Gen Z vs. Millennials: Who's the Better Goth

Cover Photo by Pascal Bauret / pascal.de.paris.fotos
t’s the battle of decades. How do Gen Z and Millennials define goth differently, has goth lost it’s mystery and magic when we can access everything online, what makes us cringe, where does each group stand on gatekeeping and politics, how do we go about including new genres of music under the goth umbrella, why do my knees hurt when I wake up in the morning? All this and more on this months episode of Cemetery Confessions!
Our guests are:
Caitlyn of Corlyx
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Kayla of Scum
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Intro 00:00
Goth Adjacent Music 9:00
Internet and Magic 23:00
Goth Ideology 1:13:26
Is Goth Muisc Based 1:31:00
Lifestyle 1:47:20
Generational Divide 2:01:00
Post Show Musing 2:17:00
References:
-Juvenoia
• Juvenoia: The Psycholo...
-Cringe
• Cringe Philosophy
-TikTok’s Goth Problem
• TikTok's Goth Problem ...
-Fascism and the Failure of Imagination
• Fascism and the Failur...

[@CorlyxOfficial]

Thank you for a wonderful chat! Had a blast 🖤🖤🪦🪦

[@thepitsofdarkness]

Jumping off points: finding MASK at the Goodwill on top of a stack of records they had just put out late one evening. Bought them all, about 18 or so. Many still had Wax Trax labels on them. It turned into a life changing experience. But I too did not know Goth was a thing until later in life. Much.

[@jessiemeowser]

Dance vibe is different with the young ones I feel. Happier and faster feeling. Part of me thinks because the world is much more accepting now in comparison to before. Although clearly much more work must be done. Perhaps as the mainstream culture gets more “tolerant” the alternative culture becomes more mainstream.

[@mjjjermaine]

+1

[@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396]

2:10:31 I think a lot of the Gen X and Boomers go to steampunk conventions now, since it’s more and more goth adjacent and often have goth DJs or bands. I am ok going to events solo. I meet new people that way. But maybe there is pressure about being photographed alone? I was told it was “sad” I went to events alone by someone younger. I really only show up to dance and I can do that better alone, especially early in the night when the stage is empty…no bumping. :) I wore a skirt with a train once…once…I had to make a finger loop for it since it got stepped on a lot! It isn’t “male privilege”. I am a female and went to goth clubs in big cities alone. You just carry mace or your keys between your fingers.

[@Chill-mm4pn]

I usually go to events by myself, my friends host a Goth night an hour away from where I live. I also attend Goth nights in my town which is 6 mins from my house. As a 38 year old elder goth I'm used to having to go places by myself but also dealing with folks face to face. Gen Z does show up at Goth nights and they're pretty chill.

[@Cyauuu]

Ahh can’t believe I’m just getting around to this. But I’m almost 25 so I’m gen Z I think. I remember looking up to millennial goths (90s-00s) bc they were my generations closest “elders”. I didn’t actually start interacting with older generations until I wasn’t a shy underaged kid lol bc to me, they were the adults. The parents, even. So what could a kid really say to them, you know? But a lot of people I hung around were millennials and still are bc I’m an older GenZ and a lot of younger millennials grew up in tandem with me. But I’ve never actually taken the time to sit and think about things generationally and not so much by era. It’s a lot more intricate since different generations of people were involved in the different eras and I never stopped to think about how that impacted the way they maneuvered through the subculture. So thanks for the episode. Can’t wait to finish!

[@jessiemeowser]

Recently I went to a pop-up club in Central California. It seemed like it was mostly GenZ. Although, I’m GenX, I’m guessing I look Millenial. Some of them approached me to talk. Anyway, it was a night I felt I had to do my elder goth duty if you will lol and get the dance floor going. Many of them seemed to not dance like any goth style of any era prior. Some were dancing like normals in a mainstream club/party atmosphere. Some were dancing in gothy ways with groups of friends. Some seemed to start after watching me dance alone in gothy ways. When I got there there were a few people dancing here and there but the main dance space I saw a little crowd grooving in place focused forward to the DJ on stage. I’ve been noticing of GenZ in California - mostly LA area. At clubs, shows and events, they orientate themselves to watch and record the DJ rather than live and dance in a 3d irl room. I have a hunch it’s because they look into there phones and devices so much rather than the space literally around them. Others seem to literally just stand in the middle or the edge of the dance floor. I talked to a GenZ friend of mine and she thinks there may be something to that, that it’s come up before. Usually when I go to a dance night, it’s mostly GenZ to younger GenX. Shows and some events will bring out more Boomers and older GenX too. In LA, from what I see young GenX is still getting out. I do a mix of going out with my millenial friends or go alone. For my safety attempts when I go alone, I don’t drink and i order a car to drop me at the door and call for a car while I’m Still inside. When I was young before Uber and Lyft, I would get a taxi if I could afford it or make sure to wear my steel-toes, metal box purse, plenty of spikes and make sure to get there at a peak time for arrivals to walk close enough to look like part of the heard.

[@pluviophile5206]

I'm still really loving and excited by your content. Just some feedback, I'm not sure if it was just me, but I would of loved this as a visual youtube, as opposed to a podcast. Only because I had trouble making out the different guest voices, & therefore at times getting lost with generational experiences, until more obvious things were mentioned. I hope I've explained myself properly. Otherwise, as I mentioned, excellent content. Thanks for all you do.

[@CemeteryConfessions]

I appreciate the feedback and that's something I've considered before. At the moment, the closest I have is certain patreon tiers have access to a livestream with a video feed of me. Generally guests aren't super comfortable being on camera, and video editing does add a large extra layer of work. So it's not something that will happen any time soon but I would like to make thst work at some point. 😊

[@pluviophile5206]

@CemeteryConfessions Ahhh yes I can empathise with not wanting to be on camera, & I can understand video editing would take a really long time. I just thought I'd mention it, once more I appreciate your work & the channel. 😊

[@ostwestfalischehochmoorlei4705]

In my area in nothwestern germany i see a tendence to an older subculture in discos ore festivals. Im somewhere in the "elder" middle of age of the people.... I think we are near the same year of birth, so you know what i mean. With the years i got much into oldschool ebm and other old stuff punk/postpunk for example and I enjoy that in music and style very much. I like the elder ones at subculture events, there are very nice people in that generations, buuuut: I like to see very young people too. Hey, the young goth, punks, metal heads, electro heads, freaks are oure future. We dont want to become a seniors dance tea subculture. Ergo: There are no better generations, just style and music you like more ore not.

[@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396]

Neither. Gen X rules. I miss the days when there weren’t cameras everywhere. There is one club here that doesn’t allow phones, so that’s nice. 2:05:50.

[@corn_juice2195]

Punk aint about No phones in sight, but more of a spirit / sense of revolution and not be satisfied with the status quo ! Gen X throughout History has been so passive vis-à-vis bad shit

[@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396]

@@corn_juice2195 Sure. We only invented punk and goth. Well, us and the Boomers. Yeah, so passive.

[@thepitsofdarkness]

I stopped by the podcast after I saw that you were going to touch on politics and wanted to hear the thoughts others had. Myself, speaking as an older member of the community, cannot stand idly by while people I care about are being harmed by repressive extremist Right Wing policies and hatred. Of course, I love and appreciate the commentary and insights you and your guests always bring here.

[@JhonNye96]

Gen Z seems to be doing better with kepeing the subculture alive than younger Millenials did in the late 2000s early 2010s

[@-RONNIE]

Thank you for the video I always appreciate listening & keep up the good work.Who does Goth best I would say Gen X then Millennials Gen Z just mess it up 🤣🤣🤣

[@OkieDokieSmokie]

We know who the hotter goth is 😂

[@Ravenghoul]

Gen X did Goth culture best. Future generations got it mixed up with Metal and Emo. Metal was its own genre separate from Goth. 90’s Industrial brought in what was viewed as Metal Industrial, in Goth. But in the 90’s Industrial was a branch off Goth. I hate seeing the Goth Atheistic being bastardised. Each decade sees Goth become more mainstream the same as what happened to Punk. I think there’s a conundrum between what is considered Goth Rap and a gangster attitude connecting itself with Goth, because earlier Goths were beaten up by so called “Gangsters” just for being Goth or we’d be called “Freaks”, so it makes it harder to except it as part of the scene.

[@aotctd]

Goth was at it's height in the 80s and OG Goths are Boomers I am not a Boomer Just don't write people out of their Cultures and act like My Generation invented them ? That said we did grow up with it and even your AVATAR IMITATES how WE GREW UP ?

[@CemeteryConfessions]

It sounds like you haven't listened and are rage commenting based on the title? No one is writing boomers out of goth, at least not on this podcast. That's silly.

[@SkyeID]

@@CemeteryConfessions when I listened to the "Generational Divide" portion of the video, it's obvious that none of the generations are being written out.

[@JhonNye96]

Og Goths are Gen Jones and Gen X not boomers

[@aotctd]

Uh You literally Both imitate Other Generation's Cultures and Styles ? Is this a J O K E ?

[@CreightonChaney-io4xv]

I'm definitely Millennial but I always enjoy hearing about older generations and newer ones, too 🖤🪦