Was the Empire Better Prepared for the Yuuzhan Vong War?

[@johnpatz8395]

Ironically had Palpatine widely publicized what he knew of the "coming invasion," it would have helped solidify the empire, as nothing builds support for a govt like the threat of imminent invasion or destruction by their "enemies." This not only would have strengthened the empire, but likely kept the resistance from growing large enough to threaten the empire, as many would see the resistance as hurting the empire's ability to defend them and their planets from the coming invasion. The info would be best to released a little at a time, so as to keep the public on edge, and could have been built upon by sending probes into areas the vong were in, or just ahead of their approach. This could not only perhaps provide more information to help prepare the military, but also provides footage of the Vong ships, and their attacks on the probes, for the empire's PR campaign to keep people worried.

[@braincell4536]

That would also cause a lot of panic. Causing more problems. And no one would have even believe old darth syphilis

[@davido.1233]

@@braincell4536 well, if Palpatine indeed found out about the Vong when he was Chancellor of the Republic, a calculated move would have been to inform the Jedi Council, thereby allowing them to form a task force of their very own, even going so far as to include the clone army and the Separatist armies, and plan for the invasion 50 years prior to it actually happening. With the Jedi "on his side", Palpatine could have rallied forces from across the galaxy and have the faith of the government (The Senate trusted the Jedi at that point) and would have been faithful to him for as long as he was in power. That way, any Jedi potential would have been accepted into the Order, forgoing any age restriction, and thus increasing the size of the army tenfold. If you look at the Legends Jedi Order after the empire's defeat, there are many older people and fewer children (save for the Skywalker and Solo kids) by the time of the Vong War (most of which have been recruited when they were middle-aged or mid-20s/30s). So, basically, Anakin's kids, who were originally born after Order 66, would have been born into the Order under the new Republic army Initiative and trained from birth to be Jedi Warriors. If the Jedi Order of the Old Republic was still around by the time the Vong Invaded, skilled warriors and strategists would be able to command great legions of clones, civilians, and droids against the invasion, and be able to save worlds that would otherwise be destroyed or converted by the Vong. Also, all the planets that produce chocolate would have been saved (In the original Vong war, 6 out of the 7 planets that produce were ravaged).

[@mulletmann6558]

Even more ironically the jedi would have joined with palpatine against a greater threat that would see countless more lives lost than palpatine ever would as supreme chancellor or whatever the fuck he called himself at the time.

[@weik-2936]

@Something New Plus would the Vong even have attempted their invasion at a time when a strong centralized power controlled the Galaxy? All of the Vong vs Empire scenarios seem to operate on the assumption that the Vong will invade without taking into consideration who they are fighting

[@jscorpio1987]

John Patz you mean the rebel alliance? The resistance during Palpatine’s rule.

[@andrewlim9345]

Imagine if the Yuuzhan Vong had been the main villains in the Sequel Trilogy instead of the First Order.

[@hightechredneck8587]

It could have been fantastic.

[@TheArrowedKnee]

@@hightechredneck8587 "We were on the verge of greatness, we were *this* close"

[@TarsonTalon]

The one problem I can see for this is that it could too easily become an R rated film. This isn't good for marketing and mass appeal.

[@winstonlewis5630]

Tarson Talon not at all many movies nowadays are pg13 venom, Jurassic world, avatar all those have serious themes and have killing in them

[@davidstrangeDMC]

Kathleen Kennedy would still have hired the same writers/directors and the movies would have been just as bad or worse. We would still have had no back story of where the vong came from or there motivation for invading lol it would have still been a re write of new hope just with different aliens in a way I’m glad we got 3 half ass movies because I heard John favreau and David filoni ( two mega Star Wars fans with real original ideas and know what the source material is about) and that could mean we may have a chance for a good movie in the future? One can hope anyway lol

[@vincentmartel6044]

Yuuzhan vong: arrive in a galaxy firmly in imperial rule. Sees executor ,death star and eclipse. Current objective: survive

[@MOMOFCJ6]

Sees suncrusher the son the inferno or blaze

[@ennui9745]

Considering that the Vong literally had hundreds, even thousands of planet-sized warships, I don't think they'd be as afraid of Imperial ships and superweapons as you think. The New Republic had Star Destroyers left over from the Empire and fought the Vong with them. Granted the Death Star could destroy Yuuzhan Vong worldships, which would make it a priority target for the Vong fleets.

[@EMlNENCJA]

Based

[@calvinmatthews1527]

I know one thing: Canon New Republic wouldn't stand a small chance against the Yuuzhan Vong.

[@Crick1952]

Haha 😂 This New Republic would have surrendered to the first puddle jumper they saw!

[@randomcenturion7264]

They couldn't even beat the Bargain Bin Imperial Remnant (First Order.) The Vong would have massacred them in a week at most, two days minimum.

[@roguelead72]

Canon New Republic would've lost to Legends New Republic.

[@theshadesofreal9372]

Both New Republics didn't stand a chance to be honest. Only reason that they did win wasn't because of them it was because of Imperial and other faction entering into the war and also dessention in their ranks towards the end

[@roguelead72]

@@theshadesofreal9372 Legends NR was holding on even after Coruscant fell, and yes it did take some underhanded tactics to get a functional government again.

[@hamishsewell4214]

If Palps has hauled a Vong creature in front of the galactic newsfeeds, then he could’ve united be galaxy better.

[@cherrypoptart2001]

Maul actually came across one and fought and killed it in a cantina

[@cherrypoptart2001]

So their existence was solid and acknowledged within the star wars galaxy society just no one knew of the military vong fleet in the edge of the galaxy

[@funkmantim2661]

@@cherrypoptart2001 Well, no, the one that Maul killed was in a arena, and no one even knew what it was at all and did not really cared as it was the most entertaining fighter they had.

[@dantewiggins5119]

@@cherrypoptart2001 They actually exist thousands of years before they invaded

[@MrDibara]

I dunno. Jon Snow tried that by hauling a wholeass Wight into King's Landing to gain support. *Jaime was the only ONE person who jumped boat, the entire rest of Cersei's faction still said "fuck'em".*

[@theserpent4495]

“325 trillion people or in metric 500 trillion” this got me.

[@ispit97]

What did he mean by that? 365 trillion people and in metric 500 trillion persons? What?

[@thekhans2823]

@ @Paul Bedford , what’s imperial and metric measurements ?

[@jadenrocks22]

@@thekhans2823 do you live on earth?

[@jshaw3793]

A lot of meat suits

[@thekhans2823]

@ @@jadenrocks22 , yes but tell me what they are

[@robertelkins7899]

Honestly, if the Vong had invaded during the reign of Sidious, I’d almost bet the surviving Light Jedi would fight against them regardless of how the Empire and the Sith would react to them.

[@halflife103]

I feel it would end up like the old Republic jedi and revan with the mandalorians.

[@johngancarcik5682]

When the vong would be the Mutual enemy of Jedi and empire would be like in the old republic when the republic and the sith empire worked together to fight revan and his forces

[@JacatackLP]

Steven Stringer fun fact, Canderous Ordo actually fought a Yuuzhan Vong scout ship during the Mandalorian wars!

[@mordechaimandel8118]

That's right!

[@thomaswright981]

@@johngancarcik5682 I don’t remember that? You mean when half the sith betrayed revan by helping the republic? They still fought before and after.

[@thesharpercoder]

In Legends, the Death Stars were eventually believed to have been created to destroy Yuuzhan Vong world ships.

[@akumaking1]

Only speculation in the part of pro-Imperials like Lenang O'Pali.

[@DaltonUber]

@Cian Abroad Yeah, people like to read too deep into everything.

[@warzIbanez]

@Cian Abroad The biggest problem with the argument for the empire is that the remnant did assist the New Republic and made JUST ENOUGH of a difference for the republic to win the war. What REALLY won the war was Zonoma Sekot.

[@Crick1952]

I always wanted this as the focus of the sequel trilogy. It adds some depth to Darth Sideous and the Sith (ends justify the means), it forces the New Republic and Imperial Remnant to work together, symbolically unites the prequel and original trilogy and makes Sith and Jedi cooperate to fight the enemies of the Force itself.

[@randomcenturion7264]

Hell Yeah. I mean, granted, no matter what way you spin it, Sidious is a monster in the worst way and doesn't even get the excuse character like say, The Emperor of Mankind gets, where what they do is for a greater good. He just would rather not have his stuff overrun by eco-terrorist, technophobe sadomasochist zealots. But yeah, it raises one of the best questions for Star Wars in the matter of the Empire and the Site in that, "Does might make right?" Sure, they aren't exactly cuddly, but at the end of the day, they do a damn good job at defending their worlds. Hell, even in swtor, it was the Sith Empire that ended up helping the Alliance against the Eternal Empire.

[@daneanthony4814]

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[@ZoeMalDoran]

"General, what would Thrawn have made of the Vong?" "Ground Vong probably, if he'd gotten hold of some examples of their art"

[@MrAranton]

Too bad Thrawn trusted his Noghri bodyguard Rukh when he shouldn't have... Which might count as a mistake.

[@levitschetter5288]

Their art? So, grossly mutilated bodies?

[@ZoeMalDoran]

@@levitschetter5288 Their ritual mutilations are just one example. Another would be the way they prepare and preserve the remains of their dead.

[@GFSTaylor]

@@ZoeMalDoran My applause for the appropriate use of Wedge's quote.

[@omegasupreme2200]

Take his DNA and make clones of him whit the same personalities and thats how you win over the Vongs

[@Gotten37]

This Yuuzhan Vong War sounds like a good Tuesday for the Imperium of Man.

[@randomcenturion7264]

"Sure we only lost a couple Trillion lives, but, hey, at least they weren't Tyranids." - Some guy in the Adeptus Administurum.

[@aegis0302]

Except this is a galactic wide war where 40k was a sector or planet every decade or so battle. Every black crusade was only 1 sector. The tyranids attacking the smurfs was only one sector. 40k hasn't had a true galactic war since the horus heresy and the imperium almost got its arse kicked.

[@physical_insanity]

I remember someone on an old forum doing calculations one time and worked out that all the casualties in the Yuzhan Vong war would equate to about ten years worth of combat deaths in 40k (roughly), and that was being generous in favour of 40k's stupidly grim derp setting. Going by that logic, it's probably the other way around. A good Imperial Guard engagement against chaos would probably be a good Tuesday for the Yuzhan Vong war. And I'm not exagerating, either. 325 Trillion is an insane number and would take you something like the equivalent of 1000 years to count to. I mean, a million minutes ago = around 2 years ago, whereas 1 billion minutes ago, Jesus Fucking Christ was still alive. Average planetary death counts in an invasion in 40k are usually in the mid billions and it takes a lot of billions to get to even 1 trillion. So, as I said, before, 40k had it easy.

[@aegis0302]

@@physical_insanity GW writers themselves say the books contradict themselves so much they are not canon. They say it is similar to military propaganda. An imperial battleship in one book is 5km while in another book that same battleship is 25km. I can see what the GW writers mean by military propaganda using this example. Every Abaddon crusade literally affected one sector. One sector is not a galactic crisis. Where the SW universe handles galactic wide strategy. In Attack of the Clones, 10k planets jumped sides in the span of one CIS meeting. You, my friend, have fallen for fake news.

[@physical_insanity]

@@aegis0302 Well shit, I guess a Stormtrooper can literally deck a space marine with one blast if the books aren't canon then.

[@hoopsonwheels]

Thrawn would have been an invaluable asset against the Vong he had such a focus on bolstering the imperial navy and was a master tactician

[@DarthWall275]

Right, yeah, guess it takes a Mary Sue to beat a Mary Sue race.

[@hoopsonwheels]

DarthWall275 i didn’t say he’d beat them, I stated that thrawn would have been an asset. The empire had a lot of resources that thrawn and the chiss ascendancy didn’t have access to. Thrawn would have been able to use the empires navy and fight against the vong effectively enough so that the empire stood a way better chance of mitigating the losses that the new republic ended up suffering.

[@funkmantim2661]

@@hoopsonwheels There is also the fact that neither Thrawn or the Vong are Mary Sue related since it is not like the just "popped" into existence and have zero background unlike some other characters and groups who had pretty much gone unnoticed until they had a real relevance but no backstory.

[@funkmantim2661]

@Cian Abroad Oh yes, he fucking planned his death in legends and planned for fucking warp capable space whales to pull him to who knows where along with his star destroyer and Ezra in what is now canon, He also planned for his subordinates to screw up his plans. Even IF he was a Mary Sue, he would just barely make the cut due to the fact that his plans can and have gone wrong to HIS dismay, also there is nothing wrong for having backup plans or making plans to help correct the failure of another plan. How would you like it if you were called a Mary Sue for messing up your job but having a plan to fix it? because that is essentially what you are saying about Thrawn because even if he enjoys it, it is his job. Also, just going to point this out, but most militaries in reality have failsafes or contingency plans for when their major operations, and even if not they will learn from the failure most the time in even minor operations, such as what routes are being monitored, what armaments the enemy has, ect. Like, I don't really know what your version of a Mary Sue is, but mine is one that can come out on top of anything without having proper plans, will not even die in the end, and never experiences true loss or defeat.

[@Loneguy22]

As I remember it the Chiss had developed a bioweapon to end the vong. Naturally the idea didn't go over well with many in the New Republic, the Jedi in particular were opposed to it. I think it's safe to say that Palpatine would have used such a thing without a second thought. (I do of course recognize the problems with fighting genocide with the same, though I will leave that argument to others.)

[@theshadesofreal9372]

We also have to remember what Revan did as well. He was known to meet the enemies blow for blow. Especially with the Vong being the threat they were, the bioweapon would have actually saved lives

[@theshadesofreal9372]

@midgetydeath 100% agree. With all the technology precautions could be placed to avoid most of the native galactic inhabitants from coming into contact and keeping usage under control

[@warzIbanez]

Shows the character of the people here. The last book in the series shows that the vong end up containing the Alpha Red to a single ship after it devastates a planet under their control, then decide to use it against Zonoma Sekot. It's a good thing that Sekot was able to intercept the ship before the vong could have destroyed yet another planet like they did to Ithor and others but with the aid of Republic Intelligence. But to go back to my original point, it took some time to develop the Alpha Red virus that originated from Ithor and was too late to use as a deterrent in the war. Its use without the vong committing numerous atrocities themselves would have made for a situation far worse than what the head of the Republic Intelligence had to face in a quiet resignation.

[@TheBacknblack92]

@midgetydeath the only reason bioweapons and chemical weapons usually arent used in earth wars is because neither side wants to deal with the weapons being used against them. It's also the reason war crimes exist. Once you cross the war crimes threshold then everything is on the table for both sides. The vong were using bioweapons. They were committing genocide of hundreds of trillions. They were committing war crimes In war if your enemy is using a tactic that works and you do not adapt and use it too then you are at a disadvantage and will therefore lose. This is basic shit knowns since the days of sun tzu. There are a lot of dead idiots buried on the moral high ground "Dont stoop to their level" is a bullshit thing we teach children. Sometimes you have to stoop or your head will get chopped off. Do what it takes to win then rewrite history afterwards The use of such weapons wouldnt be immoral. Whats immoral is having a way to stop them and not doing it while trillions die. Sounds like the new jedi order needed to be order 66'ed too Chiss should've deployed the bioweapon anyway to protect themselves and let the jedi die fighting conventionally. Then when enough of the space wizards are gone offer the bioweapon to the republic but this time negotiate certain bonuses for the chiss so when THEY win the war and save the galaxy they get to become dominant. The NR had their chance. They lost it when they didnt use the bioweapon. The chiss shouldve then taken control building their own empire. Heavily reinforced the fact they won the war. Wiped out the jedi and reduced human influence in the galaxy. After a corrupt republic, clone wars, tyrannical empire, and then the vong catastrophe it is clear that humans and governments influenced by this force religion need to be overthrown You could easily turn some propaganda around rather than the force cutting the vong off the force refused to aid the jedi in fighting the vong. It abandoned them and they have no mandate of the force to justify any lesdership roles anymore

[@TheBacknblack92]

@@warzIbanez then improve upon it and keep trying. The vongs entire culture were atrocities. Use every weapon at your disposal if your face an existential threat. Yknow how russia beat napoleon and Hitler? They destroyed their own country before their enemy could

[@daswordofgork9823]

Empire vs Vong would be like Failbadon’s Black Crusade vs Cadian Shock Troops. It would be brutal, but awesome to watch.

[@lisatrappedmeinygsbasement848]

I always like to hear about evil vs evil kind of fights

[@HolyknightVader999]

Failbadon. Really, that's how bad even the 40K fans see him. But I think it'll be more like the Horus Heresy, where they will get all the way to Coruscant, only to fail.

[@hamsprovided9936]

@@HolyknightVader999 I didn't know that Horus was attacking Coruscant :D

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@hamsprovided9936 I was referring to the Vong, but either way, they'll get to Coruscant but fail, just as the CIS and the True Sith Empire before them.

[@hamsprovided9936]

@@HolyknightVader999 OK

[@angelusumbra5741]

There's also this: The Sith usually don't give a shit about the life and well-being of their foes, unlike the Jedi. So the Empire would've had NO PROBLEM wiping out the Vong, or enslaving them, just as the Vong did to those they fought.

[@DavisJ-ln6fw]

That's not really an argument

[@adams13245]

Thing is, the sith don't give a shit about the life and well being of their allies. Kind of known for shooting themselves in the foot with that.

[@m_m_m_l_k6698]

It is, the main reason why the vong war was so brutal was the fact that new republic for a long time didnt want to destroy vong world ship or their planets, the empire would't have a problem with that ​@@DavisJ-ln6fw

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

This would have added Palpatine and the Sith in better light, Disney can't have that. The Vong would have made a far better threat in Episode 8 and 9 than what we got.

[@akumaking1]

Do note in Legends there were theories and attempted rationalizations about Palpatine and his massive militarization. The general consensus is that Palpatine saw the Vong as a threat to his rule and we're just another "justification" for his Empire.

[@luisemoralesfalcon4716]

@@akumaking1 True, but to be honest an unified galaxy would have made a better adversary that said, the technology of the Vong was still better and he could have been wiser.

[@saxpackabs]

I feel that, with the political climate the way it is right now, you probably couldn't have had a Star Wars film featuring a complete galactic invasion by an alien species.

[@theevildrummingsithlord1492]

@@saxpackabs That's a really good point. It will just contribute to this real environment of fear, and that's everywhere.

[@saxpackabs]

@@theevildrummingsithlord1492 and considering the Star Wars films are for the most part aimed at kids. Imagine Trump's speeches if a popular children's film franchise were teaching them about galactic invasion.

[@kozaamovies1779]

I almost sure that Yuuzhan Vong evolved from dophins

[@locoarticwolf2181]

KOZAA MOVIES this explains everything...

[@ChadHoffmanwickalan]

Death to the water dwellers!

[@optillian4182]

That might explain their use of coral.

[@gamerpro9809]

Well just remember they evolved from sea mammals thats some note

[@kingaragornii9940]

They killed the humans on the earth and found more humans in the the star wars galaxy.

[@GamingWithMoses]

Honestly, there should be a Star Wars movie about the Yuuzhan Vong War. Who agree? There was a large battle that took place at the end. Bigger than the Battle of Coruscant (i believe)

[@akumaking1]

Too bad Disney scrapped the entire EU

[@fatballeringg9036]

Coruscant?

[@locoarticwolf2181]

GamingWithMoses It would have to be rated R like if they did a Maul or Vader movie

[@EmilioZapatiamo]

At least they're gradually putting Eu things into cannon d

[@Namenlos-fo1ek]

The battle that you mean is the battle of Corrusant. Or at that moment it is called Yuuzhan‘Tar. And yeah, it is very likely to be the biggest battle in the galactic History. Everyone united and fought against the Yuuzhan Vongh.

[@frozarburst6350]

If we ignore the Sequel Trilogy, we can totally make this work

[@andrewolson5471]

At this point, I think we safely *can* ignore the Sequel Trilogy as a bad fan fic.

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@andrewolson5471 True.

[@citylightsish]

Actually the sequel trilogy is still completely valid for still setting up the Vong, think about it, Palpatine wasn’t killed until the battle of Exegol and he had thousands of Star Destroyer super weapons. The Vong would’ve still seen the militarization of the First and Final order as high threats, for rapid annexation of the Galaxy. Now that there exists zero militarized governments in the galaxy (post sequel trilogy) a Vong invasion is perfect.

[@andrewolson5471]

@@citylightsish maybe, that's partly true, but it also completely forgot how The Force works.

[@Ty_disciple_of_LordJesusChrist]

Right villain isn't a sith it's a whole species cut off from the Force entirely

[@nickvinsable3798]

On the surface, I’d be in complete agreement with Palpatine. However, even if I told him that I disagreed with the finer details to his power hunger, I’d assure my Loyalty to him by pointing out the window & say “My Loyalty is to the people of the galaxy; for the greater good. And the best way to show my Loyalty is through you, my Emperor…”… Then Palpatine might throw a yarn ball & I go chase it because I’m a Cathar…

[@SPatrickRoss]

You forgot, that the Interdictor Cruisers, with their Gravity Well Projectors were very effective against the Yuuzhan Vong capital ships.

[@aleccampbell7707]

Could they make a moon fall on Chewie though?

[@martinosborne4703]

I have a question. Could the Gravity well projectors be planet based, or placed in a death star? If so, would it have been possible to use such a thing in Helska space at the start of the invasion? If both are yes, I think it would have been an idea to fortify the hell out of the system, so that the only way the Vong would get through would be a long drawn out battle, turning Helska into Stalingrad.

[@newill2856]

Before watching it, I read astory about they built multiple death stars against them and the Vong was actually feared the imperial fleet so much. "You might win a single battle, but the empire will always strike back" Gilad Pellaeon. (Sorry if I mispelled it i read it in hungarian)

[@piercepayumo4212]

Yuuzhan Vong: Mission Objective: Let the Galaxy burn!

[@lordfrostwind3151]

Warmaster Horus: “Hey that's my line!" Abaddon: “Yeah mine too!" Horus: “Shut up and go back to the circle of disappointment Junior!"

[@lordfrostwind3151]

Warmaster Horus: “Hey that's my line!" Abaddon: “Yeah mine too!" Horus: “Shut up and go back to the circle of disappointment Junior!"

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@lordfrostwind3151 XD I can fully believe, after 13 failures, Abbadon sulks in "The Circle of Disappointment."

[@aleccampbell7707]

Operation Cinder 2 lol

[@aadhavankarthik6491]

Empire and their everything arrive - new objective survive

[@michaelcrawford3663]

The invasion could also help explain why the emperor ended up making 3 Death Stars and those eclipse star destroyers as those could all be used to shoot moons and planets the Vong tired to fire at important worlds

[@mister_padilla6105]

The empire could also let the enemy take a planet, letting them thing the won a battle on it or something then the Death Star could drop out of hyper space and just destroy the planet.

[@aleccampbell7707]

Except Vong also could take ships out of hyperdrive suddenly like an Interdictor Cruiser and the Death Star couldn't just appear right next to Yavin 4 out of hyperspace or the Rebellion stood no chance. Due to the Death Stars mass and size its nav computer mightn't allow for the fastest route via hyperdrive. DS Hyperdrive rating 4 ISD 2 - it's four time slower via hyperdrive and its sublight 20 ISD 60 X-Wing 100: 3X slower v the mainstay ISD - Vong would see it long before it was in firing range or in the system.

[@ItsAVolcano]

Went back and read the Vong series and the peace brigade comes off as far more stupid. For one the Yuuzhan Vong don't even have a word for ally in their language; the closest translation being "willing subjects," meaning the peace brigade was literally fighting for their enslavement.

[@fristnamelastname5549]

I love Legends, because there was a point to Emperor Palpatine's Empire. The Empire had a reason to exist, and it shines a new light on the Rebellion. Legends will always be the true canon to me. Disney can shove it!

[@imnotbrian6316]

The Empire had a reason to exist anyway. The acquisition of power is central to Sith philosophy. The Empire is the madness of a man who reaches the limits of mortal power *and wants more*. A morality play, if you will, about the dangers of obsession and unchecked rulers. The Empire doing what it did so it could save everyone from the Vong only exists as an explanation because someone forgot the Empire were explicitly coded as space-nazis and wanted to romanticise them. Don't get me wrong, the war is a great plot arch, but it's vindication of Creamy Sheev gave a hell of a lot of encouragement to the nutters in the fandom who thought the Empire were cool because they thought real fascists were cool. (That's not to say we can't think the Empire are cool, or that you must be a Nazi if you like them. They've got a great aesthetic and there's a lot of fun in how delightfully evil they are. We just have to remember that they are in fact evil.) Though I have to agree, Disney can absolutely shove it.

[@Charlie94781]

@@imnotbrian6316 do you truly know that the Rebels are really the “good guys” and not just a band of ruthless terrorists determined to wreck the galaxy? Rey’s parents were murdered by a rebel hit squad

[@MOMOFCJ6]

@@Charlie94781 and what about the people on the death star THATS A LOT OF DAMAGE

[@adams13245]

@@imnotbrian6316 God is it annoying that the militarists can't deal with the idea that *gasp* the guys who promote and enable people like "blew up an inhabited planet" Tarkin, might, in fact be evil. Also they apparently have the moral views of a five year old, cause they can't get that, just because one side fights another side that is evil, the first side is not necessarily good. Maybe the Empire was militarizing to see of the YV, but Palpatine completely dropped the ball, since you need to tell people about a threat for them to unite against it. That and the idea of an extra galactic force, not from one of the dwarf galaxies would've been seen as far fetched since shit like that didn't happen. Nobody but Palps and his enabler, Thrawn, had any idea about the Vong, and so thought the emperor was mad with power. Then again, that's a Tuesday for Sith lords.

[@theduxabides9274]

While I agree that the Empire's more centralized, organized system of government would have been able to respond to the Vong more quickly, I think Palpatine's scheming and duplicity need to be taken into account. I can't see Palpatine just swatting aside the Vong like flies, given the opportunity their invasion would have presented to rid the galaxy of pesky non-humans (either by their deaths at the hands of the Vong or by labelling them as Peace Brigade-style collaborators) and to bind the galaxy that much closer to him through fear. Considering the steps he took to sow disorder in the empire to weaken potential rivals, during Operation Shadow Hand in Legends and after the Battle of Endor in Canon (EA's Battlefront II story mode), I could easily see Palpatine strategically situating Moffs and Admirals he despised or distrusted in the invasion path, either to see them killed or to disgrace them for their incompetence. A larger Vong foothold in the Galaxy would mean a much greater chance at annihilating them completely, whereas crushing the initial invasion of the Praetorite Vong could result in their avoiding a full scale invasion, leaving their threat intact for the future.

[@ilnigromante666]

Another point to consider is that should the Empire see himself at the losing side what would prevent Palpatine from unleashing potentialy uncontrolable dark side powers that would lead to an even bigger catastrophe?

[@theduxabides9274]

@@ilnigromante666 The Ssi-ruu attacked the Imperial world of Bakura immediately after the Battle of Endor, because Palpatine invited them to do so in return for access to their 'entechment' technology. Considering the role that fear played in Palpatine's control of the galaxy, be it fear of the Separatists, the Jedi, the Rebellion, of non-humans or all of the above, I think Palpatine would have allowed the Vong some initial successes so as to solidify his rule over the galaxy for years to come. Considering that Palpatine took action against those Imperials whose loyalty he questioned during Operation: Shadow Hand, and the generally limited knowledge of the force that the population of the Galaxy possessed, I could see him using the Vong invasion to showcase the full might of his darkside powers and Imperial military. He would probably shatter any hopes of a restoration of freedom or democracy in the process, as these would be permanently associated with the disasters of the Clone Wars and the Rebellion, while the threat of further horrors waiting in the unknown regions would make even contemplating a return to such values seem like pure insanity. Had Palpatine gotten his hands on Vong bio-technologies, and discovered how to manipulate life itself (on top of his master's manipulation of the midichlorians), the galaxy would become as warped by his darkside power as Byss...

[@warzIbanez]

After reading Dark Tide II Ruin, I have doubts that the Imperial Navy would have fared much better if it hadn't been reduced to what it had been. Thrawn and others like Zsinj probably would have dealt with the vong a little differently, but the problem still remained that the vong had outnumbered the Republic and Imperial Remnant forces tremendously and continued to build on to their analog count the further they pushed into the galaxy and claimed more star systems.

[@adams13245]

@@theduxabides9274 It's almost like Palpatine was a bad guy. What's next, Thrawn is only competent? No seriously, after reading OutBound Flight, Thrawn comes off as basically competent and nowhere near a genius. Part of that is that the Trade Federation ship was incredibly incompetent at programming their droids, such that, if they reached their max signal range, instead of patrolling there, or at least holding they would automatically turn around and fly back to the ship. With no override. So if an enemy hits you from outside the sensor bubble, your droids are going to be either stuck there, or, if ordered out, will turn around and fly back while being shot to pieces. That's a complete failure in programming and tactics, at least give them a rotating turret!

[@jonathanryan9946]

This is the Star Wars fans needed and deserved. Unlike the Disney Sequels...

[@GenerationTech]

Yea In hindsight this would’ve definitely been better

[@sheevone4359]

I doubt Disney would make something like this because it'd either be watered down to be pg-13 or have to be R rated. I doubt Disney would make an R rated film.

[@sheevone4359]

@@Spyro757 theoretically it's not dumb. It's business strategy. If you have a pg-13 rated film you have a bigger audience than an R rated film.

[@ohkaygoplay]

Disney wouldn't want to pay the creators of those EU stories and their ideas. They're a billion dollar company, but greed when it comes to an IP is a powerful thing for them. They would have to share the glory, and in their view, their stories would take a back seat to the established EU. And Disney hates taking a back seat to anything. Although, - and this is my opinion - if they had agreed to share the lime light, it's possible their newly created characters interacting with the EU characters may have garnered more love from the fan base, because they'd be mixing the familiar with a spice of 'new' in just the right amount to make the viewer hopefully love the full picture.

[@zachschmitt3654]

Jonathan Ryan strongly disagree!!!!

[@Wi-Fi-El]

What if the yuzhan vong invaded in 0BBY? Maybe the vong come in after the destruction of aalderan, but before the battle of yavin, forcing the death star to divert course

[@hamooze3538]

I choose, this is my canon and my story.

[@daswordofgork9823]

DISNEY IS NOT FUCKING CANON!!!!- Little Kitten; Captain General of the Adeptus Custodies.

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@daswordofgork9823 Kitten speaks is The Emperor's Word. If he says Disney ain't canon, it ain't canon. All other claims are Heresy.

[@akumaking1]

@@daswordofgork9823 Did somebody say "*BRAWN*"?

[@randomcenturion7264]

@@akumaking1 AYAYAYAYYYY

[@Code_Exodus]

@@randomcenturion7264 Someone speak the heretical name of Disney?...

[@TheItalianoAssassino]

Imagine a new trilogy centered around the Yuuzhan Vong war

[@guywelsh9589]

Palpatine would have given the Vong an absolute ramming. They'd have been obliterated by probably thousands of Star Destroyers in space and maybe tens of millions of Stormtroopers on the ground.

[@noneed4me2n7]

I always liked this storyline simply because it added more depth to Palps level of foresight. I always wondered if he would’ve been able to deal with the Vong better than the GA.

[@nochella7181]

Imagine a trilogy based on this with a game of thrones vibe between the Resistance and the First Order battling it out over what’s left of the republic and then have the Yuuzhan Vong as basically the White walkers

[@DarqeDestroyer]

Well, there's always Han Solo's opinion, given to Imperial Remnant commander Vana Dorja, when she suggested that the Empire would have done a much better job of fighting off the Vong: _"That's not what the Empire would have done, Commander. What the Empire would have done was build a super-colossal Yuuzhan Vong-killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that's what the Empire would have done."_

[@weik-2936]

amidst all of its other inefficiencies, the Empire's military is centered around intimidation and beat worlds into submission, basically outnumbering and/or overpowering weaker foes, I'm not so certain it would do well against a "roughly" equal force

[@HolyknightVader999]

Except that wouldn't be the case. The weakness the Death Star had was only accessible for someone with the Force, and as we all know, the Vong are all cut off from the Force.

[@warzIbanez]

@@HolyknightVader999 yet the second death star didn't require use of the force at all to destroy it. The death of Thrawn only required political maneuvering by Leia and subterfuge by his own Nogri bodyguard. Furthermore, the various admirals and warlords and even technicians to Palpatine and his cloning facilities had sabotaged his plans for their own gains. Lastly, the Vong had amassed hundreds if not thousands of comparable cruiser analogs for their conquest- the Imperial fleet at their height wouldn't have had nearly that number. The Battle of Fondor probably is your best argument considering Centerpoint Station was able to vaporize half the Vong fleet (and the quarters of the Hapan fleet) in a single shot, and yet the station was incapacitated shortly afterwards probably by agents of Nom Anor, and probably would have done the same thing to many other Imperial devices.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@warzIbanez Not necessarily. The Second Death Star had the Emperor and his battle meditation guarding it. Had Vader not killed him, or had he not been distracted by Luke, he'd be able to guard against Nom Anor's agents. That, and the Imperial Navy was millions of warships at its height, whereas the Vong Fleet couldn't even defeat the weakened Alliance and Empire, so no, they were nowhere near the power level the Empire had before Endor. That, and the Yuuzhan Vong have no defense against A) the Emperor's Battle Meditation and B) the Death Star. Heck, just have Vader guard the Death Star and he'd sense disturbances in the Force if the Vong were up to something.

[@julian5699]

HolyknightVader999 Unless Vader developed ‘Vongsense’, he wouldn’t be able to detect anything, as no aspects of the force are effective on the vongs: not a push, not lightning, and they cannot be detected through the force either. Palpatine’s battle meditation would not work either. He could boost his own men, but forget about him impacting the vong with the force.

[@Nemo12417]

I really don't like the theory that Palpatine knew the Vong were coming and was only trying to prepare for them, since there would be no logical reason not to tell anyone about it. It would unite everyone around a common enemy and discredit the Rebels as useful idiots for the extragalactic threat. Keeping quiet makes Admiral Holdo sound reasonable. That said, a heavily militarized Empire was probably better at fighting off an extragalactic threat than a loosely organized Republic.

[@fightingfalcon777]

Jared Hite Agreed. Not to mention I feel like it makes Palpatine far more heroic/altruistic than he actually was. He was solely about himself. I mean, sure, you can argue that it was to his own benefit to make sure the Galaxy was safe from the Yuuzhan Vong, but still, I feel like trying to frame the militarization of the Empire as SOLELY being to defend against the Vong rather than keeping the galaxy as a police state to allow Sidious to focus on mastering the dark side and basically becoming God makes him far more noble than he is supposed to be (which... let’s be honest, he is not supposed to be noble at all)

[@goodmind4940]

It would make everyone panic

[@weik-2936]

@@fightingfalcon777 THANK-YOU! Everyone seems to just ignore that, Palpatine only cares for things in the sense that they benefit him

[@Owen_157]

It’s not a theory is legends

[@weik-2936]

Its still not the reason Palpatine built up and militarized the Galaxy

[@anonymousrex5207]

I think Han Solo was asked about this and said in one of the books something like "the empire would have made some anit-vong device, but it wouldn't have worked because everything the empire made always blows up in their face".

[@Charlie94781]

Han Solo is unreliable as a source of information

[@steelrexer1062]

If you ask me, Palpatine should have provoked the Yuuzhan Vong the moment the first Death Star was ready to go, then revealed it to the galaxy after the Vong invaded, since no one would much care about the moon-sized battle station being built for decades in secret when that same battle station is extremely effective at one-shotting Vong worldships. The rebels would basically lose all support for being against the militarization of the Empire, especially if they tried acting against the Empire during the war.

[@fishbot9902]

yeah but the thing is that palpatine is the type of guy that plays 4D chess while convincing everyone that he is playing regular chess including a large group of people who can basically read minds

[@adams13245]

Then why'd he forget basic political lessons, like "If you're going to build a huge fleet and army, make sure to have a scary scapegoat to get people on your side." Also he lost to a relatively small and under equipped rebellion, in part due to planning for the next war. Not the greatest sign of political genius. Third Nom Anor would've had a field day with sewing dissent and rebellion on Imperial worlds.

[@donthaveaname15]

Seems like the current canon could introduce the vong as well, first order super weapons, unifying the galaxy under a dictatorship, Palpatine's hidden fleet, and the destruction of all that by the resistance which puts them in a worse situation than the new Republic?

[@Warhammered]

The current canon is too much of a pile of rubbish to save. An ineffectual New Republic, and carboard characters we care nothing about.

[@donthaveaname15]

@@Warhammered exactly, which is why they can basically trash everything the current trilogy has done, saying the actions of the current cast of characters put the entire galaxy in peril of annihilation. Thus the fans have a way to vent their anger out at the mary sue who would single handedly lead to the invasion.

[@randomguythatexists2244]

The resistance are the only working government and so does some Imperials post Ensor after Episode 9, but I think the galaxy is screwed if the Yuuhan Vong appear. Unless Disney turns Rey into an Uber “all the Jedi” character.

[@dahalofreeek]

It's hilarious that they threw out all the good parts of the Legends canon and kept the dumbest shit for the Skywalker trilogy. What a mess.

[@boqndimitrov8693]

if we assume that Palpatine was not familiar in detail with the enemy's technology, then probably in the beginning the same scenario would be repeated as with the new republic: massive losses of ships and so on, because of the technological superiority of the Vongs. then the empire would discover their weaknesses, as well as the republic, and here the large and unified army would already be a factor of importance.There would probably be a balance of power, a dangerous stalemate in which more capable commanders would be key.

[@MandoSki464]

Well if anything darth maul would of put a little fear into the vong. He’d already proven himself against one of their warriors and f***** it up

[@chengzhou8711]

This is the content I like to see

[@killfrenzy303]

Vong invade sw galaxy: this is fun lets ripnand tear Vong invade 40k: I regret everything.....*sounds of full auto bolter fire and chainaxes*

[@randomcenturion7264]

True. Bar certain comic and anime related worlds, 40K is, in the words of a certain head-smashing Inquisitor, "Murder Heaven!"

[@TarsonTalon]

Pfft, they don't even need to bring out the Space Marines. The Imperial Guard is already super fanatical on its own. They might consider fighting the Vong a 'break' from the more horrible things they are used to fighting...

[@HolyknightVader999]

Not really. Vong weapons can melt through armor while their armor laughs off lightsabers. Bolter fire and chain-axes would at most, tickle them. The Necrons are the faction which will give them pause, because they get PTSD over machines. But the Imperium? The Vong would rip them to shreds, especially since the people who wield bolters and chainaxes couldn't be more than 2 million.

[@hamsprovided9936]

@@HolyknightVader999 I have one question, what weapons are useful against wong if lightsabers are not?

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@hamsprovided9936 Disintegration weapons, anti-vehicle weapons, I do know Lando Calrissian manufactured an army of self-healing Yuuzhan Vong-hunter droids that look like Terminators armed with starfighter-level weapons such as blaster cannons to take out Vong warriors and vehicles.

[@UncleMikeDrop]

He should have maintained a free market economy to support the military/industrial complex especially regarding Kyber crystal tech. The Death Star was powerful, but it could only be in one place at a time and it's planet killing superlaser was overkill even for a Yuzhan Vong Worldship. Fleet killing Dreadnoughts with anti capital ship superlasers would've been preferable. After all,the Death Star's superlaser was able to one-shot a Lucrehulk at 1% power output so 5% to 10% MAX. would've been sufficient to take out a Worldship. Sending outbound drones to capture images of the Yuzhan Vong which would then be broadcast across the Imperial Holonet would have galvanized the Imperial citizenry.

[@JoeIPA]

I’m jelly of how well you pull that robe off. Keep up the good work

[@chasespringer7471]

Remember, humanity first

[@generalfred9426]

Humanity is the only superior species

[@adamhenrywalker]

Imagine if the Empire still had their Death Star. “That’s a nice planet you lizards took. Would be a shame if someone blew it up.”

[@kestrel2045]

Perhaps if good old Palpy didn't make the Empire so anti-alien, he would have a much larger recruitment population to work with, and bolster the Imperial military as a whole, granted it'd be a little expensive to create updated trooper armor and customized TIEs for these new alien troopers/pilots, but it just wasn't a very smart idea to be so anti-alien when considering the military. And I do agree with John Patz down below me.

[@kayleighlehrman9566]

Engineering an entire war in order to be able to turn your galaxy into a hyper militant empire in order to defend against an invasion force from another galaxy? That's some real big brain thinking right there.

[@Kamina.D.Fierce]

A better question: What would have happened if the Yuuzhan Vong invaded amidst the Clone Wars era. Would the Republic and/or Separatists have been able to handle it? Would the Jedi Order survive it? How would Palpatine have reacted to it?

[@Pokemc0831]

This channel has me believing even more in the Empire every day

[@INACTIVE4EVER]

empire:we are the best army in the glaxy yuuzhan vong army:hold my beer

[@akumaking1]

Warhammer 40K: Allow me to introduce myself.

[@blacktemplar2941]

@KneeHighNinja05 Ave Imperator!

[@olafgurke4699]

Mandalorians: ...Amateurs.

[@rangerholladen5824]

Rimmy: And we're the Science Team!

[@deewatsoon6036]

Abeloth: ((giggles))

[@lamarravery4094]

I wonder if we'll see the Yuuzhang Vong in future episodes of the Mandalorian? That could be interesting.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

When rewriting Episode 8, I also had the idea of retconning the Empire's motivations as preparation against the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, while keeping it secret to avoid widespread panic. (making Episode 9 about the war itself). They were the reason why Luke went in exile to find a solution against the invasion. My Episode 8 ends with a duel Luke vs Snoke (Darth Plagueis, who faked his death and let Palpatine do his work) with Luke and Snoke disagreeing on how to fight the Yuuzhan Vong (basically bottom-up vs top-down systems). Luke wins after turning Kylo against Plagueis, then sits on the imperial throne and warns the galaxy of the upcoming invasion. Meanwhile the First Order's fleet made a dash to Coruscant and had the Senate restore the Empire.

[@Sorain1]

So it would end after beating the Vong with an Empire ruled by the Senate (de-facto new republic) then? Could work.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

@@Sorain1 I haven't thought about Episode IX in depth but that's the idea. Maybe having Luke say to Rey and Kylo that after the threat is eliminated, he wants to restore the Republic for good. Which they do after Luke's heroic death in the decisive battle. Or maybe just keeping an emperor with very limited powers, like the British monarchy, to avoid a blatant power vacuum.

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@Duke_of_Lorraine (If Princess Leia is still alive, I could buy an emperor/emperess with limited powers. If not, I don't see how that's viable.)

[@thingschazzalikes5325]

I really hope that the yuuzhan vong invasion gets made into a tv show similar to the clone wars. As well as a movie saga on the old Republic era. But hey this is disney we are dealing with!

[@sheevone4359]

I don't think Disney is gonna produce an R rated film. And if they'd make a pg-13 rated film about that it would have to watered down and people would loose interest.

[@therookie7060]

I'm curious if the Vong were to invade the Star Trek galaxy, how would factions like the Federation, Kligons, Romulans, Cardassians and the rest fair against them?

[@randomcenturion7264]

Federation and Klingons, I'd bet my money on putting up a decent fight. The Romulans, not so sure, I think they might be something of a Paper Tiger. As for the Cardassians, they'd get butchered. And I love the Cardies, but even the most patriotic of them new they were small fish compared to the other powers of the Alpha Quadrant, which is why the shacked up with The Dominion. The Vong just have too many numbers and, quite frankly, a brutality that makes what they did on Bajor seem pleasant, to be able to fend them off.

[@jamesleduke873]

They'd be wiped out. Star Trek ships' relatively slow FTL speeds alone mean that the Vong would have a huge advantage, allowing them to strike Trek worlds with impunity. I'm not a fan of Star Trek, so my knowledge is fairly limited, but I'm pretty sure that the territory of the major factions of that universe are all in a single quadrant of the galaxy, and the Federation has a few hundred to a few thousand worlds. The Vong brought the New Republic to its knees, and they had control of most of the Galaxy.

[@lajoyalobos2009]

I think we all know how canon New Republic would do against the Vong, similar to dropping a snowball into a furnace. I wonder how the First Order would do. I haven't seen much as far as their numbers go, their fleet could range anywhere from pitifully small to massive.

[@kevinhansen8211]

I think the Vong would not have advanced as quick, but I think they still would have found ways in. Moffs and other Imperial officials were vulnerable to bribing or manipulative power games, Vong promises of power, or the chance to overthrow the Sith would have been appealing to many of them. Nom Anor and his fellow agents would have been more valuable to the Vong advance in such a scenario. Groups like the peace brigade would have sprang up again, only this time, they would be more into sabotage than actual fighting. Sidious would also have been just as savage as the invaders. The Death Star and other superweapons would have been used to prevent the Vong from gaining any foothold.

[@faithknight400]

a star wars trilogy that is part warhammer 40k and part mass effect would gave the franchise a better future while acknowledging the legends lore the titles could be; episode 7: a new threat episode 8: total annihilation or unlikely alliance episode 9: the final victory

[@Automatik234]

That conflict would've been way more interesting than the re-hash, rhat the sequel trilogy was...

[@kingaragornii9940]

"Recycled"*

[@FreeOpenTruth]

@@kingaragornii9940 - Actually *vomited up

[@vancehill6694]

You think the empire would just disappear after the battle of endorsement cmon man you're smarter than that

[@themandalorian400]

We all know the Mando'ade were the best equipped to handle the Vong Yes they developed a bio-tech worm that could eat Beskar/Beskar'gam… but that secret died with their Mandalore attack force In the end the Vong went around Mandalore and left us alone after that defeat

[@olafgurke4699]

Oya!

[@HolyknightVader999]

Except the Mandalorians helped the Yuuzhan Vong at the start of the war. Also, the Alliance/Empire did most of the fighting while the Mandos betrayed the galaxy.

[@themandalorian400]

@@HolyknightVader999 Mandalorians only got in the vong war because they were attacked themselves, there may have been a few who were on planets that the vong conquered and as the best option was to join the vong (after all the vong did respect great warriors and would accept ones they concurred if the warrior survived the fight). Mando'ade aren't stupid and will take an offer that keeps them alive longer

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@themandalorian400 They're self-serving rascals that only fight for themselves for the highest bidder. No loyalty at all. Perhaps Lord Revan had the right idea.......

[@HolyknightVader999]

@Xander Smith If they had any honor, they wouldn't sign on with dishonorable factions in the first place. Also, they totally betrayed the Vong, so even that whole "honor because we were hired" is just bullshit.

[@Epics00]

If the Vong was to fight the Empire then everyone that hated the Empire would have used the opportunity to strike at the Empire also. That includes the Rebel Alliance, which I'm sure the Vong would support just as they did the Peace Brigade. If Empire thought the Rebels were bad in peacetime, in the middle of a major war they would be a holy terror. In fact I'd say that the Empire would have the same internal conflicts the New Republic had but to a greater extent. Moffs, Grand Admirals and other government officials would use the chaos to seize power. At the best of times that was always an issue for the Empire, but with it's attention split in so many different directions, it would embolden those who would normally keep their heads down.

[@Epics00]

@E Fig: I think Vader would be busy on the front lines, so I think he wouldn’t even have time for stuff like that.

[@marcbartuschka6372]

I do not think that Moffs and Grand Admirals would dare to rebell as long as Palps would have been in power. Remember, any Vong invasion would surely happen much later than the fall of the Empire, so Palps grip onto power would be even stronger. The Galaxy would in most cases know nothing other than his rule for 30, 40 years.

[@nobleman9393]

The power they seized would be worthless because the Vong would kill them anyway

[@OrDuneStudios]

Then rebel suppression gets spun from counter terrorism to defeating the enemy that is attempting to wipe out the galaxy. The rebels will be played up as Vong sympathisers in imperial propoganda.

[@szczypior2714]

I'm glad you're ditching the Sequels "lore". I can happily watch you again. Best channel on KZbin 😆

[@dianabarnett6886]

Seriously. I just refuse to engage in anything Disney "canon".

[@szczypior2714]

@@dianabarnett6886 yes. That was totally my problem too. I hate it that now I can't simply enjoy Star Wars anymore, just scrolling through KZbin and finding out new interesting facts about the world, cause I either come across someone hating on the Sequels (which gives me a bad mood reminding myself of their existence) or someone acknowledging them and making theories or some shit. I'm glad I regained hope that I might just be able to enjoy Star Wars again.

[@physical_insanity]

Dude, you're not the only one. I'm fine with watching the Disney focused content, but fuck if it's boring as shit and so uninspired. Legends, as wacky as it is, is just so much more enjoyable to watch about.

[@spideysg1163]

Szczypior I like some things Disney has done the anthology films and mando season 1 however whenever I hear the Star Wars sequels I feel hatred and I hate them because they’re bad and I’m sick of hearing about them I prefer the eu over the Disney sequels

[@Marioejoseph]

I'm guessing the Purrgil took Ezra and Grand Admiral Thrawn, into the unknown region of space where they would come to terms with their situation and learn about the Yuuzhan Vong, about who they are and their intentions of invading the Galaxy. I think that's where Ahsoka and Sabin come, in the upcoming Ahsoka TV series where they try to locate Ezra. After years of searching, Ahsoka uses the world Between worlds as a final ditch effort to find him, it eventually leads her into the unknown region of space where Ahsoka will find Ezra and Thrawn, may be in the Chiss home world battling the Yuuzhan Vong for years and Ezra learning battle tactics, fighting skills from Thrawn and Ezra eventually becoming close friends with Thrawn. They would gather years of knowledge on how to defeat the Yuuzhan Vong, but they would eventually loose the battle against them, may be Thrawn dying in the process in a desperate attempt to hold off the invading Vong as his people the Chiss, Ezra, Ahsoka and Sabin Escape back to Lothol through the use of the world between world's portal. They would then take their findings and the Chiss refugees to the New Republic to prepare for an Invasion. This I think would lead into the next trilogy of movies which would be the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion.

[@joebaumann3620]

I think The Grysk are going to be the major villains who are similar to the Vong in many ways and have been watching and waiting for decades. Just when Rey is training new students would be a perfect time now those Star Destroyers are gone.

[@slyllamademon2652]

The Yuuzhan Vong remind me of the locust from gears of war

[@marksmith2412]

Kyp's dozen were actually called the Dozen-and-Two Avengers. A dozen fighter pilots plus 2 Jedi, Kyp Durron and Miko Reglia.

[@grayeaglej]

The Vong almost seem to have been written as the perfect justification for the Empire and all its decisions dont they? :P

[@Catalyst375]

That is pretty much what emerged as all the Legends stories about them were written. All the effort that went into tying them into the Prequel Trilogy (which came out at the same time), and other details described in the video, what emerges are the idea that "maybe the Empire wasn't so bad", "the Empire's military build-up was justified", and "The Empire did nothing wrong". Which runs against how the original Star Wars Trilogy showed the Galactic Empire operating, and even runs against the Prequel Trilogy, which was being filmed and produced while the Yuuzhan Vong storyline was being written in the Legends books. The Galactic Empire was depicted as a tyrannical fascist government that was oppressing its citizens, particularly the non-Human citizenry, and the Death Star destroying Alderaan was the main example of this mentality in the films. The existence of the Yuuzhan Vong does not change what the Empire is, but the "perfect justification for the Empire and all its decisions", as you said, emerges from the writing and implications of it. It undermines the Original Trilogy in that sense.

[@grayeaglej]

@@Catalyst375 Yus o.o Thank you for the extra background information.

[@TarsonTalon]

@@Catalyst375 Does it though? Honestly, neither an authoritarian government nor a republic are best. I'm somewhat an anarcho-capitalist myself. I believe a true anarcho capitalist society would have responded the quickest and most efficiently to the threat, because most people would have been armed to begin with, thus you wouldn't have to worry too much about saving civilians, because they'd be fighting the Vong themselves as well. As the scale of the threat was realized, an alliance of insurance companies would hire private fleets to protect their customer's assets and engage, lol. It'd be cheaper to send fleets than it would to try to repair the damage. Another thing an anarcho-capitalist society has as an advantage, is the fact there would be no central capital for the Vong to capture.

[@CrackyTheWizard]

Crazy thing is this sounds like a way better story then the last 3 movies

[@nunya3163]

The Vong where astute manipulators. They would have played the discontent with the empire to their advantage, and would have instigated numerous uprisings against them. Their initial assault would have been much more gorilla in nature, to destabilize the Empire.

[@christophersandidge8257]

Great video. I know that the yuzhan vong (forgive my spelling. I was too lazy to look it up.) Were shoehorned into what was then, current continuity, but when I give it thought, if palpatine knew about the vong, and destroyed the jedi anyway, that makes him far more evil. He could have told the galaxy about the threat, justified his building of the empire, and sent the jedi off to be killed, and not only gotten away with it, but be praised for it. Instead, he let trillions die. Sure, things didn't quite go according to his plan, but still....

[@locoarticwolf2181]

Can’t wait to play this out in Thrawn’s Revenge

[@NotceDragon]

The emperor would have difficulties with the vong but not as difficult as the new republic. The spy caste of the vong would of inform their army of sidious and his forces changing their tactics and probably would of helped the rebel alliance from the shadows to ensure their conquest would go smoother letting their enemies kill each other before they arrive.

[@Themannis93]

they definitely were but we would have seen similar casualties because the empire would've had no qualms abandoning worlds to be destroyed by the vong but i think their fleet and super weapons wouldve been able to keep the vong from the core worlds

[@aleccampbell7707]

The non-human worlds they wouldn't care at all if they were enslaved and invaded

[@simonat7256]

At 1:36 , the building in the back is an actual building in Sofia, the capital of Bulgaria, called the National Palace of Culture. There are also many UFO-like structures build during the communist regime here (Buzludja monumentum for example)

[@MUSIC7052]

Next video: Was the empire prepared for Corona :D

[@GenerationTech]

Exterminatus

[@MouldMadeMind]

Hahaha funny🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@SPAZ2D2]

I really love reading those series of 19 books about the yuuzhan vong

[@vincentchen5318]

This literally sounds like a better storyline than any of the recent 3 movies combined - it doesn't destroy Canon, and lots of nerds were waiting for this - they should've made the last three movies about this SMH...

[@aleccampbell7707]

It explains why the galaxy was in such sad state in the ST and why we were gifted with the slowest space(car) chase in VIII

[@SH19922x]

Alan you are seriously a comedian man, i mean that.. Lol your subtle non- trying funny stuff if masterful. Love your work

[@akumaking1]

Disney could have easily adapted the Yuuzhan Vong story, with a few tweaks: No Death of Chewbacca Flesh out (heh) the motives/raison d'etat of the Vong Avoid SJW pandering

[@shadowwriter329]

Josh ......this is Disney we are talking about.

[@0hvist]

SJW: "Reasonable Storytelling that is engaging and believable for everyone is both Sexist and Racist! I'm telling my Mom on you despite the fact that my Mom says that she hates me for killing that man in her life that she kept trying to make me call 'Dad' for some reason. What even is a Dad anyways? I am actually very absolutely stupid enough to believe that the Earth has always been flat, and the entire universe revolves around me alone."

[@Crick1952]

Chewbacca's death was crucial to the arc. It solidified the darker tone of this story and gave Anakin Solo the latent guilt that made him the best Jedi to fight the Vong, begin the Jeedai freedom movement among the Shamed Ones and make his own heroic sacrifice. Plus dying by getting a moon thrown at you is a freaking metal way to go. It would have been the gut punch to a whole new generation of children

[@michaelcrawford3663]

Disney would absolutely not bring the Vong onto the big screen they are an extremely religious and violent faction not to mention scary looking. So what you get is either a possibly R rated movie or a watered down version that takes all the bite out of their bark and either option is something Disney won’t or shouldn’t do.

[@ordocash1004]

Dude, the picture at 12:46 is the national museum of culture in my city LOL, looks great that way!!!

[@jamiewalsh3349]

The Empire would've done a better job but only under non-Sith management

[@weik-2936]

Would it though?

[@jscorpio1987]

It would still need to be lead by somebody with extreme tactical skills, foresight, and no morals. You can’t win a war if you let morals get in the way of making the difficult decisions necessary for winning a war. Palpatine is the only known person in Star Wars canon that would fit that description. I’m not sure if it’s still canon or not, but in Return of the Jedi, the only reason Palpatine lost his ability to foresee the future, and therefore was unable to stop the Rebel victory and his (literal) fall at the hands of Anakin was because the spirits of Obi-Wan and Yoda clouded his connection to the force. Much like he and Plagueis clouded the Jedi Order’s vision during his rise to power. And his tactically stupid decision to announce his return to the whole galaxy in Rise of Skywalker was just the result of Disney’s lazy storytelling.

[@jscorpio1987]

Gaius Wyrden yes. The Palpatine we see in the OT and sequels is NOT the same person that he was in the prequels. That’s why I consider the prequels the best in the saga as far as story telling is concerned. They end in a realistic manner and show Palpatine as the genius he really is. The other two trilogy make him look like an idiot for the sole purpose of giving the audience a happy ending to feel good about.

[@weik-2936]

Wouldn't be the Empire without the sith

[@getfreur2458]

@@weik-2936 The Fel Empire was a empire without sith.

[@andrewbogard2411]

I was listening to this in the background while studying c++ and the people to persons metric joke completely caught me off guard lol, and now i realize that i commented on a year old video that has been auto playing lol

[@thorshammer7883]

Could the Yuuzhan Vong beat the Covenant since Covenant plasma weapons are massively weaker then Star Wars Expanded Universe turbolasers?

[@HolyknightVader999]

Yes and no. No, because current Covenant weapons were weaker due to the prophets not wanting the Elites to be more powerful, yes because once the Vong start becoming a problem, the prophets might upgrade Covvie weapons to turbolaser levels.

[@danielboyas7645]

Covenant plasma weapons are massively weaker. Citation please.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@danielboyas7645 Evidence. Let's see you mean like Thrawn vaporizing a ocean of a planet with one turbolaser blast? Or the 200 gigaton per shot statement?

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@danielboyas7645 Some notes by human AI in Halo Reach that you can recover ingame.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@thorshammer7883 200 gigatons per shot is what the old Legends and Lucas era canon has.

[@ronjon7942]

Laf, love Alan’s Jedi fuzzy robes. Comfy cozy.

[@nickagalidis1845]

1 vIew and 13 likes. This can only mean one thing, invasion!!!

[@alexanderandrew6535]

I think it coulded be awsome if vong attacked during one of the fights ,republic vs separatist,empire vs rebels or new republic vs first order,and woulded be intresting if they either did a truce out of necesity or just fall divided,even if the new trillogy wasnt a fail i still think chances where slim for this guys to apear as a new treat ,in a post credits scene or smth

[@wildkarrde3370]

You can just shorten it to "Vong" as opposed to Yuuzhan Vong. We're all gonna know what you're talking about.

[@marseldagistani1989]

the Yuuzhan Vong war was the bloodiest conflict in Galactic History. The average Imperial Inquisitor next to my space marine self: The Yuuzhan Vong are just some Worshipers of Khrone just exterminatus them and we can go home

[@zacharystewart851]

I think that the empire was only militarized to fight the woozan von

[@operatorbutt4265]

Zachary Stewart woozan von?

[@zacharystewart851]

@@operatorbutt4265 oops

[@nobleman9393]

Oh yeah! I now want to see "Woozan von Rudersdorf vs Sheev Palpatine"

[@weik-2936]

That would have been palpatine's excuse, but the militarization was mostly to ensure that no one in the galaxy could challenge him as ruler

[@nuclearjanitors]

The Woozy Vaughn

[@Killzoneguy117]

This is what the sequels should have been. It would have made everything that had happened so far, the Clone Wars, the Death Stars, the entire Empire, all finally make sense. It would show that Palpatine didn't become a Sith because he was evil. He became a Sith because he saw this threat coming and figured only the Dark Side would be powerful enough to stop the Vong. How fucking cool would it be if the Vong started invading the prosperous New Republic? Maybe not even necessarily the Vong, but some sort of incredibly powerful extragalactic invader. They could have even worked the Chosen One prophecy into it by showing why balance to the Force was so important. That only a balanced Force could truly destroy the Vong.

[@crystalurjinee6944]

The Empire would have been way more prepared and ready for the vong

[@aleccampbell7707]

Overall yes but Palpy's foresight wouldn't have been as precise

[@adamm.6595]

I'm still waiting for a decent ground battle harking back to the days of the Battle of Hoth or Endor. Rogue One's Scarif battle scenes were okay, but could have used some improvement. I had thought there was to be some in Solo, but that turned bust quickly. IMHO, Star Wars is too heavily focused on space combat. Much of the novels had more ground incursions than aerial. It's a pity, seeing how the traits of many battle scenes in WWII or modern war (Lone Survivor, Thirteen Hours) films could be adapted to fit a ground battle in the Star Wars universe. I think it would be pretty awesome.

[@Mgauge]

The Empire absolutely had the better ability to fight the Vong, but that doesn’t mean they would necessarily do more in practice. Palpatine was not the kind of ruler concerned about the subjects’ well-being. He’s a power-hungry space wizard. He would likely view the Vong invasion as an opportunity to extend his power even further and deliberately blind areas he considered unimportant or potentially threatening to him to the true threat until they were weakened enough to allow his forces to swoop in and clean up. The Vong would be the ultimate propaganda tool to further suppress any dissent to his rule since he could paint anyone questioning his actions as traitors to the galaxy at large. The Empire would almost certainly prevent more casualties than the loose assortment of weak governments that ruled in its aftermath, but the end result would be an even more far reaching fascist state. It’s up to you to decide if that is a fair trade.

[@TheRezro]

Exactly! Palpatine tactic did make sense in context of Vong invasion but Empire apologist forget that he was still crazy maniac with incompetent tactic.

[@weik-2936]

Also how many people and species would suffer or die under Palpatine's intended immortal reign? Is that really a preferable trade-off to 4 years of war?

[@TheRezro]

@@weik-2936 Exactly. Also Republic actually did have possibility of total mobilization. Just senators avoided it like fire, pushing responsibility on the Jedi, during Clone Wars. But we can't say that they wouldn't do that during Vong invasion.

[@weik-2936]

@@TheRezro the Galaxy probably would have stood a better chance if it had a full-strength Jedi Order around, when the vong war happened the new jedi order was only a few hundred

[@OK-yy6qz]

Finally someone with some common Sence even though if we're being Fair Empires Fashism Vs New Republics Corruption and incompetence really comes down to matter of Choice

[@dr.veronica6155]

The Empire would have no qualms about using their superweapons as much as possible. They'd have the Death Star 2, the Sun Crusher, the Galaxy Gun, the Eye of Palpatine, basically everything. They could probably created the Alpha Red virus that the Galactic Alliance made, but unlike them, the Empire wouldn't refuse to use it out of ethical concerns. And the Death Star being able to one-shot worldships would have been game-changing. They also wouldn't mind using it to destroy worlds that the Vong had taken and were Vong-forming, at least not the sparsely-populated, alien-dominated worlds of the Outer Rim. I'd definitely give the win to the Empire.

[@ronjon7942]

Chuckle, until the Empire would be soiling their shorts when the Vong ‘black hole shields’ absorbed the DS and Starkiller shots and piped them into the singularities. Bio weapons and chemical warfare would seem appropriate, though. And with 365 trillion dead, they’d have no trouble taking out planets with a Starkiller or a DS2, no matter how many non-Vong were still on the conquered planets…it’s not like the Vong would let them live anyway.

[@deadaccount5238]

Is it just me or legend is actually do better than the idea that are used in the sequel trilogy?

[@aleccampbell7707]

The Legends are all true after all - Han Solo

[@justluke8730]

classic star wars logic... make a huge corridor through the galaxy, instead of attacking from above/below and minimize the length of the corridor