Just to be clear: I'm not saying they have been the meta this entire time, good IRCCM have been for the past like, 9 months. I'm just saying in terms of radar missiles 🙏
@patriktoth62583 ай бұрын
In BVR or what? Not much gonna change if the speed and tracking still goes for the R27. I don't know about the newer ones,but maybe the MICA will be the new meta,but it doesn't means that the R27 is rendered useless
@meki___68813 ай бұрын
yea just getting replaced by r77
@PyroRaptor8413 ай бұрын
Another point on the Datalinks; The R-27s are/were the only missiles with 'Reconnect_datalink' meaning you can fire them, completely shut off your radar, and then turn it on again later and have both the SARH homing AND update the Datalink. The Phoenixes by contrast do not reconnect to the Datalink if you ever lose track of the enemy they were targeting, no matter what.
@SenkkoAnon3 ай бұрын
Proposal for Germany: 1. Things that could be added to Germany: Panzerhaubitze 2000, Skyranger 30, Spähpanzer Luchs, Eurofighter prototype, MBB Lampyridae 2. Austrian ground sub-tree for Germany: Pandur 1 & 2 variants, including the Pandur 2 105mm, the ASCOD variants, with 30mm gun and guided missiles, or just a 40mm, 4K-7FA variants, SK 105 A1, A2, and A3 variants, Pinzgauer Mistral, Pinzgauer 106mm, Noricum SM-4, as well as some Swiss MOWAG variants Austria bought. For low-tier, we have: Steyr Prototyp, Steyr ADGZ, Austrian air tree for Germany: Saab 35 Draken, Saab 105Ö, Saab 29 Tunnan, De Havilland Vampire, De Havilland Venom, and a Swiss Pilatus PC-7. 3. Swiss ground tree for Germany: Various Swiss vehicles, plenty of light tanks, too long to write here. Swiss air sub-tree: Swiss F/A-18 Hornet (Which Germany desperately needs), Pilatus PC-7 (also owned by Austria), BAe Hawk, Milan, F-5, Mirage III, FFA P-16, DOFLUG D803 and D802, Venom, Vampire, Mosquito, EKW planes!
@-..----.--.-...3 ай бұрын
@@SenkkoAnon Germany already has 5 branches in air tree, so it most likely won't get any sub tree :(
@christianchristiansen71173 ай бұрын
2 R-27ET/ER for fingering plane's at 20+ plus kilometres and 4 R-77 for shooting at 10 kilometers.
@kashikaze91292 ай бұрын
27et hitting at 20+? lmfao
@ratsaranstudio63912 ай бұрын
@@kashikaze9129 It can actually hit 60km+ in a perfect condition
@kashikaze91292 ай бұрын
@@ratsaranstudio6391 Every engagement in this game (Air RB) is the furthest thing away from perfect conditions lol. Mostly under 500m except for a couple maps which put you at 2k, still not great. edit: accidentally said km instead of m lol
@Libarate173 ай бұрын
That P-36 kill at the end lol. People thinking they are funny bringing props into top tier. Lee is like 'The future is now old man'
@jdreyes37453 ай бұрын
I will never forget that time I locked something on my F-14A's TWS, firing it while thinking "How the hell is he flying towards me at such a low speed?" And then the killfeed revealing it to be an Me 264. Oh so "funny" indeed.
@ttvkyberwolf66593 ай бұрын
I find it funny to launch AIM-9M’s at prop planes because there is nothing they can do about them 😂
@GeneralLee20003 ай бұрын
Stop uptiering props it's not funny 🪴
@102ndsmirnov73 ай бұрын
Sure it might not be funny, but teamkilling them is also just dumb.
@ryox823 ай бұрын
It's always worth the SL to deal with those clowns.
@Registered_Simp3 ай бұрын
Allot of people saying "Nah, R-27ER will be better anyway because it has more range" have completely missed the point. It's not about range anymore. That's no longer your primary metric for a missile being better. These new Fox-3's that are coming have almost everything BESIDES range over ER (acceleration too, but the gap is smaller). The addition of an active seeker already opens the door to tactics you just straight up cannot do with Fox-1's. You just flat out have more options along with a missile that has more than enough range itself. That and them being even more maneuverable means you can take even crazier close-in shots than you could with ER. To think ER will still dominate in the face of such capability is straight wack
@ryanbeach52313 ай бұрын
what will change is the efficacy of the gripen and other planes that mostly rely on fox 2s. the strategy of "orbital striking" will be a lot less effective now that many more radar missiles will be in the air. staying on the deck will be more meta than ever and there people are a lot more aware of incoming fox 2s. since we arent getting the gripen e yet either, it will still only have 6 missiles and will likely fall further from the meta. but honestly that plane has been on the decline lately as despite is massive overperformance, i dont see gripen players doing particularly well anymore. maybe thats because after all the initial hype surrounding the gripen wallet warriors flocked to sweden and subsequently made the teams a lot worse
@justinsears75432 ай бұрын
Honestly the fact that more people are going to have to counter harder to counter radar missiles is going to outdate them in terms of how the fames played completely
@BugattiONE6663 ай бұрын
..Are We.....supposed to be sad?
@ryanfreeman50833 ай бұрын
Yeah, you are gonna lose your "Russia OP" excuse
@Ambush_yt3 ай бұрын
@@ryanfreeman5083 Finally 💀People will stop crying everywhere
@mikeyplayzwrld3 ай бұрын
@@ryanfreeman5083I think you forget the R27ER still outranges these first gen fox 3s. Keep coping though you Russia players have the best missiles in the game and are still crying.
@bruhhhhmoment48483 ай бұрын
@@ryanfreeman5083but yall still have r73 that’s better than the 9m and the r27 still out ranges and is quicker than the 120
@-..----.--.-...3 ай бұрын
@@mikeyplayzwrld I mostly see american mains crying on reddit and forum
@toothlessDJErcik3 ай бұрын
I can't imagine Gaijin adding R-27EA to the game lol
@mikeyplayzwrld3 ай бұрын
Hopefully the Phoenixes get their buffs and we get the Aim 7P with the hornet soon.
@seductive_fishstick89613 ай бұрын
prob wont see f-18/Su-33 till late this year since the snail seems to like to add the big new shiny planes around the end of the year.
@mikeyplayzwrld3 ай бұрын
@@seductive_fishstick8961unfortunate.
@batlax183 ай бұрын
@@seductive_fishstick8961I really thought they’d add it this patch, because the last 2 June have been naval/topgun update. Maybe next patch
@seductive_fishstick89613 ай бұрын
@@batlax18 I had a slight hope they would add them this update but i knew they probably wouldn't
@fakeblazio79013 ай бұрын
USA player detected
@Anko0723 ай бұрын
"The end of R-27ER era" - rest in piss you wont be missed. I only hope I don't speak too soon.
@vaclavkolar67503 ай бұрын
Yeah flying close to ground or notching shitty ruski radars is so hard i guess. No russian main beats aim-9m
@ryanfreeman50833 ай бұрын
Point and laugh ^
@guardrailhitter3 ай бұрын
@@vaclavkolar6750 the AIM9M when i hold the A key and drop 10 flares: 🤬
Yes it's exactly about being hard to fly near ground and nothing to do with advantage over sparrows to the degree of complete inability to fight back in bvr.
@CruLisP3 ай бұрын
I CANT WAIT TO SEE MICA LOOPING BACK
@Trichobezoar_3 ай бұрын
Can't wait to still notch missiles while maintaining lock in the 29SMT because 90 degree radar (swivel/gimble/whatever is the proper term is) angle is highly amusing.
@PvtPartzz3 ай бұрын
I always wondered why more aircraft don’t have this capability. Seems very useful.
@Epic_candle3 ай бұрын
@@PvtPartzzI think it's because most got fox-3 already so it wasn't so necessary
@user-qr3oy7bf7r3 ай бұрын
@@Epic_candleexactly,you see gijian doesnt add shit in a timline order like they should,thats why the US severly under performs the way it does,the f15 should have been added when they added the first mig29 and the f15c should have been added with the su27 and grippen with aim9x and later aim7 variants,this next patch introducing the fox 3s should introduce the superhornet su27sm and gripen C they purposely add the american rival later to “ballance” the game
@WOLFER.3 ай бұрын
R-77 spam on the way *Sarcastic* Yippee
@GeneralLee20003 ай бұрын
I believe in AMRAAM spam 🙏
@WOLFER.3 ай бұрын
@GeneralLee2000 true, and it's will be more commonly used
@matthewizzo40782 ай бұрын
considering the fact that the R27ER is probably getting a datalink nerf im guessing there will be plenty of R77s flying around
@Batty232 ай бұрын
its fun how every country is gonna be shooting fox3 from like 50km away and france is just gonna beat EVERYTHING in dogfights
@devdream92772 ай бұрын
MICA is crazy@@Batty23
@House_of_Schmidt3 ай бұрын
Really hoping we see a team size reduction at the upper tiers of Air RB.
@GeneralLee20003 ай бұрын
PLEASE
@n1coR3 ай бұрын
"Optional" like night battles, so not realy gonna happen anyway
@House_of_Schmidt3 ай бұрын
@@n1coR we'll see. Many just don't like night battles. Many want smaller teams so we'll see how it plays out.
@Tuhrue3 ай бұрын
Welcome to the new meta where lots of players are gonna think they're F14s with 6 long-range ARH missiles even though Gaijin said they're meant for medium ranges.
@BlackjackTheLad3 ай бұрын
Most maps airfields are close enough together that you're well inside the WEZ of an AIM-54 by the time you're up to speed. And most of the time, people are throwing out phoenixes at 30-50km if they want them to hit. I wouldn't expect the difference in range of an AIM-54 and say an AIM-120 to matter that much unless we get some seriously massive maps in future.
@normallymute01313 ай бұрын
I don’t think it will be. The 27ER is faster than a majority of the ARHs in ranges of about 20km (current effective range of the ARHs that are not the phoenix). It is the end of the ERA for Sparrows though because the Aim-120 is an upgrade in every metric. Sparrows failed to joust with the 27ER in almost every scenario except for early launches, now 120s can go toe to toe with them
@Cloud_Stratus3 ай бұрын
I can already see "This is the beginning of R-77 Era" video coming up.
@3601christopher3 ай бұрын
27Ers have been so annoying. I’ll tell people the stats and they’ll still have the Gaul to say the ERs aren’t OP
@lightningstrike50243 ай бұрын
well both the 7m and 54 technical are better at very long range, its just that ppl dont use them at those ranges
@MrARNOLD3 ай бұрын
@@lightningstrike5024 cuz in terms of gaijin they sus... 7m and 54 on long-ranges are going to miss ecc ecc...7f/m are even slower than their soviet opponent.
@lightningstrike50243 ай бұрын
@@MrARNOLD yeah cause they burn their motors over a longer time and have less drag
@mokaso3 ай бұрын
@@lightningstrike5024I would agree that the Aim-54s are quite good at what they do, but you lose me (respectfully) with the Aim-7Ms. I would say they are one of these worst SARH in the game at this moment because of their likelihood to just give up on tracking six seconds off the rail. They were so (and still are) bad that people pushed Gaijin quite a lot on the forums to add the Aim-7Ps just because that would give the US a datalink capable missile. They didn’t (womp womp) and Gaijin slightly improved the tracker and the time allowed between loss of lock but they are still bad. I’d rather use an Aim-54 at medium range than a 7M any day.
@FishFlys3 ай бұрын
@@lightningstrike5024aim54 does have potential to outrange but is easier to dodge at those ranges, sparrow does not have the energy to compete the archer (r27) at extreme ranges, but within 25km the sparrow is very adequate, and can push further if launched from high speed and alt
@Ryan-go6id3 ай бұрын
I can hear Russian bots crying “US players got their AIM-120 and still crying” even though it’s the worst out of the 5 missiles.
@Iden_in_the_Rain3 ай бұрын
Yeah, the AIM-120C-5 is what they should’ve added with the R-77 going off of range
@GeneralLee20003 ай бұрын
Hey lets wait and see how they're actually modelled first.
@kenoby23303 ай бұрын
oh look at you tough guy crying about how you wont have no more points the R77 has massive drag unless your minimal sized brain hasn't noticed
@a.anonymous13182 ай бұрын
The ER is still relevant Especially in short range low altitude combat where it will (probably) be the fastest missile there
@feelinspiffy6962 ай бұрын
and for volcano map, they should make it so that your radar locks onto the magma every now and then you get your nose on it
@ChieflyCook3 ай бұрын
I hope to see the addition of JDAMs. I think these coupled with mavericks and amraams on an F-16C would go hard in countering Pantsirs
@Spicysauced3 ай бұрын
There never was a [insert any radar missile] era. As long as one's invulnerable to any radar missile just by lawn mowing, there will never be an [insert any radar missile] era. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
@gangstercheesefries11123 ай бұрын
Except that is circumvented with inertial guidance by breaking your lock
@Jacob-sz3qq3 ай бұрын
Yeah people have been crying about the r27er, but with SARH, positioning is king. if you're on the deck, and the dude jousting you isnt, it doesnt matter how good your missile's acceleration is. The aim7F/M is nuts, and so is the 530D. as long as you have better position.
@-..----.--.-...3 ай бұрын
@@gangstercheesefries1112 It's a gimmick that can occasionally work, but nobody does that
@loneirregular12803 ай бұрын
Dunno. Early Fox 3s dont have that long range. Besides that, Fox 3 doesnt necessarily outvalidate a Fox 1, it allows for new tactics (multiple target engagement for example) but it doesnt necessarily outplay the SARH missiles.
@kenoby23303 ай бұрын
it does outplay them ,you can fire a fox 3 and defend while the R27ER guy has to maintain lock
@alexturnbackthearmy19073 ай бұрын
@@kenoby2330 They can lock and defend too. These radars got very good angles...
@loneirregular12803 ай бұрын
@kenoby2330 lock angle is a thing, ARHs does benefit from maintaining lock. Fox 3s normally activate their own radar once within a certain range of the target which is either told by the aircrafts radar when to activate, or if there is no lock maintained, it will activate when within parameters based on the INS system of the missile. Edit: fixed a mistake.
@croskerk3 ай бұрын
Fun fact, fox 3s will still be superior to this fox1s Because you can launch and go defensive Meaning you can force enemy to go defensive and you can reengage far sooner
@riuneko3 ай бұрын
@@kenoby2330 except the R27ER guy can maintain his lock while notching you because 90 degree radar gimbal
@simonwoodall68633 ай бұрын
There’s also the r37 which is a hypersonic fox 3, but that probably won’t happen because it’s in the same level as the pl15 and meteor
@sooryan_10183 ай бұрын
It's only been recently added to the Su-30(SM2) and other carriers are MiG-31, Su-35, and Su-57..... But yea, those planes will definitely take some time to add
@fatmangary63813 ай бұрын
R37 is no where near as good as you think it would be Its basicly longer range aim-54 with even less G's and for most part not that faster cuz hypersonic part is only for like 8 km altitude and above
@sooryan_10183 ай бұрын
@@fatmangary6381 it's a helluva lot longer range, and that speed will catch anyone off guard, especially in SIM
@hemendraravi47873 ай бұрын
@@fatmangary6381 its killed a couple of su27s
@j100j3 ай бұрын
@@fatmangary6381Though the Aim54 is underperforming in its turn.
@ryanfreeman50833 ай бұрын
I feel I am still going to carry 2 R-27ERs on the new Su-27SM, they will have a place probably in the 7-10 km range due to the insanely good acceleration
@mikeyplayzwrld3 ай бұрын
Yup because they’re overturned for what we have now and shouldn’t be in the game.
@thatoneguy17413 ай бұрын
I mean they’re still good for further ranges than that, these early stage Fox 3s aren’t phoenix missiles that will be smiting players on the other side of the map Until later variants arrive
@kingghidorah81063 ай бұрын
here the weeb who said that finally americans will stop crying about the "Russia OP"🤯
@mangosuppe87063 ай бұрын
As far as we know it might be more reliable on launch then the r77 but only the update will tell
@zcbma14073 ай бұрын
R77 has more acceleration than r27er
@No1harris_983 ай бұрын
I’m so excited for this new flanker and I honestly pray to the snail that it does get added, and I feel like ER’s will still be very useful especially with the R-77, could do some interesting combos.
@Takamiya_Mio3 ай бұрын
Look who is smiling with AAM-4 :)))))
@exonys38383 ай бұрын
hey, just some precision about the MICA and the mirage 2000 ! The Mirage will actally have the same load as the F15 (IRL is has 8 hardpoint that can have the MICA but only 6 were showed in the dev server (i think it's only because every others planes except the J8 had 6 missiles), and even if they only give him 6 MICA he can still take a Magic 2 on this missing hardpoint) and the MICA has a range comparable to the R77 and the early's AIM120C of 80Km, with he's great acceleration and burn time, i think he will be able to make long range shot like every others missiles (sorry for my english, it's not my main language :) )
@hemendraravi47873 ай бұрын
nope , u sacrifice magics for mica or vice versa 6 max , mirage 2k is programmed to use 6 missiles max
@GeneralLee20003 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure they can only do 6 missiles because of the firing control system, not 100 percent sure. Either way, MICAs max range should be about the same yes, but kinematically it's rather light so won't maintain its speed that well after burnout most likely. We'll have to see how it goes! Also don't worry, your english was perfectly understandable :)
@devdream92773 ай бұрын
Pretty sure it is only 6 MICA EM and the 2 other pylons are for MICA IR or Magic 2 only@@GeneralLee2000
@exonys38383 ай бұрын
@@hemendraravi4787 where did you saw that ? im pretty sur il already saw a mirage with 8 MICA, and even if i'm wrong i don't see why he couldn't take more that 6 missiles
@theliteralworst94163 ай бұрын
@@exonys3838some pylons on aircraft aren’t wired to fire certain things
@user-Xx0xxxxx3 ай бұрын
Lee do you think gaijin is aware that the AAM-4A shouldn't have a launch (and potentially even track) warning? cause like... if they have it like that in game...
@GeneralLee20003 ай бұрын
Even if they are I doubt they'll do that...
@hemendraravi47873 ай бұрын
early aam4 does not not use aesa radar
@GeneralLee20003 ай бұрын
@@hemendraravi4787 right, but it uses different, unconventional radar bands that aren't in the threat library of most RWRs
@ares75223 ай бұрын
@@GeneralLee2000 AAM-4 uses (just like the Pantsir's missiles) command guidance via J/ARG-1 transmitter, combined with the F-2s AESA, its completely silent on RWR until active phase, there won't even be a ping from the F-2s radar, since AESA can create variable frequencies inside the radar band so it can hide as noise (though this might only apply to most western Radars, as there is not much info on how eastern AESAs work (or even exist in case of China))
@den1ezy3 ай бұрын
R-27ER was given because they've taken the R-73's from Mig-29 initially after teasing it in the trailer. That wasn't an "overreaction" it was just a compromise. Not only the 23ML premium teams were the issue. You forgot to mention that at that time Soviet jets were lacking SARH missiles in quantity compared to the US and clones. Top tier Soviet jets only got two SARH missiles however US ones got several jets in the matchmaker with ability to carry up to six SARH missiles. This was the real purpose of adding the 27ER
@joshuamueller32063 ай бұрын
What on God's Green Earth was that F-14 doing at the end there?
@GeneralLee20003 ай бұрын
He's Maverick!!!
@Mucky_Muck3 ай бұрын
Dying with style.
@Bardyy3 ай бұрын
F-14 players finding the most impressive way to die instantly
@BikZom3 ай бұрын
Unless the multipathing gets reworked the new missiles would be as effective as they're right now just fly below 100m and you're good
@BlackjackTheLad3 ай бұрын
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Content creators and the playerbase at large that have been asking for smaller matches at top tier are in for a shock as we get planes that can carry 8, 10, 12 ARH missiles. If 16v16 furballs are too chaotic for player skill and dogfighting tactics to work, I really don't see how going down to 8v8 with planes that can chuck better and better missiles at eachother is going to help. I think a lot of WT creators are going to 180 on their stance in the coming few updates.
@silkyzoid3 ай бұрын
Another Lee upload :D Keep up the great work :D
@GeneralLee20003 ай бұрын
I appreciate it!
@drafoonagain3 ай бұрын
im not sure but ive heard the R-27EA/EM missiles also has passive radar homing so it would be interesting if they added that
@GeneralLee20003 ай бұрын
The EM is still a SARH most likely, just with a seeker for low altitude over the ocean. The EA is an active missile but it wouldn't shock me if either of them have home on jam capability? Fully passive though you're probably thinking of the R-27EP, which is basically an ER with an anti-radiation seeker. It couldn't lock onto fighter radars though, it could only target AWACS
@drafoonagain3 ай бұрын
@@GeneralLee2000 yep i reread where i saw it and i got the EA seeker confused with part of the EP seeker
@iulian29-672 ай бұрын
They dont. The EA is active radar homing just like the R-77, and the EM is just an EA with better range and i think better seeker. The passive seeker one is the R-27P and EP, which act like anti-radiation missiles but for air to air.
@Loudward__3 ай бұрын
I personally don’t think it will be the end, but it might start to fade away. The R27ER I think will still be better than AMRAAMs and other Fox-3’s. The real nerf is the fact that now aircraft can launch their missiles and defend while you (The R27ER player) has to maintain lock.
@user-if4zv5nj5m3 ай бұрын
I hate sparrows being too unreliable in hitting their targets. If aim7f/m and r27er were performing close to each other in terms of a hit rate, it would've been possible to do bvr stuff in, say, f15. But with more than 50% of sparrows going to chaff while r27s being incredibly hard to notch there's just no way to get high alt kills if you don't carry the ERs. Every time i take my SU up high and find any guy suffering and being unable to compete, it's an f15/f16 trying to do bvr stuff
@Yea.IGetHectic3 ай бұрын
Aim-120A is going to get absolutely outclassed by every other fox-3 coming to the game, make that make sense... 1992 era r-77 and the US gets an aim-120 from the 80s when early aim-120s have about the same range as an aim-7F. It's so unfun and boring to get new toys, but have it constantly get middle of the pack, or extremely gapped missile tech in comparison to what other nations get, how is it anywhere near balanced when a thrust vectoring ARH missile is coming out and I basically get a fire and forget aim-7F
@admiralfox083 ай бұрын
aim120a was the original basically test batch of AMRAAM and they barely worked, so I think we’ll probably be getting the bravo variant
@hans29363 ай бұрын
There is not a single AMRAAMS from the 80s you knuckle dragging defeatist
@grahh72343 ай бұрын
The test server isn’t even here and you’re already complaining 😂
@Yea.IGetHectic3 ай бұрын
@@grahh7234 Hey dummy, you don't need a test server to accuractely compare an early era aim-120, to a missile developed ten years later with better, more modern tech. It simply outperforms aim-120A's ( the missile we had in the first test server months back)... No need to be an asshole, not complaining, all I did was just bringing up valid criticisms, why is the US getting the shit end of the stick when it comes to the most advanced weaponry to come to the game.
@alphawolf17863 ай бұрын
Here's a little fun fact the 120 on the past dev sever was the b model so there can be a chance we could see the c model
@mystic09703 ай бұрын
Just wait until gaijin adds R27EA which has active radar seeker 💀
@KlydePhrog3 ай бұрын
I just want the AGM-88 HARM so I can finally get my revenge on Pantsirs
@NickBoss-tb8iw3 ай бұрын
Bro it's not that hard to counter the pantsir, I use that thing constantly and all you have to do is use Chaff to fuck the Passive Radar and go high as you can, the radar on the pantsir can't go that high so once you go high enough, the Tracking radar won't be able to keep lock, now unless it's a console player, they can just use the target tracking feature and not even use the radar, and at that point, you're fucked. So to beat a Pantsir, go high, or dive faster than a fucking mole in sand
@enekokaga71033 ай бұрын
Where's the wild weasels, Gaijin?
@christianmarthinsen15883 ай бұрын
We need it....
@NickBoss-tb8iw3 ай бұрын
@@christianmarthinsen1588 you really don't, typical mavericks on an A-10A do just fine, I play both the pantsir, and the A-10A, it's not that hard to kill a pantsir lmao, just harder to survive
@zcbma14073 ай бұрын
Do you really think pantsir will not intercept them?
@M0LOCK3 ай бұрын
Cant even remember the last time i got killed by R27R/ER except for getting 3° party while going vertical on ACM...the ppl that complained about the R27ER will still complain about R77/AIM120 wtver and they probably will fix that multipath since smin already said its the way it is for "balance" (killing BVR),will be fun watching those ppl that were handheld by it getting fucked with their non existent knowledge
@proofostrich90613 ай бұрын
Shout out to the F-4S at 4:26 that got killed by a BOT MiG-21 with an R-3S
@easy4life23.3 ай бұрын
This isn’t the end the fox3 stats have stayed the same they just stabilized them and yet the r27er was still better than the rest
@thunderwithchrissy3 ай бұрын
i believe the er is going to be the best missile in terms or range for a while even after this early arh missile addition. the r77 is going to be a filler between the long range of the er and the short range r73.
@casematecardinal3 ай бұрын
The Phoenix still has the best range but it's poor performance (by gaijin design) holds it back.
@danielwang62012 ай бұрын
FINALLY, FUCK we endured for so long
@102ndsmirnov73 ай бұрын
Tbh I don't see this making a big difference. It's basically still gonna be the exact same thing, the missiles just aren't gonna be called R-27ERs anymore.
@kenoby23303 ай бұрын
clueless R77 has gigantic drag due to the fins so it will have WAYY less range
@102ndsmirnov73 ай бұрын
@@kenoby2330 how often are you firing R-27s at 40km? I feel like the vast majority of launches are sub 10km. I doubt the R-77 will struggle with that.
@kenoby23303 ай бұрын
@@102ndsmirnov7 yea but the AMRAAM has a range advantage Plus it depends how long the R77 engine is on, the sec it runs out it'll have gigantic drag
@hresvelgr71933 ай бұрын
@@102ndsmirnov7 AIM-120A/B has no problems at 40+ km ranges
@corybrown21973 ай бұрын
There was a time when the ER’s weren’t OP. It’s funny I actually had an argument with a guy saying how the sparrow could reasonably compete with it. And then they buffed the ER and it hasn’t looked back since. I can’t remember exactly what they changed but after that change the difference in performance was nuts. I think it will be the one missile that can actually keep up. All the other Fox-1’s aren’t fast enough to allow you to actually attack or defend against Fox-3’s. The sheer speed and distance the ER has will make it the only Fox-1 that can joust against them. BUT it will still come with the risk of needing to fly in the general direction of the enemy, which leaves you vulnerable to Fox-3’s. At long range it will have a chance. At medium range it will be a big gamble. You can launch and the missile might get there first. But even if you kill your bandit, their fox-3 doesn’t need them alive to track you. Meaning it might result in a trade. And at close range it’s most certainly a trade. The missile ends up going really fast but missiles like the early amraam accelerate similarly quickly meaning at close range even if you land your hit that fox 3 is coming at you like a bat out of hell. You wont have time to dodge. Overall I think it will be a great missile and will continue to get kills against people flying high that aren’t paying attention. But in the close game flying lower to the deck. The Fox-3’s are going to do better. And that’s with multi pathing, which they might remove.
@kashikaze91292 ай бұрын
As a user of both, sparrows are not as bad as people say.
@corybrown21972 ай бұрын
@@kashikaze9129 it’s not that they are bad. The ER is just that much better.
@PiobloWT3 ай бұрын
its still a beast since its so fast.
@50005622 ай бұрын
So essentially the R-27ER in-game (meta) is the opposite of it's real life version (mediocre).
@myhugedeck85183 ай бұрын
R27ER will always be good. You don't always want to fire and forget your missiles. It's cool to have, but without proper guidance from the aircraft it has a high chance to miss specially with gaijin nerfing the fox 3s. If and when that happens, the ER will reign supreme again
@enekokaga71033 ай бұрын
I swear to god if I have to face against R-77s and AMRAAMS in my god damn EJ Kai I'm going to uninstall the game.
@kashikaze91292 ай бұрын
an 11.3 cannot even go against the 12.7's lmfao. What you talking about? These new jets should be 13.0 so there is no possible way to face them unless your squad mate plays one.
@enekokaga71032 ай бұрын
@@kashikaze9129 11.3? Where did you get 11.3 from lmao
@kashikaze91292 ай бұрын
@@enekokaga7103 EJ Kai is an 11.3. Do you play game?
@enekokaga71032 ай бұрын
@@kashikaze9129 It's 11.7, do you only play arcade?
@auqanova3 ай бұрын
R27 will lose its spot as top dog, but as you say, the missile is better in range and acceleration. To be honest i still anticipate the r27 being better in every mid-short range scenario. War thunder meta doesnt lend itself to the defensive play fox 3s allow, and that means most players wont go defensive. I expect to see many kill trades where people die to an r27 and the other guy dies 4 seconds later to a fox 3. Personally i was actually fine with the idea of americans getting fox 3s first, and russians later, because in my dcs experience the r27er is actually a worth adversary to an aim120c, much less the 120a or the sparrow, but for some ungodly reason they put the er in to patch out the russian skill issue. Alas, i certainly dont mind the symmetrical approach. In fact im just surprised they didnt do it sooner.
@Scorchluck3 ай бұрын
The two questions I'm interested in are whether Snail will fix the FMs of MiG-29s and Su-27s, and whether to all R-27s will be added the ability to guide the missile in TWS.
@ML_Tachanka3 ай бұрын
I doubt they will fix FM’s although I might be wrong.
@nymeric58333 ай бұрын
@@ML_Tachanka they might because fox-3s for everyone evens the playing field so they might not need to gimp the flight performance anymore. But idk thats just me hoping
@ML_Tachanka3 ай бұрын
@@nymeric5833 It depends on how people react to it, and by 'people’, I mean those who pay the most. If they are upset, then Gaijin will listen, so that they keep paying. After all, we are talking about a company, and a company's first priority is money.
@Scorchluck3 ай бұрын
@@ML_Tachanka So we will left with gimped soviet jets 'couse of bombing F-4S users?
@ML_Tachanka3 ай бұрын
@@Scorchluck Possible. But who knows maybe they will make them realistic.
@imaginewinning56792 ай бұрын
As soon as I get a chance use the R27ER it gets over thrown by other missiles :(
@iulian29-672 ай бұрын
Nah, its still very much relevant and still better than the R-77 in many situations
@Evrimomono3 ай бұрын
except R27ER is still kinetically better than some of the active radar missiles sure you cant fire and forget but if someone's high, their chances of defeating AMRAAM might be higher than that of R27ER because once the missile is defeated, thats done and gone whereas R27ER can just reacquire with a lock, which is extremely easy to do with soviet radars and HMD.
@Boris_The_Turtle3 ай бұрын
R27ER: Nah, I’d win.
@noahhuls3 ай бұрын
R-27ER has been way to strong for way too long
@LowieX2 ай бұрын
In before the speed of the r27er's actually make them better than the fox 3's still
@user-hb2bs5yz6s3 ай бұрын
I dont think adding AMRAAMS will beat the ER META!
@Epic_candle3 ай бұрын
It will, you can shoot then turn around, even with double the thrust ER can't catch you,and if it was within the death zone you both explodes
@a.e.richardson2183 ай бұрын
its an IRCCM meta the f-16c and grippen are the 2 best planes and thye both carry either 6ir or 5ir 1 radar it just not a radar meta when sitting on the deck is this effective
@Epic_candle3 ай бұрын
@@a.e.richardson218 MICA IR is gonna slay
@kashikaze91292 ай бұрын
@@Epic_candle I can shoot my er on ground level and hold lock on ground level. it will annihilate mr turn around.
@iulian29-672 ай бұрын
@@Epic_candle it wont. If you shoot and turn around before the missile goes active you essentially wasted a missile, and even if it does go active, if the enemy hugs the ground it was once again wasted. If you get in a joust with a Su-27 or MiG-29 the R-27ER will probably hit you first and you just trade in the best case scenario. Nothing really changes apart from America having more radar missiles on planes now
@ViperPilot163 ай бұрын
I do think the R27ER will not be as strong as it was, I don't think that it will ever be fully obsolete, though. The engagement ranges in War Thunder, are just to small.
@alexturnbackthearmy19073 ай бұрын
Also ER got amazing range, unlike most Fox-3`s that are coming in. These are medium range only, unlike long-range Aim54.
@D4nger_CLO5E3 ай бұрын
Now lets get ready for the F-15C and Su-27SM 😃
@feelinspiffy6962 ай бұрын
are r27s supposed to go supersonic? 5:50
@thatguy761211 күн бұрын
They go faster than that
@croskerk3 ай бұрын
R-27ET will still be deadly Awesome R-27ER will be out of meta
@iulian29-672 ай бұрын
It literally wont be out of meta
@croskerk2 ай бұрын
@@iulian29-67 oof fair, though the whole playing field will definitely be more balanced out.
@likeyacutg47203 ай бұрын
Im just interested in seeing if planes like the tornado f3 and the adv are going to get or nit grt the fox 3s considering they cayy and have used aim120s and other types of fox 3s
@rosekakisajii15852 ай бұрын
its not the end quite yet dont forget its still the best or one of the best semi active none the less.. do i think that that the active will do better? depending on their performance yes somewhat its no the end of the r27er era just yet it will all depend on the performage of the missles that they are adding.. also tip the r27er can be launched at 30-35 km at about 6-10 alt feet. its still one of the fastest missles welll at least in terms of memory. but i do think they will not perform the best in the game after the update def i agree either way it will catch people off guard when a r27er kills them even with them using active radar missles
@kingghidorah81063 ай бұрын
the r27er will still dominate over all active radar missiles for the sole fact it's hypersonic (because it combines the start booster and sustainer horsepower in the first stage)
@SeventhCircle773 ай бұрын
Wonder if they will change it now that the new missiles will have two stages. They have no excuse to not fix it outside of wanting Russia on top
@Skoodelly3 ай бұрын
The r27 doesnt get anywhere close to hypersonic speeds in an actual match
@thisguy29893 ай бұрын
@Skoodelly mine do? Pretty easy to get them up to mach 4.5 when lofting from 10km alt and mach 1 launch speed. Occasionally, I get launches at 11km and mach 1.2 ish, and those go up to like mach 4.6-4.7
@Skoodelly3 ай бұрын
@@thisguy2989 Hypersonic is mach 5+
@Registered_Simp3 ай бұрын
The average speed an ER will get to in a match is about mach 4 to 4.5. I saw Aim-120A's on the dev getting to an average of mach 3.5 to 4. That gap ain't that drastic. Besides, that ER needs an STT lock all the way to impact. An Aim-120 does not. Fox-3's give you way more options and flexibility than you'd otherwise have. To say ER will dominate off of range alone completely misses the point.
@haroonmaqshar12583 ай бұрын
imo the 15C with AMRAAMs is gonna become the most meta plane next update
@user-Xx0xxxxx3 ай бұрын
i mean the 15J is just better
@thatoneguy17413 ай бұрын
Possible 6 MICA load out would like to have a word with you 👀
@genericamerican.3 ай бұрын
Nah, they'll make the R-77 just as op as the R-27ER. They'll never let anything non russian be the top dog.
@lightningstrike50243 ай бұрын
@@genericamerican. lets just forget about the aim-54 meta then i guess
@lightningstrike50243 ай бұрын
@@genericamerican. ok lets just forget about the aim-54 meta then i guess
@mrcaboosevg60893 ай бұрын
I remember reading that the R27ER in real life was complete garbage and barely ever actually worked, most of the time they'd just drop out of the sky
@justintvinhd3 ай бұрын
The Russian government literally pays gaijin to positively represent their hardware. This is why gaijin is headquartered in London. The famous tax haven for Russian oligarch companies and propaganda businesses
@iulian29-672 ай бұрын
@@justintvinhd Gaijin is headquartered in Budapest, and they are probably scamming the russians given the awful flight performance of the MiG-29 and Su-27, aka Russia's premier airframes
@vibecu3 ай бұрын
With the radar lf the 29smt they will still broke
@_ace_defective_3 ай бұрын
Very skillful kill at the end there. Really close though, that guy would've absolutely destroyed you if only he'd gotten a little closer 🙏
@pigs20013 ай бұрын
The PL-12 era begins
@piechy3 ай бұрын
an f15 that doesnt fucking rip its wings off if you try to roll
@kashikaze91292 ай бұрын
Watch altitude and speed. Also do not have your jet sideways and pull down or up, that will also rip the wings. The su-27 breaks its wings VERY easy if you go over 1400 below 500 meters. Same with the Mig 23. You have to watch and see HOW you are breaking the wing and come up with ways to not do that.
@casematecardinal3 ай бұрын
Maybe they will actually make the 27 accurate and make it so it doesnt burn both engines at the same time. Because it shouldnt accelerate nearly as fast as it currently does.
@PotatoeJoe692 ай бұрын
Eh, definitely not the end. The R27ER was so much better than the early R77's, that it remained Russias' main radar missile until very recently.
@DzinkyDzink3 ай бұрын
Y'all celebrating but miss that what's to come is very likely to be worse. Like 3.7 and 8.7 for Ground RB, 10.3 may be become the sweet spot for Air RB going beyond which is unreasonable.
@tahmid-uz-zaman22143 ай бұрын
Not true actually...r27er will dominate no doubt
@ZLEEP23243 ай бұрын
R27EA enters the chat
@Ryan-go6id3 ай бұрын
If they put the EA in the game, they’re never beating the allegations
@GeneralLee20003 ай бұрын
What allegations may I ask? 👀
@Optimusprime562413 ай бұрын
@@GeneralLee2000 Russian bias “allegations” (they are factual, allegations would imply they aren’t confirmed)
@norinco87243 ай бұрын
@@Optimusprime56241russian bias isnt real
@Optimusprime562413 ай бұрын
@@norinco8724 yes it is you schizo
@kennybewley44203 ай бұрын
@@norinco8724 You're either stupid or lying to yourself. The ERs and r73s, the pantsir, the amazing all premium 10.0 lineup with 2000s technology. Thermals on T-80s and T-72s that never got them, weapon test beds that aren't even in service yet added as "legitimate vehicles". That's just the positives for Russia. Now don't even get me started on gaijin regularly gimping other nations vehicles and ignoring factual, technical documents that support opposing arguments to it, sketchy volumetric ballistics that act in favor of Russian MBTs because of their externally mounted ERA and all the extra shit on their hulls.
@Infinite-INF3 ай бұрын
Honestly this makes me really sad I want Fox 3 but my favorite plane, the F14 is just going to be so outclassed now, honestly is gonna kinda suck Though i do wonder, would it be possible to add the AIM 152 Missile? It was pretty much a upgraded 54. Sadly it was never truly finished but it would make the F14B be able to atleast keep up a little longer with the new meta since AIM 54s still dont do as well as they should IRL.
@Hurin1703 ай бұрын
i've been living in the sparrow era already 😎😎
@GeneralLee20003 ай бұрын
REAL
@nomikomaryu50493 ай бұрын
In the last test server, the R-27ER was held to actually be better than any of the Fox-3's. The Fox-3's hit the ground more than the R-27ER (compared to the Sparrow in game the R-27ER forces you to have to fly lower and even then it can still hit 50% of the time, the Fox-3's hit the ground like the Sparrow or any Fox-1 other than the ER). Now this guy is talking about the ER is better in performance against the Fox-3's, and in game he's right however irl it would be wrong. It's no secret the R-27ER is overperforming (the R-27ER did have the speed and acceleration like in game however it could barely turn due to it's high speed leading to honestly an easy evade), and in just pure manuverability the R-27ER irl was a bad missile and this isnt mentioning its limited range in comparison to even an Aim-120A. Now he also talked about the R-27EA being as good or better than the Aim-120C-5, and that is wrong too. That missile ran into the same problems as the ER, along with that only 1 Fox-1 acually held a candle to the Fox-3's. With how the ER performs in game is very comparable to another Russian missile, the R-30. This missile was the missile that went up against the Aim-120A and for all intents ans purposes performed very similaraly to the Aim-120A in terms of range and manuverability however this required you to hold lock like an Aim-54 compared to the fire and forget missile we use today. The R-30 was a great missile and tbh if Gaijin wanted to put a missile in, that would've been the one for accuracy rather than the R-27ER (just use the same model for the ER on the R-30 and you achieve a pretty similar performance, maybe a slight buff but that would be it to make an R-30). So yeah, this "ER era" shouldn't have existed, its a cause of a major oversight by Gaijin on what speed does to a missile and its turning capabilities.
@hemendraravi47873 ай бұрын
bro what imaginary data are u using ? there is only data on export versions and the soviets are known for gimping everything they sell
@dazdal82893 ай бұрын
I just got to top tier yesterday, and now im beck to mid tier😢
@idonthaveayoutubechannel42942 ай бұрын
I just want the f4f2 to have all aspect :(
@jinkxer13 ай бұрын
so we r just gonna ignore what he did to that poor p36 at the end of the match 💀
@ItzCPU_3 ай бұрын
BVR meta would be so fun 🤞
@GeneralLee20003 ай бұрын
We'll have to see...
@fagalon91523 ай бұрын
nearly 2 years overdue... Hell all gaijin had to do to reduce the bs of this meta wouldve been to add the AIM-7MH or 7P because, as far as i'm aware, those have datalink while keeping similar if not exact ranges of the usual AIM-7M. But no they didn't even add that, instead they gave the AIM-7M and didnt actually change jack dick about it, just a borderline copypasted AIM-7F. And now there's so many SARH missiles that will be wasted even if they end up being added to the game because nobody will ever use them, because ARH simply exists. They're just better missiles in every single way.
@mobberrr3 ай бұрын
i find it quite sad since i have been grinding for quite a lot in the soviet tree just to find out that they will soon be outclassed by the amraam...
@PvtPartzz3 ай бұрын
You’ll still have your fun for the first couple of months before players actually learn how to use Fox 3’s.
@mikeyplayzwrld3 ай бұрын
You’re playing a game that prioritizes realism. Get over it. If you weren’t late you would’ve been dominating.
@NickBoss-tb8iw3 ай бұрын
@mikeyplayz8438 some people have jobs and lives to focus on, rather than an exaggerated "simulator" game you fuckin no life
@alexturnbackthearmy19073 ай бұрын
Nothing to be sad about yet. R-27ER would be better then both R-77 and AIm120, so only french are real threat (and were for some time, magic 2 is just OP).
@chillindylan98282 ай бұрын
Finally got a mig29. Now I have to grind for a whole 2 weeks just to get the top dog. Gd it F2P player gere
@anguscovoflyer953 ай бұрын
Well the R-27ER will be faster and have more range than the R-77
@atomick.6133 ай бұрын
Su27 is op
@kingghidorah81063 ай бұрын
undoubtedly the emperor of top tier. Gaijin doesn't care about the gripen and the f16 being great dogfighters, an r27er striking them within the multipath threshold 15km away will prevent any sort of engagement.
@NickBoss-tb8iw3 ай бұрын
You've clearly never flown the thing, the F-14A can out perform it 10-1 with range, so before the SU-27 can even see you let alone fire off a radar AAM, you could just launch a Aim-54C for low altitude, or Aim-54A for higher altitude, once the SU-27 is dead to your Phoenix, it's AAM won't be able to track you and snap off target. Bow if you manage to let the SU-27 get close enough to you, then I won't lie, you're outclassed In most aspects. You're chance to win against a SU-27 get lower the closer it gets.
@kenoby23303 ай бұрын
@@NickBoss-tb8iw you are almost right as a Su 27 player At close range the flanker is still most likely gonna loose if you put two people with same skill level, R73 thrust vectoring is very broken so the missile will stall in any high G manouvers. Su 27 SFM
@atomick.6133 ай бұрын
Nick usually the su-27 is within 10km from me so I can't do shit when it launches an er and I am @ 10ft
@kingghidorah81063 ай бұрын
@@NickBoss-tb8iw you suffer from a severe skill issue. The slow and unreliability of nato missiles will give you higher chances of survival, regardless how much they outrange Soviet missiles.
@salazarmerlin13853 ай бұрын
German players are gonna be sad I guess
@skilz2kil5283 ай бұрын
fine fine ill hurry up with my report
@hemendraravi47873 ай бұрын
what report
@lukehobler78203 ай бұрын
Hurry Up🤣
@RedTail1-13 ай бұрын
Nah. They'll still perform better than ARH missiles so people will still use them.
@RedTail1-13 ай бұрын
When they were testing the ARH I did a few tests to see if you could wait until 20 miles, fire them at a few targets, and peel off to the airfield. Not a single one ever hit. Not the Aim-120, R-77, or the Micah. I never got hit either. All of the targets just kept flying straight as well, none defended. They also had this horrible tendency to wobble until they were swinging back and forth. Hope they fixed that. Accelerated too slowly, lost speed too quickly, rarely ever tracked a target. Hope they fixed that too. The range was barely better than the top SARH and IR missiles already in-game. They were just a big mess. They seem super cool and all but I see them ending up another Aim-54. Some people use them to try and meme, but most people stick to mostly fox-1 and 2. I don't see anyone carrying more than 2 after the hype dies down.
@suzybean133 ай бұрын
Wassup lee? Thank god bru
@raphaelmanske22733 ай бұрын
About damn time
@TiredOldBo3 ай бұрын
Oh haopy day oh happy day
@goodname61023 ай бұрын
just hug the ground, and let multipath do its thing, grab my 27er shooting everyone in MAR. The 12.0 matchmaker is pretty good btw, so no worries.
@_S1mba3 ай бұрын
what's your thoughts on multi-pathing, I like it to some extent wish it was alittle less effective though.
@GeneralLee20003 ай бұрын
I definitely want multipathing, reducing its height is an option IMO but not removing it. I think it's fine as is.
@kashikaze91292 ай бұрын
Ill quit this game the day the ground isnt safe
@jacobbaumgardner34063 ай бұрын
Tortilla got spanked
@rileyxbell3 ай бұрын
I finally started the Russia grind so I can get the OP missiles and now I'm 3 vehicles away and this gets announced wow big sad