Forget the haters, it's your money, you earned it and I bet it's the thrill of a lifetime for you to be able to use it for these moments. Thanks for sharing
@sonnyseabury4051 Жыл бұрын
Just jealous, insecure, and miserable people. Geno is a very good man and beautiful human being, both Him and His Family. I know his story and read abiut it quite a while back. Geno fought battles in life that most people would lose. He never gave up, and he became a better man and person because of it. All of these preconceived ideas that people have, regarding how easy Geno's life was, are very distorted and inaccurate. The man works and talks business from when he wakes up, to when he goes to bed. When most people are having after work cocktails or beers, Geno is still grinding and working. Nobody gave him Anything. He's selfmade and has worked his ass off for everything he has. He earned it through Hard Work. Geno and I have somethings in common, regarding personal battles, that we were both highly blessed to make it out of. I love Geno and His Family to death, and wish them all of the prosperity, wealth, and good health he can get out of life. We are all owed What We Work Hard For. No More. No Less. Much love and respect for you, Geno. I admire the hell out of you and look up to you. You have an amazing story. From Sonny Seabury in New Orleans, La.
@jeffreyknight3884 Жыл бұрын
They ripped people off from their lip syncing concerts... Good, they're gone.
@bodavis9586 Жыл бұрын
@@jeffreyknight3884people new going into these shows they were lip syncing so no KISS didn’t rip anyone off
@massapower Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY!!😎👍🏻
@massapower Жыл бұрын
@@jeffreyknight3884PROVE IT !!🙄😏
@erockscott1184 Жыл бұрын
That is one beautiful finish on that bass that family is lucky to have that!!❤❤❤
@MARK-f4p8g Жыл бұрын
GUITARS ARE TOO PERFECT FROM PAUL AND GENE. TO HAVE BEEN SHIPPED AND PLAYED AROUND THE WORLD. TAKEN IN OUT CASES A COUPLE HUNDRED TIMES FOR COUPLE YEARS. YET NOT ONE SCRATCH OR CHIP. HIGHLY UNLIKELY THESE ARE THE REAL DEAL. JUST COPIES FOR CASH IN TRUE GENE PAUL FASHION AND AS FAKE AS THEIR SINGING
@carlnoble1491 Жыл бұрын
Thank you gene and kiss for all the wonderful years of music!! Grew up listening to Kiss. Kiss will always have a special place in my heart!! God bless all of you!!
@Tbonesbilly Жыл бұрын
I love this went to a fan. Not stored in a box to be lost or sold way after Gene is gone. Thanks for being cool enough to share the experience!
@michaelhartzell9758 Жыл бұрын
I give them damn credit. They came from nothing to become legendary . No one but KISS would go out with This much of a bang.. ❤
@smokeybear5460 Жыл бұрын
What about the fans though? Talk about screwing them over.
@RRW276 Жыл бұрын
@@smokeybear5460 How so? You'd be hard pressed to ever find a band that has been so good to their fans as KISS. They've always recognized they are where they are and KISS is what is because of the fans. As far as the merch and the money, there's something for everyone. KISS, their music, and the fans have done something you'll never see again in any band or music. I think even the critics who despise the band recognize this.
@JuicyTaz201 Жыл бұрын
This fan is great. Has no problem making jokes at the expense of Gene. I love it.
@jagmark10 Жыл бұрын
Thank you to the family for this video! That's what I call a bass! I think John Entwistle (R.I.P.) would have liked the shape of it as he had a big armor collection. Here's what I'd do: I'd get a guitar builder to spray a few layers of clear coat over the back to protect the signature. Imagine letting someone play this actual bass on a recording session for an album, that would be pretty cool! Just letting people play it would be awesome! Gene is without a doubt one of the greatest rock n' roll bassists. His bass lines were always fun and creative.
@erockscott1184 Жыл бұрын
I actually got to play one of John Entwistles basses....it was fluke meeting with his nephew after a gig of mine. He took me back to his place and he pulled the bass out of the flight case....it was his red Buzzard bass. The body was cracked because his nephew told me John got in an argument with Roger Daltrey at a soundcheck he threw it on the ground before stomping off the stage 😂
@joerectifier2 ай бұрын
Your daughter’s are precious, brother. God bless! I am a very solid Kiss fan, but love that you brought your kids to enjoy the day and spend good family time on a joyous occasion - great work mom and dad!
@WoodsboroPunk11 ай бұрын
Love the banter between you & Gene haha God I wish I had the money to have done something like this. I have a few guitar picks & drum sticks from various concerts I’ve gone to but a stage used bass/guitar from any of my favorite artists would be the dream. Thanks for sharing these videos with us man!
@mrjohntheo154 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations on your purchase. Kiss will always be my favourite band.
@ok2bfriends Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this moment... Just Awesome. 🥰🥰🥰
@frehleyrox Жыл бұрын
Fantastic. One comment about all the remarks you've received regarding "money": CUDOS to you. Don't ever make excuses for what you've accomplished in life. The problem with people now days is they are too accustomed to receiving "participation trophies" and feel equally deserving to get what the next guy gets without putting in the work. That is one beautiful bass!!
@lubejobs42 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for that!
@franciscast1 Жыл бұрын
So COOL!!!!! I’m so happy for you Gino. I’d love to see the collection someday.
@jerryreynolds815111 ай бұрын
How many times have we heard this is the last time?!! 6 months from now, new tour...
@sjnix7044 Жыл бұрын
I'm not a KISS fan but I recognize legendary merch when I see it. If you never earn another dollar in your life, your KIDS will be just fine in the future.
@vegasaxeman Жыл бұрын
Gino, you're an awesome KISS fan, but what I really love about you is that you're an awesome FAMILY MAN too! The look on your kids' faces was unparalleled! You are an awesome father too, my friend! Please tell me where you have your businesses located. I would love to patronize your shops! And tell my family and friends also! God bless and take care, my friend...
@lubejobs42 Жыл бұрын
That’s so nice of you to say thank you. I’m based in South Florida. Businesses I have down here are Oil Can Man, some Burger Fi, restaurants, and Blue Halo lighting on a national basis. Thank you so much for a nice comments.
@vegasaxeman Жыл бұрын
@lubejobs42 It was my pleasure, Gino. It's too bad that you don't have anything in Vegas... My name is Jim. If you're ever in my neck of the woods, I would consider it an honor to buy you a beverage of your liking! God bless and take care, my friend...
@ireneerrico4706 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the years of priceless entertainment. Rock on.💥💥💥💥💥💥💥🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@stevew6910 Жыл бұрын
My last words to Gene would be Thanks for the memories
@polsey74 Жыл бұрын
Well said. If I had the money I would do the same thing in heartbeat. You can't take it with you so to be able to see the band you love the way you were able to is something I know I would cherish til the day I'm in the ground.
@JustinSmithPYRO Жыл бұрын
That is awesome 🤘🤘 congrats on getting that bass and having gene signed it. Met Paul year's back on his art tour. Got him to sign a pick guard for a Les Paul I had. Still kicking my ass for selling it. Long story why I sold it. But awesome video. And that is one badass lookin axe 🤘🤘
@screamengine Жыл бұрын
Try telling anyone in that room that the American dream isn't real! And those kids there will always remember what is possible. So nice to see! Congrats on your acquisitions, Gino! I hope You & Your Family have a grand Christmas. :)
@lubejobs42 Жыл бұрын
thank you so much for the nice comments! Merry Christmas
@curious2624 Жыл бұрын
There is nothing to be ashamed about. You don’t need to justify your access to these once in a lifetime moments. You earned the right to spend as much as you want and enjoy life to the fullest.
@cbkidd Жыл бұрын
VERY COOL!! I have never heard of you Gino. But am very happy for you. I am 61 and never been to a rock concert. I have lisened to rock n roll all my life. So many people. Take care.
@ledhed5553 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations Gino! Good on you for doing what you enjoy. Your family seems to be very supportive🫶. Eff the naysayers 👊 Gene is a legend and has also worked hard for everything he’s earned!
@toddmoore2324 Жыл бұрын
That bass looked fantastic on stage!
@MARK-f4p8g Жыл бұрын
GUITARS ARE TOO PRISTINE TO HAVE BEEN PLAYED AROUND THE WORLD FOR A COUPLE YEARS. NOT ONE CHIP OR SCRATCH. ???
@WoodsboroPunk11 ай бұрын
@@MARK-f4p8gthis was only used at the last show I believe
@Tarheelsrule Жыл бұрын
Many Times I Seen Kiss In Evansville Indiana Roberts Stadium it was great Gene no one could have done it any better time to relax until you're ready to go again and if you do decide to do it again the fans will be waiting ( KISS ARMY)
@DoktorDamage Жыл бұрын
That bass looks awesome! Congrats sir.
@cyclonesfan9169 Жыл бұрын
Congrats to you Gino. Not gonna lie, I got a little emotional watching this.
@OlinKreutzRules Жыл бұрын
I don’t care where I’m at or what I’m doing but legit, every time I hear Gene’s voice, I immediately think about the time when Gene went on the Stern Show and Craig Gass was impersonating Gene. So damn funny!!!!
@PaulGlancy-fp7ob11 ай бұрын
The guy cant help but touch your ass Simmons! He'd have needed to stand six feet away to not touch it, its that big, bit like your head! From a former KISS fan, yes and my very first concert as a 17 yr old KISS at the Glasgow Appolo 27th October 1983 lol! As an 18th birthday present i also went to Brussels to see the same show basically 13th November 1983. My birthday is 25th November, so it csme early. One thing i do wish id never lost was this 12 inch single of "Creatures of the night, and Rock n Roll all nite" and both the songs were on one side, the other side was blank, and signed by Gene, Paul, Ace and most importantly "Wee Eric Carr" Rest in Peace! Such a humble young man.x.
@stanlee-eq7lu Жыл бұрын
That's an heirloom to be handed down from parent to children for generations. The joke about Gene charging the people admission from their homes was hilarious. You can tell even Gene loved it. Goodbye Gene. Thanks for all the decades the music of KISS touched me, regardless of who was in the band. Enjoy retirement, you earned it.
@33andonethirdrecords Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Hope you and your family enjoy your Christmas.
@lubejobs42 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! You too!
@33andonethirdrecords Жыл бұрын
You’re welcome. Thanks. I had tickets, vip meet and greet, pre show for Knoxville, but sadly Paul was under the weather, so I couldn’t see / meet them. I’ve seen them in the 70s - early 2000s.
@LuisMorales-xr1gm Жыл бұрын
Congrats on buying all these guitars. You work hard, you should be able to enjoy the fruits of your labor. Your family are the people who count ,so if they don't have a problem with it, then nobody else should , and if they do , OH WELL!!!
@HOFNetminder35 Жыл бұрын
Great purchase! Did he include the strap and a couple dozen picks as well?
@lubejobs42 Жыл бұрын
Yes he did!!!
@ChristiandeMesones Жыл бұрын
I really wanted to bid on this particular bass. I love the Red chrome on this. God bless!
@user-cruton Жыл бұрын
Awesome thanks for sharing
@user-tt6be2zx3h Жыл бұрын
bit emotional at that clip's end really! "don't touch my a$$!" 😂😎 gotta love the man! frankly, i think really that was it, Dec 2, 2023, the last tour date live concert for KISS , 1973 - 2023 , what a beautiful, cinderella-like ending tour from the dynamic duo ;)
@exutechs Жыл бұрын
The Bass he uses at his final show will be priceless. They will play again. Mark my words….
@TranceMasterJack Жыл бұрын
He's gonna sell his avatar bass too but ya have to buy 2 packs of air guitar strings to go with it. 🦙
@MasterSumai Жыл бұрын
Let's hope not! We have enough of lip syncing, backing tracks, and artists such as Kiss that don't write alot of their own music, and cannot sing!
@luxdico Жыл бұрын
thx 4 all the videos, these signed instruments will be so much worth in a few years. So Kiss invested 200 millions in these avatars, woaw! these avatars do look gr8, but Starchild looks a bit unfamiliar.
@kawada1 Жыл бұрын
I love that Gene mentions Peppa Pig to the youngest girl and then when he finds out she has outgrown it his reaction 😊
@jonesygw Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@lubejobs42 Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@chrisgibson888211 ай бұрын
C'est très touchant❤ Par contre, une bise n'a jamais tué personne, arrêtez donc ces 🤜🤛 😂 Merci KISS, vous faites partie de l'histoire du rock au plus haut niveau, et nos jeunes ont de belles réferences pour l'avenir, ce qui devient rare 😊🪓🎸🇫🇷
@monstermania1 Жыл бұрын
Curious, why do you have them sign the back of the guitars rather than the front? You have an amazing collection. Congrats to you Gino!
@leokimvideo Жыл бұрын
That Bass is priceless. Up there with Paul McCartney's Beatles song set list Hofner Bass
@finch45lear Жыл бұрын
Sure it is.
@PatrickRyder-k1n Жыл бұрын
Gene needs the money
@richardnye3756 Жыл бұрын
...the difference is, Paul McCartney knows how to play,the bass, Gene Simmons sucks!
@stanlee-eq7lu Жыл бұрын
But Gene's bass is way cooler looking.
@stanlee-eq7lu Жыл бұрын
@@richardnye3756- Before criticizing Gene, criticize a bunch of other famous bass guitar players. They suck as compared to someone like the great Jazz double bass player Ron Carter. He played for Miles Davis in the 1960s as well as other Jazz bands throughout the years and is still going strong.
@billyshane380411 ай бұрын
Kiss Army Ace Peter Gene and Paul
@joefilipelli3867 Жыл бұрын
This is probably more like "the fork in the road" tour.. they'll be back, they don't know how to do anything but tour and someone will give them a giant bag of cash to do "one last tour"... congrats on all your great stuff my man!!!
@garrypelletier1641 Жыл бұрын
I'm honestly shocked they haven't thought of grooming Nick and Evan to replace their dad's to play with Tommy and Eric which each have a good 10yrs left. I think fans would pay to see the bloodline continue this party. They would be big shoes to fill but wheather we like it or not Tommy and Eric made it possible for KISS to continue for the last 2 decades or so they are absolutely part of this history of the success of the band. I definitely think it's not over and I'm not talking holograms.
@ADuckOnQuack97 Жыл бұрын
How are you shocked? Nick has sung a coup,e songs here and there but I don’t classify him as a musician. Evan has bigger dreams of his own than to play his dad in his dads band…..personally, I think it’d be a huge disservice to have their kids “groomed” into kiss. They have their own lives.
@garrypelletier1641 Жыл бұрын
@ADuckOnQuack97 I absolutely agree with you they do have their own lives and aspirations I'm sure but kiss stopped being a band a long time ago. It's a brand a billion dollar brand. Just saying if they wanted to keep the live shows going to give generations to come the actual experience of being at a Kiss show. You will never ever see a live show like that again and it's something if you have a chance should experience once in your lifetime. To me it would be better than holograms no matter how good they look. But yes I agree they have their own lives but would be a better option than looking for cover band replacements if they thought of bringing live shows back down the road. It's pretty much been the same shows for the last 2 decades
@timkis6411 ай бұрын
it must be hell being 75 years old on stage singing songs written from a 12 year old boys point of view.
@RightBetweenTheEyesPodcast Жыл бұрын
i love that color!
@Zzzzzzzzzzzzz45810 ай бұрын
Reparei que você quase chorou quando Gene te abraçou Você foi muito forte eu teria ido as lagrimas na mesma hora kkkkkkkkkk
@shanemartin8904 Жыл бұрын
That is a nice looking bass
@shokid95 Жыл бұрын
How much did this cost
@elvinposey5251 Жыл бұрын
My fav KISS items I have are original 74 Rolling Stone ad for first album singed by Gene. A original 1980 Ludwig ad signed by Eric Carr. and original Creatures of the Night tour shirts from the New Orleans Superdome dome show that are in mint condition. I had a 1980 Gene Axe 6 string guitar in mind condition I sold to Hard Rock in Florida. I am keeping the rest. I would never pay to meet and greet and get things signed by them or anybody! I am a fan and if I support your band and show up you should meet greet sign for free.
@Alessandro.Borghi Жыл бұрын
Sad to say goodbye😢❤
@ericl7842 Жыл бұрын
What a moment. Enjoy!
@scirasco1 Жыл бұрын
U may give gene money but very few artists are as touchy feely as gene even after they got the money
@aggiecooper12 Жыл бұрын
This is good bull. I love hearing positive news about people I idolize. 🤟🤟👍
@BriansFunHouse Жыл бұрын
Very cool.
@PEBelarus Жыл бұрын
Cool base. Gene Simmons is a Giant Who even understands about writing Torah. It's a sign. Enjoy your time, Gene. How about fig trees?
@EdwardStrong-r2f Жыл бұрын
Did your Show 3 times Eddie the Stagehand good luck in the Future now relax with the Family my friends thanks for everything you do make people Happy 😂😂😂
@BobDuda Жыл бұрын
So awesome!
@jeffhurley756 Жыл бұрын
Where will you have it for sale? Ebay?
@rogerward1493 Жыл бұрын
Gino is a great guy with a big heart!
@crazyralph6386 Жыл бұрын
I’m sure there’s another 10,000 “Gene’s last bass guitar” being mass produced as we speak! 😂
@shoeplayisbad1 Жыл бұрын
Plus on the next tour he will have another one
@balkee42 Жыл бұрын
@@shoeplayisbad1and the tour after that one
@lubejobs42 Жыл бұрын
I sure hope so that will make mine that much more special, knowing that they copied it
@JACOBSJohn81811 ай бұрын
To give yourself of fans and your precious time. Cannot hate on that. Gene your good people.
@PhillipC01 Жыл бұрын
Why did he have him to sign the back of the base? If it's ever played the signature will get rubbed off. And if it's on display, the signature won't ever be seen unless it's in a see through case that you can walk around. Even Gene was taken back but said, you're the boss.
@willywayne5299 Жыл бұрын
He’s not going to play it,you could display back showing but from front it’s untouched and perfect,
@lubejobs42 Жыл бұрын
These guitars I buy from Paul and the bases that I buy from Gene are not one time played, they’re usually played over years or for a special show. They do not just sign them. They write little messages or song, lyrics or best wishes, or what makes that guitar special as well as signing it. There’s not that much room on the front and it would look like shit and take away from the look of the beautiful guitar. That’s why they write on the back of them for me. Have you ever gone to Hardrock and seen a guitar on display with writing all over the front of it?
@MrZombiechild666 Жыл бұрын
Cool video. Thanks for sharing
@franklinfx Жыл бұрын
threres 50 of em for sale rt now... get your piece of pisstory today!
@Adam_K_W Жыл бұрын
God Bless you! I have one of Paul's stage used Washburn guitars from the 2003 farewell tour that was a loner from Washburn to the tour and then returned (thus it was never for sale by the band). It's just awesome! Very cool that you had the opportunity to do this!
@lubejobs42 Жыл бұрын
that is very cool! Treasure it and enjoy it! Thank you for the nice comments
@markusmuller15 Жыл бұрын
Wow 🤩🤩🤩 Well done Gitarre👌
@jens2539 Жыл бұрын
How was it able for you to buy his bass guitar?
@stevebalmer111 Жыл бұрын
GENE auctioned it off a couple months ago on his website. I forgot to see what the final price was.
@joker57 Жыл бұрын
Lol
@joefilipelli3867 Жыл бұрын
@@BuffaloProsand gene was probably pissed that's all it brought in an auction.. wouldn't have been surprised if Gene himself bid on it just to drive up the price
@jens2539 Жыл бұрын
@@stevebalmer111 Intresting, thank you. I am not really a Kiss fan or expert. So do you know how often he used this particular bass? Only for this tour or a few years?
@martinkasper197 Жыл бұрын
@@jens2539It looked relatively new to me... So he might have played it on 1 or 2 songs...💰💰💰💰...🤣🤣🤣
@raulrodriguez310 Жыл бұрын
Gene one of the coolest guys I've ever met!!! God Bless Always...
@GrouchoTM Жыл бұрын
Love that axe bass!
@electricianron_New_Jersey Жыл бұрын
How much is that experience $10-12k?
@theshield2207 Жыл бұрын
Im 100% this was on December 4th 2 days after their final shows i checked and it was $4,500 for like you and 3 guests if i can remember correctly
@lubejobs42 Жыл бұрын
actually, they didn’t have any packages for the last two Madison Square Garden shows due to the amount of celebrities, press, family, and friends that attended the show since it was the last. I purchased guitars from Paul, this space from Gene and the drum from Eric so on December 3 I met with each one of them and their hotel room for them to sign everything for me and so we can take pictures with them and the instruments.
@nickkuhl3426 Жыл бұрын
@@lubejobs42 you must know the mgmt very well being able to do that :-)
@kawada1 Жыл бұрын
Awesome and the avatars will get better
@brandeejensen12707 ай бұрын
Thats awesome 👌
@davidemmons3965 Жыл бұрын
The last show....until the next one
@javierandrada1620 Жыл бұрын
Buenísimo yo tube el honor de que me firmara mi guitarra y fotos, un momento único gracias,
@markwood338911 ай бұрын
How much did that cost?
@bubblegumorchestraMLH Жыл бұрын
Awesome Gino!!!!
@heikefederl191311 ай бұрын
Kiss wird es nicht aushalten ohne Live Auftritte. Wollen wir wetten, wann Kiss wieder auf der Bühne steht ? ❤😍😘🥰
@Durwo0d Жыл бұрын
"The very last Kiss show." You suckers are falling for it again😂
@kurtbarlow9402 Жыл бұрын
Nice score.
@LUCAKISSLUCA Жыл бұрын
Magnifico!!!!!!!
@NightWarriorAlive11 ай бұрын
What was that at the end? Gene's face on an oil can? Lube It Up!
@JoeBilello196911 ай бұрын
So when he plays again do you get to sue him for misrepresentation 😮
@jameskerr210 Жыл бұрын
Awesome
@melovemusic69 Жыл бұрын
Who is this guy that gets this guitar?
@AlmostReady504 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how much$
@chrismoller427211 ай бұрын
NO ONE had more moxy than these guys. NO MORE TOURS
@mikeyinsin Жыл бұрын
Whoever took this video got more of the ceiling then the bass
@guitarstorms Жыл бұрын
Amazing guy and amazing band....
@Coppercustomz Жыл бұрын
1:08 how could that lady find rtd2 annoying ??
@yanblondin749011 ай бұрын
Anf next year they will announce the 87th final farewell tour
@HocusPocusFocus69 Жыл бұрын
Legend!
@acelarson1872 Жыл бұрын
KISS did the End OF The Road Tour but that doesn't mean they would ever play again just not tour, I have heard from a very good source that talks are in the way for Vegas shows, again not touring but playing select gigs.
@Cfolger Жыл бұрын
I reiterate some kiss fans aren't too bright, I imagine this guy paidtl the price of a small house for that "last played bass"
@davebranham345 Жыл бұрын
Did he really play it ?
@stephenmcgraw8871 Жыл бұрын
This may be a stupid question,but why do you have the guys signing the back? Again,sorry for my ignorance....
@lubejobs42 Жыл бұрын
These guitars I buy from Paul and the bases that I buy from Gene are not one time played, they’re usually played over years or for a special show. They do not just sign them. They write little messages or song, lyrics or best wishes, or what makes that guitar special as well as signing it. There’s not that much room on the front and it would look like shit and take away from the look of the beautiful guitar. That’s why they write on the back of them for me. Have you ever gone to Hardrock and seen a guitar on display with writing all over the front of it?
@stephenmcgraw8871 Жыл бұрын
@@lubejobs42 No,I`ve never been to Hard Rock......Thanx for answering the question----just wondering "out loud",that`s all........
@JohnnyRingo.44 Жыл бұрын
God of Thunder ⚡💥 greatest bass player in Rock and roll
@allendionnelastcall3749 Жыл бұрын
That's hilarious!!!
@JohnnyRingo.44 Жыл бұрын
@@allendionnelastcall3749 if you really understood music you would know in music there is only a favorite. I remember seeing Gene Simmons in the 70's. He also comes with great theatrics. If I think Engelbert Humperdinck is the best guitarist in the world I'm correct for me. In the world of music your comment is considered ugly
@allendionnelastcall374911 ай бұрын
@@JohnnyRingo.44 That comment was even more ridiculous than your first one.
@JohnnyRingo.4411 ай бұрын
@@allendionnelastcall3749 to you of course as I said you don't know anything about music you're clueless
@JohnnyRingo.4411 ай бұрын
@@allendionnelastcall3749 🤣
@johnnyringo8174 Жыл бұрын
The farewell tour was 20 years ago. Its just been a tribute to themselves act since then.