Gender-Critical Feminism and Academic Witch Hunts. A conversation with Kathleen Stock

[@justmy2cents652]

Kathleen is a hero! I so love listen to her, I hope she'll speak more often and will be plattformed more. As a heterosexual woman I have to admit a little girl crush here. She's just so impressive.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

That's why she does what she does - Feminism was a dating(sax) strategy for Lsbns who turned wmn against men to improve lesb access to those wmn. Intersectional Feminism is also a dating (sax) strategy, for those wmn to get pns-sax (without the manliness of a man). Wmn are said to be the best judges of character & intuition & body language etc but they still can't spot fem predators.

[@KitschKiss-pi8wp]

Haha Glad it's not just me. Kathleen has turned me without trying ❤

[@toppinzr3743]

I love her too :)

[@randomhumanoidblob4506]

And Helen Joyce. Never EVER thought I'd be a TERF. I'm incredibly sad we've even got there, but I guess at least we're in good company 🤷😂

[@mikescollard6499]

​@@randomhumanoidblob4506Terfs are great. TERealFemales.

[@mcarmella7842]

Dr Stock is a breath of fresh air. Her arguments are cogent, insightful, compelling. Thank you for your bravery.

[@jesipohl6717]

Mustard gas is not fresh air.

[@RC-qf3mp]

@@jesipohl6717 HAHA. What did she says that’s false? Be specific, point it out, and educate us all - rationally. Or are you just here to spout off and cry?

[@garyweglarz]

Thank you Dr. Stock.

[@jessicadumbrell5484]

I went to a concert last year, open air. Three sets of toilets: ladies (the usual queue), gents (a fast moving queue) and gender neutral in the middle with no queue at all. Women walking past it and choosing to queue for the ladies. Vote with your bladders people 🤣 Younger me would have chosen the gender neutral toilet; older me proudly joined the queue for the ladies

[@Tesla_Death_Ray]

I wouldn't film it, but if I had one of those trans toilet confrontations (if I was a woman) the succinct way to put it would be "this is a space for females, not anyone who wants to be one"

[@randomhumanoidblob4506]

And the next stage of lady-hood is when you just give up altogether and hope the Tena will last out 😂

[@jesipohl6717]

Thinking about TERFs damaging their bladders on purpose is funny.

[@lizzysmith5365]

Love Kathleen ❤

[@Susan.D]

Such an incredibly dysfunctional social, sexual movement. Thank you for continuing to speak for reasonable thought and facts. The language is absurd. Language changes should never have been accepted. It is simply illogical. Flexibly in roles is fine, but when basic maturity and understanding of boundaries isn't present, we end up with this level of stupidity.

[@Shalanaya]

Languages always have to change at all costs if humans wish to live free from any oppressive system, because humans evovle, and therefore sturtures around it also. There should have never ever been any separation of sexes in spaces in the first place!!! Thankfully we are gradually evolving out of that patriarchal segregative paradigm at last. Because it is this separation of two dimensional thinking that has been perpetuating the predatory paradigm, this is why gender binary has been always strongly enforced in deeply patriarchal fear-based tyrannical systems on this planet, because it serves as a psychological control of the 2-dimensional mind-set which also cultuivates two filling cabinets in our psyche two categorize sex into two boxes, despite the overwhelkming evidences proving without shadow of any doubt that biological sex has always been a diversity with two high end peaks on both sides. Gender identity comes from the 6th dimension as the highest point of our self that centers and directs our lives which liberates the consciousness from 2 dimensions that creates the illusion of the flat earth or two sexes into 3 dimensional paradigm of time, space and consciousness, or proton, electron, neutron, or neocortex, limbic brain and reptilian brain. Patriarchal system operates by time and space while excluding consicousness by giving it to any outside authority, and this is how humans have lived fragmented in fear and shame. And this is exactly how trans people are currently liberating all of humanity especially women from the patriarchal system on this planet, which needs to come with destruction of all structures built on fear and segregation. This is part of the evolution that has been predicted for a long time. Transgender humans are bringing mutation to the systems that we are attached to. Sports / Religion / Government / Healthcare / Media etc. are massive systems with money, prestige, rules, and hierarchy anchoring them. Systems self-protect which means that when the old rigid ways no longer serve them, they will reach a tipping-point that will bring expansive and evolutionary shifts or else they will crumble. The law of nature is change. If change scares someone then they are not aligned with nature, they are aligned with the rigid systems that nature is in the process of deconstructing. Trans people are weapons of destruction to the system, and the establishment is using people's fears to stop them, the same tactic has been made by Hitler and Mussolini by demozing jews, gays and trans for their public at the time before they were sent into gas chambers, so they could stand on the side of their leaders. Trans represent the future free from archaic systems of social control rooted in fear by the radical act of freeing mother nature from the sexist patriarchal systems around the world that determined what man or woman is in the first place as a result of humans giving p their own powers, and bring back self determination instead of colective imposition upon mother nature. Feminism is, in it’s essence the freeing of women from the societal cages so that we can create a more expansive, balanced, and harmonious world. If you are using feminism to create from fear and put other people in cages then you are perpetuating the same hate and hierarchy that has been used to harm women for millennia. We are here to rise above and transmute, not pass the shit down the hill. If your ideology is dividing and constricting instead of unifying and expanding then you are using your creationary force to sow oppression instead of freedom. We are not free until all of us are free. All expressions of life exist on a spectrum. The narrative of “2 genders” is just that - a patriarchal narrative. Part of human evolution is the rejection of singular narratives and the embracing of personal authority/sovereignty. The patriarchy has benefited from establishing a “norm” and labeling everything else as “degenerate”, but all humans are holy expressions of divinity. Assume that everything you have been taught as truth is merely an established narrative that keeps our world in duality and shadow. If you consider yourself a light worker who has “awakened” but you cannot free yourself of the mental shackles of gender expression, there is awakening still left to be done. Freedom is achieved through an act of inclusion as a tool that sacrifices and erases the means through which the governmental power can exploit and oppress mankind, and that is our beliefs rooted in trauma around sex, shame, guilt, body and identity. The oppression is ultimately not against women, it is against the feminine, the mother nature herself as a creative force - the reflection/shadow. The oppressive regimes come into existence as a result of resistance towards the inclusion and sacrifice for the individual that evolution demands, which then leads to division of people, and then conquer by an outside authority, because authority of an individual has been rejected or devalued. True freedom always needs to come with the destruction of all that we think is true in the name of freedom and power for the individual. Because the truth is a multiplicity that diversifies into multiple billions of pieces of the whole system that unifies through its diversity at a higher point. "We trade away some, if not much, of our freedom for the feeling of safety that comes with sticking with what we know, because the known can only be as scary as it already is, whereas the unknown has limitless potential to be terrifying" - Philip K. Jason Biological sex is not and should not be determined by sex chromosomes anyway. Chromosomes are nothing more than a storage of structures of the underlying genetics. Biological sex is determined by a massive and complex array of genetics and epigenetics. There is no overall general consensus of the definition of biological sex. Most definitions center around reproductive ability which is not fully determined or realized until well into puberty. Sex assigned at birth is based on appearance of external anatomy. Chromosomes are not frequently used to determine sex assigned at birth unless there is a need to perform an analysis. And now get this, gender identity itself has been found to be biological due to its in-utero hormonal exposure during the second trimester, while sexual orientation during the third trimester, so stepping out of this complexity and imposing rules on nature is literally playing God. This is not a coincidence that it has been largely religious organizations who were upholding this binary categorization, but also neo-nazis, because it helps them to perpetuate the predatory paradigm of 'domination vs submission' (man vs woman). Gender Binary has been a tool of psychological control by deeply oppressive regimes on this planet (especially in Moddle East) in resitance to individual expansion that could serve the whole system as the whole system could serve the individual, because when the whole suppresses the individual, then the individual can not reflect the whole, and that is when tyranny comes into play. The fear gives them the reason to rule. Notice what Adolf Hitler has once said: "It was by the will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will." - Hitler (Mein Kampf, vol 2, chapter X.) "Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth . . . Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world (which conservatives would call "liberal") and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea." (which conservatives would call "conservative")." - Hitler ("Mein Kampf", Vol. 1, Ch. 10, )

[@Arabella868]

@@Shalanaya Wow that was very enlightening, you have managed to change my mind on this in many ways now, thank you for sharing! I agree, that languages MUST always change to accomodate evolution of mankind, otherwise we are asking for a totalitarian control. Plenty of my female friends do not know what they are asking for, they have been tricked, and I think with time it will become more apparent. Just look at the connections Dr Hillary Cass has, reaching down to Heritage Foundation and their Project 2025 to install a totalitarian regime ruled by a dictator. This is how people give up their rights, and this is how they open gates to transhumanism where they no longer have any control over their body.

[@Shalanaya]

@@Arabella868 Yes I am aware of it. Her report is illegitimate due to its bad science of setting the standard for evidence so high that it would be a medical malpractice to reach it, the standard that has not been set up this way for any other medical treatments. It is my belief she has been paid by the elite. Remember gender critical movement is inherently fascistic and genocidal. They can not fathom the realiy that trans people are born in the opposite sex. None of those things are mere feelings whatsoever. If people's bodies are meant to be weaponized against them and each other, then we are in deep deep trouble.

[@TransGurl.VrilX.1488]

They taught grammar but nobody follows it's genesis. In addition they added a few words to standard vocabulary to the dictionary. It happens. Get a grip! In the beginning God created the word and the word was with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made- John As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before the - Mark It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things, from the very first, to write uno thee in order, most excellent Theophilus- Luke When Herod heard these things, he was troubled - Matthew 😮

[@Susan.D]

@TransSisterRadio1488 OK, so get a grip. There we go.

[@tpaine1815]

This behaviour by universities extends beyond just gender - critical race theory, critical social justice theory, indigenous studies and on and on and on. This is happening in Universities throughout UK, US, Australia, New Zealand.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Yeah, but she's a Feminist, so she's only interested in wmns advantage

[@Tesla_Death_Ray]

Can you give an example of controversy in indigenous studies in those Anglo colonies?

[@ME24689]

They are destroying society and normality with their queering of Society.. Shame on them! 🚫🤬👿🤬

[@jesipohl6717]

This just in, TERFs also hate indigenous studies, nobody surprised.

[@DrGreenGiant]

I'm so so glad to hear Kathleen again. Her academic reasoning and calm demeanor strikes a chord with me more than anyone else in this discussion. Possibly due to me falling out with my university several years ago, albeit nowhere near on the same scale.

[@maryskelcher8979]

Thank you. I don't agree with everything Kathleen Stock says, but it is always a joy to listen to her measured logic.

[@jamiegraham5841]

Thank you Dr. Stock. Thank Scott Turner. Thank you Cornell.

[@theckp]

Please fix the audio

[@mariGentle]

You mean listening to the presenters heavy breathing and shuffling….. really off putting! But I love hearing Doc Stock talk, so I’m going to pretend it’s a Labrador sleeping in the background 😂

[@theckp]

She’s awesome but yes, dreadful audio production all round

[@susandavorn3249]

​@@mariGentle😄😅

[@susandavorn3249]

​@@theckp😢 Damn.😢

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

I love the extra-wide stereo effect. Don’t change a thing!

[@kayemm1973]

Lovely to hear Kathleen talk again about this very odd religion.

[@jenx3338]

❤ this woman. Thank you for your courage!

[@deirdrejohnston6701]

Great interview. Thanks Kathleen for all you do.

[@mercurious5053]

If trans women were women why would we say trans women? Then we wouldn't need that cathegory. And there would be no debate. And if anyone who feals like a woman is one the word would mean nothing and the need for transition would not exist. It's a play with words and like when a child challange when he/she desperatly needs boundaries

[@Shalanaya]

Just like there are Asian women or black women, trans does not mean anything, they have always been women for centuries, hiding from the patriarchy using biological determinism to oppress the diversity of biological sex that proves they are female, because definitions of sex change based on what it serves, within the medicine that definition is diferent from social setting or sport. Gender identity developed in utero and hormones makes them intersex women more than anything else, unless we wish to stay deluded like most gender criticals.

[@hoppetosse8]

there are actually trans individuals who don't transition nowadays or men who use the possibility to self-ID to get into women's prison etc.That's why women need to safeguard their safespaces and also fight for sex based rights and sex based science.

[@mercurious5053]

@@hoppetosse8 yea and why wouldn't they? If we pretend we don't know what a woman is, why would men not claim to be one if that benifits them?

[@hoppetosse8]

@@mercurious5053 yeah, have you heard of trans maxxing by incels? That's the weirdest and most patriachal strategy and they start this because now they just can...

[@TheNesbittExperience]

@@mercurious5053the tomfoolery has begun. Have you heard of transmaxxing? You will be astounded!

[@autumnb7135]

Is the sound a bit low on this? I have my tablet at full volume & it still sounds quiet..

[@Soumein]

20 seconds in, and the sound is predominantly in my left ear on headphones.

[@jovialnobody]

I think they should also mute the mic of the person who's not speaking, since their mics with their settings seem to be picking up every little sound around them.

[@HebaruSan]

The British Empire is lucky to have her.

[@claireharris8784]

Thank you Scott for your thoughtful questioning.

[@fromchomleystreet]

I think “gender critical” is a flawed term, because it suggests skepticism about the existence of gender. The distinction between “sex”, “gender”, “transgender” and “gender identity” is crucial to this debate, and we need to be really clear about what we mean. “Gender identity skeptical” or “transgender critical” would seem more accurate terminology.

[@carlgrace8761]

"Anti trans bigot" will do. Trans folk have and always will exist, no matter how much you wish it, you cant torture us out of our identities.

[@hw6271]

Transcritical

[@howigotover798]

I love Dr Stock

[@cestmoi4532]

Amazing woman, thank you for sharing this conversation.

[@AleeBay]

I don't understand why Stock won't just say "men" and instead refers to male bodied people or people with penises. Playing along with the language is part of how we got here.

[@LisaBeta-42]

MAN is the word to describe humans in total: mankind, because men always thought themselves as the "base model" of mankind and women as something "lesser", different and lacking specific male virtues (aggression, bodily strenght and education, which was so long denied to female students). Hormonal fluctuations happen to all humans, but never more easily observable at fertile women, not (yet) pregnant - period!

[@kathystephen]

I think she's making sure that anyone who has adopted gender speak are in no doubt that she means males - xy etc.

[@RC-qf3mp]

She’s probably just in the habit of not using language that could get her in legal trouble in the UK. Obviously, you are correct. There’s only kind of ‘man’ - the biological kind, the male human adult. And there’s only one kind of male - the biological kind. There’s no astrological male or alchemical male. But people say “biological male” as emphasis or clarity in a world where enough crazy people want to confuse the issue. That’s the sad state of affairs we are in.

[@JoanneBartone]

Thank you, Doctor Stock. As usual, you cogently make sense of the insanity that is occurring all over the world.

[@langwaters9653]

This was excellent. So refreshing to hear clear discussion around such a volatile issue these days. There were two points near the end that I wish had more discussion. I did not watch the minute mark unfortunately, but 1) Kathleen seems to say that being trans is a choice. I'm pickled in decades of being told that being gay is not a choice. I don't believe it is a choice, but I have only the word of gay people I know on the subject. I choose to believe them. Does Kathleen believe that being gay is a choice? Apparently she distinguishes between being gay and being trans and I would have liked a little more discussion there. Why isn't it possible that being trans is not a choice? Also 2) the issue of trans people in sports comes up a lot. I get push back from my young sons, who have gone to university and absorbed a lot of this stuff, and they say basically "prove it, prove that it makes a difference. The evidence isn't there." When you hear out loud that trans men participating in women's sports are pushing women off of the podium I believe this intuitively. It makes sense that a body that went through puberty as a male would be different. But still, I don't think you can just say these things without providing specific examples. It would be more compelling. This really was fantastic. We need to here this voice in the US, not just the right wingers frothing at the mouth about it. It makes a difference that Kathleen is a lesbian. I wish it didn't, but it does.

[@281992pdr]

Katleen Stock nails it again. A real star.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

I’d love to listen to her speak just on the topic of incoherence within trans ideology. It is, to my mind, *the defining feature* of trans ideology, and the activists can never explain these gaps in coherence and logic. The best answer I’ve seen any of them give, when pressed, was “Not all trans people think alike!” Meaning, person A might make two simultaneously incompatible claims, and person B might disavow either of those claims because they recognize the incompatibility of them-but then the question should be, is Person B a transphobe, even if they are an avowed trans ally/activist or an actual trans-identifying person? It’s all so tedious and stupid.

[@Shalanaya]

That is because there is no trans ideology in the first place, and never was, it stems from biology and nature that tries to make sense of or conceptualize something of what they experience in the society that has completely bastardized the diverse nature of reality, so trans people are mere victims of this kind of society. They are a pancultural and transhistorical phenomenon, indicating that they arise as a part of natural variation rather than being mere products of any specific culture. Or to put it differently, they are the inevitable outliers that exist in every complex biological system. The science is clear and conclusive: sex is not binary, transgender people are real. It is time that we acknowledge this. Defining a person’s sex identity using decontextualized “facts” is unscientific and dehumanizing. The trans experience provides essential insights into the science of sex and scientifically demonstrates that uncommon and atypical phenomena are vital for a successful living system. Even the scientific endeavor itself is quantifiably better when it is more inclusive and diverse. So, no matter what a pundit, politician or internet troll may say, trans people are an indispensable part of our living reality. Transgender humans represent the complexity and diversity that are fundamental features of life, evolution and nature itself. People should seriously check out the history, it was not just witches that used to be burned. Intersex and gender transgressors as they used to call it were all burned at the stake the same like women/witches. The categories of witch, intersex person, and gender-transgressor were often conflated. It was a time in which all sorts of people who deviated from norms were tortured and burned alive in the name of God. Today, Christians are not in the witch-burning business. That period of history is viewed as one of superstition and persecution. Yet some conservative Christians continue to revile people who are gender expansive, deem gender transition illegitimate, and demand that intersex babies receive forced genital reconstruction. They claim they must impose an eternal binary, for the Bible tells them so. But there's no need for that. The phrase "male and female created He them" is a poetic dyad, just like the phrases "rich and poor" or "old and young." The Bible also says "the Lord makes poor and rich." This binary of rich and poor appears multiple times in biblical language. Do conservative Christians therefore say it is an abomination to be middle class? No, but deviating from binary means deviating from the established creation for the purpose of control in order to create a new pathway that allows humanity to heal from sexism and misogyny and get closer to the unity of diversity and accelerate the inter-connectedness between each other.

[@ambientjohnny]

@@Shalanaya Words communicate meaning, trying to change that meaning is trying to manipulate society, which is precisely what the misogynistic TRAs are trying to do - Males trying to erase all female sex-based rights and protections from society (some "activists" even go so far as to try claim that no sex-based rights have even existed in the first place). Framing it as society merely being upset about words not meaning what they want is egregiously dishonest, as redefining the term "woman" has profound ramifications across all of society and affects the entire female population. Redefining the term "woman" ONLY benefits the misogynistic males who want to usurp female rights and protections, it does not benefit one single female on the planet.

[@tamarpeleg7452]

45:06 I agree that there is a continuum here, but I don’t think we should prevent 16-year-old girls from getting nose jobs based on distress about their appearance. The intervention of giving puberty blockers and then sex hormones seems much more impactful in the long run. In other words, while we want to prevent young people from slipping down this slope, this doesn’t mean we should block any kind of cosmetic surgery at a young age. Anyway, I'm a huge fan of yours, Dr. Stock.

[@SigMaQuint]

A good reasoning conversation is healthy. Even the therapists Tom Anderson and Jaakko Seikkula showed us its healing potential through Open Dialogue. There are many other examples, in peace negotiations, socratic dialogue etc. The basis is respect. It may not always be possible, when the opponent is just playing power gamles, and does not adhere to common reality experience.

[@Engrave.Danger]

Who recorded this? I don't want to listen to that guy breathe in my left ear while listening to Kathleen speak in my right ear.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Why?

[@Engrave.Danger]

@@OrwellsHousecat put on some stereo headphones and you tell me. 🤷‍♂️

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@@Engrave.Danger ooooh, sounds sooo much sxier with headphones - thanks for the tip

[@nwadtrah]

I just spent five minutes trying to figure out what was wrong with my AirPods 🙄

[@Engrave.Danger]

@@nwadtrah setting them to mono might help.

[@polarvortex3288]

MS STOCK YOU ROCK ✊💜🤍💚

[@Tawny593]

She doesn't start speaking until 5 min 30.

[@DaveBoothroyd-ej5in]

Shame the NAS can't set up a pair of microphones properly

[@Enhancedlies]

the nice thing about having in-person chats is the interplay, so why cut this like this filmed in opposite countries? I would much prefer a wide shot so we can see both at once.. but great chat tho!

[@NAScholars]

Just between you and me, I agree with you. We're amateurs, and we've just begun using OBS Studio. The 2-camera set up is our baby steps. We're getting confident enough to next go to 3 cameras, just as you suggest. Good tip. Thanks!

[@Enhancedlies]

@@NAScholars reading my comment it sounds overly critical, I loved the chat and the filming high quality. I most definitely will be following along in the coming months!

[@MaryCeleste86]

Volume is too different.

[@TracyPicabia]

@45:50 "... these new markets in teenage flesh ..." So important to this debate. And one feels the same rage that momentarily flashes across Kathlene's expression. I am still rageing. She, on the other hand, contains the anger instantly, presumeably because she has a far more rational. philosophical and focussed voice than I do. In my defence, I just got through an hour and twenty minutes of enrageing Judith Butler straw-manning terfs, popes and socialists here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZmvp2WtgJV4p9U

[@chernobylcoleslaw6698]

Is her microphone turned on?

[@kattekongen]

Very nice interview! Just a shame the audio isn't better.

[@richardsilver98]

I think this was a well-intentioned discussion between two engaged and intelligent people, but there was a certain disconnect between them that made the discussion difficult to listen to. It impacted both form and substance. He, especially, tended to ramble, muse, and proceed based on personal experience and feeling in a way that didn't properly ground his various assertions, and i think Dr. Stock sensed he was doing so at times and was unwilling to go with him, hence the substantive disconnect. I gave up 31 mins in.

[@suedibnorton]

No one does this better.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

Helen Joyce. I’d say no one does it better than her. Listen to any and every interview you can find with her. But yes, Stock is obviously brilliant.

[@lancewalker2595]

This practice of gender "medicine" is not anomalous within the broader context of modern medicine, the ethic of such a practice is predicated on the notion that medicine should serve not merely to restore an unhealthy body to a more healthy state, but should, in addition, enhance and improve the natural condition of the healthy human body. Birth control, SSRIs, pain killers, cosmetic surgeries, routine infant male circumcision, stimulant drugs: all these are prevalent examples of medical practices justified on exactly the same principle now being used to rationalize the medical harm to healthy adolescent bodies through "gender affirming care": namely, the Asclepian arrogance of presuming ourselves capable of artificially "enhancing" the natural human form, unfortunately Zeus doesn't literally exist to smite our doctors like he did Asclepius for the crime of subverting human mortality. The full stop prevention of adolescent development and extreme surgical mutilation of healthy bodies (so called "top" and "bottom" surgeries) are, obviously, the most extreme manifestation of this post-modern medical ethic, so the existence of this trans-humanist ethic of medicine is more noticeable today than it has been in the past (though forced sterilization and the practice of lobotomization during the 20th century were quite horrific as well). This catastrophic abuse of children is NOT an exception to the general trend of western medicine, we have been on this path for nearly 300 years now; Mary Shelly clearly recognized this paradigm shift with her Frankenstein, her warning to the world about the potential dangers of scientific materialism... clearly humanity didn't heed her warning.

[@insidiousmischka]

I agree, but can you edit it his to separate it into paragraphs?

[@TheNesbittExperience]

You would love Jennifer Bilek’s article on how this is all connected to transhumanism.

[@Shalanaya]

The irony is that it is the exact extreme opposite. Hormonal and surgical transions are acommodating the spirit, not the material, on the other hand, those who are criticizing hormonal transition as a medical treatment tend to be valuing the material body more by upholding the sexist materialist perspectives of life. Funny how it works, generally that is the nature of ego, self projecting who we are ourselves onto others. The entire anti-trans movements are deeply deeply rooted in materialism as a result of a separation betwen the spirit and the body, either through judgment (this is how we see so much disgust and judgment directed towards those who are disabled or LGBT) or wilfull repression. HRT and surgery are all about sexual self embodiment to become whole and unified. Read the book SOUL SEX: THE ALCHEMY OF GENDER & SEXUALITY written by a trans man who is a shaman/spiritual healer and hypnotherapist who transitioned in the 1960's, it demonstrates how gender identity develops within the higher dimensions which is then reflected by the hormonal exposure in utero that forms gender identity during the 2nd trimester, and any changes of the body within the physical plane are connected to changes within the higher dimensional plane, as they are never separate, BUT most humans have separated these, this is why most people have ben buried within materialism. The minority that is trans people are those few out there who have ben spiritually awakened enough to bring these two parts in unison.

[@ambientjohnny]

@@Shalanaya Mental problems are NOT to be treated with physical alterations to the body - it is LAUGHABLE that all you "activists" and "allies" act as if such a fundamental misunderstanding of what constitutes proper psychological help would be some sort of standard of care - you don't actually know anything, or understand anything, but merely parrot what you've heard which resonates with you at an emotional level. No one can be "born in the wrong body", our brains ARE our body just as much as any other part of it. We are the sex we are, regardless of what our personal relationship is with the sexist stereotypes in society. "Trans" ideology, is regressive and sexist, as there is no "correct way" of being a boy or girl, man or woman, all those terms do is indicate sex and stage of maturity - decoupling sex and gender and trying to make gender into this ludicrous concoction of personality and sexist stereotypes is beyond regressive - it actively harms people who buy into it - the idea that there is something wrong with a kid's body that needs to be chemically altered because they believe living up to sexist stereotypes is some real measure of whether they are a boy or a girl (and man or woman for adults obviously), is insanity. I have asked hundreds of "activists" and "allies" to explain what they are measuring themselves against to determine that they have a need to transition - NOT ONE person has been able to articulate what that is - not one person is able to distance themselves sufficiently to realise that THEY are the ones with a regressively sexist idea of what it means to be a boy/girl or man/woman and that that is the issue causing all the problems - their own misunderstanding and severely limited perspective/sexist misunderstanding of what sexist stereotypes/"gender norms" actually entail - they are not rules, they are not real boundaries, they are regressive ideas and generalisations - no one needs to live up to any such utter nonsense or feel comfortable with those stereotypes to be a boy/girl/man/woman - all those terms represent, and all they should represent, is sex and stage of maturity - by creating this whole "gender identity" nonsense, THAT IS WHAT CAUSES ALL THE DISTRESS, THIS FABRICATION OF A FRAMEWORK WHICH DISTORTS REALITY. No one - NO ONE - in the movement has been able to explain or articulate what this supposed "womanly essence" or "manly essence" is that they feel/know/need to transition in order to represent etc. actually is - yet you all actively believe in it and push for it to be accepted. That is ludicrous.

[@averyintelligence]

​@@insidiousmischka😂

[@ambientjohnny]

"What do the Trans community need most right now? Abigail Thorn & Freddy McConnell | Pod Save The UK" 12:25 : PhilosophyTube/"Abigail": "Even the way that they have reified biological sex, as if, like, that's an objective fact that's, like, discovered and not something that's assigned like. Like, a lot of people are still like 'well you can't change sex but you can change gender', I say, no, actually clearly you can, I have."

[@pseudonamed]

Very eye opening.

[@susannegardner3148]

If you think about gender ideology as a religion, then all the confusion, contradictions, and exceptionalism make sense. It functions like a religion, with supernatural beliefs (gendered essence), dogma, special language, blasphemy (misgendering, deadnaming), with themes of original sin (born in the wrong body), redemption, sacrifice etc etc.

[@AndyJarman]

In the inteo Kathleen omitted to explain Stonewall is very well finded by government grants. The establishment is funding queer theory - the dismantling of society.

[@averyintelligence]

Can u be trans without being sexist? I dont think its logically possible. Do trans people not realise how sexist they are

[@amberredish93]

Kathleen Stocks got the lot! Super woman 🦸‍♂️

[@pruelowden3536]

Bit irritating listening to the interviewer stumbling so painfully but Dr. Stock is supurb

[@splinterbyrd]

Today I identify as a trans aardvark called Fifi-Trixibelle🦒. Stop oppressing me😡

[@ladavid7963]

I remember when Boy Scouts was torn apart. Just listen to Stock as if she was defending Boy Scouts as being for boys.

[@theodorearaujo971]

Cornell is NOT at the forefront of establishing rationality in discussions in the Academy. Just the opposite.

[@fretbuzz59]

Five and half minutes of droning before Stock gets to say a word.

[@chiraagshah269]

Then we get to hear her drone on about nothing 😂

[@jl8217]

What a nice interviewer. Brought out the best from Prof Stock.

[@fusionspace175]

"It looks radical to those who wish to appear radical." Very true. In America I see two bigotries at war with one another, neither willing to admit both sides have good points about the other, and the search for truth is obscured by petty politics. At least we can split our states down the middle though, and people can have options. We never have to figure out who was right.

[@ambientjohnny]

Words communicate meaning, trying to change that meaning is trying to manipulate society, which is precisely what the misogynistic TRAs are trying to do - Males trying to erase all female sex-based rights and protections from society (some "activists" even go so far as to try claim that no sex-based rights have even existed in the first place). Framing it as society merely being upset about words not meaning what they want is egregiously dishonest, as redefining the term "woman" has profound ramifications across all of society and affects the entire female population. Redefining the term "woman" ONLY benefits the misogynistic males who want to usurp female rights and protections, it does not benefit one single female on the planet.

[@theodorearaujo971]

To the Narrator! PLEASE don't move or touch your mike. Please.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Trns say 'transphobia' the same way wmn say 'misogynist', to silence, to shame, to threaten, to demean, to damage reputation, to guilt, to isolate, to discredit

[@frusia123]

Is it the same way in which mn say "feminist"?

[@OrwellsHousecat]

@@frusia123 feminism is a psychopathology

[@chiraagshah269]

Why r w spkng wtht vwls?

[@smythharris2635]

​@@frusia123or femnysssst carnt u spel?

[@nurprimahidayah4620]

Just like you say feminist to silence women.

[@shabirmagami146]

I understand that medical intervention can potentially be very dangerous, but most of her talk is absolute prattle ...for a lesbian( who are marginalised themselves) to do such 'othering' is unfortunate ...Gender debate is about justice and equity rather than name calling and condescension that both the guest and the host amply display ....Judith Butler has more refined and well thought out arguments to support her claims ....the speaker doesn't have any of them ...sorry

[@ecyranot]

As a U. S. citizen, I wonder what kind of changes we would see in attitudes if we just make all bathrooms gender neutral. I don't see the big deal if I as a man have to share a space with women. On the other hand, I don't see why a person who has gone through male puberty should compete against women who have not and are obviously disadvantaged. This position to allow people to do this is an example of how the radicals will not give an inch, no matter how sensible.

[@ambientjohnny]

You, as a male, not minding sharing a space with women, does not mean females don't mind sharing a space with males.

[@danielmeixner7125]

15 minutes in and so far it is all focussed on her professional grievances. Not a persuasive way to start out your conversation. Are you interested in dispassionately discussing your thoughts on gender or what?

[@michelel.tolley3156]

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[@justinludeman8424]

If judith butler had a brain..... I know.... I don"care 😅

[@janebennetto5655]

❤🇬🇧

[@OrwellsHousecat]

She reminds me of DouglasMurray

[@ronderuiter3298]

Stop blaming men for this. The theory came from female dominated academia. A philosophy of feelings, not facts will give you all kinds of crazy ideas in the real world.

[@Cladina_Green]

Yes, we asked for it right? Porn sick autogynephiles are all OUR fault, because we are too sexy, right? Transhumanists have rewritten all the laws using "gender" to take away our sex-based rights because they are followers of feminist thought? Are we to be blamed as well for their robot wives, who will soon be given civil rights too, if they get their way? Because we are just a thought in a man's mind, a FEELING within a man's subjective experience, be that a feeling about himself or his robot, right? It's our fault because we won't shut up, so of course they turn elsewhere, to the tech, to meet their needs. You need to read the work of Jennifer Bilek.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

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[@jamakaya1332]

Can you point out where he or she blamed men? Dr. Stock acknowledges some strains of feminist thinking contributed.

[@Engrave.Danger]

Regardless of how things may have started, it's not women pretending to be women in women's spaces that are the problem, so if men aren't at all to blame, how about the men in dresses?

[@gisellemagraibhaigh8342]

Transhumanism wasnt created by feminism. Look much further back in history

[@TransGurl.VrilX.1488]

They taught grammar but nobody follows it's genesis. In addition they added a few words to standard vocabulary to the dictionary, and then urged decent etiquette. It happens. Get a grip! In the beginning God created the word and the word was with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made- John As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before the - Mark It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things, from the very first, to write uno thee in order, most excellent Theophilus- Luke When Herod heard these things, he was troubled - Matthew 😮

[@jamakaya1332]

Oh Lord...

[@jezdavis1865]

‘They taught grammar at school but nobody follows it’s genesis.’ - Begins by lecturing about grammar yet makes a grammatical mistake in the first sentence. You’ll forgive me if I don’t read further.

[@TransGurl.VrilX.1488]

@@jezdavis1865 which part. My articulation as a trans person has always be wopoor, but it goes like a fart in the wind here, rather the a whisper. I don't see it 😂. I won't hold you to it, but I don't like the implied impediment, stammer, or slur. However, rather suffer alone than under you. The world is upside down for your benefit. Enjoy.

[@jezdavis1865]

@@TransGurl.VrilX.1488 it’s should be its. Third person impersonal possessive pronoun. Regarding the rest of your text: less is more.

[@TransGurl.VrilX.1488]

@@jezdavis1865 thank you brother 💕

[@tracygeddes5867]

If terf fits then ……it is what it is!

[@banedon8087]

Although I agree with much of what is said, Kathleen Stock clearly has her own ideology rooted in feminism - which ironically helped all of this get pushed forward.

[@Engrave.Danger]

Feminism hasn't been a singular thing for quite some time. Which one are you referring to?

[@ellisdunegan]

I blame 3rd wave feminism.

[@banedon8087]

@@Engrave.Danger Intersectional feminism for the most part is where a lot of this stuff came from. That was an offshoot from feminism from back in the '60s.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Feminism is a psychopathology

[@Engrave.Danger]

@@banedon8087 a lot of feminists don't buy into the intersectional feminism model. It's not just an evolution of a concept that everyone agrees on. The various types of feminism seem to exist simultaneously. Some of them are quack jobs and some are kickass.

[@dvosburg1966]

I guess that if you can be a Tolkien scholar than anything is possible.

[@taraw3138]

Refer to Neurobiologist, Robert Sapolsky to scientifically understand why one can feel like their body doesn't match the gender they feel. Just bc you can't imagine it doesn't mean it's not true. Keep learning, keep expanding.

[@lechenaultia5863]

Ask Prof. Sapolsky whether he has ever seen any evidence of transgenderism in the primates he has studied all his life.

[@ambientjohnny]

NO ONE shares some exact "experience" of being a man or a woman, that is why we define a woman as an adult FEMALE, they are all of the same sex, that is what defines them. "Man" or "woman" are not some moral judgement or evaluation of how masculine or feminine they feel or present, it's simply about having a term to describe any adult human male and any adult human female. This obsession that the "trans" community has with redefining the terms to reflect how they feel etc. is totally pointless. There are no people who truly feel 100% comfortable all of the time, the idea of labelling people "cis" or "trans" is completely unnecessary, there is no "cis" experience and there is no "trans" experience, people are individuals, and as a whole the community fails to come up with any coherent explanation to define their redefinition of "woman" because you cannot come up with a definition that caters to every possibility. That is why the terms "man" and "woman" being rooted in physical reality is the only thing that makes sense, if there are no clear parameters for a definition then it cannot function as a definition. If anyone can identify as a grablar, and the only definition of being a grablar, is feeling like identifying as one, then you haven't defined grablar as anything at all. This is why it is also an obsession with creating more and more boxes. The terms "man" and "woman" encompass every possible personality, within physical boundaries, any man or woman is free to act, think, look, behave however they want, that they as individuals are labelled as men or women is purely about the physical - saying a man is an adult human male, and a woman an adult human female does not restrict anyone's self-expression, not wanting to acknowledge one's physical reality is a fool's errand, the sex someone is doesn't change based on how anyone feels or dresses - so it is the "trans" side that 100% is creating this false narrative that acknowledging a person's sex is somehow restrictive, they are the side saying men or women behave like this or that. I mean if they weren't doing that, then they would agree that the umbrella terms based on sex, man and woman, were perfectly fine - but they don't! They say no no, if someone doesn't FEEL like the sex they are, they can't be it, though they cannot explain what "feeling cis" even really means, because NO ONE shares the exact same experiences emotionally. What "they" are trying to do is swap a definition that has a physical basis, for a definition that is entirely rooted in feelings and often in validating sexist stereotypes associated with either sex. This "woman is a social construct" thing IS the part that validates and perpetuates sexist stereotypes - woman isn't a social construct in that sense, it is a word society has chosen yes, but to describe a PHYSICAL state of being, not anyone's emotional states or where they fall on some spectrum of masculinity or femininity. There is a fundamental misunderstanding here of what the definition of man and woman means. The notion that people need to live up to sexist stereotypes of what "real men" or "real women" are, is complete fantasy. The fact that many people act as if sexist stereotypes were valid ways of measuring "real men" or real women" is a problem with the individual and their sexist bias, not with the terms themselves, as the terms themselves have none of the expectational baggage that people who internalise sexist stereotypes associate with them.

[@ambientjohnny]

@@RaduLefter-h3n Words communicate meaning, trying to change that meaning is trying to manipulate society, which is precisely what the misogynistic TRAs are trying to do - Males trying to erase all female sex-based rights and protections from society (some "activists" even go so far as to try claim that no sex-based rights have even existed in the first place). Framing it as society merely being upset about words not meaning what they want is egregiously dishonest, as redefining the term "woman" has profound ramifications across all of society and affects the entire female population. Redefining the term "woman" ONLY benefits the misogynistic males who want to usurp female rights and protections, it does not benefit one single female on the planet.

[@mikescollard6499]

Sapolsky can't or won't define what the cause or percentage of that is. Requires further investigation for valid conclusions.

[@paulwary]

A lot more people might agree with her if “moral defect as the only explanation for dissent” had not been the go-to tactic of feminism since it began.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Wokeness 1.0 Feminism. Wokeness 2.0 Intersectional Feminism. Feminism Ruins Everything.

[@jamakaya1332]

Hardly.

[@fretbuzz59]

Well, no. But baseless assertions do.

[@benshithero3037]

Sexologist like thinking tends genuinely quite easily go off the deep end

[@ApacheMagic]

Which is why we are in this mess. Thanks, John Money.

[@HarryBuxley]

Gender studies came about from feminism studies. I'm sure Kathleen is a nice and smart person, but I think we should stop taking advice and consultations from [past] radical feminist lesbians on what it is correct for the 99% of population who are not lesbians nor radical. Same goes for Julie Blindel. They are documented to be highly biased against men and heterosexual relationships. Why are we turning to these people for comment on the topic of what is a healthy sexual relationship for 99% of the population? If you go by experience, these are some of the least qualified people around, and worse, have been part of the movement who brought this in.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

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[@jamakaya1332]

At no point in this discussion or in any other presentation that I've seen her in has Dr. Stock advised people on what kind of sexual relationships to have. She is not a relationship counselor! Where are you getting this? This is an academic conversation about gender ideology.

[@mariGentle]

I’m not sure you’ve actually listened to what Dr Stock is actually saying. She is highly qualified to talk about this and she is not emotive. Perhaps you don’t want to hear a conflicting message to your own ideology?

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

She is not and has never been a radical feminist. Did you even listen to the interview? She states this explicitly.

[@alh915]

​@@mariGentlethese people never do- they just troll women because they want to blame women for the bad behaviour of some men.

[@robleahy5759]

Judith Butler with go fast stripes. And a heavy drinker, which shows.

[@ApacheMagic]

Wtf?

[@ambientsoda106]

I think your all far too right winged in thinking and cant accept freedom... Whats it matter if a person desires and undergoes a transitition: why are you so venomously opposed? Stock was the target of students protests, because of the vile things she said, she made education an unsafe space - and it is a shame none of you understand this? You can't call all trans people rapists, delusionary, fake identities and etc as a lecturer in education because you will lead on bullying behaviours or worse...

[@ambientjohnny]

Words communicate meaning, trying to change that meaning is trying to manipulate society, which is precisely what the misogynistic TRAs are trying to do - Males trying to erase all female sex-based rights and protections from society (some "activists" even go so far as to try claim that no sex-based rights have even existed in the first place). Framing it as society merely being upset about words not meaning what they want is egregiously dishonest, as redefining the term "woman" has profound ramifications across all of society and affects the entire female population. Redefining the term "woman" ONLY benefits the misogynistic males who want to usurp female rights and protections, it does not benefit one single female on the planet.

[@TheSapphire51]

Oh you are so easily deluded.

[@ambientsoda106]

@@TheSapphire51 how so?

[@germalina9879]

At what point did Stock, or anyone say " all trans people are rapists "? Can you provide a quote, a paper, a time stamp in this video, anything, ever? No you won't be able to because she didn't. Are u wilfully misunderstanding the logic here, or do you just not get it?

[@ambientjohnny]

@@ambientsoda106 No one can be "born in the wrong body", our brains ARE our body just as much as any other part of it. We are the sex we are, regardless of what our personal relationship is with the sexist stereotypes in society. "Trans" ideology, is regressive and sexist, as there is no "correct way" of being a boy or girl, man or woman, all those terms do is indicate sex and stage of maturity - decoupling sex and gender and trying to make gender into this ludicrous concoction of personality and sexist stereotypes is beyond regressive - it actively harms people who buy into it - the idea that there is something wrong with a kid's body that needs to be chemically altered because they believe living up to sexist stereotypes is some real measure of whether they are a boy or a girl (and man or woman for adults obviously), is insanity. I have asked hundreds of "activists" and "allies" to explain what they are measuring themselves against to determine that they have a need to transition - NOT ONE person has been able to articulate what that is - not one person is able to distance themselves sufficiently to realise that THEY are the ones with a regressively sexist idea of what it means to be a boy/girl or man/woman and that that is the issue causing all the problems - their own misunderstanding and severely limited perspective/sexist misunderstanding of what sexist stereotypes/"gender norms" actually entail - they are not rules, they are not real boundaries, they are regressive ideas and generalisations - no one needs to live up to any such utter nonsense or feel comfortable with those stereotypes to be a boy/girl/man/woman - all those terms represent, and all they should represent, is sex and stage of maturity - by creating this whole "gender identity" nonsense, THAT IS WHAT CAUSES ALL THE DISTRESS, THIS FABRICATION OF A FRAMEWORK WHICH DISTORTS REALITY. No one - NO ONE - in the movement has been able to explain or articulate what this supposed "womanly essence" or "manly essence" is that they feel/know/need to transition in order to represent etc. actually is - yet you all actively believe in it and push for it to be accepted. That is ludicrous.

[@opinion3742]

Witch Hunt eh? Academia has fallen along way. This is bog standard reactionary moral panic.

[@ambientjohnny]

Please explain why society should respect male feelings more than the material rights of the entire female sex?

[@opinion3742]

@@ambientjohnny I can't answer that question because it is a piece of bigotry. But I can tell you why trans women should have the same rights as all other women.

[@ambientjohnny]

@@opinion3742 Sex-based rights - the thing you want to erase to appease male feelings. 100% misogyny. A woman is an adult human female. Adult human MALES cannot be women.

[@RM-xr8lq]

@@ambientjohnny you are confusing biological reproductive role with the concept of gender under secular ethnography

[@ambientjohnny]

​@@RM-xr8lq No, I am highlighting the fact that males claiming to identify as "trans women" are misogynists who want their feelings to override the material rights and physical reality of all females. Are you another one of those activists who claim no sex-based rights have ever existed?

[@Missfredawallace]

This is nonsense from start to finish

[@zeldagoblin]

Not that you're biased, or anything like that, eh, Fred?

I keep hearing the guys's breath. He should turn off his mic when listening