Gen Z has lost faith in democracy. Here’s why.

Are we really living in a democracy, or is Britain something else entirely? In my discussion with Matt Goodwin on GB News, we dive into why so many young people feel disillusioned with the system.
We go to the ballot box, we vote, but does anything actually change? With rising living costs, a housing crisis, and decisions seemingly made by unelected officials, a lot of people my age feel powerless. If democracy isn’t working for us, what’s the alternative?

[@richtea615]

Only a complete and utter Boomer would think we still live in anything remotely like a democracy.

[@AndersonWave17]

Closer to an oligarchy.

[@FakenameStevens]

@@AndersonWave17 Who are the oligarchs then? Some industries are oligopolistic but others aren't

[@AndersonWave17]

@ Well you would have to look into PACS. Organizations that band together, pool their money, and lobby for certain politicians. AIPAC in particular needs to go. But the ultra rich and multi billion dollar companies shouldn’t be the ones capable of moving the needle more than voting (which they are)

[@shoopoop21]

Really ask yourself if democracy works if we hate all of our politicians, and see no way of actually making them any better besides stupid bootstrap crap.

[@shrunkensimon]

Never had one, only the veneer of it. Voting once every four years, versus four years of Privy council meetings and backdoor shenanigans.. it was never balanced from the start.

[@jaeggs]

Imagine your mother is dying, suffering from dementia or alzheimers. Half her visitors steal one of her belongings, she thanks each one and gives them a gift and a smile. But she regularly says she wishes you were never born. Sometimes even when she's not having an episode. You love and care for her, because it would be monstrous not to, and she raised you. She used to be nicer. This is what its like to be a native Briton.

[@HalfBlindAssassin-i5q]

"doesn't matter who you vote for , the government always gets in"

[@purpledevilr7463]

I am Gen Z. Can confirm.

[@JohnRavenwood]

The ancient Greeks considered 'democracy' to be the worst form of government for a reason.

[@pincermovement72]

Democracy is easily corruptible and the more globalist it gets, the more corrupt it becomes, while a dictatorship can be effective it is often only so for that persons life. Monarchy in the true sense would be my preferred choice , not the faux one we have but in the traditional sense. A monarch would have advisors but would understand that if he goes against his people his line ends. Our politicians under democracy continually do the opposite of what we ask because they are bought and paid for.

[@techpriest6962]

More so Aristotle, but he was 100% right.

[@Cataphract_]

He also didn’t believe in human rights

[@Nat-uw4fs]

This guy is so damn charismatic, I can see he would be highly successful if were to run for parliament. Reminds me of Jordan Bardella

[@theclockworkcadaver7025]

He's a lovely chap in person too. Really has our interests at heart.

[@ibnrawandi2713]

My thoughts as well, he makes a good charismatic leader

[@LucienCanon]

That was bloody brilliant, Charlie Downes. That's how you do it.

[@JesusLordOfLords455]

Our taxes pay for our replacement

[@kanewhitehead1522]

I'm a millennial and despite being older I actually look up to Charlie since he's very good at articulating his uncompromising views across. I hope your popularity grows as we need more traditionalist right wingers to stand up against the zog.

[@FuuzBeeen]

In a time where confidence has been purposely shattered in society as per the governments efforts to make us feel disenfranchised, I feel it. It knocks your ability to get out the message you want to say, and so people like Charlie helps, and I'd happily just put my vote in on what he's said. Its clear and understandable, gets the job done well with full composure.

[@ballshippin3809]

"The liberal state is a state without politics, a state without the concept of an enemy, a state without a clear decision" - Carl Schmitt (1932)

[@nmpolo]

The enemy is the people.

[@wrongthinker843]

And eventually, a state without a nation.

[@garethjohnstone8662]

The youth, particularly GenZ, are disillusioned. They have little hope. Hard work is a diminishing factor in success, which seems to be more a product of luck and/or the social and financial status of your parents, and their parents. They see little point in voting. Either party renders the same results, near enough. The poor remain poor, the rich get richer. This is why we need a seismic shift in the political landscape. The rich dont believe in Great Britain - they just believe in wealth, and when the accumulation of more wealth becomes inconsequential, then they seek power and influence and we end up with people like Starmer and the WEF. So we need to leaders who are still in touch with the people they represent. Not so rich that whether they earn a wage or not is irrelevant and not so obscenely rich that tge only possible motivation for them to be in a position of power is simply for that - to weild enough power to implement your own personal agenda on a nation. Right now, we have the worst; Starmer. It's not enough for him to preside over single country and impose his will upon them. He has Davos and world domination in his sights. Deluded as he is. This dull, nasal sounding little man.

[@jonathanjostar7563]

Society is slowly coming to realize that maybe, just maybe, throwing away kings like some old, backwards idea was one of the biggest mistakes in history.

[@wrongthinker843]

Yet another case of Chesterton's fence.

[@jonathanjostar7563]

@@wrongthinker843 Haven't heard of that term yet, but absolutely.

[@GeekHelix]

I don't understand why he thinks this is a leap: 1. Voting changes nothing that helps me. 2. Voting changes none of the policies of the government to help me and actively hinders me. 3. Voting changes nothing with regards to direction of the country. 4. All 3 of the Above are getting worse. "I've never seen Democracy work favourably." = "I do not believe Democracy works." is not a leap, it's the logical conclusion.

[@Avtomat4774]

It's not just democracy that has failed... What benefits has capitalism produced for young people? They can't afford homes or even a reliable car. They can't find a decent woman. They can barely afford to buy groceries FFS; and they're taxed at about 50% when you factor in sales tax. Thats not to say that they think socialism is an answer to anything, but my oldest son and his friends are all quite willing to entertain a third system that was quite popular in Spain, Italy, and Germany in the mid 20th century; and I can't really blame them a bit.

[@Occult1488]

​@Avtomat4774 Your oldest son and his friends are right. The third position is the solution. Reject both capitalism and socialism two sides of the same international coin.

[@nmpolo]

@@Avtomat4774 50% of the GDP goes through the govt. That's not capitalism. That's a planned economy. AKA Communism.

[@theclockworkcadaver7025]

@@Occult1488 Nationalistic, protectionist capitalism is an unmitigated good. Globalist corporatism funded by governments is an unmitigated evil. None of this is to be laid at the feet of "capitalism" alone.

[@oatdilemma6395]

At this point the Tories and Labour only represent blue and red, they're literally both the same ideologically, socially, and economically.

[@UhtredSonofUhtred-y2l]

Lmao this guy cant even confidently give a list of rebuttals without conceding on some of them, > We have general elections Completely ignoring Charlie's argument that the election itself doesn't matter due to the hordes of unelected bureaucrats > We broadly still have free speech/free expression We legally don't and any illusions of this have been shattered post Southport > We have local elections Cancelled > We have devolved assembly elections See first point > We have the rule of law Arbitrary and unequal treatment of the different parties involved in the riots shows this to be false, furthermore the numerous terror acts give the government carte blanche to suspend all human rights and civil rights at their whim > We have a judiciary that on the surface at least would say is independent (lol) Soft touch for PDF files, life deletion by inmates for shouting grandads at riots You can practically see the speckles of Whitehall seminal fluid on his lips.

[@pincermovement72]

Matt interrupted him every time he started a point , this is classic interview technique to prevent a concrete answer , deny flow and control the narrative. I personally think Charlie speaks a lot of sense when allowed such as on the lotus eaters . I thought Matt was one of us but this interview technique was designed to deflect any pertinent point that could be made and I question why Matt would do this ? Could he be another gatekeeper like Farage ?

[@geordieheim]

It's an illusion of democracy

[@lovelettertothewest]

I am sorry to say that Charlie is absolutely right. I fully understand his frustration with the current political system (which is run by idiots and corrupt people, and whose policies are clearly against the interests of the indigenous population = majority). The West needs a strong and determined right. There is no time to lose!

[@оалатвлвд]

Are we voting our way out of this?

[@parrotshootist3004]

Depends. What's the vote procedure, to be used? If it's radically different, maybe. If not. Maybe not.

[@ramonacosta2647]

Not likely. Just look at Trump. A couple weeks into his presidency and he's talking about increasing legal immigration of non-Whites and cozying up to technocrats. DEI may be dying but in a couple decades Whites will be a minority and DEI will be the default. And he's also one of the most extreme Zionists in office.

[@TrevorMelbourne-ef1in]

No

[@Occult1488]

No

[@oatdilemma6395]

@@Occult1488 Boyd Rice is a homosexual lol

[@thetraditionalist]

I am glad someone is finally bringing this up. I am also Gen Z and have been called crazy for not supporting democracy but if we have to choose democracy or survival, I will choose survival. There is nothing wrong with opposing people voting their way to extinction

[@JamesTaylor-on9nz]

Not to mention the entire idea of democracy is ludicrous to begin with. The entire concept of democracy is based on self-government. Well, if the people were capable for governing themselves, then why have government? Why go through the process of elections and representatives, if people can regulate their own actions? Because they can't, which is why we need law and order. Secondly, even when democracy is put into practice, it's become increasingly obvious than putting a piece of paper into a box does not have as much influence on policy as billionaires, hedge funds, media conglomerates and holding companies do. Just look at Britain's richest people, most of them are Indians or east-European Jews, which explain precisely why the British government is not considering British interests.

[@thetraditionalist]

@@JamesTaylor-on9nz totally correct, could not have put it better myself

[@parrotshootist3004]

"no longer believes lies".

[@ramonacosta2647]

Government is the villain with a thousand faces. Regardless of the mask it wears, underneath it's always oligarchy.

[@nzreggae2534]

It is surreal to listen to political discussion of the UK and the talking points are secondary and relatively unimportant IMO. Over a million foreign people are being forced upon the Indigenous peoples of the British Isles per year. British citizens majority voted for decades of election pledges to reduce the unwanted foreign racial demographic ethno side by tenfold. Only to be betrayed every time and the numbers doubled. Many are too scared or indoctrinated with white guilt and European submissive self loathing that they won't acknowledge reality. Why have the native British people allowed their government to facilitate an invasion and conquering of their ancestral homelands against their will? Surely that is the only question needing to be discussed. Until election policy pledges are legally binding and enforced there is no point in having elections, voting or discussing politics. None at all.

[@Moving_Castles4278]

I don't think anyone should have to explain why wanting a dictatorship is one of the dumbest ideas imagineable. People who want dictators fully think their leader will do what they (the people) want to do, but guess what? Oh, if you don't like their actions, well too bad! YOU have no power, they'll do whatever they want, and you can't stop it.

[@ibnrawandi2713]

I watched this young man in another video and he is brilliant. I am 75 years and wish the host and the guest the best of luck. Britain needs them

[@googlaccount9414]

Any government personnel will tell you that the British public are literally anyone, no defining characteristics, no birthright, no rational discrimination whatsoever. No one has a leader because no one will say who it is they actually lead.

[@Gigachad-dv8pu]

Based and Elite Theory pilled.

[@Demi-Son]

Oswald Mosely was right. Read the Greater Britain.

[@Occult1488]

Most sensible comment. Heil Mosley.

[@Jack29245]

My problem with Mosley is his post-war writings. I've read The Greater Britain and am currently reading "My Life." What do you think of his post-war writings?

[@Demi-Son]

@@Jack29245 I think he was so committed to the idea of a United Europe that he chose to pursue it via a different route beside Fascism. After the war Fascism was boxed in (wrongly) with National Socialism and was politically, socially and culturally stamped upon across the West. Which is why I think Mosley became a bit more liberal in his post-war era, less he stood (in his mind) no chance in running for power.

[@Jack29245]

@@Demi-Son That's what I've been trying to figure out in "my life", I'm only halfway through the book at the moment and at times it seems like he still believes in the same ideas but as you said has put them to one side because he thinks they are politically unattainable. His vision in The Greater Britain was amazing and people should certainly read it.

[@Demi-Son]

@@Jack29245 I think he didn't really stand a chance either way after the war, whether he stuck to his traditional Fascism or his more liberal views. The liberal control over nearly every aspect of Western society was too strong and there was so much propaganda against his name. However, due to the current state of the West his ideas are becoming more recognised and sympathised with.

[@Awabaug]

Gen Z, I confirm

[@AndersonWave17]

Remember when people said “no taxation without representation”? Well? Then why are we even paying any taxes at all. We get no representation or say in where they go. Hope Trump ends income tax AND the federal reserve

[@Avtomat4774]

None of my sons have ever once seen neither democracy nor capitalism produce positive outcomes. Quite the opposite in fact. That being the case, why would young people venerate, or even want to preserve either of the pillars of our secular society?

[@Sullivan-z9z]

The Labour party all need lead . . 🙄

[@PoseidonOilRig]

JOIN THE HOMELAND PARTY, CHARLIE!

[@starsofaheartattack6286]

I still think we should have elections in Britain but rather than electing a politician or voting for a political party we should have a system where an occupation has it's own legal representative. For example a agricultural party, military party, medical party, house-wives party, education party ext.. This system wouldn't run like a modern democracy. Instead, people would vote for a representative who was an expert in that particular feild. We would vote for desisions, not empty canadites.

[@FuuzBeeen]

This could be problematic depending on the situation, and if we've seen anything from how the labour and Tory party act, it is that members of the Fabian society will infiltrate positions of power in order to gain control for socialist/marxist agendas. To be a part of the Fabian society is to play the slow game, and secure power and feign competence whilst planning to destroy, as per how our government is now. I feel the Swiss model of governance is good, and it includes Direct Democracy, but we should make voting compulsory with it in order to get the best version of democracy. The Aussies have compulsory voting.

[@Valencetheshireman927]

A lot of people feel this way. A lot of people feel this country is going to the dogs

[@TheDon266]

Ever since I realized that democracy isn't the opposite of a dictatorship I'll always live by this quote from James Madison: "democracy is the most vile form of government."

[@hamsh-il4ei]

How much time will be sacrificed at the altar of democracy? There was no single moment when Britain or England decided to become a ‘democracy’, we thrived long before everyone was given the right to ‘vote’ and still, maybe, we could once more

[@Siegheil1933]

Charlie I dont know if you read comments but if you do id like to tell you i think youre a great speaker and that is a very important trait as a leader of a new movement. I would like to reach out to you and people like you if possible

[@williamhall667]

At least with ancient Athens. People were selected to serve for a year after having their names pulled from a hat. After their term was over they would go back to their old jobs. More akin to modern day jury duty. There were no career politicians.

[@nmpolo]

This was extremely well elaborated.

[@techpriest6962]

1:30 Just because you believe something, doesn't mean it exists. A lot of people over 40 do not get it.

[@citizenx2422]

Sorry Matt, I'm with Charlie on this. We haven't been a democracy for a while

[@hallvardjrgensen2452]

Please people: Read Ryszard Legutko, Demon in democracy, for analysis of our situation, and a responsible way forward.

[@snakey934Snakeybakey]

2:09 no you don't. 2:20 no you don't 2:21 no you don't You live under a technocracy, which is even worse than a dictatorship.

[@sarahsarah2534]

The interviewer is sound asleep. He has never read Orwell.

[@RubenSano-q3v]

What do you mean?

[@SarahBaker-q9k]

@@RubenSano-q3v Sounds like you are asleep too.

[@RubenSano-q3v]

@SarahBaker-q9k enlighten me then.

[@SarahBaker-q9k]

@@RubenSano-q3v Read 1984, it's a good start.

[@wrongthinker843]

@@RubenSano-q3v He's basically demanding that Charles ignores all the evidence of bad things in favor of all the claims of good things.

[@Alex_Varriale]

Considering how things are going. Charlie is proving this guy wrong. Much like my woke college colleagues in the AV course from 2017-2018.

[@steptay]

That was 7 years ago & that’s academia. Academia is not the majority of people.

[@Alex_Varriale]

@steptay I know, but I was in the most woke group of assholes. I was still right in the end about what was happening and what had happened. I want to tell them "fuck you, I was right."

[@CatholicEdward]

Fantastic video

[@TomHawks-k8l]

Read the Fall of Orthodox England

[@stefaniaponitz5738]

"Well we have a legal system"...Do we???? It's like attorny Bob Loblaw said in Arrested Development...why should you go to jail for a crime someone else noticed?

[@rogerpeberdy1878]

Yes but not labour leaders

[@Soldier-yu2ml]

Yeah, true

[@morgan3625]

Just subscribed good stuff

[@leomayne8813]

become Prime Minister I mean it

[@konstantinoskalavrezos5273]

Democracy is cringe read some Aristotle

[@infernalcontraptions8648]

Im gen z myself and id agree that I have issues with democracy. Though mine are more fundamental so i think that the issue we have is that currently democracies have no public facing counterbalance. For example any democracy will inevitably think only in terms of things that will pay off whilst the current politicians are in power making them inevitably short term focused and bad at long term planning. Furthermore after thinking about it the other problem is that since people dont agree you will inevitably end up with one of two problems (with the UK and US as neat examples of each of them) either you get compromises and parties fight for the centre vote watering down their policies into a situation where all parties feel the same (like in the UK) or the parties double down and refuse to work with each other at all and you get radical changes every cycle that invalidates a lot of the work done by the previous government immediately which sabotages any long term diplomacy and creates uncertainty in the markets. (Like the US) Im not sure if there even is a solution to the issue. You would need some kind of alternatley accountable branch of government with at the very least veto power which is what the house of lords was meant to be but since a lot of the lords are now affiliated with the parties (or appointed by them) if it ever did work like that it dosent now.

[@thelaughingphilosopher2421]

Are you Roman Catholic? If not, you should convert and become the Katechon : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katechon

[@TomHawks-k8l]

No you need to convert to Orthodoxy. Your Norman Catholicism got us where we are right now fool.