majored in Business-Finance and even did internships but still started off as a bank teller after college. From there, I applied to other positions within banks and no longer stayed in an entry level position. I know a guy who is doing really well in mortgage and he started of working at T-Mobile selling cell phones.

[@kenchu5900]

Very good point. If I could add sales experience on my resume, I would do it. After all these years, I realize that being a salesperson is one of the toughest jobs out there. The truth is that for every one contract signed, you could end up with 99 rejects. So mentally you must stay very tough to stay in the business.

[@Gottathinkaboutit]

Was reading through comments to see if anyone had the same thought

[@mbotentoto5162]

Exactly, he will build experience to add to his resume. He too good to sell cellphones i guess. Idk man these dudes on social media cringe af.

[@Abdur-Rahman862]

@@mbotentoto5162 It's the way Gen Z has been conditioned by their parents.

[@Gamerkat10]

Strong agree. Costco provides benefits; you shouldn't knock that. He's probably living with parents and still on their insurance.

[@HotepSaoirse]

4 interviews for minimum wage jobs? Seems like they're probing how desperate he is to get the job. The biggest scam that any degree is a good degree is still going on by the Karens in HR. And they wonder why millennials and are going into "the trades" on top of us no longer caring about what prestige a job has since the only purpose of a job is to do the things you and pay for expenses we can't avoid. Don't get me started on employers only hiring experienced people for entry level positions. Those are desperation jobs. If there was really a hot job market we wouldn't be seeing tiktoks like this.

[@Kimberly_Sparkles]

My dad is a pipefitter. Going into the trades without an in at the union for the skill trade you are wanting to work in is equally suicide. Union jobs are the well paid ones. Otherwise, migrants are actually doing a lot of the trades work at nonunion sites in NYC at a fraction of the cost. I imagine that will spread. Without guild/union membership for the trades, you might as well queue up at home depot for a job in general contracting as a laborer.

[@IsastheWolf]

The job market is actually broken, I’m a bachelor degree graduate in Animal sciences with Pre-med and during my college years, I did 2 years of internships in working in small clinics. After I graduated, I thought I was going to get a job right away. Nope, I actively search for work for 2 years!!!!! I’ve had multiple interviews and still didn’t get hired. At that point I was feeling hopeless, and even worse, useless, even with my 2 years of working experience. One day my father (a mechanic engineer) was talking to his friend (also a mechanic engineer) and they were just chatting in random until they were talking about us kids. My dad’s friend mentioned how his kids small clinic can’t find anyone to hire and my dad mentioned that I am still actively looking for work, from there my dad told me if I was interested and I said yes. Turns out I got hired through the method of networking from people whose careers are nowhere near the Medical field vs Aerospace engineers. So when I went to the location to look around before I started working, it turns out it was the same location that I was originally rejected from!!!

[@marcogarcia5441]

Nepotism

[@glow1815]

Connection is everything 90% of the time

[@_Nay_Nay]

I feel it man. I have over 10 years of experience, I have a resume that was thoroughly screened by recruiters. And I have a lot of my work on my portfolio. Yet out of 600 applications I have had two interviews. Here's hoping those work out otherwise I'm screwed.

[@solivoid]

That should be considered false advertisement, companies should be punished for doing that

[@sjc5411]

When I was attending USC for business administration I was told the school was not training me for a job, but giving a foundation to be trained to do a job by the company that hires me. I have yet to see a company hire someone with the intention of training them first to do said job. Needless to say getting a job after graduation was f*ckin miserable ☠️ . Companies asking for 4-5 years of experience from recent grads...

[@KP99]

This concept was never explained to me when I was in college and it took me many years after graduating before I realized it. I wish someone had told me like they told you. I would've approached my career and job searching much differently if I had known.

[@rustinshamloo5557]

Fight On bro

[@MissTShompagne]

I got a degree in Business Administration and its only good for holding up the wall with a nail in a picture frame and I still owe over $50k.

[@sjc5411]

@@MissTShompagne lol. Pretty much. You got out with less debt than me. Good job on that.

[@MissTShompagne]

@sjc5411 It was 75k. I got it down to 50k which is what I now owe. And...the Univeristy that I attended online went out of business in 2020. 😡 I did not even know until I tried to make a payment in 2020.

[@F15EX_EagleII]

19:16 A lot of universities now (at least for engineering, I can't speak for the rest) simply will not let you graduate without some form of experience (internship, co-op, research), even if you passed every major class.

[@brendaechols5929]

Some people have gone from well off, to middle class to poverty level, with degrees.

[@nickd2296]

It is just like online dating lol. The only difference is that you have to have a job to survive.

[@hombredepiedra1]

@@keithparker1346 loser

[@censoredeveryday3320]

@@keithparker1346 He's right though. Job searches are just like online dating.

[@stevenphillips3466]

Only the top 5 % matter

[@tiredoftheworld4834]

@@keithparker1346 I don’t use dating apps but why do you guys get so mad at women not being interested. Clearly we have guys that aren’t that interested in us and play games. We also have to put up with the risk of pregnancy, all of which, we get blamed for, or face the pain of abortion. Males don’t understand what it is to be a woman and don’t care to empathize I guess. My sister mocks me for being single, then the next thing you know a guy she was head over heels for, ready to “wife” HIM up, said he can’t get over his ex lol. Vies I’m the bitter cat lady who will “die alone” because I won’t lower my basic standards. And you’ll complain about it

[@tiredoftheworld4834]

@@keithparker1346 i just wish men like you admitted that you just hate women and only interact with them purely for lust. Maybe the pick me’s will wake up

[@simplyyunak3189]

Thank god that i live in germany. I sent 12 applications last year, 3 interviews, 3 job offers and i took the best paid one. The amercian market sounds awful

[@arisuneakku]

Please help get me out of here!!! 😭😭😭

[@rodrigo-tj1gf]

really ??? god damn, what do i have to do to live there ??

[@skendergjergji4262]

Just leave US , buy a one way ticket

[@gloverfox9135]

Must be nice when you don’t have to pay for defence and rely on big daddy USA

[@erikjohnson9075]

Lol I live in Germany as an American and the job market is pretty shit. Underpaid with extreme toxicity with bosses

[@noahknight4039]

Remember when it was one interview and a lot of the time they would offer the job right there on the spot? That’s how I got the job I’m at now. Interview was 5 minutes. Next day they were booking my flight and hotel for training for the following week. This 2nd round, 3rd, 4th and such sounds like a nightmare.

[@shadow7988]

I miss the simpler times. The human relationship is gone now and it's all just dispassionate bureaucracy and machines running you through filters where you don't even get to speak to a real person anymore unless your resume has all the right keywords. And when did boomers and gen X get together one day and collectively decide they were pulling the ladder up behind them and expecting everyone that follows them to meet all these absurd credential and experience requirements?

[@qudiva]

That's how it was for my job. I applied on indeed with an actual resume. They called 10 days later. Interviewed and I got an offer in 4 days. Later I found it's an old school kind of culture and I'm absolutely good with that. It's like stepping back into the 80's but we're allowed to wear business casual now.

[@michaeldalton8374]

HR justification of their positions. “Let’s play a game in this scenario…”

[@glow1815]

Yup never had 2 interview only one and I'm on board. This was 2021 still. And all of my ex jobs prior.

[@TheSiriusEnigma]

Her is a tip. If you don’t have the job after the third interview, it’s over. The fourth is just to “keep you” in case their first and second choices don’t take the offer. Or to train; their HR people.

[@cashkitty3472]

When I got a grad job I spent the whole day doing an interview , scenarios, aptitude tests ...I got the job. My last job I had an interview with my old boss, HR and then my bosses boss.

[@jmhuene]

I had two summer internships with the same company and ended up being hired on the last day of my second summer for a full time role upon graduation. Experience matters and I absolutely agree with what you've said!

[@gameboy666666]

Wow that's insane! I live in UK. Never applied for more then 3 jobs at a time. Longest time I was without a job was 2-3weeks.

[@Auszie]

The difference existing in a civilized society makes. America is a corporation and operates accordingly at every level. We don't really have a society anymore, as The Heritage Foundation's neoliberalism intended. Everything to the top 10% and screw everybody else. You lot got off lightly with Thatcher. Reagan lives on and on and on here. What he began will soon be culminated with Project 2025 (by whichever republican gets the presidency next).

[@LaserBread]

Genuinely am going to be moving out of this shithole country

[@glow1815]

I'm in USA never applied more than 5 jobs get hired 2 weeks later. And never second interview either.

[@TheBenirons]

the issue is that the standard has moved from have a degree to harvard/oxford level of extracurricular activities for a basic, entry level, minimum wage job ... that is asinine why the hell was i born into this bloody messed up world

[@Mally_02]

I ask myself this question everyday.

[@BuildingMakingDoing]

I feel for this young man. I’ve been there too. He’s right…. This job market is a joke.

[@CC-br9qg]

24 year old woman, never got an entry level job out of college. I feel left behind and I want to give up. I’m lucky I haven’t been kicked out of my parent’s house. Restaurant let me go in October. 3.95 GPA Summa Cum Laude/tons of extracurriculars business major. Had an accounting job rescinded right at graduation in 2022. Anyone else out there like me? 😞 i feel so alone. Edit: I've been rejected from a ton of call center jobs, Amazon, CVS, UHAUL, Delta, American Airlines, Dave & Buster's, AppleBee's (even w. 7 years of hospitality experience), the list goes on. Jobs I have been rejected for get reposted allllll the time. There's a HubSpot job I got rejected after 3 rounds over 4 months last year keeps getting reposted every 8 weeks. Rejected from $12-15 an hour jobs too. It's brutal. Over 2,400 jobs applied to

[@isabella6075]

@@CC-br9qgIt’s happening in the UK too!!!

[@AnthonyBolognese710]

the automated canned email response saying "thanks but no thanks" also explains why ive gotten rejection emails from companies even after signing the offer letter and/or working there for awhile. I guess they closed out the position and it just automatically sent the email to everyone who applied, even if they got in.

[@FullLengthInterstates]

lmao the automated rejection email happened to me at one of the jobs I was hired to. i didnt mention it to anyone, I figured getting escorted out of the building would be fun.

[@realMacMadame]

The last time I looked for a job was 8 years ago. It took 3 weeks to get an offer after a handful of interviews. For each job, there would be a screening interview and then you came into the office and met with 3-5 people usually 1on-1. Maybe after that, you'd have to come back one time but often not. If selected, 1-3 days later, you get the offer. The process takes days, a week tops. Looking for a job today? You get the screening interview, then maybe another slightly more specialized interview, then the coding interview (I'm in tech), then at least one more interview maybe two. Each interview is scheduled separately about one week apart. It takes about a month to go through the process. Maybe longer. I think it's crazy and broken.

[@gsigas]

It is a total waste of time. Realistically anyone that passes the screening interview could do the job so a second interview should be to pick one or two of the people (two in case the first one declines offer) and that's it. Why bother with third and fourth interviews? Just hire the top candidate contingent/contracting to perm for 90 days and move on. This system is broken.

[@thefirstgenesis4280]

It is more than crazy and broken. It is OUTRAGEOUS and RIDICULOUS. It does not help that applying for a job is all done on the web. Thousands of people from New Delhi can apply for that one tech job making it extremely difficult for you and me. And even if you get the interview, the corporation is sizing you up before you get to answer the first question. Welcome to corporate America

[@Krlowanigu-mg6eg]

Hr is a cancer, a useless man in the middle. And... demand a ban for hb1.

[@GhostSamaritan]

You guys are getting interviews?

[@realMacMadame]

@@GhostSamaritan Yes, but I'm at the senior level and also I have a big network.

[@Alisse.notavaliable]

From Germany here: We too have the "we can't find anyone"-shtik going on. The news aren't talking which jobs are in high demand. Here for example are jobs in the social fields, like nurses, caregiver for the elderly and childcare worker. Jobs which are hard and aren't paying enough. What people doesn't need to forget: It get's harder, because AI is taking positions in which people worked before (like translator or are grafic designer, etc.).

[@wwm84]

Was in his situation several years ago and it was the same story. Next to no replies or interviews despite several hundred applications sent out (major metro area) and tailoring my resume. ATS and other automation (and AI, now) are filtering out people who would otherwise be good candidates or easy to train. The strategy now is not how to get in front of the hiring manager, but how to defeat ATS and AI so we can even get in front of the hiring manager in the first place, and I do mean defeat, because I'd be amazed if the average company has properly tuned their automated process to properly select candidates. And four interviews is way too much for the vast majority of jobs. If it's not a job in the C-suite or working with sensitive or classified data, there'd better be an offer in the third interview, otherwise it's a waste of the jobseeker's time.

[@Krlowanigu-mg6eg]

I suppose the hr does not tune it on purpose. Constant seeking of the right candidates justify the existence of parasitic hr. At the other hand it opens backdoor for hr's family, frends, lovers etc. They admit it, there is nothing wrong to push a candidate of their own. Hr is a cancer.

[@TheSnerggly]

Look, this young person is spot on. As a job seeker, I am experiencing the exact same things. The only "new jobs" the Government has created are Government jobs, and there are low-paying Healthcare jobs that are part-time now. I haven't applied to "thousands" of jobs, but I've applied to enough over these past four months. It's a demoralizing place to be at this time. I feel for him.

[@TheSnerggly]

Thank you Bryan for speaking the truth here.

[@hanspeterfake3130]

Thank you for telling your experience and thank you for using the right term "I feel FOR him". Correct grammar is a rare gem nowadays

[@bossu2005]

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[@glow1815]

How much is low pay in Healthcare to you? I work in Healthcare 5 years now 48k gross 40 hrs only. My company is hiring (always) multiple positions lowest start $20-22 an hr as customer service call center

[@UberHeroMystic]

I feel this guy’s frustration as I’ve had to take a commissions only job. I’m a career switcher. I have 2 engineering degrees and an MBA and 8 years working experience and I basically threw in the towel to take a financial advisory role since the bar is so low to get hired. Part of me wants to just start my own company, but we are still in R&D. We’ve had some set backs, and until our design is finalized I have to have SOMETHING to support myself. Bottom Line: F corporations.

[@Liitebulb]

Half these problems could be avoided if recruiters actually cast out a smaller net, and, actually had humans screening the applications, not a machine. Even head hunter companies and recruiters use filters and algorithms. What is the point of you, if you won't even read the application or speak to the applicant?

[@JamesVestal-dz5qm]

I strongly agree.

[@CyrilCommando]

After reading your comment, this may be the result of all the incompetent boomers being in positions of administration for 40 years. They're completely deluded as to what they can expect, do an extremely poor job at their job because the standards in their day were beyond low & now since the standards have gone up & we can do a better job we aren't allowed a position because of them

[@lexa_power]

I have internships and work experience and degrees and everything they want. It seems like networking and nepotism is the only way to get a job now. My dad asked me what my skills gap is and i told him it’s not a skills gap it’s a networking gap. However no one ever wants to do anything so whenever i ask my network if they wanna get together for coffee or lunch everyone always says they’re too busy…. Hard to network when no one is ever open to chat but im trying to put myself out there and hoping for the best. Attending networking events and being active on linked in etc.

[@randallk6812]

After relocating to a new city 7 years ago it took me 9 months and nearly 200 job applications and 20 interviews before I landed a full time stable job. So I can only imagine how tough it is now Post Pandemic.

[@beltingtokra]

Currently working full-time, same job since 2017, had 1 interview in 2023, had fantastic feedback but it went to someone who was already doing the same job elsewhere. Over the months I've been applying for jobs like that and spending days refining my application, not 1 interview 😢 so I've been focusing on entry level 9-5 jobs, not 1 interview either. I have a Master's degree and I am not getting interviewed for jobs school leavers could do 😢😢😢

[@countdiff]

Same in Europe. A friend of mine from Spain, a specialist in marketing and sales, former channel manager at BAT, has been spending two years going to different interviews and has already discounted himself to the entry level jobs. Cannot find anything and seems to get disqualified if spends half a year more hunting for jobs

[@rayecast]

Yeah, I don't even bother with companies anymore if they require more than two interviews. Really any more than that is just a big waste of time for a job you statistically won't even get, and to me reveals a level of bureaucracy and inefficiency where the hiring team has no idea what they're doing and don't care how they're wasting everyone's time (and they're even wasting the company's time and money, but they don't care because they don't own the company and they get to look busy because they can say "oh look at me, I did like 500 interviews this week!") Yes, I blame the hiring teams and the totally broken modern application process.

[@user-dx2dm8oq8g]

Yeah I heard of a guy with a conscience who quit working as a recruiter and now helps people at job centers because he heard that one person travelled a long way and took a sick day for an interview he scheduled knowing the position was already filled, but it's protocol to make it look like you're looking.

[@00Prime00]

Then aren't statistically pretty much eliminating yourself from a significant portion of jobs?

[@user-dx2dm8oq8g]

@@00Prime00 True. Personally I'll accept a 2nd technical interview or a test but I'm not doing free work for interviews. Most will check that you have the knowledge needed so it's unavoidable.

[@mattvarner5825]

It feels like everything is about your network and not your merit. College is an expensive networking partner, not an educational institution. You'll get jobs based on who you know or who your friends dad is or what doors someone else can open up for you.

[@MrHousecup]

Yet another reason why I'm staying home on Nov. 5th, lies and half-truths about the "ever-growing" job market. And even if you do manage to get a job, you won't want it anymore after six months because employers only think they know how to manage, but it's just their ego running wild.

[@murdermondayspodcast]

Exactly!