Generation Aesthetics: Zyzz, the Godfather of Terrible Role Models

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00:00 Mission statement
4:50 Who was Zyzz?
9:58 His death
13:58 Deglorifying an icon #1
19:30 From skinny nerd to Chad?
25:28 The resurrection of a terrible role model
31:55 Deglorifying an icon #2
39:20 Zyzz = Rich Piana?
46:04 Generation Aesthetics
51:47 Zyzz copycats, brahs & "aesthetic" twerps
1:02:02 Your relationship with yourself & women = shattered
1:11:01 The death of masculinity & natural bodybuilding

[@piskooooo]

It's so bizarre seeing Zyzz being portrayed as an alpha chad when all my friends who got into lifting when he was alive liked him because he was an awkward nerd that shit posted on forums just like them. Like that was his biggest appeal back then lmao

[@CMCSE]

In some way he broke the mold

[@atune2682]

thats so epic you knew him alive?

[@rasheemthebestfirstone3274]

@@CMCSE what mold?

[@38Fanda]

@@rasheemthebestfirstone3274 THE mold

[@atune2682]

true

[@absolutewanker9384]

The one true insurmountable lifting icon is kyriakos grizzly. He unapologetically does things his way and he doesn’t sell out. He emanates love, effort and respect. Also a very spiritual figure who appears to live a humble life of moderation and temperance. YOU HAVE TO LIVE IT.

[@Testosterooster]

Live life FULL

[@axelnova123]

I mean, big respects to the moglord himself, but even though I agree with his mindset and methods, don't really share his objectives. Regardless, what you said is still correct, dude is as genuine as they come.

[@anantbijolia8415]

YOU HAVE TO LIVE IT >>>> We're all gonna make it brah

[@zinkya3110]

> humble life of moderation Grizzly is anything but moderate brother

[@jesusmedrano4090]

@@zinkya3110 i don't like zyzz because he cultivated the ultimate cookie cutter fitness industry that we're living in today. Grizzly might be a meme but the dude actually lifts and works out, grizzly is the real deal. zyzz is the ultimate cookie cutter

[@rohaankamaraj8368]

Tik Tok is doing a big part in bringing Zyzz back. As a teen on that app, I see so many of Zyzz type stuff and copycats on my feed. Most tiktok fitness "influencers" (lol) are exactly as NH described

[@0okcin605]

for real

[@ABABABABABABABABABABBBBBB]

tiktok ruined zyzz, i havent watched zyzz in a while and when i search him on KZbin now theres only TIKTOK videos of little 120lb wimp copycat pieces of garbage. Jesus tiktok ruined zyzz without him even being alive, if ur gonna do zyzz tiktoks leave them the fuq on tiktok and dont put them on YT. Tiktok is a joke and only cookie cutters use it, men sure dont use it

[@1234fivedude]

@@ABABABABABABABABABABBBBBB Literally just Vine 2.0 but worse or the same (Maybe less cringe shit on vine).

[@robertd1599]

you should consider getting off that app dude I know it’s addicting as hell but most of the content that app offers is shit and the community is pretty bad as well

[@spbspb2413]

Delete tik tok, save your mental health

[@user-ci3hj9ei8p]

Biggest cringe is when they use him in those "Reject being fat, embrace fitness" type videos. Like yeaaah, let's all avoid dying at age 40 by dying at 21 instead🥶💪🏼

[@felixrolls6016]

Yeah, it is also weird how they make fun of all the cringe/degenerate stuff on tiktok in the first half of their videos but then chose a steroid using, spray tanned, anime hairstyle wearing guy who danced around in booty shorts as the counterweight to them??

[@ye9779]

@@felixrolls6016 the funny thing is that its the conservative guys who say things like reject modernity and degeneracy who idolize a man who indulges in premarital sex and shows his entire body and looks the way you described him

[@fmac6441]

@@felixrolls6016 The worst is when videos use him as a counterpoint to "modernity". The guy was (and his legacy is) the essence of modernity.

[@basedmario173]

@@fmac6441 not really...if you're talking about fitness, most of gen z is out of shape and many are obese. And steroid users are still a tiny minority. Modernity is going out drinking, playing video games, fapping etc

[@basedmario173]

@@felixrolls6016 the point is about self confidence.

[@yujiruffhanma3095]

I cannot believe that at a point in my life, I was thinking of breaking up with my girlfriend, who wanted to build a future with me, for the possibility of having that lifestyle of casual sex. If I could go back and beat the shit out of myself I would. Thank God she is still in my life

[@rohanalias9053]

W girl she's a keeper

[@chickennuggets1837]

is this a glitch am i seeing comments from another video or smtg

[@yoyochickenbro2962]

@Joseph Lucas average incel response:

[@Guts_Brando]

Bruh

[@Madchris8828]

That's a big W for you 👏. Still looking myself for someone I can love and appreciate and spend valuable time with. Bless 🙌

[@Nathanator]

Zyzz was definitely not some god, he was a young man in his early 20s who was probably feeling pretty lost in life and made bad choices. He had good intentions, his trolling was all a persona, and I’m personally a Zyzz fan because of who he truly was behind the facade and how relatable his struggles were to me. His bad choices are definitely not something that should be emulated, and he made a lot of them, and honestly most of the young teenagers who are obsessed with him are taking the wrong lessons from him which is really disappointing to see, and they’re believing that his persona was actually who he was and that you should emulate it. His brother talked about how much of a good person he was behind the facade and how if he were alive longer, he would realize how stupid his choices were and that he would change his public image into something more informative, honest, and uplifting. Even Zyzz mentioned near the end of his life on Facebook that he wanted to rebrand himself and quit the whole Zyzz persona, and it’s really unfortunate that he never got the chance to fix his mistakes and spread more positivity throughout the fitness world. Keep putting out content like this man, this was a wonderful video, and as a Zyzz fan you’ve explained the unfortunate impact that his persona had perfectly.

[@atomu27]

I feel the same way. I appreciate him for who he was, and don't think less of him for his bad choices. It's a shame he passed away because of them bc I'm sure he had a lot more to give

[@Nick-ck5xq]

The Zyzz worship I will never, ever understand. He never followed anything he preached and then he died while doing some sex tourism. -was a skinny dweeb and took a shortcut that killed him and tries to spin that as "inspiration" -told people "we're all gonna make it" while bullying dyels (people who didn't take steroids) with his "aesthetic's crew." Refer to that video where he makes some kid take his shirt off and tries to steal his shirt (???) -was an "anti-simp" while his entire measure self-worth was pulling festival thots -was really small and weak for a PED user. He could even pull 4pl8 despite preaching that the deadlift is what sets him apart from casuals. Might as well start calling pick up artists as influential, oh wait they already do.

[@atune2682]

haha youre the dumbest cnt you dont understand shit

[@atune2682]

hahahaha oh man this is too funny you have to cry?

[@jms0313]

Excellent points

[@atune2682]

youre so jealous

[@atune2682]

of course he bullied naturals haha you know nothing

[@professorartlifts1268]

I actually found out about zyzz much later after his death. Thought it was pretty sad that a young guy like that basically threw his life away in the name of instant gratification .

[@kingpotato7183]

Me too, I was too young to know who he was when I found out about him when he was already dead, now the second wave of his fame is weird to me, honestly low-key hate the entire fitness community, it's just full of young guys calling older people daddy, making gay jokes and taking Peds it's cringy honestly

[@MSKGrief]

His death has nothing to do with his lifestyle. This information was said by his family.

[@professorartlifts1268]

@@MSKGrief I think it's safe to assume that in a world where a lot of anabolic steroid users live short lives and all suspiciously have underlying conditions that supposedly aren't related to their ped use, his lifestyle was certainly to blame for his demise.

[@markbaker4425]

@@MSKGrief bullshit. The dude was zoomed on recreational and performance enhancing drugd. Stop being a blind nuthugger for a dead idiot

[@LeatherNinja]

@@MSKGrief it definitely was

[@nj8245]

Zyzz always seemed to me like many young guys in their early 20's: insecure, directionless, and searching for meaning in his life. His over-the-top persona, steroid use and ostensibly extravagant lifestyle (though attractive to many) were clear signs to me of a guy who still had a lot of work to do on himself. It's just a shame that he never got around to truly transforming himself into a role model that all the up-and-comers need and deserve.

[@johannduplessis3467]

Zyzz's brother already mentioned that Zyzz wanted to stop the trolling and rather inspire people just before he passed away.

[@user-vr2le8jb4d]

a lot of that extravagance or eccentricity i suppose was a persona crafted by him. something he wasn’t able to escape as he got larger. zyzz was very intelligent, a top student in class and also a self proclaimed nerd. the lifestyle and online megalomania seemed to be a bit too much for him and he was trying to change his image online just before his death

[@user-hl3qv8qg2s]

@@johannduplessis3467 exactly. in the last year Zyzz couldnt even go to a festival. because other men wanted to fight him, probably because all the women wanted pictures (and sex) with him. even women with boyfriends. being the "chad". is really dangerous sometimes. because other men on alcohol and drugs, will literally try to kill you if their girlfriend wants something with you. this is no joke. i worked in a club as security. and fights over women were a common thing. i personally watched 3 cases of stabbings over women. going to clubs, festivals etc. is not something safe. there are many dangerous aspects about that "lifestyle"

[@tillburr6799]

@@user-hl3qv8qg2s id assume this is something everyone would be aware of. Im a reasonable man, but jealous and drunk i have no doubt id be a dangerous fool and get someone else or myself stabbed

[@user-hl3qv8qg2s]

@@tillburr6799 well not everyone is aware of it. specially young people. imagine a 21 yo tall good looking dude, trying to have sex with a 28 yo woman. the 28yo woman will do it, without any problem. but that 28 yo woman, probably has a 32 yo man as a boyfriend or ex boyfriend.... a 32 yo man in most of the cases, will destroy the 21 yo. even if the 32 yo is smaller, the maturity makes you way dangerous sometimes. most 21 yo doesnt even know how to throw a punch

[@cozytown5540]

I always perceived him as a cautionary tale; Icarus flying too close to the sun. The fact that so many can relate to his nerdy, socially awkward origin is the reason it is so important to view him in this light.

[@user-hl3qv8qg2s]

the tragic/sad thing about zyzz. is that all he wanted was being jacked and have a lot of women.... but for what? i mean, you want to be attractive. to attract a person to be with. have a family eventually..... zyzz never had a girlfriend that i know of. he jumped girl to girl. party to party. its fun to do it, but after 10,20, 30 times... its not that fun. chestbrah commented that zyzz couldnt even go to parties/festivals anymore because other men wanted to fight him. everything he did... was pointless at the end. fun, but pointless. not clear objective at all

[@justingreek6428]

The weirdest part of Zyzz is that his physique isn't even unattainable. It's ridiculous to not only take PEDs, but to do it just as a shortcut. Had he simply been patient he could have had that build and kept it for years onward.

[@liamburns8554]

I agree in part, but to be that shredded minus the drugs would be tough

[@DolphR]

@@liamburns8554 would be miserable and unhealthy but not impossible

[@shugyosha7924]

nah no way. I think Zyzz's body is unattainable for the large majority of people. it's also unhealthy.

[@moreasmorebaes9996]

@@liamburns8554 Id disagree, u could be that shredded for a short period

[@liamburns8554]

@@moreasmorebaes9996 Agreed, a short period. But as all naturals know, keeping that up is too much. Hormones levels crash

[@rivaindaisies]

I love zyzz, but tbh I feel like gaining a physique like yours or his naturally would be so much more impressive and rewarding without PEDs even if it would take a while

[@SuperBetaBuxbros.]

Tbh

[@atune2682]

its definitly less risky

[@nitolinilo9034]

You have decades to do it, and if you start in your 20s or younger even better. Definitely much more worth it and just the quality of life long term and discipline built is worth it

[@shugyosha7924]

@@nitolinilo9034 You don't have decades. If you don't get a good body while you're still young the majority of its value is wasted.

[@nitolinilo9034]

@@shugyosha7924 I mean even if you start at 30 I really think there is hope for you. I weighed 100lbs when I was 20, I’m 23 now at ~170. But I do think the earlier the better it is to get active. I was just trying to get the idea across that the worth while physiques are after 5-10+ years out with smart programming. Well that and people need to unfollow or stop praising enhanced physiques/ progress.

[@10oz10]

As an Australian who grew up with zyzz’s persona, it’s more of an ironic worship, that doesn’t translate well into other countries culture, cos Australians have a very sarcastic way of talking where u listen to whats implied not what they say and Americans took his tongue in cheek persona without the ironic undertones and worshipped the wrong part

[@HkFinn83]

Yeh mate you’re onto something there. Or maybe he was just a fuckin tard who killed himself with tren and coke because he was so stupid he had no idea how to use the drugs his entire life was built on

[@benshipp1814]

i think a lot of people don't understand that it was a persona, not to be taken too seriously.

[@johannesschmitz6370]

It's not about his persona. It's about taking roids and naive people thinking they are gonna make it "naturally"

[@superhedgehog6447]

@@johannesschmitz6370 You do realize you can build a good amount of muscles naturally right? It's more challenging but not impossible.

[@johannesschmitz6370]

@@superhedgehog6447 yes.

[@danielwalley6554]

I think a good context to see Zyzz in is to remember... he was just a bloody kid. At 22 most people are still half children in their mind - they haven't learned wisdom or had enough experience yet. And it shows in what he valued most - the superficial. Of course - that's what young people value.

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

He was also told by medical professionals SINCE CHILDHOOD he didn’t have long to live

[@andrewwong3556]

I liked Zyzz because he introduced me to my favorite music genre, hardstyle. But later I realized he didn't even listen to hardstyle that often. Most of the iconic tracks associated with his name were produced after his death. He even has a video on his channel, 7zyzz7, dedicated to criticizing the genre itself. Like you said in the video, it's a mythification of his persona created by thousands of people on the internet.

[@omarsalim62]

Idk if you read comments NH but I just wanna say that you seriously helped me grow alot as a person with your videos, and I'm sure that there are many others who can appreciate your content as much as I do.

[@VictorLopez-dw7fg]

Without NH I genuinely believe I would have experimented with PED’s. I would have also still been training like an idiot lol

[@ArminEghdamiDrums]

I never experienced the full zyzz era, so i dont know what he actually stood for. Nowadays it seems he's just a symbol for anti simping and maybe the "sigma mindset" guys.

[@HauptmannGallenstein]

@Spooky Hephaestus no, actual sigmas are either in a situation where they don't have to rely on a job (=slavemaster) or societal acceptance to have the life that they want, or they go the spiritual route and become a monk. You can't be a sigma if you haven't won or inherited money because you will always have to play a fake agreeable role in society to get your shekels. Well, or like I said you completely free yours or from society but then you don't have to do anything with women anyways

[@Viking_Raven]

@Spooky Hephaestus No, why would he waste his time on pseudoscientific topics. No respectable psychologist will use those terms. Do yourself a favor young man and get that crap out of your head.

[@psilocybinenthusiast3695]

@Spooky Hephaestus all that alpha beta etc dogma is nonsense. Don’t pay attention to that crap.

[@lorenzolupica8833]

14:59 this guy called out Zyzz and Arnold in the same video...he's savege. Now you get he doesn't care about being likable rather just telling the truth. Respect for being a real on mister.

[@jarilo8639]

Zyzz was a 4channer, he grew up on there and became famous thanks to it. If you weren't from 4chan around that time you wouldn't get the complete Zyzz. He was a troll and never took it serious. Problem is that he didn't take it serious at all. Not taking your health seriously even if you aren't old and fat will get you into trouble. Also the guy was smart and hard working, but he had no intuition for training and the resources back then were crap for how to train properly. You don't get to be valedictorian or get into business school on a scholarship being dumb or lazy.

[@leonardo9259]

Lesson learned, don't visit 4chan

[@trujilloroldancarlosarturo4281]

@@leonardo9259 i have hear so many stories from that website that I would not put a single foot on 4 chan

[@darklord220]

@@trujilloroldancarlosarturo4281 4chan is the internet. Don't ever forget it.

[@trujilloroldancarlosarturo4281]

@@darklord220 Holy shit, thats true jajajaja these guys have Made a lot of stuff

[@dilhanmert1987]

First in australia there is no valedictorian there is dux. 2nd If he was a dux and ended up studying bussiness at the uni he did (worst uni of all australia ) he probably went to a highschool in the western suburbs of sydney where most of the kids dont even go to school I had been to such a school myself I had only 3 people in my math class. So being a dux in that kind of environment is very easy and doesnt make him smart.

[@englishbreno7659]

I never understood why so many people treat zyzz like a god

[@HauptmannGallenstein]

Because everybody wants to drink every week while being shredded

[@cameronburnard4240]

@@HauptmannGallenstein it ain't gonna happen lol

[@sobretudo3374]

@zyzz is god beta

[@Kaledrone]

@zyzz is god Wouldn't be liking your own comment if you weren't beta.

[@user-by5cj8sw2m]

@@HauptmannGallenstein bruh just eat clen

[@eduardoarriaga9524]

This guy is based af😂. We should all strive to have this quality. He doesn’t care if he’s right or wrong. He just states his opinion

[@SuperBetaBuxbros.]

“BaSeD” please come up with something different

[@abroamg]

@@SuperBetaBuxbros. slightly acidic?

[@rohanalias9053]

@@abroamg "definitely not acidic"

[@aesyamazeli8804]

@@SuperBetaBuxbros. alkaline

[@shugyosha7924]

dude I'm sure he cares if he's right or wrong

[@davincibz1]

Look at Kali Muscle, who's visiting the hospital due to heart issues now. He keeps blaming the diet he ate in the past, not the gear

[@numbers9696]

The diet easily could have played a big part though

[@eyeoftruth4405]

He recently talked about tren in his videos as a joke, but he admits using them at the same time

[@thegamechanger3317]

@Beast the Grim executioner actually, the other way around, the roid is shit for health and his diet made it worse.

[@thedrifter3892]

It's both, let's be sensible

[@soonahero]

@@thedrifter3892 everyone’s diet is shit (almost every American) but they usually live to 80

[@ripgeorgefloyd1489]

Everyone milked the "Zyzz Legacy" and made millions of profit , even his own brother. That's sad

[@coldblooded1127]

Sez you

[@kinggang2221]

"We're all gonna make it (if we take PEDs) brah" If your inspiration is a skinny introvert who used drugs to put on mass and get out of his shell then you're inevitably going to do the same thing and end up the same way. The fact he died so young because of this drug use only makes his most famous catchphrase more ridiculous.

[@Viking_Raven]

That's a stretch. I could list a number of common inspirational quotes from different people, doesn't correlate to your own decisions and mo's importantly the situations that impact your future. A very simplified mentality.

[@MrAlepedroza]

@@Viking_Raven There's still dudes out there who still claim "it was just his heart condition, bruh, drugs didn't kill him". Seeing how many fake natties and shit fitness influencers promoting bad lifts and dirty bulks are still around, I'm afraid the message will be a negative one.

[@texasbeaver8188]

I was only a baby when Zyzz died, but that's what always confused me about his following. He took a lot of stuff to look like he was 215lbs, lean. The few things that stood out about him were the traps, upper pecs, core, and his leanness. It was hard to imagine how ppl looked up to a guy who didn't seem to know how to train and was sauced to the gills despite not looking the part. No hate on the guy, he clearly had issues he needed to resolve and I'd rather not judge him harshly. I just feel he could've made it, that is: naturally, with maybe 80% of the aspects to his physique had he been patient and willing to settle for a little less. But I feel he may have been too normie to train as a natural, given his lackadaisical aptitude

[@johannduplessis3467]

King gang Everyone is always saying people should be more open about there ped use and now your telling people to rather lie about it. As a natural bodybuilder these sorts of comments really make me despise the natural fitness community.

[@MrTVx99]

He never told anyone to hurt themselves, people like you say everyone has a choice, but then somehow Zyzz is the reason people are taking PEDs even though he's dead. You ask most people why they got into lifting, they say Arnold but apparently that's okay. You can have Arnold as your role model if you're from a previous generation but the new generation is poisoned. You also have celebrities, Pro Strongmen, Pro Bodybuilders, Pro Powerlifters and Pro any athlete but then have the hypocrisy to say that Zyzz is inspiring people to take PEDs when all these athletes in mainstream media, sports and movies all take PEDs. I'm pretty sure he didn't tell anyone to take PEDs, people just use him as an excuse to do it. There are plenty of role models that people have in terms of fitness who use PEDs, Zyzz just got embodied as the gym bro who gave confidence to a generation of kids with no real guidance from anyone in the first place. Now am I saying he has a good lifestyle? No. Should he be a role model? No. But the fact that he is shows a problem in the World that we live in and it isn't just limited to Zoomers, it has always happened and it's becoming a massive problem now because of social media. If social media existed 30 years ago, you'd bet Arnold would be potrayed the same way. Although the appeal of a guy dying young and not reaching his full potential elevates the characters in the human mind. This is seen throughout history with soldiers, gladiators, fighters and people who meddle in danger in the first place. The mystery of not knowing what the guy could have done but also taking risks that other people won't just appeals to the human mind. Also let's not pretend that this destructive lifestyle role model is unique to fitness. You have people idolising rappers who were either gangsters, broke laws killed people, took drugs or died young. Few examples: Biggie, 2Pac, and Eminem who is still alive was a druggie with massive problems. Or you look at some sports. One of the greatest legends to ever live in sports Mike Tyson, had a destructive lifestyle too, drugs, hookers you name it. But people don't care, in fact they find inspiration in people having these problems and still being able to deal with it. There are plenty more examples all throughout the human generation in any field. Actually these people are way more famous than Zyzz and still alive today. But people ignore that and act like Zyzz is forcing people to do things from his grave. People don't have to be perfect for someone to look up to them as an idol. In fact their imperfection makes them more relatable to the normal person.

[@BaldOmniMan]

Tuning in for this one. No one really has spoken on this to my knowledge

[@whitefang9758]

NH has balls for this,he really is the first youtuber I've seen not just not worship zyzz,but calls out the negative side of worshipping him.

[@volusian95]

The point toward the end about how Zyzz's persona being all about promescuity goes to show how malleable and mythified the whole thing really is. All of the Zyzz shorts/tiktoks being made now are like "disregard women, aquire aesthetics", which is an improvement I suppose even if it's likely equally motivated by a sense of insecurity. But, it has nothing to do with Zyzz, since he had a totally different mentality.

[@mastertrey4683]

Problem with a lot of these “disregard women acquire aesthetics” guys is they don’t actually disregard women and think of aesthetics as a way to attract the opposite sex. While it pretty much is, theyre missing the point. If aesthetics is your passion thats another thing. But most people dont genuinely like the process. They don’t like eating chicken and rice meal prep or working out. They do it because that is their method of becoming attractive to women or MEN if you are gay or a woman. But it’s also just to be perceived by others better, to raise your social status. To me this is stupid but to most people who are looking for a nice little comfortable ignorant life I can understand. Become loved by other people because of how you look and base your happiness on that and as long as you are aesthetic you will be happy.

[@draco_1876]

Aesthetics is literally used a way to attract sex.

[@user-pr7ll4pe4j]

@@draco_1876 Not only, you can care about aestetic even in relashionship.

[@wakawaka1976]

A lot of empty people seem to need idols…. It’s like trashing religion to join the cult of woke-ism.

[@learnerlove6853]

For better and worse, the whole posthumous image of Zyzz is entirely removed from how he actually was. It’s a weird cult.

[@Pyryp2]

Remember that he had also taken some drugs (can't recall if it was cocaine or MDMA) and gone to a sauna. Steroids + rec drugs + dehydration is not a good combo.

[@stsk1061]

I just wanted to correct one part of the video: Zyzz didn't lift naturally for a year or two. He started lifting in December of 2006 and did his first cycle around May/June 2007.

[@youokaybuddyfitness]

Standard. Most of these guys started juicing from day 1 just low inhibition risk taking personas

[@gabeortiz8755]

I think Zyzz is such a big icon because he made fitness more fun, for sure he probably wasn't the best teacher but he inspired so many to work out which is very positive.

[@mateuszbak1060]

yes its a two headed sword

[@dilhanmert1987]

Yeah inspires so many dumb teemagers to workout take steroids and take recreational drugs which is very positive.

[@abstractpuma]

@@dilhanmert1987 Ad hate women, fat people, gay people and basically everyone who isn't "normal". (Not saying zyzz believed that but people use him as an icon for that)

[@lambdacode1503]

Quite based ngl

[@deece1482]

@@abstractpuma I hated all of those things (except women) before zyzz was popular. It's nothing new.

[@shaneduquette]

Most "cool" male archetypes are destined to die young. It's always been that way. The warrior, berserker, gladiator, motorcycle rider, gangster, Rambo, soldier, Tyler Durden, football player, street racer, rock star. They all live fast and die young.

[@aesyamazeli8804]

Wait Rambo didn't die right?

[@shaneduquette]

@@aesyamazeli8804 Sorry, you're right. I should have been more clear. I meant that the cool male archetype tends to be a very dangerous one. Not every motorcycle rider dies. Neither did Rambo. And Tyler Durden wasn't ever even completely alive.

[@draco_1876]

Zyzz was just a douche

[@MrTVx99]

Now this is the real point. The heroes die young and people worship them because they didn't know their potential. The mystery of not knowing what the guy could have done elevates them so much more. You said that in terms fighters and fitness athletes but look at 2Pac and Biggie. People are more obsessed with what could have been than what other people are doing.

[@shaneduquette]

@@MrTVx99 Ah, yeah, totally. Those are great examples.

[@denebstudios.8018]

I like the Mythical figure of Zyzz and the potential to make more people interested in lifting, in my case didn't get any urge to take PEDs or something like that because of him, but it was because I already had natural physiques role models (like AlphaDestiny and the Golden one) however, and after seeing this video, i understand that it could do more harm than good, leading to a whole generation of DYELS who are gonna LARP of aesthetic brahs only because they have a six pack

[@sahandmozdbar7430]

You really think the golden one is natty? Maybe he doesnt take anything now but a few years ago he did look a bit too big and lean, but maybe he was, something to strive for non the less

[@michals5737]

@@sahandmozdbar7430 he was roiding at the beginning of his youtube channel for sure

[@youokaybuddyfitness]

@@sahandmozdbar7430 golden one is never natty lmao

[@gregvaldez1269]

I like him and yeah he has many flaws , he also wasn't natty .

[@ABABABABABABABABABABBBBBB]

sahand mozdbar golden one is literally only 100kg at 6'2 and hes not shredded either. Not high FFMI

[@kjaxs4331]

I believe that the new content that has cropped up with him dancing and subtitles like "Opinion Rejected" are just turning into a cancer for the fitness youtube scene. Even the bigger names like Vitruvian Physique and Greg Doucette are hopping on that bandwagon. Really glad you touched on that.

[@H0mework]

Joaestetics just died and just like you said, a zyzz copycat will appear again. Another will appear. I'm glad I stayed natty.

[@e00d20]

that's insane... stay natty if you want to look good and live long. take roids if you want to look good and shorten life span.

[@DOMDZ90911]

What is most dangerous about these Zyzz clones is that their lifestyle is totally different from what they preach on social media. Joe always talked about positivity and being yourself yet he took boatload of steroids and his confidence was only due to taking them as he admitted on an IG story with Noel Deyzel that he said he doesnt feel as good when he's off steroids. Teens will look at their actions and what they actually do and try to copy it including taking steroids at an early age, but they can't be criticized because "oh look he's so nice and spreading positivity braza!".

[@user-he4ef9br7z]

​@@DOMDZ90911there's that and then there's a bunch of jealous people who pretend anyone on PEDs is a servant of the devil. "OMG I actually work hard for my gain😮😮😮😮" blah blah You can take PEDs and not be reckless and acknowledge risks and plan everything else accordingly. Just because you are enhanced doesn't mean you can't be a good person or a good role model.

[@doublevision2943]

Isn't Sam Sulek exactly that? Maybe not a Zyzz copycat but it was the usual story: Joesthetics dies, 1 day of pretentious shock and next day they all obsess over the new roid experiment in the name of Sam Sulek.

[@respectedmastermind]

Zyzz has made almost zero damage in my training journey.. when i started training at 17 he was already dead (2014) and i naively thought i could look like him or a random gym model with pushups and pullups in my room and running (cause i was thinking calisthenics gave better results). The entire industry and the fake natties made more damage in my personal journey but i see and approve your message

[@carson7011]

I starved myself because of fake natties

[@respectedmastermind]

@@carson7011 me too bro, not cause of zyzz tho

[@JonclashHq]

@@carson7011 yoooo hold on, how could you starve yourself because of some fitness influencer? no offense, just pure being curious

[@JonclashHq]

@@respectedmastermind same question as Carson

[@lgrazy]

The zyzz legacy died somewhere in 2015-2016. what we have now is zoomers from tiktok acting like he is the god off fitness

[@atune2682]

sadly true its an absolute shame atm cant believe what happened unfortunatly with him dead he cant change the mainstreams view on him

[@luisangel2842]

Good points I appreciate you making this video and understand your point of view. For me personally Zyzz was so influential when I started lifting I started my lifting journey at 20 back in 2019 and I could barely bench press the barbell itself and I was really embarrassed by this especially since I would train alone. Watching Zyzz videos help me so much overcome my anxiety and even if I knew I wasn't close to his physique I was still so motivated to make it I'm glad I found Zyzz

[@ArminEghdamiDrums]

My whole freaking thread is full of zyzz memes these days

[@ElloYuchub]

The most overused meme template

[@anandhua.b4589]

it was kinda funny at first but now it's just so overused that i hate it

[@DexxxxT]

Hardstyle is not music

[@jaedii7287]

ReJeCt WoMaN eMbRaCe MaScUlInItY

[@RedPanda_______]

Fantastic video! Thank you for not following the crowd and saying the unpopular opinion. People praise Zyzz way too much and he has become an icon that never existed. If he didn't die, he wouldn't be as popular as he is now.

[@dennisnordlund902]

Thank you!!! Finally someone who agrees with me. People get f ing livid as soon as I’ve said more or less the same thing. Zyzz ruined fitness for a generation and is rising from the grave to ruin another.

[@bambostarla6259]

Inspiring a generation to lift ruined said generation?

[@chrisc.1005]

Cold hard truths 🥶 Zyzz represents nothing more than drug addiction and lack of self awareness

[@biggiecheese570]

There are way better role models such as my coath. He might be 5ft 3 but he used to be a mercenary and reverse grips 500lbs. The pinnacle of masculinity if you ask me.

[@anantbijolia8415]

I saw him in person, very intimidating. Bigger than the Hodge twins.

[@bigsmoke4]

If you don't have a hanging belly do not talk about masculinity

[@omarsalim62]

@@anantbijolia8415 combined

[@amkool6135]

Jason is the same height as Jeff seid... Jeff seid is taller than chestbrah... which makes Jason the same height as zyzz... Checkmate son

[@psilocybinenthusiast3695]

@@anantbijolia8415 and Serge Nubret

[@bigsmoke4]

Bro died over a physique that's achievable naturally 💀💀

[@AdolfHitler-lk4vo]

its not tho

[@draco_1876]

@@AdolfHitler-lk4vo it is tho. He literally looks like people on highschool football and wrestling teams

[@AdolfHitler-lk4vo]

@@draco_1876 and u think they arent on roids?

[@techiskek]

@@AdolfHitler-lk4vo it is given you work out for like 5 years plus good diet and a good workout routine not the shit zyzz did

[@MrTVx99]

I'd rather die doing something I love then to just get to 80 just for the sake of it. There are people who do dangerous things all the time, go to space, do extreme sports like underwater cave exploring, free solo climbing and many die. I don't know why people get enjoyment out of people dying early doing something they liked as if you should only live life one way. And especially if they left behind a legacy and people remember them.

[@HolyPowerup]

He only deserves the credit for making some men go to the gym, which is a double edged sword. Since he "motivated" people work out but, an absolute FUCKTON of people hopped on gear because of him. People idolise this guy as some sort of god which is fucking ridiculous because, he pretty much encouraged kids to hop on gear and gave them a bad self image whenever they didnt get 10 years of progress in 6 months.

[@MrTVx99]

He never told anyone to hurt themselves, people like you say everyone has a choice, but then somehow Zyzz is the reason people are taking PEDs even though he's dead. You ask most people why they got into lifting, they say Arnold but apparently that's okay. You can have Arnold as your role model if you're from a previous generation but the new generation is poisoned. You also have celebrities, Pro Strongmen, Pro Bodybuilders, Pro Powerlifters and Pro any athlete but then have the hypocrisy to say that Zyzz is inspiring people to take PEDs when all these athletes in mainstream media, sports and movies all take PEDs. I'm pretty sure he didn't tell anyone to take PEDs, people just use him as an excuse to do it. There are plenty of role models that people have in terms of fitness who use PEDs, Zyzz just got embodied as the gym bro who gave confidence to a generation of kids with no real guidance from anyone in the first place. Now am I saying he has a good lifestyle? No. Should he be a role model? No. But the fact that he is shows a problem in the World that we live in and it isn't just limited to Zoomers, it has always happened and it's becoming a massive problem now because of social media. If social media existed 30 years ago, you'd bet Arnold would be potrayed the same way. Although the appeal of a guy dying young and not reaching his full potential elevates the characters in the human mind. This is seen throughout history with soldiers, gladiators, fighters and people who meddle in danger in the first place. The mystery of not knowing what the guy could have done but also taking risks that other people won't just appeals to the human mind. Also let's not pretend that this destructive lifestyle role model is unique to fitness. You have people idolising rappers who were either gangsters, broke laws killed people, took drugs or died young. Few examples: Biggie, 2Pac, and Eminem who is still alive was a druggie with massive problems. Or you look at some sports. One of the greatest legends to ever live in sports Mike Tyson, had a destructive lifestyle too, drugs, hookers you name it. But people don't care, in fact they find inspiration in people having these problems and still being able to deal with it. There are plenty more examples all throughout the human generation in any field. Actually these people are way more famous than Zyzz and still alive today. But people ignore that and act like Zyzz is forcing people to do things from his grave. People don't have to be perfect for someone to look up to them as an idol. In fact their imperfection makes them more relatable to the normal person.

[@ScEscapism]

"You have the muscle mass of a yogurt" Croissant man 2021 LMFAO

[@atlaspowershrugged]

I was on /fit/ back when he used to post. People liked him because he was usually encouraging and actually posting on 4chan made him seem like a man of the people moreso than other "influencers" Although we didn't call them that at the time. A lot of folks on /fit/ were really sad, wanted to see one of them suceed. I think that's why people developed warm feelings for him, although it has mutated into something else since then as you say.

[@GibsonReal]

Something that we didn’t want to be said, but something that needed to be said. Also - WOW! This video has ZERO dislikes!

[@Croissantrophy.meme.channel]

Well... KZbin don't show dislikes no more so...

[@GibsonReal]

@@Croissantrophy.meme.channel that’s… that’s the joke

[@fdsafsgrgsdg242]

@@GibsonReal then try to make it funny next time

[@jibijay]

Get the browser extension that brings back the dislikes.

[@Croissantrophy.meme.channel]

@@GibsonReal ooh my bad 😂

[@chattingesque372]

Zyzz bullied and humliated innocent women who did nothing against him.

[@draco_1876]

@OMEGA LOL corny

[@kzg_12]

He was just joking with them, but yeah not the best showcase of character to women

[@ResistanceQuest]

A strong combination of facts, passion, and argument. Great video

[@MarcoB123]

I remember seeing his quote and thinking that it was a good message, especially to natural bodybuilders. However, this is a great video NH, you made a lot of points that many have overlooked.

[@Scott-nk4rr]

"he inspired me so much" - only dancing for a camera. People who say zyzz Inspired them are doorknobs

[@telesniper2]

13:33 LMAO

[@KaanEsenkurt56]

39:22

[@GabrielMartinsFitness]

Good genetics in body building is not muscle attachments or muscle gain or anything, good genetics means not dying from steroids side effects before 40

[@_Brennus]

We went from Jack Lalanne, who wouldn't even take an aspirin and lived to be 96, to Zyzz.

[@chattingesque372]

Yep. 😞

[@imadrian0524]

Charles Atlas and Jack Lalanne should be role model not Zyzz

[@sonluu4410]

24 mins in, I dont know the real Zyzz, but I like the mythified Zyzz these days. Kinda wholesome and positive.

[@pinecone4610]

Kind of off topic, but I hate that people glorify the idea that “theyre killing themselves for gains and aesthetics, that’s so cool”. It’s not, and it never will be.

[@emilmihaylov5746]

I agree with most of your points. It would be interesting if you made a video with your opinion on the whole modern notion/justification of ‘casual sex is masculine’ (you mentioned it concerning some of the later points in this video) since I’ve been torn on the topic.

[@texasbeaver8188]

What's so cool about having sex with a bunch of 10/10 women, anyways? I'd rather with one woman with a 10/10 personality and 5+/10 looks(for me) that I'm deeply affectionate for. That, to me, is 'hot.' "Hedonism eliminates the ability to love"

[@Lugg187]

I'll be honest, I started lifting and took inspiration from Zyzz about 6 years ago. With Zyzz it started but I can recognize how dumb his approach was.

[@eE737]

You know, the last part about our relationship with women hit me hard. I'm an attractive dude saving myself for marriage, but when I see other attractive men have s3x with lots of women, there's a tempting thought that I'm missing out. The thought speaks to me saying, "You get attention from attractive women but you're over here saving yourself for a woman who probably will look very mediocre?! What's the matter with you. Go out there and get some baddies before you grow old and regret it for the rest of your life!" But then I see a video like this and realize that these Hollywood men, these Instagram men with hundreds of thousands of female followers are not good role models for me. I remember why I'm saving myself and that's because I respect women deeply, but more so, I respect myself and my future wife who whether or not looks mediocre, will have a 10/10 personality and 10/10 values . Not saying that just because you're not saving yourself that you don't respect neither yourself nor women, but that having meaningful s3x is more masculine and a lot deeper than casual, non-meaningful s3x.

[@davida5053]

Love this comment

[@Paroex]

You'd have a point IF there were a dichotomy between meaningful married sex vs. meaningless non-married sex, but that's a distinction you've made entirely in your own brain in order to justify your decisions. So for YOU, pre-marital sex is not as "deep" or "masculine". But to a huge number of people in the world, sex outside of marriage can be every bit as meaningful if we so choose, because we alone create our own attitude towards our sexual/romantic partners and the intimacy we have with them. Not being married, and having more than one sexual partner, does not by default mean that we treat our partners as disposable receptacles or worthless casual encounters. CAN you do that? Certainly. But you can also have respectful, emotional, intimate, lasting, and trusting intimate relationships with people you're not married to. More than once in a lifetime, even! Respect, meaning, and intimacy are not finite resources.

[@thepepperypickle2980]

I agree pre martial sex can be nearly as fulfilling but only if it's in a relationship that you know will likely end up in marriage. You can't safely separate the physical aspect of sex from the spiritual. Pornography is the closest to that and it's a horrible plague on the world

[@HkFinn83]

Listen my man, do what you want to make yourself happy, but I don’t think you should see being a virgin as respectful to women or your future wife. That’s a male way of thinking, women don’t want that from you

[@garthfairfield8043]

You talking about one of the pillars of true manhood brother.

[@nekittt100]

Also not a big fan of the misogyny undertones some of these zyzz memes have, I could see how shit like "female detected, opinion rejected" is not a good influence at all to young dudes

[@SuperBetaBuxbros.]

Calling them undertones would be an understatement , they’re blatantly misogynistic

[@dopamineinaformofashort]

I'm fine with it because they are directed towards women with mainly stupid opinions.

[@kzg_12]

Deserved tbh (Most) women are utterly stupid

[@baiatu5169]

Had to pop the 1.5 viewing speed for this one. This is a really good (and respectful) critique of Zyzz and mainly his followers and copycats. A lot of younger guys fall for this false idol and either end up on gear at 16 or entirely giving up lifting after 6 months because theyre not jacked. It is sad to watch. I understand enjoying the memes and I like the positive image of everyone being able to make it, but people need to know who their idol really was and why he was so deathly wrong.

[@qwertyq4073]

Im glad someone finally has some balls to take the heat from normie gymbros and remind people Zyzz was awful as a role model

[@nikolasimoni5018]

He wasnt a good role model but he inspired alot of nerds and gamers ro go to the gym and always motivated them in videos thats why they love him and he showed them the good and the bad

[@texasbeaver8188]

Nikola, I don't wanna be the contrarian, but I have this idea I've always wondered about Zyzz & his following: how far did his inspiration carry his fans? What if they put in work in the gym and they never get close to him and get discouraged? He was, after all, the guy who took lots of gear to look like a fitness model. Counteracting the potential pessimism I just put out, someone like NH is quite inspiring. He's a natural who used to be very frail - a former gamer too - and he, in my opinion, "made it," as Zyzz said. There is none of that "other side" I have to think about with NH and other naturals. That is what I think makes a "true" inspiration.

[@hokray]

@@texasbeaver8188 i simply couldn't agree more

[@MrTVx99]

@@texasbeaver8188 He never told anyone to hurt themselves, people like you say everyone has a choice, but then somehow Zyzz is the reason people are taking PEDs even though he's dead. You ask most people why they got into lifting, they say Arnold but apparently that's okay. You can have Arnold as your role model if you're from a previous generation but the new generation is poisoned. You also have celebrities, Pro Strongmen, Pro Bodybuilders, Pro Powerlifters and Pro any athlete but then have the hypocrisy to say that Zyzz is inspiring people to take PEDs when all these athletes in mainstream media, sports and movies all take PEDs. I'm pretty sure he didn't tell anyone to take PEDs, people just use him as an excuse to do it. There are plenty of role models that people have in terms of fitness who use PEDs, Zyzz just got embodied as the gym bro who gave confidence to a generation of kids with no real guidance from anyone in the first place. Now am I saying he has a good lifestyle? No. Should he be a role model? No. But the fact that he is shows a problem in the World that we live in and it isn't just limited to Zoomers, it has always happened and it's becoming a massive problem now because of social media. If social media existed 30 years ago, you'd bet Arnold would be potrayed the same way. Although the appeal of a guy dying young and not reaching his full potential elevates the characters in the human mind. This is seen throughout history with soldiers, gladiators, fighters and people who meddle in danger in the first place. The mystery of not knowing what the guy could have done but also taking risks that other people won't just appeals to the human mind. Also let's not pretend that this destructive lifestyle role model is unique to fitness. You have people idolising rappers who were either gangsters, broke laws killed people, took drugs or died young. Few examples: Biggie, 2Pac, and Eminem who is still alive was a druggie with massive problems. Or you look at some sports. One of the greatest legends to ever live in sports Mike Tyson, had a destructive lifestyle too, drugs, hookers you name it. But people don't care, in fact they find inspiration in people having these problems and still being able to deal with it. There are plenty more examples all throughout the human generation in any field. Actually these people are way more famous than Zyzz and still alive today. But people ignore that and act like Zyzz is forcing people to do things from his grave. People don't have to be perfect for someone to look up to them as an idol. In fact their imperfection makes them more relatable to the normal person.

[@texasbeaver8188]

@@MrTVx99 I both see your point and am also confused. But I'll try to explain myself. My intention is not to be antagonistic. I see one of your points was that I'm somewhat of hypocrite for not calling out other PED users like Arnold and only focusing on Zyzz. I'll state first that I have the same opinion of Arnold and other guys as I do of Zyzz. I was simply stating my opinion *specifically* on Zyzz and how he wasn't a good *enough* role model. I don't doubt that he was an inspiration for many people. But we already have an abundance of idols like Zyzz who promote instant gratification and gains w/o being able to show them how to get there. (Jeff Seid's a blatantly bad reincarnation of Zyzz). Same with Arnold, he had garbage programs and sold out w his "Blueprint to Bodybuilding." Pump training gets naturals nowhere. Zyzz didn't know how to train properly. Wasn't he a personal trainer? Ppl aspire to get to Zyzz's level, but they have no guidance on how. How can they believe they'll "make it" when their idol sauced hard and wasn't even very big? To add insult to injury, ppl even say Zyzz had "good genetics." They just might want to sauce it up too when they aren't where they want to be. Ofc, with all that being said, this isn't always the case. The ppl who don't sauce it up but still have Zyzz as an inspiration I've noticed, relied on other inspirations. Guys who could actually teach them about training, guys like AlphaDestiny or Geoffrey Verity Schofield. If ppl only had guys like Zyzz as role models, they'd be fucked. Most of social media is plagued by the "offspring" of Zyzz. It is no wonder many of their followers are small. Guys like NH, AD, and GVS prob have the largest followings of naturals who actually "made it." And I thought it was interesting you brought up Mike Tyson, bc I believe he's prob the best role model out of all the celebs you listed. I'm sure Mike did A LOT of bad things in his life, but look at him now. He's changed a lot and cares about his family and battled many of his imperfections. He never succumbed to them. That's a success story. I don't really vilify Zyzz, I just feel bad for him. He should've served as a lesson not to sacrifice your health for instant gratification. He was most likely a deeply insecure person(like many lifters were) who thought steroids would save him. But sadly, they killed him in the end. You said, "Zyzz just got embodied as the gym bro who gave confidence to a generation of kids with no real guidance from anyone." Kids with no good role models in their life are extremely vulnerable to these idols who promote instant gratification. We need more guys like NH, we already have enough Zyzz'es. I hope you can see that and aren't blinded from that just bc you may have a soft spot for the guy.

[@volcommerce]

amazing podcast from start to finish, highly enjoyed this one

[@josh_ken]

Dude I agree with you 100%. Feel sad for all the kids who are still idolizing him

[@lioncross1849]

Sobering opinion. The videos and memes are addicting but when you look closer at his body language, you see that he was awkward and shy. He has no outward personality or opinions outside of sarcasm and silly trolling but in some of those brief videos of him talking he gave the fleeting image of charisma.

[@ScEscapism]

Interesting take on the topic, personally i agree with 99% of what you said, only thing i resonate with is quote of his (we're all gonna make it), because i believe if everyone pushes themselves we will achieve what we want, good video, appreciate that you are not afraid to speak out, i respect that. not like lots of other people, also in my opinion the dead can be criticized, just attacks on the person who is dead is something i would never do, which you didn't, it was you critique certain topics you disagreed with. Much respect

[@CharliePersonalTrainer]

The dude was: post-emo -i'll harm my self with roids instead of cutting my arms- neo-scene -i'll look good because of pumped up muscles instead of flashy hair or whatever- half-natty early 2000s wave

[@cilo902]

He wasn't stupid. Top in his class and captain of the chess club at one point. It's important to separate Zyzz from Aziz when discussing him imo

[@Pedro_Le_Chef]

"Yes I was in the chess club" "It just works"

[@chattingesque372]

Zyzz was created and promoted by Aziz

[@techiskek]

I highly doubt he was even in a chess club

[@gravitytraining6516]

Yeah Zyzz had problems but he was seriously the hero young guys wanted, and having a hero is a rare thing these days.

[@Frogstomp27]

I'm neutral on Zyzz, but let me explain. It's not really good to have a real person be your hero. If it's a fictional character, all of the ideas that come from the hero are fictional, so there's no harm. Idolizing a real person, no matter what, gives you false ideas of a person that actually exists, so they seem more real to you.

[@gravitytraining6516]

@@Frogstomp27 note I said Zyzz, not Aziz. Aziz was a hectic hedonist who doesn't see past today, and used any amount of drugs or partying to have a good time. Zyzz taught people to get what they want and not care about what people say. I know I speak like a Zyzz fanboy when I say that but I don't care, I'm speaking objectively

[@omarsalim62]

Yeah even tho I agree with most things said in this vid zyzz always has and always will be a hero to me

[@samueltaylor9935]

My issue with zyzz is that bruh like he died at 22. He didn’t make it lol

[@MrTVx99]

@@samueltaylor9935 Depends on your definition of "made it". If it's fame, money, good aesthetics and inspiring millions even after you die, then yes, he made it. More than most people will have by 90.

[@Denstar2002]

You'r channel is very eye opening. One of the few to talk about reality.

[@Jayyy967]

Your honesty and lack of virtual signaling is top tier

[@trev6664]

If Zyzz were still alive today, hed be cashing in. Selling all kinds of useless supplements, giving terrible fitness advice, giving teens body dysmorphia (hes still doing that), just like Jeff cavaliere and Greg Doucette do now. Its sad.

[@atune2682]

bullshit zyzz would give great advice and wheres the shit advice that greg doucette is giving? answer if you have balls

[@johannduplessis3467]

You can't make assumptions what he would be doing. So when your dead people can assume what a terrible person you may or may not have been

[@trev6664]

@@johannduplessis3467 When im dead, people are free to make whatever assumptions they want. Its up to me to live a life that would make people assume good things about me after I die. Zyzz did not do that, or at least that is what i think...

[@Mrimadeyoufall]

Zyzz motivated me to fight my social anxiety and start enjoying life and not caring about others opinions. Never gonna get on gear but still like the guy for his energy. Good video though NH 👌

[@gevinblazkowicz771]

I needed to hear this. Thank you!

[@kemptonbryan]

I didn’t know who zyzz was until recently hit the last few months tons of videos about him have popped up in my feed. Glad you made this to provide some better information.

[@MV-ch3mm]

Other things to say about being in the casual sex scene, are: it's distracting, stressful, unfullfilling, expensive and it takes a lot of free time. Also most randos won't frick you the way you like, that comes with intimacy. Not worth it.

[@Frogstomp27]

And Zyzz wasn't even involved in it at all. He probably only got laid once or twice. It was all show

[@DexxxxT]

There is an extension for Chrome and Firefox to see the dislikes. It's called returnyoutubedislike

[@KM-04]

Awesome analysis mate! Keep up the great work!

[@GuillaumeLeValiant]

I love Zyzz for the motivation he gave me back in the days (he was funny) and his genetics (muscles insertions) are for me still the best to this day. But that's pretty much it. He wasn't a good role model (bad lifestyle and steroids and others drugs abuse, smoking...), he wasn't healthy and died very young pretty much because of this. But we can admit that, at least, he was real and honest, unless most of these fake natties nowadays (and i don't say this as an excuse, but rather to compare him with even worse people than him). He never had an actual impact on my life, despite the fact he made me discover hardstyle (wich i still love to listen to this day), but that's pretty much it. I never wanted to follow all his bad choices and the steps that led him to death. Edit : i gave a like to your video, because i agree with almost everything you said!

[@MB2.0]

FUARK

[@gregvaldez1269]

Yeah I used to like him a lot but recently and especially until I saw this video he was nowhere near the prophet some people think of him as .

[@gregvaldez1269]

Yeah I agree about hardstyle too.

[@GuillaumeLeValiant]

@Zen I couldn't care less about bodybuilding (in a competitive sense, if that's what you mean). I just talk about the overall flaw of his physique. Ofc he had lagging legs and back, but he's still way more aesthetic than these mass monster or even Classic competitor (at least in my eyes). And drugs aside, his result were realistically achievable naturally, hence more motivational for the average Joe like me. And again, i was only giving my opinion on my ideal body, not on what's best or not.

[@namean6624]

just sad how the bullying got to him to the point where he was addicted to more than just substances. Gorgeous physique but at a great cost. I don't know if a day goes by where his brother isn't thinking about how he could have let his bro go down this path... I see him for what he was and unfortunately some people do need to hear this.

[@scottrc5391]

His brother was largely responsible. Zyzz was tolerable but his brother was/is a complete tool. Watch the video of him responding to some bodybuilder. The guy seriously still refers to himself as "chest-brah" and threatens constantly to take off his shirt and beat his chest like an ape.

[@shaftsburry1773]

One of the reasons I personally think that Zyzz made such an impact is because of how many massive problems he had. When I first found Zyzz I identified with his problems, and honestly his tragedy did have at least some impact on me trying to get on the right track. I know other guys who also identified with him because of how messed up he was, and turned things around to avoid that same tragedy. Of course, the worship is terrible and the fanboys just get weird.

[@billbergmann7840]

i never understood the hype of zyzz. I totally agree with you NH

[@mateojovani]

This is my favourite video by NH, so many profound truths and lessons

[@sir0nion]

This was inevitable considering all the Reject X, Embrace Y shorts going around.

[@axelnova123]

I can already see dyles malding over this video, good to see there's still someone with an ounce of integrity in this platform, good on you NH, good on you.

[@Squatzoatz]

this video is literally a dyel malding because hes jealous

[@koletok4646]

@@Squatzoatz >callin NH a dyel dyel spotted

[@gaelicgorilla]

@@Squatzoatz jealous of a dead dude who had a mediocre physique without gear? Cope

[@Squatzoatz]

@@gaelicgorilla jealous that zyzz actually appealed to women, unlike the both of you

[@gaelicgorilla]

@@Squatzoatz you are projecting bud, also sounds like you are kinda attracted to him.

[@luanasuka]

This was a great video. I laughed so much that i can skip my ab workout for today.

[@Legacy-Talks]

My two original inspirations for lifting when I got started in this back in 2012 were Zyzz and Greg Plitt. Moreso Zyzz than it was Greg. But as I grew older and entered into my early 30s, that flipped and now of my two fitness inspirations, Greg Plitt is the most relevant to me today. It's because what he was doing, was not something that was short lived, it was sustainable. Zyzz lived the fast and short life. While Plitt was the undisputed top fitness model for over a decade. You would see guys rise in the industry and then a year later never heard from again. To see a man still be at the very top at age 37 with no sign of slowing down has been inspirational, and his mindset for creating a real legacy of meaning, and not living a life second best to your true potential spoke to me. The reason I believe Greg Plitt is no longer spoken of, while Zyzz's legacy has only grown is two-fold. 1. Society is more about quick fixes and attention spans are lower than ever(social media in part is to blame) and 2. Greg's manner of passing has sadly caused a lot of people to be turned off from him before even giving his information a chance. Anyway this wall of text is just to bring awareness if you're a new lifter looking for a role model. Many claim Greg was not natural and looking at his highly edited magazine photos may lead you to believe this. But look at videos of him and draw your own conclusion from there.

[@superhedgehog6447]

It's so sad that my generation thinks building muscle naturally is impossible. Seriously, these quick fixes and fake naturals are ruining long term goals and hard work building muscles naturally. I also agree with you on the Social thing. Teenagers seeing a bunch of unrealistically big and shredded guys on Instagram and trying to get that imagine without knowing you can't get it naturally. It's just a mess.

[@derekspec3352]

I love Greg plot and Zyzz as well

[@mishan3168]

Zyzz is if word "shortcut " was a person . Very very good analysis tho

[@javilo2797]

I used to play with Zyzzz in COD4 in xbox live. I didnt know it was him until a couple of yers later. This was around 2008-2009 And btw he was among the best players in my friend list

[@kzg_12]

How'd you know it was him

[@dogwater6263]

I couldn’t help but cringe after seeing that Josh Brett video on him, and many of the thoughts you expressed here explain exactly why. _The_ _Legend_ _of_ _Zyzz_ lol what a joke

[@dangernoodle2868]

I think that these days we have more honest discussions about Zyzz but this is probably the most honest and no-BS one in it's honesty and willingness to be critical. We need more people talking about the emptyness of steroids. I never considered jumping on the juice but this tide needs to rise since so many are questioning their nattyness these days.

[@Irrational_Pie]

I recall seeing zyzz threads on the misc and /fit/ and being discouraged that a guy my age so quickly overshot my own progress (at least in the upper body) through drugs, even though I started training at an earlier age. I kept at it naturally, and by the time he died he was barely bigger than me.

[@thynaruto]

I think Zyzz's persona is overall good to fitness. 1. Zyzz's early death allows people to know the danger of PED. 2. Zyzz is often used as a motivation and support the "weak" people who tries to get "Healthier". I'm talking about experienced gymbros should support beginner/fatty/nerf who workout in the gym like family, getting them encouragement and have faith in improving themselves. (I'm not talking about those cringe reject modernity/fat/gay embrace masculinity video)

[@draco_1876]

No. He literally bullied other people like an asshole and was a terrible person overall.

[@Alex_Dul]

This is the exact reason I suscribed to this channel.

[@nomadicstrength]

I got lucky. My idols when I was young were Elliot Hulse, Omar Isuf, and Bruce Lee. I already enjoyed a more natural physique, dudes like Matt Ogus really repelled me.

[@nomadicstrength]

@Mani Matter that's what I mean lol

[@imadrian0524]

My role model is Charles Atlas or the early 20th century bodybuilders before steroids era

[@pedrosantos3712]

Matt Ogus repels anyone with a brain

[@lazo3251]

It is not more impressive to be natural but it is more healthy. The choice is up to each person but me personally, I would rather live a long life with a great natural physique than a short life with an amazing enhanced physique.

[@PostureKing_]

FYI - There's a chrome browser extension to add the dislike count back 'Return KZbin Dislike'.

[@leonidas4998]

Zoomer opinion rejected/accepted zyzz memes are cringe tbh

[@denisn8336]

Cry about

[@theeternalgus9119]

This'll be good for Saturday's cardio session.

[@mr.100rupees3]

I've always seen Zyzz as a figure with the general message of not being too quick to personally judge others(e.g if they use gear) and to support people in fitness, not so much about if what he did to his body is something for people to copy, he had his faults and struggles like we all do. "We're all gonna make it" implying we all have our own journey. This is/was my view before finishing this video